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Reading. Gonna work on some full reads… not much to go off of, but we are low on time
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@Lunatic
You good bro?
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Honestly I’m just gonna go to sleep.

I’ll leave yall with a question.

Do you think scum would be softing/claiming their album do gain towncred, or do you think they’d would be looking to avoid claims like the plague?

Actually here’s another question: Could mafia be unknowingly TMIing about the setup with how they behave?
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@ILikePie5
Not a terrible take, but I do have a townie point in his favor.

At this point we gotta ask ourselves what mafia would be doing right now. There seems to be some small strategy discussions among town 

BRB. Thinking
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@ILikePie5
Oh I see what you mean… I think. Are you saying Austin’s could be probing for PRs to take care of?

I don’t see how that could be the case though. I recall him telling people not to claim.
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@ILikePie5
lol.

So, what makes Austin’s speculation suspicious? Looks normal to me.
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@ILikePie5
And I also caught Banana after being hella inactive in that one game. I forget the name.
Fair.

There’s a million albums out there. Not that hard to craft a fake claim
Yeah that’s my point. No mod would need to give fake claims 
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@ILikePie5
Plus I’ve been puking and shitting liquid all day so there’s that.
Did we really need to know this part?

Unvote
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Like Wylted doesn't need to say he's not gonna press someone on activity instantly if he's mafia. This is the tell. I feel like he often gives advice to other players when he's town. This one's easy to fake though. He certainly isn't looking scummy to me, so that's a good start.
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@Casey_Risk
He is looking good, although he has one towntell I haven't seen from him yet. There is a towntell that I have seen though.
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Honestly I don't think scum were given fakeclaims. Everyone submitted their albums already- all scum needs to do is find a town role for the album they submitted.
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@AustinL0926
Casey and Whiteflame may have been softing too. Not sure how I feel about that. In the words of Wylted, "it's anti-town to be obvious as fuck."

I'll give you a slight early town read because I can see your thought process at least. I swear I could scumread everyone but you right now.

You know what? Probably too early for me to start crafting scumreads. If I'm sussing everyone it means I don't really have a good case anywhere. I'll keep townhunting.


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There's not. Idk if scum were given one or not.
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@AustinL0926
Why would it be strange if he's scum? Tree Stump isn't super common.

Although I suppose you do have a point in that scum claiming immediately is a little ridiculous. Lemme go read the OP again... I wanna see if there's something about fakeclaims
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@AustinL0926
Pie was lagging behind in activity in Paper Mario Mafia as well. He flew under the radar all game and won as mafia.

We'll see. I expect something from him somewhat soon.
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@AustinL0926
Casey's post about anticlaim reads a bit town.
Casey didn't say anything about anticlaim specifically.
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@Casey_Risk
What makes you think GP is telling the truth? I'm not convinced just yet.
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I'm still scratching my head on why GP felt he needed to claim so bad. I know he does that a lot, but did he even read the OP?

He did tag Pie; idt he normally tags someone when he does that. Could be a "hey, I did what you asked, boss."

I know they're good friends and all but I don't get it.

Austin has a bit pf a point on Pie... but that's hard to say since we're all inactive.

I'd be down to press Pie for activity at least

VTL Pie
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@thett3
Another thought:

Trump biggest gains this cycle were among minority men. Perhaps radical feminism and gender ideology that told them their masculinity was a problem led them to rejecting progressives’ ideas of race relations as well.

I can easily see a black man drawing the link between the “men are keeping women down” and “whites are keeping blacks down” ideas, and rejecting the latter because he easily saw how wrong the former is.

Of course, I’ve been seeing a lot more black conservatives on the internet recently. They may not have needed such a pipeline- the oppressed victim narrative is a bit tired and pretty racist itself.

On the other hand, people really respond when they are being told society is out to get their group. It creates a cycle of confirmation bias that is quite difficult to break- any human being that falls into the trap is gonna need a wake-up call of some kind, for minority men, that call was probably when they were told their masculinity was a problem.
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@thett3
Donald Trump energizes people for and against him. I kinda figured if he was gonna win, he was gonna win big.

