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@whiteflame
While I’m at it, justification? You gave your lyric already (I think) but I wanna hear more just to be safe.
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@AustinL0926
Character, lyric/ability name, and justification?
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@whiteflame
My logic here is that I might just be one of the easiest mislynches possible for a scum team at this point.
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@whiteflame
Fair enough. I would think you’d jump on me harder if you’re scum.
Can’t grant anyone else that luxury now that I’ve said it tho.
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@whiteflame
it's just odd that they would somehow be able to manipulate how you see people who visit you. I haven't seen that role used before, but it's certainly not impossible.
I guess the last possibility is that Cerulean goes about miller in an extremely retarded way
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@whiteflame
I wish you had given the info about who visited you before Austin stated that he had, since that would have at least confirmed that you knew it without prior validation,
I should have; you’re right.
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@whiteflame
So Pie copped innocent, according to you. Got it.
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@whiteflame
Lunatic was last online 6 hours ago.
Austin 1 hour ago.
Whiteflame, you’re on now.
I can see why a townie (or even someone spectating the game) would like Pie’s post. However, I would love it if that townie, if that’s who it was, said something.
Anything to say? I can answer your questions. Or at least, I can try.
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If you really agree with Pie that much, one would think you’d show up immediately to question me
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@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
So, does whoever liked Post #3 want to show themselves?
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@ILikePie5
I can explain myself no further. If we lose this here (we probably will) you can expect a rant from me about the setup in the endgame thread.
I get the sense this is hella scumsided
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Hell, if Wylted SOP claimed I would have townread him behaviorally and would’ve been more open to ideas that my results were invalid.
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considering I’m 0/3 on my reads on GP, Wylted and Earth… my town reads are reset.
I guess Lunatic gets a little cred for talking some about how my reads could’ve been altered. We’ll see what he says here tho
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@WyIted
This is why Miller is SOP btw. I would not have even begun sussing you DP1 if you SOP claimed that shit
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Clearly I was wrong in basically all my reads. So I’m gonna have to reevaluate. I was very confident in a Wylted-Earth team by the end of that last DP
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@ILikePie5
I do not know how Wylted showed up on my results.
My only guess now is either something to do with anticlaim, or Casey. I don’t know what that could be
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Is still have no idea how Wylted showed up on my
I’m glad Austin didn’t answer my question. It was selfish of me to ask that, I was trying too hard to solve this game.
I was asking because I wondered if by some chance, that Austin had an ability that could redirect a night kill away from me, and that Wylted’s miller somehow made him follow scum’s visits.
So, if a Ninja visited me and Austin somehow deflected the night kill away from me, it would show Wylted following the Ninja’s path and showing up on my results.
That was my theory. Anyway, my theory about that one particular plan the scum team could do to keep me alive and save me for a mislynch revolved around Earth and Wylted using a tailor of some kind on Wylted to mislynch me today.
I’m guessing there’s no tailor because I asked Cerulean “What the hell is this setup?” and he said it’s apparently one that’s not going to well for town.
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@Shila
Nor will I bother with you either
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@FLRW
Probably an out of context quote, and I’m not gonna bother with you
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@FLRW
Never miss a beat on the Orangemanbad huh.
TDS NPCs will make anything about him if it’s negative.
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Honestly I wouldn't be shocked if Earth designed or approved that fake claim of Wylted's and they are going for the particular play I'm thinking of.
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All in all, I tried to ensure my results were accurate before revealing my hand. There's still a way they could be wrong and your miller really does somehow mess up my results, but it requires a few things to fall into place and I'm going with what's more likely.
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@WyIted
Nobodybwas bus driven. Either me or you are scum. I was already today's lynch and they would need to know you role for bus driving Mr to make sense
I don't like this dichotomy from you. I see one way this can be wrong. It's not likely, but I do think you would spend more time on mechanics than going after me if you were town.
I can also see a way in which you are scum, but you and your teammate have a plan.
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I accidentally posted that before I typed it. I don't know how, but some it posted when I hit enter. I'm no computer guy so don't @ me about it.
Anyway, as I was saying:
I may or may not be dead by next DP morning. We'll see, it depends on what play the scum team wants to make. I will take this time to go in-depth on my thoughts on Earth, Pie, and Lunatic. (After more thought as I'm typing this out, I'm reordering Earth ahead of Lunatic. Actually, I'm gonna put Lunatic below Pie after even more thought. Could go either way between those two for second, behind Earth.) I'm giving you these thoughts now so you have them.
Earth: Has done nothing all game but hide in the shadows. That pings my radar.
For Earth to be Wylted's teammate, he needed to play a role in Wylted's claim, which means he must've felt Wylted needed to claim and didn't talk Wylted out of claiming miller. That's weird, but Earth isn't the best at fake claiming in my opinion. His strength as scum lies in hiding well... his "love of coffee" secondary justification for Godot in Ace Attorney Mafia was pretty bad imo. I can see a world where Earth and Wylted ended the DP early... it relies on them making a play that will keep me alive. I will explain what I'm talking about DP3, if I am alive by then.
For Earth to be town, what I've said just needs to be false. Wylted could have self hammered to end all discussions, seeing that he was cooked. It means Earth would have looked for someone else to press and would've stated a townread on Wylted as scum. To be honest, I'm not sure. Wylted refusing to claim will still look scummy to me, and Earth's defense out of nowhere would have as well.
Pie: For Pie to be Wylted's teammate, he would have to be bussing Wylted ever since I pressed for a claim, or close to the end of DP1 when the writing was on the walls for Wylted at some point (it depends on what you see as a bus). I can see him being opportunistic last DP as well, and I can see him trying to redirect the wagon toward Earth while acknowledging Wylted behavior, while not adding a vote.
