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@AustinL0926
So an extra NK?
Seems a little bastard here. What makes you think it’s a possibility?
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@AustinL0926
You should probably only claim if you're 100% going to get lynched, at least then even if you get nightkilled via anticlaim then you're dying anyway and town can use the lynch on someone who's actually scum.
What does anticlaim have to do with an NK?
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@WyIted
Ok, but what the hell does that even mean? Opposite of godfather? What does that mean?
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@WyIted
What the hell do you mean opposite of a miller?
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@AustinL0926
I'm actually posting towny rn but also I'm irrationally paranoid that you expressed that right after I said I like to townread people who townread me :p
? Yeah I think you’re posting towny too.
Anyway, townreading people who townread you is a stupid bias to have.
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@ILikePie5
Haven’t seen anything from him at all, and he likes to lay low as scum if I remember correctly. He didn’t even bother responding to my vote on him, and goes straight into “I want Wylted’s claim” joining you and GP in the wagon. It’s hella opportunistic
Yeah that pinged my radar as well. Also I felt your activity was borderline, so not as bad as Earth’s. At least you showed up with intent to post more.
Anyway, what are your full reads? You can be quick if need be.
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@Greyparrot
So, why didn’t you tell town about your flip not being revealed to start with?
Also, is your end of day verdict going to be hidden as well?
Also, is your end of day verdict going to be hidden as well?
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I’m not gonna go for the Greyparrot lynch yet. I want Wylted claim first at the very least. We have a small amount for time.
3.5 hours. There’s a little bit of pressure but we can manage it well.
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@ILikePie5
How are you feeling about Austin now?
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@ILikePie5
Ok that tells me where I can find it at least
Thx
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@AustinL0926
The only real inactive I see is Lunatic. Earth and Wylted (maybe Pie?) are just low posters to me.
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@AustinL0926
Ok so I started the wagon. But Whiteflame was the first to put a big sus on Greyparrot I think
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@AustinL0926
Yes, GP can be stubborn at times, that’s not what feels off about me.
And yes Whiteflame is a bit passive as scum, but he started the push on Greyparrot iirc
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@Greyparrot
Ohhhh so are you saying you have a townread on him now or ?
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I’d like to go this route unless Pie v Austin turns into something more than it is right now.
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@WyIted
Greyparrot’s behavior is still a bit off for me, but I want to at least look at someone else first.
I’m not super confident on my townread on Whiteflame, so I could honor what Greyparrot wants; a trade, if you will- there are a few small things about him that bother me. But there are a few counterpoints. One thing of note is that he started this pressure on Greyparrot. I get the sense that scum is hiding under the inactivity this game… they just have to low post and wait for something to happen.
With that being said, I think Wylted has been doing more blending in than any genuine scumhunting. His only given read is some townread on Austin and him fluffing more than usual is a scumtell that I almost correctly scumread him for in Villainous Villains. I didn’t pursue it then, but given he was scum in that game, I want to pursue it now. I also think the vote on Lunatic is a bit opportunistic- if he has the time to post that, why can’t he be bothered to say something else, at least something small? It looks like a “hey, I’m doing something!” post.
VTL Wylted for a claim
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5 hours left.
I’m not a fan of lynching an inactive Lunatic.
Lynching inactives is a necessary evil at times, but he seems adamant that he doesn’t have the time to do anything but read a little from time to time, and will have more time DP2.
Inactive lynches are suboptimal for information too.
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@whiteflame
My justification doesn’t focus on the lyrics of one of the songs on my album, but on the band and what went into the album as a whole.
Mine talks about the album as a whole as well. It’s why I ended up pressing him for a bit more
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@Greyparrot
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@AustinL0926
You will receive a role based on your album- it might be related to the history, the meaning, the literal words, or other aspects of the album. No players will be Vanilla.
