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Last thing I’m gonna say: I was thinking about finding a probable teammate for both Whiteflame and Lunatic between Austin and Pie, which could act as a safe lynch if picking between Lunatic and Whiteflame gets too difficult.
The problem is I don’t know how I’m figuring that out.
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@Lunatic
I suppose “I am the truth from which you run” could be investigative. I guess if it is one, it would be a tracker.
I gotta ask: Why not choose “I give you all you need to know?”
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Which fells like a hit of duh but so little is what it seems here
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Honestly, I’m just gonna go ahead and say that Whiteflame-Lunatic and Pie-Austin are off the table.
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Personally, the only scum team combo I can’t see at all is Austin-Pie.
I can see a small way there’s a Whiteflame-Lunatic team but it’s very unlikely and scum hardbussing in MYLO when there’s so much confusion would be a very questionable strategy
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@whiteflame
If Lunatic is scum, who would his teammate be?
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@ILikePie5
So, earlier you remarked Lunatic’s investigation and results on you were interesting. What is interesting about them and what do you think it implies?
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@ILikePie5
Btw, you saying you don’t know what to believe is something i can resonate with.
Straight facts.
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I wouldn’t say the dichotomy is set in stone, but it’s definitely looking like there’s one scum between Lunatic and Whiteflame.
It’s a little tough to decide because I’m now wondering if I gave Whiteflame too quick of a pass.
Here’s a thought: Scum doesn’t have to be immediately looking for my lynch at the start of this DP.
My first thoughts when I got on for this were that a Lunatic-Austin/Pie team was planning to lynch me but switched up the second Whiteflame seemed unwilling to lynch me. But, Lunatic expressed last DP that he wanted to think more about how results could’ve been messed with. What this means is that, assuming he is town, the scum team may not commit as hard into pushing for my lynch come this DP.
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“I give you all you need to know” seems to be the only one that sounds good.
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Killed Night 1:A lifetime of fucking things up fixedin one determined flashCaseyYou are The Downward Spiral! https://open.spotify.com/album/7a7arAXDE0BiaMgHLhdjGF?si=gS9WxzqhTGqsd6BAuM7ypQThis 1994 album, released by the Nine Inch Nails, reflects, well, a downward spiral. The mentality of the "main character" of the album gets worse and worse throughout, eventually ending in his suicide. He suffers from increasingly harmful delusions. As a result, you are the Town Nightmarish God.Your goal is to eliminate all Mafia-aligned players and any other players who wish to see the Town lose.You have the following abilities:Delusions (Compulsive, 6-shot): You must choose one of the following actions and a target each Night. Each action may only be used once, and you will be informed what each action did afterward.- I am the hate you try to hide- I am the silencing machine- I am the lover in your bed- I give you all you need to know- I am the truth from which you run- I am denial, guilt and fear
So I’m looking at Casey’s role a bit more. I kinda overlooked this, but the role being compulsive definitely makes this negative utility imo. In fact, all six of these could be bad for town. The lover and silencer are pretty obvious, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the other four were likewise given that they’re all compulsive and Casey doesn’t know. Could be a pick your poison for Casey.
it is possible that some of these roles actually help town. Regardless, I wonder if any of her roles had something to do with my results on Wytled
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@whiteflame
The rest of your claim checks out I suppose
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@whiteflame
I made the decision to claim a different role after Earth’s flip revealed his role to see if anyone else would claim Tracker
Feels quite convenient
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@ILikePie5
Alright I’m here. Good lord, women 🙄.
Lollll.
Good on you for putting your phone down for the girl’s bday tho.
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So here’s my take: I think scum’s strategy was to push for my lynch this DP, but they’ve switched and now want to buddy.
The question is if Whiteflame was the cause for their switch, or a preemptive call Whiteflame decided to make in the moment. Ultimately, given what Pie said at the very start, I get the sense he’d be giving the green light to go for me, so why wouldn’t Whiteflame be taking it? I feel like he’d at least do more to keep his options open, no? He seems pretty set on the idea that I am town.
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@Lunatic
Ok. My tired ass will read this tomorrow and figure it out.
I think this is definitely a sign I need to call it quits for the night. Like actually for real this time.
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@Lunatic
Hm, we’re using two different wikis here but they say the same thing, MS just words it differently than MU. It would mean seeing my role, despite being passive, as an action that can be bus driven despite that I have no targets that could get target swapped.
I guess I passively target myself , so maybe people who target me become targets?