I get the sense the country’s centrists vote as a collective on him. I’m not entirely sure if it’s sure or why it would be if it is… perhaps Trump is so provocative that they have to take a look at him and his message- there’s no room to look at him equal or less to his opponent. So if they find things aren’t going well under a left wing administration, they will all go for him.

That’s my theory anyway.

It’s worth noting that a massive part of Trump’s victory was the gains he had in the minority vote this time around.
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@Barney
@whiteflame
So I’m reading this shit more and I’m thinking “Yo, what the fuck is this thread?”

Idk what needs to be done but take a look please
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@Double_R
Him saying that while saying there "was no scandal key" is hilarious.
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Pedophilles
Troll vs troll
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Here. Watching.
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Mafia Mod Sign-Up List
Current Mafia:

Cerulean - Albums Mafia

Signups:

None

In the Hopper:

Pie - Inheritance Cycle Mafia
Lunatic- TBD
Casey Risk - Indie Bands Mafia
Mharman - Gunplay Mafia

On Hold:

None
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@Cerulean
Aight
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@Cerulean
I suppose if we get nine you could also add an extra day to whatever DP is going on during Thanksgiving 
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Is Identity Politics a Waste of Time?
Yes.
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@Earth
Wayback Machine says I joined September 19, 2016. 

I got 8 years as well.
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
Tbf, Pie has been around for a bit over 8 years now. For being on this site that’s a fairly long time.

And Lunatic, ur ass has been around for at least 15 😂… you’re ancient my friend 

Wait, Earth- how long have you been around?
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@ILikePie5
Too many Gen alpha kids on the internet… they’re making the 20yos feel old!
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@Reece101
#3 is good, I’m on the fence about the first two. Counter tariffs are always a concern, so it’s about whether or not our domestic companies would grow enough to offset the counter tariffs.

Pro union? I’m only for private unions. Public ones? Not really. 

Anyway, this is how milk toast Trump’s economic policy really is. He’s a step in the right direction (and miles ahead of what Harris and Biden were doing/gonna do), but I would love him to get more Austro-libertarian with his economics.

There are a few good things you left out. If his previous term is an indicator, everyone’s getting tax cuts, and he understands that a lot of red tape exists in many industries that he could cut down.

Recently he also said tips don’t have to be reported to the IRS anymore, if he gets elected. Also a good idea.
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@Cerulean
Yeah I’d be okay with it starting after Thanksgiving… honestly preferable
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If You Have a Random Thought, Post it Here.
It is said that one of man’s greatest desires is to be remembered.

I wonder how many people would say they’d rather be forgotten.

There have been times in my life where I’ve felt both ways.
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@Cerulean
Oh btw… GP is in yes. He does that
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@Cerulean
Oh I see this is like Lunatic’s game from a month or two ago

Yeah I’ll dm you that
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@Cerulean
/in

tell your friend to show up lol

If they're willing to help make a setup for this site they shouldn't be too scared to at least give thoughts on the game in the endgame. Maybe we could show them that we're not so scary after all.
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@Earth
Also, if you ever want to do a bastard game, here is a case study in how not to go about it. I guess it kinda depends on how you advertise the game tho
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@Earth
@Cerulean
I'll tell you the negatives, then the positives

Negative

1. The redundancy of the PRs in the setup was always gonna result in town CCing each other, even if I didn't screw up my claim. The rarity of such a design also plays a factor, but a world where this setup was the norm wouldn't be that great.

I think with more PR types there's more unique plays that can be made, and having so much repetition makes setups kinda bland as a whole, because they'd all be repeating the same PRs multiple times in each game. It also means Mafia can claim pretty recklessly, and usually wont have to deal with a CC, provided they make no horrible screw up.

2. Election cake can result in a very easy win for scum. If Skipper had targeted Pie instead of Joebob, town would have instantly lost before DP3. I see what you did to mitigate this- just make a ton of ability denying roles. That relies on the redundancy of the setup, and a little bit of chance.