Found this in the sign ups thread. Its relevant to two different conversations
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@Greyparrot
I picked my album cause I’ve been bumping his songs recently. He might be surprise to some of you
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@Greyparrot
What number album released by the Doobie brothers (8th), notable songs, and then he talked about the titular song.
Okay.
Fun fact, I learned how to play what a fool believes on the piano a month ago.
Neat. Don’t see why that’s relevant though.
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@Greyparrot
What information about the album did he give in the condensed wiki?
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@Greyparrot
Ok, but did Cerulean not say anything else about the album?
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@whiteflame
I guess the lyrics are just the name of the ability.
Outside of the lyrics, how did the Cerulean describe the Minute by Minute album?
Please answer.
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@Greyparrot
I’ll think about pushing for Whiteflame. Not settled yet.
I have a current townread on but admittedly I’m not super confident. I can see a world where it’s he and Casey.
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@Greyparrot
@whiteflame
I think the lyrics are the justification?
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@Greyparrot
Justification seems to track. Thank you
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@whiteflame
I don’t think Greyparrot is trolling. He’s always been a gut reader. To me the issue is that he didn’t give a character or justification for his claim, even after I asked.
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Alternative scum teams outside of Greyparrot-Wylted could be
Greyparrot-Austin
Greyparrot-Pie
Austin-Wylted
Casey-Whiteflame
These would require me to be wrong on someone though. Also, the inactives are still floating around.
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@Greyparrot
Ok that was not brief at all. Took me a while to type as well
Unvote VTL Greyparrot
I want to know your character and justification.
I’ll get back on Lunatic later.
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Ok I’m tired as hell now. Spent too much time thinking. I’ll be brief. Was gonna withhold some details to test how people react but they’re gonna react regardless ig. Prolly don’t have time for these kinda experiments anyway.
Greyparrot- The early claim is normal for him. I think it’s weird he tagged Pie in particular (still want to know what strategy of GP’s you’re talking about here, Pie). I don’t like how he never gave a real answer on why he suspects Whiteflame, but the bigger problem is he never told me his character and justification. If you’re going to out your role at the start, why not give the character and justification? It would only help town decide if your claim seems legit or not. I don’t completely agree with Austin’s point that Tree Stump is a dumb fake claim for scum, nor do I think this game has to be role madness. We don’t know what scum has either. If Greyparrot is a Goon or Ninja, for example, claiming Tree Stump is no issue for him, since he would show no signs of activity.
On the flip side, I think mafia would want to avoid role claims like the plague (town as well tho tbh- so the game isn’t that much different from normal ones in this regard). The problem with using this argument to clear Greyparrot is that his meta is to claim, and even scum Greyparrot would know that.
Scum.
Pie- It should be noted that Greyparrot tagging Pie doesn’t outright incriminate Pie. If Greyparrot is scum and tagging someone, the misdirect is possible. I say this because I don’t see anything from Pie that really bothers me.
Null.
Austin - I really feel like he’s not considering the possibility of Greyparrot being scum enough here. For reasons I said earlier, he’s not really in the clear. His earlier FoS on Pie made a tiny amount of sense to me initially, but it’s not that easy to read… the whole game is inactive. He also said he expected Pie to engage with Greyparrot claim implied Pie didn’t… but Pie did?
His FoS may not be as much of an FoS though come to think of it. He did say in later post he wanted to see what happen.
That’s where my problems end. I don’t think Austin needs to tell us about anticlaim if he’s scum. Sure, he could be using it for towncred, but I disagree with Pie when he says he would townread anyone else for it. I would scumread anyone else- Austin is the only other person here who plays on MU I think. It wouldn’t be too hard for him to guess what in the game. I like his questioning of Wylted too. I like the random vote on Whiteflame, it makes his vote on Pie look better. He also misunderstood something Casey was saying, so I can see a similar screw up with Pie; Austin clearly wasn’t reading the DP all that well… we’ve all been there.
Slight town.
