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@ILikePie5
@AustinL0926
To be honest, I’m leaning toward Pie to be the last because I don’t like a lot of the things you’ve been doing in my retrospective analysis, Austin.
I’m not 100% committed to that read yet, but one of you two is town. When I am done thinking through all this, I will pick the townier one between the two of you.
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@AustinL0926
Not sure. I’ll let one of you two be the decider.
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Finished DP1, Pie said one small thing I didn’t like at the end but everything else about him looks townie-ish… at the very least, I have better explanations for his behavior from a town pov than I do for Austin and Whiteflame
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@ILikePie5
*Yes, a TP that joint wins would've outted themselves earlier, but a TP in general doesn't have to out themselves rn
EBWOP
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@ILikePie5
I don't know or care about your mech theories. The whole point of speculating about a TP was to bait one into outting themselves. Yes, a TP that joint wins doesn't have to out themselves rn. But that's the thing: One that doesn't can out themselves and try to claim they do joint win. If I can expose them as someone who doesn't joint win for the exact reasoning you described, mafia will have to NK them, which ensures no TP bs.
At this point I'm down to say there isn't one because I did forget how Wylted was talking all about how the game could be over. I thought for a second you could be the such a third party with your claim. The possibility remains, but 1. Alternative explanation for that statement from Cerulean 2. If there's any third party at all, I've concluded we're screwed anyway. 3. Part of the reason I said fuck mech analysis is because I felt I was a part of the problem as well when it comes to reading too hard into mechanics. I'm not doing it anymore.
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Midway through DP1. So far, Whiteflame and Austin are rubbing me the wrong way in the retrospective analysis.
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If you guys want me to explain how my conclusions can even be possible, I will theorize mechanics AFTER I look at behavior.
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You know what? Fuck mechanics; fuck mechanical analysis.This game has some fuckery, and it can be in endless ways. Behavior comes first.
I’m rereading the previous DPs again. I am not going to give people free passes because of mechanics, nor am I going to incriminate them based on mechanics. Not anymore.
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So I notice Greyparrot didn’t say anything DP2, nor was he tagged by Cerulean.
A tailor may be back on the table. I was suspicious of Greyparrot’s claim in DP1, it looking back, that doesn’t have to come from scummy motives.
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@ILikePie5
My only read point for a scum case on Austin is how quickly he switched from “I have questions for Mharman tomorrow” to “yeah I think Mharmans results were messed with.”
Feels like buddying. I can see some synergy between him and Lunatic if Lunatic is scum. Mostly because he claimed he strengthened Lunatic. However, I see he’s with Whiteflame on a lot things being said, so that there’s a a lesser but existent claim there.
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@Lunatic
Assuming Whiteflame is scum, who is the most likely teammate?
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@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@AustinL0926
Here's a thought:
I notice how last DP, Cerulean went out of his way to say, "The game is not over."
How could the game be over after 2 mislynches in a 7v2?
Unless, it isn't a 7v2. I can imagine a third party survivor asking Cerulean if the game is over (assuming they aren't killed in the night), and Cerulean answering it there.
A 6v2v1 setup would be pretty bastard, but given the fuckery that undoubtedly exists in the setup, I can imagine it being here because Cerulean clearly doesn't know what he's doing here... I think he hasn't quite grasped the rolemad game style yet, from a design standpoint.
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@ILikePie5
I’ll get back to you on scum teams after more thought on Whiteflame and Lunatic.
As for you, not sure. You’ve said one thing that seems pretty genuine. I pointed it out because it feels like a moment of honesty at a time while scum is more likely to be focused on their agenda.
Other than that, not much. I’m not the biggest fan of your claim, but I can tell this is a weird setup, so anything’s possible I guess. This feels counterintuitive but I want to give you points for scumreading Greyparrot, Wylted, and Earth. Yeah you could be piggybacking of my logic on Grey and Wylted, and finding an easy ish frame on Earth, but I get the sense all three of them put themselves in position to be scumread. I’m definitely biased but it’s hard for me to blame you on that.
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Last thing I’m gonna say: I was thinking about finding a probable teammate for both Whiteflame and Lunatic between Austin and Pie, which could act as a safe lynch if picking between Lunatic and Whiteflame gets too difficult.
The problem is I don’t know how I’m figuring that out.
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@Lunatic
I suppose “I am the truth from which you run” could be investigative. I guess if it is one, it would be a tracker.
I gotta ask: Why not choose “I give you all you need to know?”
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Which fells like a hit of duh but so little is what it seems here
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Honestly, I’m just gonna go ahead and say that Whiteflame-Lunatic and Pie-Austin are off the table.
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Personally, the only scum team combo I can’t see at all is Austin-Pie.
I can see a small way there’s a Whiteflame-Lunatic team but it’s very unlikely and scum hardbussing in MYLO when there’s so much confusion would be a very questionable strategy
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@whiteflame
If Lunatic is scum, who would his teammate be?
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@ILikePie5
So, earlier you remarked Lunatic’s investigation and results on you were interesting. What is interesting about them and what do you think it implies?
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@ILikePie5
Btw, you saying you don’t know what to believe is something i can resonate with.