A better solution is to give town their own voting role. 1. it gives town a chance to counter. 2. It gives town information that scum may have such a voting role. 3. It creates a threat mafia must take down in order to use their voting role. I would say the ball should be in the mafia's court for this one since, in a game without voting roles, they'd have to get the third mislynch anyway.

3. Third party presence in a 9-player game. Third parties can shake up a game a lot, but in this setup, it effectively served as a lynch town would eventually have to get out of the way to achieve their wincon. The survivor was essentially a third scum player, except the other scum also doesn't know about the Survivor and has to take them down.

Making it so that survivor doesn't joint win was a decent idea to prevent teaming, but it came at the cost of interrupting both teams' flow... at least it would have, if Cerulean hadn't openly claimed survivor. So it only messed with town.

In general I would say 9 player games aren't suitable for third parties.

Vaarka's Golden Rule

Idk if Vaarka came up with this, but I think he was the one who taught me this. Did someone on MU come up with it, Cerulean?

The rule is as follows: "Town should be able to survive as many mislynches as there are mafia."

For a 9-player game, this justifies 2 scum. Town can survive 2 mislynches, but will lose the game on a third one. It's a great adjustment to the 25-33% rule that allows for town to have a safety net that is directly in proportion to how many mafiosos they need to catch, based on how much information they are expected to have come MYLO.

I could go more into depth about this, but I'll leave a final note to keep this part brief:

It can also tell us when to include third parties in our setups. Take an 11-player game for example. a 9v2 would be town sided, and a 8v3 would be scum sided. By making the setup an 8v2v1, town cannot survive 3 mislynches, only 2- satisfying the rule. What's neat about an 8v2v1 is how rare mafia teaming with a survivor  can be. Even after two mislynches resulting in a 4v2v1, the survivor still can't team with mafia, because there aren't enough votes to do so.

It should also be noted that voting roles can interfere with this rule.

Positive

The other dreaming God cakes were great. Roleblocks are standard, but the random action cake as a weaker version of said roleblock is great. It means Mafia can spam Roleblocks/redirect as effectively, because one of them has a chance of not harming town. like the more informative tracker cake as well... a way to give the informed majority a bit more information on what town is planning.

The Lie Detector is underrated. Lie detector is essentially a weaker version of a cop. I love it, and your restraint in making sure Whiteflame couldn't cop anything too obvious is a good move as well.

Commuter on a survivor is good choice. I obviously didn't like the presence of a survivor this game, but giving the survivor something other than vanilla is always great when you do put one in the game. Survivor is extremely hard to play because you have neither the information of the Mafia, nor the numbers of town. A PR helps the survivor a lot.
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@Cerulean
yeah go ahead

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@iamanabanana
good game
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
@Skipper_Sr
@Owen_T
ggs
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@Greyparrot
@whiteflame
@WyIted
@JoeBob
@Casey_Risk
GG.
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DP4 changes have been reverted. The game is over.

Winners: Jester and Surivor
Losers: Town, Mimes, and Condemner

SETUP

Winning third parties:

Casey - You are Jeff Skilling, the former CEO and COO of Enron! You were an aggressive executive with one eye on the business, and the other eye on its stock price! You hired Andrew Fastow, who later rose to a role as prominent as yours. You both want wealth and power and you want it yesterday! He can do a few things for you.

You are the Steadfast JOAT (“steadfast,” a flavor meaning your abilities cannot be changed). Your abilities are:

1x Rewriter- One per night, per game, you may target another player and hit them with one of  Fastow’s misleading spreadsheets. They will now have a new role (of your choosing, you cannot change their affiliation or make them vanilla, however!), and will have to interpret their character differently.

1x Commuter- Have Fastow take you to one of his offshore properties. You will be immune from all night actions.

1x Morpher- Have Fastow turn another player into a special-purpose vehicle to hide your company’s fraud. You will appear as that player on all investigations that night.

Finally, you are only in it for yourself. You are an Informed Survivor. You win when the town or mimes have achieved their win condition, assuming you are alive at that point. You are informed that the feds (really just another player in this game- Greyparrot) is out to get you.

