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I’d like to go this route unless Pie v Austin turns into something more than it is right now.
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@WyIted
Greyparrot’s behavior is still a bit off for me, but I want to at least look at someone else first.
I’m not super confident on my townread on Whiteflame, so I could honor what Greyparrot wants; a trade, if you will- there are a few small things about him that bother me. But there are a few counterpoints. One thing of note is that he started this pressure on Greyparrot. I get the sense that scum is hiding under the inactivity this game… they just have to low post and wait for something to happen.
With that being said, I think Wylted has been doing more blending in than any genuine scumhunting. His only given read is some townread on Austin and him fluffing more than usual is a scumtell that I almost correctly scumread him for in Villainous Villains. I didn’t pursue it then, but given he was scum in that game, I want to pursue it now. I also think the vote on Lunatic is a bit opportunistic- if he has the time to post that, why can’t he be bothered to say something else, at least something small? It looks like a “hey, I’m doing something!” post.
VTL Wylted for a claim
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5 hours left.
I’m not a fan of lynching an inactive Lunatic.
Lynching inactives is a necessary evil at times, but he seems adamant that he doesn’t have the time to do anything but read a little from time to time, and will have more time DP2.
Inactive lynches are suboptimal for information too.
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@whiteflame
My justification doesn’t focus on the lyrics of one of the songs on my album, but on the band and what went into the album as a whole.
Mine talks about the album as a whole as well. It’s why I ended up pressing him for a bit more
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@Greyparrot
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@AustinL0926
You will receive a role based on your album- it might be related to the history, the meaning, the literal words, or other aspects of the album. No players will be Vanilla.
Found this in the sign ups thread. Its relevant to two different conversations
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@Greyparrot
I picked my album cause I’ve been bumping his songs recently. He might be surprise to some of you
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@Greyparrot
What number album released by the Doobie brothers (8th), notable songs, and then he talked about the titular song.
Okay.
Fun fact, I learned how to play what a fool believes on the piano a month ago.
Neat. Don’t see why that’s relevant though.
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@Greyparrot
What information about the album did he give in the condensed wiki?
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@Greyparrot
Ok, but did Cerulean not say anything else about the album?
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@Greyparrot
@whiteflame
I guess the lyrics are just the name of the ability.
Outside of the lyrics, how did the Cerulean describe the Minute by Minute album?
Please answer.
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@Greyparrot
I’ll think about pushing for Whiteflame. Not settled yet.
I have a current townread on but admittedly I’m not super confident. I can see a world where it’s he and Casey.
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@Greyparrot
@whiteflame
I think the lyrics are the justification?
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@Greyparrot
Justification seems to track. Thank you
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@whiteflame
I don’t think Greyparrot is trolling. He’s always been a gut reader. To me the issue is that he didn’t give a character or justification for his claim, even after I asked.
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Alternative scum teams outside of Greyparrot-Wylted could be
Greyparrot-Austin
Greyparrot-Pie
Austin-Wylted
Casey-Whiteflame
These would require me to be wrong on someone though. Also, the inactives are still floating around.
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@Greyparrot
Ok that was not brief at all. Took me a while to type as well
Unvote VTL Greyparrot
I want to know your character and justification.
I’ll get back on Lunatic later.
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Ok I’m tired as hell now. Spent too much time thinking. I’ll be brief. Was gonna withhold some details to test how people react but they’re gonna react regardless ig. Prolly don’t have time for these kinda experiments anyway.
Greyparrot- The early claim is normal for him. I think it’s weird he tagged Pie in particular (still want to know what strategy of GP’s you’re talking about here, Pie). I don’t like how he never gave a real answer on why he suspects Whiteflame, but the bigger problem is he never told me his character and justification. If you’re going to out your role at the start, why not give the character and justification? It would only help town decide if your claim seems legit or not. I don’t completely agree with Austin’s point that Tree Stump is a dumb fake claim for scum, nor do I think this game has to be role madness. We don’t know what scum has either. If Greyparrot is a Goon or Ninja, for example, claiming Tree Stump is no issue for him, since he would show no signs of activity.
On the flip side, I think mafia would want to avoid role claims like the plague (town as well tho tbh- so the game isn’t that much different from normal ones in this regard). The problem with using this argument to clear Greyparrot is that his meta is to claim, and even scum Greyparrot would know that.
Scum.
Pie- It should be noted that Greyparrot tagging Pie doesn’t outright incriminate Pie. If Greyparrot is scum and tagging someone, the misdirect is possible. I say this because I don’t see anything from Pie that really bothers me.
Null.