Straight facts.
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I wouldn’t say the dichotomy is set in stone, but it’s definitely looking like there’s one scum between Lunatic and Whiteflame.
It’s a little tough to decide because I’m now wondering if I gave Whiteflame too quick of a pass.
Here’s a thought: Scum doesn’t have to be immediately looking for my lynch at the start of this DP.
My first thoughts when I got on for this were that a Lunatic-Austin/Pie team was planning to lynch me but switched up the second Whiteflame seemed unwilling to lynch me. But, Lunatic expressed last DP that he wanted to think more about how results could’ve been messed with. What this means is that, assuming he is town, the scum team may not commit as hard into pushing for my lynch come this DP.
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“I give you all you need to know” seems to be the only one that sounds good.
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Killed Night 1:A lifetime of fucking things up fixedin one determined flashCaseyYou are The Downward Spiral! https://open.spotify.com/album/7a7arAXDE0BiaMgHLhdjGF?si=gS9WxzqhTGqsd6BAuM7ypQThis 1994 album, released by the Nine Inch Nails, reflects, well, a downward spiral. The mentality of the "main character" of the album gets worse and worse throughout, eventually ending in his suicide. He suffers from increasingly harmful delusions. As a result, you are the Town Nightmarish God.Your goal is to eliminate all Mafia-aligned players and any other players who wish to see the Town lose.You have the following abilities:Delusions (Compulsive, 6-shot): You must choose one of the following actions and a target each Night. Each action may only be used once, and you will be informed what each action did afterward.- I am the hate you try to hide- I am the silencing machine- I am the lover in your bed- I give you all you need to know- I am the truth from which you run- I am denial, guilt and fear
So I’m looking at Casey’s role a bit more. I kinda overlooked this, but the role being compulsive definitely makes this negative utility imo. In fact, all six of these could be bad for town. The lover and silencer are pretty obvious, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the other four were likewise given that they’re all compulsive and Casey doesn’t know. Could be a pick your poison for Casey.
it is possible that some of these roles actually help town. Regardless, I wonder if any of her roles had something to do with my results on Wytled
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@whiteflame
The rest of your claim checks out I suppose
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@whiteflame
I made the decision to claim a different role after Earth’s flip revealed his role to see if anyone else would claim Tracker
Feels quite convenient
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@ILikePie5
Alright I’m here. Good lord, women 🙄.
Lollll.
Good on you for putting your phone down for the girl’s bday tho.
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So here’s my take: I think scum’s strategy was to push for my lynch this DP, but they’ve switched and now want to buddy.
The question is if Whiteflame was the cause for their switch, or a preemptive call Whiteflame decided to make in the moment. Ultimately, given what Pie said at the very start, I get the sense he’d be giving the green light to go for me, so why wouldn’t Whiteflame be taking it? I feel like he’d at least do more to keep his options open, no? He seems pretty set on the idea that I am town.
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@Lunatic
Ok. My tired ass will read this tomorrow and figure it out.
I think this is definitely a sign I need to call it quits for the night. Like actually for real this time.
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@Lunatic
Hm, we’re using two different wikis here but they say the same thing, MS just words it differently than MU. It would mean seeing my role, despite being passive, as an action that can be bus driven despite that I have no targets that could get target swapped.
I guess I passively target myself , so maybe people who target me become targets?
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@Lunatic
Ok so I checked the wiki and I don’t think that’s how bus driver works. I guess it’s possible that Cerulean has a weird interaction idea tho
I say this because I had a thought:
If miller moves with the scum team, I could explain why Wylted showed on my results. It would implicate Austin heavily.
One thing I don’t like about Austin is how he felt the need to explain the non-consecutive in his role claim
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Faking a visit falls into the same pitfalls of assumptions that Lunatic’s bus driver theory does
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None of Austin’s descriptions of anticlaim show a way I could have been interfered with. If there’s a way Austin wouldn’t have accounted for, such as faking a visit, that would explain things. I don’t get a bus drive or redirect tho.
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Ok I reread Austin’s DP1 post about anticlaim. If anti claim interfered with my results it would indicate that scum punished Wylted’s claim by putting him on my radar somehow
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Lunatic not knowing anything about anticlaim is crazy.
Townslip? Unless there’s no anticlaim in the game at all.
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@Lunatic
Kinda glad I can’t resist checking in multiple times before going to bed.
Anticlaim is that thing Austin talked about early DP1 and there’s a good chance it’s in this game… I still don’t fully understand what could or couldn’t be given to scum team through anticlaim.
As for why this matters, yeah, I forgot about your pov for a sec
Anticlaim is that thing Austin talked about early DP1 and there’s a good chance it’s in this game… I still don’t fully understand what could or couldn’t be given to scum team through anticlaim.
As for why this matters, yeah, I forgot about your pov for a sec
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Last thought: my role is pretty weak for an investigative role. I can see it being paired with a stronger one like Whiteflame.
Thing is, I don’t know if that excludes Casey’s role from being in the setup, nor do I think Casey + me excludes whiteflame.
Casey’s is strong because of the info it delivers but also weak because she didn’t know what it was and has low odds of choosing it on any given night.
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