Wylted - You are Logan and Jake Paul, the brother duo of terrible influencers! You like to get yourself involved in whatever you come across, usually making some dumb spectacle out of it in the process, from music to boxing.

You are the purple goo. You have no night action, but all players who come in contact with you on the night will have their role swapped with yours. This will make them the purple goo, while you gain their abilities. 

If multiple players target you in the night, one of them will be chosen- first, by order of operations; second, by random chance.

You are a jester. You win when lynched. You can joint win.

Other third party:

Greyparrot - You are Brian Vickers, the dirty, hotheaded, aggressive NASCAR driver! Despite everything in your career, you kept it going for a long time… and you never really changed your ways.

You are the Steadfast JOAT (“steadfast,” meaning your abilities cannot be changed).

Your abilities are:

1x Roleblocker: Everyone loves aggressive blocking! Except for the guys behind you. Use this once per night, per game to prevent another player’s night action.

1x Car Thief: You could also wreck someone innocent, looking for vengeance. Just ask Matt Kenseth. You may target a player: If they are commuting, they will be left Vulnerable (meaning they cannot be saved by/from any night actions by other players), and you will commute in their place, making you immune from all night actions.

1x Vote Thief: Sometimes, you steal a win with your antics. Here, you can steal a vote. Select a player, and they will lose their vote the next Day Phase, while you will gain a second vote.

You are a Condemner! You win if you are a part of the Casey’s lynch, or their death in the night. Voting for someone who killed Casey will not satisfy this win condition.

Mimes:

Joebob - You are Vladimir Kramnik, the paranoid former world chess champion! You have accused a multitude of top chess players, including Hikaru Nakamura, Jose Martinez, and Denis Lazavik, of cheating in online play. You are a lunatic who is only given credibility by some people because you were once a world chess champion. People also feel the need to go out of their way to debunk your claims, also because of your status.

Personally, I think you are going out of your way to accuse others, because you don’t want Toiletgate to be such a massive part of your legacy.

You are a godfather! When investigated, you will appear innocent. You win with the mimes, a faction that wins when all mimes are lynched.

Whiteflame - You are Machine Gun Kelly, the former rock rapper who switched to pop punk! You felt the need to diss your inspiration, Eminem, for clout. You got destroyed so badly you switched genres, and your career has been slightly worse than it was before the beef… you weren’t all that relevant to begin with.

You are a JOAT! Your abilities are:

1x Stalker- One of the reasons for your beef with is a tweet you made about his daughter, in which you said she was “so fucking hot” …while she was 17. Yuck. Once per night, per game, you may investigate another player to see what power roles they have. 

1x Commuter- You switched genres after getting destroyed by Eminem. You figuratively “left town.” When using this ability, you will leave town, becoming immune from all night actions.

1x Doctor- Despite everything repulsive about you, you are in a relationship with Megan Kelly and expecting a kid. I don’t know how (probably because she’s as crazy as you are), but you actually have other people in your life you need to care for. Use this ability to protect someone else from lethal night actions.

You win with the mimes, a faction that wins when all mimes are lynched.

Town:

Lunatic - You are Roger Goodell, commissioner of the NFL! Since becoming commissioner, a few of the things you’ve done are a bit… questionable, to say the least.

You are a JOAT! Your abilities are:

1x Killjoy- Once per night, per game, you may target another player with a fine for an excessive celebration/taunt, roughing the whatever, or some other minuscule infraction. If that player is a jester, they will be converted to town.

1x Jailkeeper- Some NFL players get involved in some criminal activities, warranting a suspension. This is good, but I’m gonna give you flak for being inconsistent when it comes to stuff like this. You may target a player. That player is protected from lethal night actions and shitty turf fields, but they are prevented from using their night actions.

1x DP Extender- Sometimes, the town just needs a break. But not when there’s a 17th game to be played! When using this ability, you will extend the DP, allowing for an additional lynch to take place that day. This can be used at twilight, or at the beginning of a day phase. If you use this, you will be unable to act the following night.

You win with the town, a faction that wins when they cannot lynch any mimes.