Whiteflame - So earlier I was gonna say that hated how he complained so much about not much happening and didn’t even vote someone for activity. It’s become at least a little outdated since he posted reads, which I do like. I think scum would love for this DP to end in an inactive no-lynch, so sitting back and doing nothing is kinda scummy. I give Whiteflame town points for his reads, and for pressing Greyparrot.
The early DP interaction with Casey looks like it could be scripted though. Remember how I floated the idea that scum could be TMIing about the setup with their behavior? They both soft claimed (I think Casey was soft claiming?) before Austin outted the anti claim mechanic. Idk about you guys, but I wasn’t sure what it could be and didn’t wanna claim at all, not even a softclaim on an album. Yet clearly Casey and Whiteflame felt it was safe.
How much stock do I put into his earlier explanation? initially I said not a whole lot (along with a null read) here, but as I’m thinking about Casey, I guess it checks out. See below.
I think a lot of this read also depends on how I feel about Greyparrot later.
Slight town.
Casey- I don’t like what happened above. I’m pretty sure Casey was soft claiming. I think scum may have a slight incentive to claim their album early on for some town cred- although to Casey’s credit she acknowledged that claiming albums shouldnt be free towncred this game.
That being said, everything else looks so genuine that it’s really hard to scumread her. I like her logic and the way she thinks. I give her bonus points for not immediately accepting Greyparrot’s claim (misread something related to this- my bad Casey). I also like how she’s even thinking about Austin’s logic.
I guess it is possible to overlook what softing could even do- perhaps that wasn’t fair of me on Whiteflame and Casey. I guess it doesn’t have to be scripted either, given that Casey was probably genuinely RVSing- I can see how she’d go for Whiteflame for the sake of the rhyme.
Slight town.
Wylted - I do feel he’s fluffing more than normal. I said he gives advice as town, but the one he gave was easier to fake than normal. His townread on Austin makes sense and he was one of the first to do so. Although I don’t understand the immediate trust in Austin’s thoughts on Pie. Post 33 is a little weird. I also think scum has an incentive to sit back and let the game go inactive this time around- Wylted hasn’t done anything outside of saying he townreads Austin. The other town of Wylted that I hinted at earlier is that he likes to jump in and say more about who he thinks is scum early on. Haven’t seen that one here yet.
Slight scum.
Earth- Same thing I just said about Wylted sitting back applies to Earth. I really haven’t seen much else though. The few early game posts he has made aren’t anything to go off of at all.
Null.
Lunatic- It applies to Lunatic as well, but less so since he did explain his inactivity… although i think he should be good to go soon, right?
Null.
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@Greyparrot
I would really like to hear about more than intuition.
What do you think is causing your intuition to point to Whiteflame?
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Actually, I'm gonna hold off on my reads on a few people until I get answers from some people.
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@Greyparrot
Here's an idea: Since you claimed your role, you might as well tell us your character and the justification.
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@whiteflame
Maybe this is just GP continuing a trend of not being particularly helpful, but it comes off as a slap-dash fake claim. That being said, it’s a weird fake claim to come up with on the spot.
I don't hate this idea from you. Tree Stump isn't particularly common, so it would likely be safe if a mafioso wanted to instaclaim.
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@Greyparrot
Also, what's with the scumread on Whiteflame?
I get the sense you are scumreading him, I want to know why.
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@Greyparrot
Why did you tag Pie specifically in your role claim?
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@ILikePie5
He did tag Pie; idt he normally tags someone when he does that. Could be a "hey, I did what you asked, boss."It’s a play from when I was scum 3 games in a row lol
Could you clarify what you're talking about here?
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@AustinL0926
Ok so I ended up procrastinating a little because I don't really feel like playing mafia. Boring ahh game rn.
I think Austin is correct about anticlaim because I don't know what else it could be, if there is such a mechanic.
That's assuming there's anything at all... Cerulean didn't outright say there was such a mechanic in this game. Just that there may be.
Austin, what are your thoughts on the possibility of there being no such mechanic in this game?
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