Austin - I really feel like he’s not considering the possibility of Greyparrot being scum enough here. For reasons I said earlier, he’s not really in the clear. His earlier FoS on Pie made a tiny amount of sense to me initially, but it’s not that easy to read… the whole game is inactive. He also said he expected Pie to engage with Greyparrot claim implied Pie didn’t… but Pie did?
His FoS may not be as much of an FoS though come to think of it. He did say in later post he wanted to see what happen.
That’s where my problems end. I don’t think Austin needs to tell us about anticlaim if he’s scum. Sure, he could be using it for towncred, but I disagree with Pie when he says he would townread anyone else for it. I would scumread anyone else- Austin is the only other person here who plays on MU I think. It wouldn’t be too hard for him to guess what in the game. I like his questioning of Wylted too. I like the random vote on Whiteflame, it makes his vote on Pie look better. He also misunderstood something Casey was saying, so I can see a similar screw up with Pie; Austin clearly wasn’t reading the DP all that well… we’ve all been there.
Slight town.
Whiteflame - So earlier I was gonna say that hated how he complained so much about not much happening and didn’t even vote someone for activity. It’s become at least a little outdated since he posted reads, which I do like. I think scum would love for this DP to end in an inactive no-lynch, so sitting back and doing nothing is kinda scummy. I give Whiteflame town points for his reads, and for pressing Greyparrot.
The early DP interaction with Casey looks like it could be scripted though. Remember how I floated the idea that scum could be TMIing about the setup with their behavior? They both soft claimed (I think Casey was soft claiming?) before Austin outted the anti claim mechanic. Idk about you guys, but I wasn’t sure what it could be and didn’t wanna claim at all, not even a softclaim on an album. Yet clearly Casey and Whiteflame felt it was safe.
How much stock do I put into his earlier explanation? initially I said not a whole lot (along with a null read) here, but as I’m thinking about Casey, I guess it checks out. See below.
I think a lot of this read also depends on how I feel about Greyparrot later.
Slight town.
Casey- I don’t like what happened above. I’m pretty sure Casey was soft claiming. I think scum may have a slight incentive to claim their album early on for some town cred- although to Casey’s credit she acknowledged that claiming albums shouldnt be free towncred this game.
That being said, everything else looks so genuine that it’s really hard to scumread her. I like her logic and the way she thinks. I give her bonus points for not immediately accepting Greyparrot’s claim (misread something related to this- my bad Casey). I also like how she’s even thinking about Austin’s logic.
I guess it is possible to overlook what softing could even do- perhaps that wasn’t fair of me on Whiteflame and Casey. I guess it doesn’t have to be scripted either, given that Casey was probably genuinely RVSing- I can see how she’d go for Whiteflame for the sake of the rhyme.
Slight town.
Wylted - I do feel he’s fluffing more than normal. I said he gives advice as town, but the one he gave was easier to fake than normal. His townread on Austin makes sense and he was one of the first to do so. Although I don’t understand the immediate trust in Austin’s thoughts on Pie. Post 33 is a little weird. I also think scum has an incentive to sit back and let the game go inactive this time around- Wylted hasn’t done anything outside of saying he townreads Austin. The other town of Wylted that I hinted at earlier is that he likes to jump in and say more about who he thinks is scum early on. Haven’t seen that one here yet.
Slight scum.
Earth- Same thing I just said about Wylted sitting back applies to Earth. I really haven’t seen much else though. The few early game posts he has made aren’t anything to go off of at all.
Null.
Lunatic- It applies to Lunatic as well, but less so since he did explain his inactivity… although i think he should be good to go soon, right?
Null.
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@Greyparrot
I would really like to hear about more than intuition.
What do you think is causing your intuition to point to Whiteflame?
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Actually, I'm gonna hold off on my reads on a few people until I get answers from some people.
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@Greyparrot
Here's an idea: Since you claimed your role, you might as well tell us your character and the justification.
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@whiteflame
Maybe this is just GP continuing a trend of not being particularly helpful, but it comes off as a slap-dash fake claim. That being said, it’s a weird fake claim to come up with on the spot.
I don't hate this idea from you. Tree Stump isn't particularly common, so it would likely be safe if a mafioso wanted to instaclaim.
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@Greyparrot
Also, what's with the scumread on Whiteflame?
I get the sense you are scumreading him, I want to know why.
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@Greyparrot
Why did you tag Pie specifically in your role claim?
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@ILikePie5
He did tag Pie; idt he normally tags someone when he does that. Could be a "hey, I did what you asked, boss."It’s a play from when I was scum 3 games in a row lol
Could you clarify what you're talking about here?
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@AustinL0926
Ok so I ended up procrastinating a little because I don't really feel like playing mafia. Boring ahh game rn.