But that's where it ends. Pie is better at fake claims than Earth, and him telling Wylted to claim would mean he gave the claim to Wylted on some oversight or overthought (or he lazily approved Wylted's claim) and hard committed to bussing Wylted when no one believes him claim. But then he would've made the mistake of
directing me back to Wylted when I was waffling on him late DP1, so that doesn't really track. I think this is all a big what-if that doesn't align with reality and requires a lot of bullshit to be true. I know Pie is very capable, but this doesn't seem like a good play if he's scum.
Also, he doesn't have to read Wylted as scum in his final reads considering Greyparrot was about to be lynched anyway and there was still time to hard commit to directing town away from Wylted.
The big thing that tells me Pie is town is that he considered my point on Earth this DP. I'm thinking it may no longer be correct, but the fact that he did so when he could have kept his options open rather than going for Lunatic in my PoE tells me considering option and he's town. I also liked how he showed up to give his thoughts last DP, unlike Earth. I asl think he's putting more effort in than last game, despite his illness.
Lunatic: I felt Lunatic had the strongest case because I didn't really see a town case for him. I didn't like his response to Wylted and I last DP (I also felt it could have been scripted between he and Wylted). I also didn't like how this DP, I felt he was pulling the wagon away from Wylted (he said Wylted would appeal to mechanics as scum, but there he is, doing it).
However, this case feels completely unfair to Lunatic and I disavow it. For starters, I can see him being a little irritated with Wylted and I last DP if he felt we weren't considering his situation enough. Also, the reason for his theory about whether scum would appeal to mechanics or challenge isn't self-incriminating- it's the opposite. It's probably because it is the townie thing to do and Lunaitc sees it from his own townie POV. He's concluding that Wylted would try to blend in more as scum.
And finally, lack of a town case is easily explained by his inactivity. I do have a town case on him now though, and it's the simpler explanation for everything he's done so far.
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regardless, the reason I concluded I wasn't bus driven was because Austin visited me
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@WyIted
I obv have no way of verifying that, but that still helps my case because it's one less way my results could have been interfered with
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honestly Earth is back on the table
I can see a coordinated bus where Earth and Wylted decided to end the DP early...
I'll order it Lunatic, Earth, and Pie for contention on the teammate.
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@AustinL0926
@WyIted
Why would mharman start by asking who visited Casey? My theory is that he was planning to claim watcher or something but changed his mind and then started to shift and who visited him.
the reason I asked people who visited Casey and I was to control for factors that may have affected my results, such as a redirect or bus driver.
credit for hammering yourself I guess, but I think you turning on me was desperation... Lunatic says you would lean more into mechanics to say my results were bad rather than challenge me as scum, but I disagree.
on the mechanical note, I do have one final question for Austin: Do you have a role that can redirect actions, potentially a kill attempt?
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I’m willing to give plenty of time for discussion this DP.
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Obviously. Just clarifying the vote remains on Wylted for his death, not for info, if it wasn’t obvious enough.
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I am an insomniac/alert townie. I receive passive results on which PLAYERS visited me each night. The ability matches that of an alert townie, but Cerulean called it an insomniac. They're pretty similar so I asked Cerulean if they made a mod error before the game started.
I hinted at this here, where during my confusion about Greyparrot, I said:
"I kinda felt I was the reason for what Cerulean claimed in the OP, but maybe I’m not the only one."
... referring to this from Cerulean:
"There may be roles present in the game with names that do not match what they typically are. These might have been changed for flavor or because I'm simply used to a different name."
My album is Clouds- The Mixtape by NF. I hinted at this here, where I said:
"I picked my album cause I’ve been bumping his songs recently. He might be surprise to some of you"
The reason NF would be a surprise to some of you is because he's not J. Cole or Eminem- two artists whose lyrics I copypasted in Ace Attorney Mafia (DP2) and Paper Mario Mafia (DP1), respectively.
The justification is that NF's album features a lot of introspection. My given lyric/ability name was "Stick to my guns, I don't even flinch." I'm guessing it has something to do with not flinching making me insomniac, as Cerulean calls it.
The lyric is from this song if you want to listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fibYknUCIU4&ab_channel=NFVEVO
My results? Last night I was targeted by Austin and Wylted. This means Austin is telling the truth and Wylted is implicated in a lie.
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@AustinL0926
I visited you last night
Well, that means there was no Bus Driver involved that swapped me and Casey. And I'm not in any neighborhood with Wylted, so his "neighborizer" ability clearly wasn't redirected.
Yes, I did have a mechanical reason. Typing up my full claim now.
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@ILikePie5
True, but it could distance/distraction play. The way he just randomly came out of the woods and was like Wylted should claim set off a million alarm bells. He also has zero interactions with Wylted. They’re legitimately avoiding each other.
Nah. Earth has no reason for such a misdirect. If they have no claim ready, it's a dumb risk. Clearly they didn't. Miller looked best in the moment to Wylted because he didn't have time to find something better- all he knew was that he was unlikely to get CC'd since no one SOP claimed it. That's why he chose it.
No mafia team is putting Miller in their potential fake claims if they've spent time thinking about it. And since Wylted clearly didn't spend the time, I do not believe any teammate would have prompted Wylted to claim.
Didn’t you have issues with WF at the end of the last DP? Do you still feel that? Or what changed?
Small issues. I think he has a greater case for being town.
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@AustinL0926
Did any of you visit me last night? Be truthful.
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@ILikePie5
I think Wylted's claim is bad. Especially yesterday.
Earth asked Wylted to claim last DP. I imagine they'd have a better claim ready if that was scripted; furthermore, Earth wouldn't have needed to pressure Wylted for a claim at all if their teammates.
I think Austin and Whiteflame, to a lesser extent, are town. That leaves you and Lunatic.
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
@AustinL0926
Did any of you visit Casey last night?
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