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@Casey_Risk
I mean, I think this conversation between Skipper and me that just started might lead us somewhere, so there's that. Feel free to weigh in on it, if you please.
Sure. I'll give you town cred for calling Skipper out on that.
As for your case on him, some of it makes sense.
The fact that he said nothing in his defense, other than reiterate that Wylted townreads him. Also the fact that his remarks do seem aggressive, albeit passive aggressive. Although I suppose we've all been doing that. Again, a lotta respect to you for having the guts to break the impasse. I should take a page out of your book. I think I will in a moment.
The only point I don't agree with is that townies can never be afraid of being mislynched. To some degree, this is correct... scum tends to invest a little bit more into defending themselves from lynches. The big thing, however, is that I can think of a good reason a townie might want to invest a lot into avoiding a mislynch. Does it apply to Skipper? Idk. I do know that I'm not willing to give noobs passes for bad logic; I learned that lesson last game... again, shoutouts to Pie for making that case on Banana.
One thing you missed though: He talks a lot about others being vague, but then does it himself. I guess we all have, but I don't get the lack of self-awareness on his part.
All in all, you have a semi-decent case.
I won't lie, though. I'm more inclined to believe it because it looks like a post one would make while working connection with... Cerulean!
Lemme apply that page I took out of your book and have the balls to say: I think he's trying to bait an OMGUS from me.
I gotta give him props for the plan, too. I OMGUSed Pie in Villainous Villains, and he saw it. So why not start with some terrible logic ("Mharman is less active than I expect")?
If I give pushback, it's OMGUS. Time to pressure for a claim, perhaps a mislynch. If I say nothing, he continues to sneak diss the whole way, implying his sus on me. He can afford to wait for someone else to accuse me, and knows someone from town will eventually try to "pick up what he's putting down," because he's conditioning town to take real nice close look at me. Then, when someone makes their case on me, he gets to parrot, maybe "add to it" a little.
And if he gets called out for it by someone else? He can fall back on it being a reaction test. If I don't believe because, he doesn't need to be so subtle about such a test, or because it all seems too convenient (both of which I am alleging), he can say my pushback is irrational and spin it all back on me saying that he didn't really think I was scum until I reacted this way- he was merely testing me.
And if town is little slow to accuse me for his parrot, he can send his teammate (who is being townread by a few people) to help imply there's a case on me. It's not his first choice, but if he has to do it he has to do it.
Admittedly, I am aware he can spin one of my points back on me. I've also been hesitant to accuse until now, so what gives? Well, I was hesitant because I know if I counter-accuse, he's got what he wants. In a way, I'm giving him just that- except for the fact that someone else from town is starting to take a look at some of these things- you're kinda my hero for being the ice breaker. I'm gonna trust you.
I agree there's a case on Skipper, but I think Cerulean is more sus.
VTL Cerulean
We'd all much rather get along than fight you
Me and Hailie dance to your songs, we like you
And you don't really wanna step inside no mic booth
Come on now, you know the white boy'll bite you
I'll hurt your pride, dawg, and you know I don't like to
But I will if I have to, with syllable after
Syllable I just slap you, killin' you faster
Than you poppin' pill after little pill of them tabs
Of that shit you on, but if you want it, you got it
You'd bump this shit too, if we ain't diss you on it
But if we lock horns, we can charge harder than Busta (Green Lantern!)
We bump heads with any motherfucker that wants to (yeah)
So what's the deal, where was all the tough talk?
When I walked up to you like, "Ja, what up, dawg?"
How come you didn't say you had a problem then?
When you was standin' there with all your men, we coulda solved this then
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I always feel like somebody's baiting meeeeeeee
And if say who I'll get mislynched
(Who's baiting?)
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@Casey_Risk
I'll say this: You do have a point in that the whole town has reached an impasse.
Do you wanna be the first to say something, or would you prefer it be me? I suppose I've observed enough.
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@Casey_Risk
Mharman - not sure how to feel about him. He hasn't said too much yet, but comparing what he has said to last game, it already feels like he's doing less to try and get the game moving and figure stuff out. Might be reading too deep into it though. Null read for now.
Keep in mind that last game was different in that no one was doing anything early on. If you remember what I said last game, I was annoyed by the fact that everyone else was doing what I've been enjoying lately... sitting back and observing. Which is why I got that party started... no need to do that now.
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@Cerulean
So, what's with the reaction test?
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@whiteflame
I don't think it makes sense to hold this in reserve, so I'll note what may or may not be obvious: both Tubba Blubba and General Guy are bosses in this game
I was thinking antagonists, but bosses are a subset, so this makes sense. Mine is also a boss.
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@Greyparrot
4 cats, 1 dog in my house. I love them all, but I will say I'm more of a cat person
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Not sure if I buy Skipper's alleged town noobslips just yet. On the surface, they look nice, but I kinda get the sense he's leaning a little too hard into being a noob. The thing is, I've seen noob town act extra nooby on purpose just out of fear of getting mislynched DP1 of their first game. I did it in my first game, Philosophers IV.
Null for now. Same goes for everyone else.
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I'm having an early townread on Pie. I like his interaction with Casey, and his question to Earth. It feels like I can see his thought process, which I like.
I guess I'm liking Casey's claim, but I'm not gonna hardlock Casey as town just yet. Mafia were given fake claims after all. Normally this would be a claim too risky for scum, but if it's a fake claim, it may have emboldened her. I don't have any real evidence that this is the case, but it's worth noting.