I think Austin is correct about anticlaim because I don't know what else it could be, if there is such a mechanic.
That's assuming there's anything at all... Cerulean didn't outright say there was such a mechanic in this game. Just that there may be.
Austin, what are your thoughts on the possibility of there being no such mechanic in this game?
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Reading. Gonna work on some full reads… not much to go off of, but we are low on time
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Honestly I’m just gonna go to sleep.
I’ll leave yall with a question.
Do you think scum would be softing/claiming their album do gain towncred, or do you think they’d would be looking to avoid claims like the plague?
Actually here’s another question: Could mafia be unknowingly TMIing about the setup with how they behave?
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@ILikePie5
Not a terrible take, but I do have a townie point in his favor.
At this point we gotta ask ourselves what mafia would be doing right now. There seems to be some small strategy discussions among town
BRB. Thinking
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@ILikePie5
Oh I see what you mean… I think. Are you saying Austin’s could be probing for PRs to take care of?
I don’t see how that could be the case though. I recall him telling people not to claim.
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@ILikePie5
lol.
So, what makes Austin’s speculation suspicious? Looks normal to me.
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@ILikePie5
And I also caught Banana after being hella inactive in that one game. I forget the name.
Fair.
There’s a million albums out there. Not that hard to craft a fake claim
Yeah that’s my point. No mod would need to give fake claims
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@ILikePie5
Plus I’ve been puking and shitting liquid all day so there’s that.
Did we really need to know this part?
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Like Wylted doesn't need to say he's not gonna press someone on activity instantly if he's mafia. This is the tell. I feel like he often gives advice to other players when he's town. This one's easy to fake though. He certainly isn't looking scummy to me, so that's a good start.
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@Casey_Risk
He is looking good, although he has one towntell I haven't seen from him yet. There is a towntell that I have seen though.
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Honestly I don't think scum were given fakeclaims. Everyone submitted their albums already- all scum needs to do is find a town role for the album they submitted.
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@AustinL0926
Casey and Whiteflame may have been softing too. Not sure how I feel about that. In the words of Wylted, "it's anti-town to be obvious as fuck."
I'll give you a slight early town read because I can see your thought process at least. I swear I could scumread everyone but you right now.
You know what? Probably too early for me to start crafting scumreads. If I'm sussing everyone it means I don't really have a good case anywhere. I'll keep townhunting.
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@AustinL0926
Why would it be strange if he's scum? Tree Stump isn't super common.
Although I suppose you do have a point in that scum claiming immediately is a little ridiculous. Lemme go read the OP again... I wanna see if there's something about fakeclaims
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@AustinL0926
Pie was lagging behind in activity in Paper Mario Mafia as well. He flew under the radar all game and won as mafia.
We'll see. I expect something from him somewhat soon.
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@AustinL0926
Casey's post about anticlaim reads a bit town.
Casey didn't say anything about anticlaim specifically.
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@Casey_Risk
What makes you think GP is telling the truth? I'm not convinced just yet.
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I'm still scratching my head on why GP felt he needed to claim so bad. I know he does that a lot, but did he even read the OP?
He did tag Pie; idt he normally tags someone when he does that. Could be a "hey, I did what you asked, boss."
I know they're good friends and all but I don't get it.
Austin has a bit pf a point on Pie... but that's hard to say since we're all inactive.
I'd be down to press Pie for activity at least
VTL Pie
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@thett3
Another thought:
Trump biggest gains this cycle were among minority men. Perhaps radical feminism and gender ideology that told them their masculinity was a problem led them to rejecting progressives’ ideas of race relations as well.
I can easily see a black man drawing the link between the “men are keeping women down” and “whites are keeping blacks down” ideas, and rejecting the latter because he easily saw how wrong the former is.
Of course, I’ve been seeing a lot more black conservatives on the internet recently. They may not have needed such a pipeline- the oppressed victim narrative is a bit tired and pretty racist itself.
On the other hand, people really respond when they are being told society is out to get their group. It creates a cycle of confirmation bias that is quite difficult to break- any human being that falls into the trap is gonna need a wake-up call of some kind, for minority men, that call was probably when they were told their masculinity was a problem.
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@thett3
Donald Trump energizes people for and against him. I kinda figured if he was gonna win, he was gonna win big.
I get the sense the country’s centrists vote as a collective on him. I’m not entirely sure if it’s sure or why it would be if it is… perhaps Trump is so provocative that they have to take a look at him and his message- there’s no room to look at him equal or less to his opponent. So if they find things aren’t going well under a left wing administration, they will all go for him.
That’s my theory anyway.
It’s worth noting that a massive part of Trump’s victory was the gains he had in the minority vote this time around.
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