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@Lunatic
Ok so I checked the wiki and I don’t think that’s how bus driver works. I guess it’s possible that Cerulean has a weird interaction idea tho
I say this because I had a thought:
If miller moves with the scum team, I could explain why Wylted showed on my results. It would implicate Austin heavily.
One thing I don’t like about Austin is how he felt the need to explain the non-consecutive in his role claim
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Faking a visit falls into the same pitfalls of assumptions that Lunatic’s bus driver theory does
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None of Austin’s descriptions of anticlaim show a way I could have been interfered with. If there’s a way Austin wouldn’t have accounted for, such as faking a visit, that would explain things. I don’t get a bus drive or redirect tho.
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Ok I reread Austin’s DP1 post about anticlaim. If anti claim interfered with my results it would indicate that scum punished Wylted’s claim by putting him on my radar somehow
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Lunatic not knowing anything about anticlaim is crazy.
Townslip? Unless there’s no anticlaim in the game at all.
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@Lunatic
Kinda glad I can’t resist checking in multiple times before going to bed.
Anticlaim is that thing Austin talked about early DP1 and there’s a good chance it’s in this game… I still don’t fully understand what could or couldn’t be given to scum team through anticlaim.
As for why this matters, yeah, I forgot about your pov for a sec
Anticlaim is that thing Austin talked about early DP1 and there’s a good chance it’s in this game… I still don’t fully understand what could or couldn’t be given to scum team through anticlaim.
As for why this matters, yeah, I forgot about your pov for a sec
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Last thought: my role is pretty weak for an investigative role. I can see it being paired with a stronger one like Whiteflame.
Thing is, I don’t know if that excludes Casey’s role from being in the setup, nor do I think Casey + me excludes whiteflame.
Casey’s is strong because of the info it delivers but also weak because she didn’t know what it was and has low odds of choosing it on any given night.
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I guess I can’t expect people to be 100% sure I’m telling the truth. Ok I get it now
I still think my results were more likely a result of anticlaim than some bus driver. We’ll see when I go check the wiki
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Wait, does it even matter how my results were screwed up?
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Fuck it I’m tired. I’ll do that in the morning
Saving my reread for tomorrow as well since I don’t have to go anywhere tomorrow
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I need to go look at the MU wiki again to see if I can figure how exactly all these damn roles work…
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@Lunatic
I just noticed I didn’t finish that last post.
Like I get what you’re saying: what happened to scum, displayed as happening to Wylted, including being seen by me.
But I’m not sure if it works that way with a passive role. I didn’t actively target Wylted. So Wylted being swapped with scum may not mean much. I also don’t know how their results are given… for example, your theory requires me to believe they immediately knew what I was. That requires them to have fast results on a day role cop, or a night role cop that they get results from before the have to lock in other night actions of theirs. Or they made an incredible read… which, I don’t know how.
What’s stopping my results from being screwed on some anticlaim bullshit, instead of your theory?
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@Lunatic
That’s a new take on bus driver theory. Interesting. I’m not sure if that works?
Like I get what you’re saying: What would have happened to scum, happened to Wylted.
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@AustinL0926
Ok. I guess that explains why you believe there is some fuckery going on with roles.
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@AustinL0926
What do you mean when you say “a more powerful version of strengthener?”
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@AustinL0926
Given that Mharman claimed his ability is passive, I don't think it would have been affected. It also might imply the existence of a JOAT/redirector/roleblocker in the game.
Ooooh that’s a good point
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@whiteflame
Austin being implicated would require a mistake on his part where he still claimed strengthener after changing up his plan tho
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Hm. That would be done to implicate me in the same posts Austin said he still thinks I’m town.
So the only possible way Austin could be implicated here is if he had that claim ready to go to accuse me but switched up his thoughts on me the second he saw Whiteflame said he townread me behaviorally and would sooner believe there was some interference.
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@whiteflame
Wait. Last DP Wylted was saying my results could not have been interfered with, therefore I am scum. Strengthener would play off that as a fake claim.
You’re onto something here, although some anticlaim ability may bypass strengthener. I know retarded miller handling would.
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@whiteflame
I need to look up how strengthener works… I thought it only prevented roleblocks and redirects…
So, that means whatever Casey’s role did is (probably?) off the table for an explanation.
It’s either some anticlaim thing or Cerulean handles miller in an extremely retarded way
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I will be rereading all of DP1 and 2 when I get back home
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@ILikePie5
You were online. Your turn to full claim.
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