Earth - You are Ibram X. Kendi, the radically progressive author, professor, and “anti”-racist activist! You have made famous statements like “past oppression must be repaid with present oppression,” and “racial discrimination is not inherently racist.” A more humorous one is “it is racist not to have a capital gains tax.” You preach a philosophy of racial revenge under the guise of reparations/progress. Worst of all, you’ve poisoned the minds of many college-age youth with this philosophy.

You are the strengthener! You give philosophical backing to a horrid movement of woke racism, and once per night, you may target a player with this ability. They will be immune to anything that might interfere with their actions.

You win with the town, a faction that wins when they cannot lynch any mimes.

Pie - You are Tom Cruise, the famous actor and… Scientologist?! Yes, your action movies are mostly good, but I have no idea why you got involved with this “church.” You may have a financial stake in your promotion of it as well. You are a certified Hollywood nut.

You are the 2x Affiliation Cop! Once per night, you may investigate a player. Their affiliation will be revealed to you.

You win with the town, a faction that wins when they cannot lynch any mimes.

Owen - You are Bobby Kotick, the disgraced former CEO of Blizzard! You took Overwatch and turned into a disgusting cash crab that is still playable and sometimes fun, but a shell of its former self. You took a look at the game’s massive playerbase, and saw nothing but an opportunity for a shop update under the guise of a PvE sequel with some PvP.

You are the 2x Redirector! Once per night, twice per game, you may pull a bait and switch on someone, directing their actions to someone of your choosing. 

You win with the town, a faction that wins when they cannot lynch any mimes.
Skipper - You are Juggle!’s leadership, the people who own the company that bought the original site, DDO, from its founders, Phil and Crystal. Under your ownership, the site’s golden age continued… until you stopped caring about the site. The site eventually fell into disrepair with numerous bugs, and a dying community. A spambot attack drove the site’s remaining users to join DART, except for a few select users, two of which decided to spend the site’s final years engaging in a years-long, insanely racist flame war. You finally shut down the site a couple of years ago.

You are a vanilla! You have no abilities.

Or at least, that’s what I told you, in your PM. Rumor has it that you only bought DDO to fill out a portfolio. If that’s true, then it’s even worse, since you never cared in the first place. To take a great site with a great community, and treat it as nothing more than a feather in your cap that will need to be thrown out in a few years is shameful.

You are a hidden miller! You don’t know this, but you take one less vote to lynch than usual, and will be found to be guilty/mime on all investigations.

You win with the town, a faction that wins when they cannot lynch any mimes.

Banana - You are Subway, the somewhat healthy sandwich chain! In your prime, you could offer a $5 foot long. You can’t do that anymore. Now, you have many competitors that top you. There was also the whole Jared Fogle thing. That being said, you haven’t done much to bother me other than getting outsmarted by competitors, and not being as healthy as advertised.

You are a vanilla! You have no abilities.

Or at least, that’s what I told you. There are many people that still like to get a foot long every once in a while. I am one of them. I really only picked you because you were the only chain restaurant I could think of that had a falloff.

You are a Hidden Phase Princess! If you ever die, the next phase will be skipped. I’ll still create a thread for your flip if a day phase is skipped, though.

You win with the town, a faction that wins when they cannot lynch any mimes.

Thanks for playing! (even if this went sideways)

I'm gonna do a regular game next time.

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@whiteflame
go ahead and lock the thread
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@Lunatic
aight.
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Finally, you are only in it for yourself. You are an Informed Survivor. You win when the town or mimes have achieved their win condition, assuming you are alive at that point. 
forgot to update this while making the setup. This was from before I decided that jester didn't joint win with town and mimes

yes, it was decided that jester didn't joint win before DP2 when the game really begun

hope this clarifies everything. sorry for how jarring this may be
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@ILikePie5
I didn't even need to make a new DP- the DP3 could've continued on from there with the flips

I just wanted to organize shit.

The game would've ended right there and then if I didn't allow Wylted to joint win, bc I felt the situation was unfair to town and mimes
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@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
Casey, whether you intended this or not, you are a legend for this. I'm dying laughing over here

congrats to both of you lmao
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@Owen_T
@iamanabanana
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