The reason I buy it for now is that scumreading the claim would require me to think Earth set up the fake claim as bait (or just gave scum a really bad fake claim), and that Casey would fail to notice such a thing as scum... neither of which are great assumptions. Occam's razor is my hero. Plus, others have voiced support for the claim, with Whiteflame saying there may be a pattern. I have two theories as to what he may be alluding to (yall have already voiced one of them), and both of them work well with my character.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
His theory of other minds is so broken that he doesn't understand how to fool people
Playing mafia helps develop this skill lol
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Low tier troll skills
Now please play mafia
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@ILikePie5
I’m pretty sure this is Underdog aka Alec aka some other accounts idr…
From what I understand, he’s not breaking the ToS, he’s just moving to new accounts repeatedly like Wylted did
From what I understand, he’s not breaking the ToS, he’s just moving to new accounts repeatedly like Wylted did
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@RemyBrown
You should try I think
Also, out of curiosity, why do you have a new account every year?
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This is a haiku.
Nothing special, now is it?
Doesn’t need to be.
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There are so many modern technologies/inventions that we take for granted.
Various hygiene products come to mind. I’d hate living in a world without those.
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@Lemming
What would various other species look like if they practiced weightlifting like humans do?
I know there are cats and dogs with genetic disorders that cause extreme muscle growth. Probably something like those.
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4 years later, Among Us will not leave my brain lol
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Oh shit I’m next and I haven’t made a setup
I’ll make one in time, don’t worry
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alr im done pinging people ur on ur own Earth
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@TheHammer
@Subutai
@TheFlex
@oromagi
@Speedrace
^^^
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None of them are likely to respond, but f it
also, idk that you could do a post with only spaces, i didn't think that would work
back in my day we used to type nac, now you can just post in all caps too
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@Smithereens
@Imabench
@Annie_ESocialBookworm
@airmax1227
@irontoaster
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@Danielle
@coal
@Barney
@Linkish102
@LikeMagic
*wave*
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@Buddamoose
@David
@drafterman
@sui_generis
@breakingamber
Let’s ping a few old heads, see if that does anything
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@Cerulean
We had sussed Whiteflame for valid reasons long before he claimed. At least I did. Pretty sure Casey did as well. Obviously not every reason for our case is going to be correct.
As for balance, town has some good utility and a confirmable role. Pie's role can be used to confirm other roles as well. I think the Whiteflame's role is meant to negate that advantage. You are correct that it's a little scumsided, but it's close enough to the center for me.
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@iamanabanana
Could you point to what Pie said that was so dickish? I didn’t see anything worth getting offended over. Not from Pie anyway.
As for Wylted, don’t take him seriously. His remarks can be jarring at first, but sooner or later you realize he just has an edgy sense of humor.
And finally, about me: I wasn’t offended by the fact that your statement back there was a remark against men. I brushed that aspect of it off. Rather, I was irritated by the fact that the statement did nothing to refute Pie’s arguments against you.
When you are being accused in a game of mafia, you must defend your innocence at some point. You have a few options:
1. Construct an argument based on logic, evidence, and deception if needed. This is the best option. While you run the risk of losing the argument and getting lynched, you have a lot of agency over what happens because you are actively taking the fight to your opponent. The more skilled you are, the more rewarding this option is.
2. Sit back and parrot others’ defense of you. This option is subpar, but you can get away with it on occasion; your odds are significantly better if you are a noob, since people expect less from you. Since you are relying on others to make your case for you, you have less agency over what happens. This is what players of lesser skill (usually noobs) tend to go for.
3. Become silent and hope for the best. This is a bad choice. If you are doing this, you are in a desperate situation. You can’t defend yourself because you aren’t skilled enough, and no one else can make a passable case for you, probably because there isn’t one. You may have been playing like an egregious town idiot, but you’re probably scum and on the verge of getting lynched. You have no agency whatsoever, all you can do is passively hope town gets distracted.
4. Make an argument that is completely irrelevant and fallacious. This is a horrible choice. You are trying to do something to help your case, but in reality you’re just flailing about, hoping town decides to believe you for whatever nonsensical reason. You spent all the at time typing up a post, and what did you do with it? Nothing useful, so now you’ve wasted the time of the players who read it as well. Not only have you demonstrated that you have no case for your own innocence, you have also demonstrated that you would rather actively distract from the issue than address any arguments. You look scummy for it. You have agency; the problem is, you’ve used it to drive any logically thinking player away from your side of the argument.
This is part of why Casey flipped on you, and it’s part of why I eventually flipped on you. You started off with option #2, but your post about Pie being the big bad man was nothing more than option #4. Pie being a man and you being a woman has nothing to do with who’s mafia and who’s town. It simply isn’t relevant to discussion town is trying to have, so bringing up that red herring/ad hominem combo will make you look scummy. In most cases where option #4 rears its ugly head, it’s because noob scum has been caught and they don’t know what to do at all.
I don’t blame you for playing like a noob; you are one. But please: Recognize the fact that you lost this game based on your poor performance, not sexism from others.
I’m sorry to hear you are quitting mafia. As badly as I just tore into your play this game, I think you have potential to be a good player, and I think your town play is pretty good compared to most noobs. Your scum play needs work, but that’s all the more reason to play more games and hopefully get practice there. If you ever want to return to playing mafia, the door’s always open for you.
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Idt I’ve ever played in an Earth game.
I’ll try
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@iamanabanana
I hope you were just trying to pull a psychological tactic back there.
I’ve known Pie for eight years. He treated you no different than he would anyone else.
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I wasn’t right on all my reasons for Whiteflame but I take credit for it.
I called out the JOAT but it’s honestly not that impressive. If you look at Banana’s claim and justification from any sort of mafia lens, the JOAT becomes obvious imo
Banana didn’t do that well, but that’s more or less expected of rookie scum
The setup looks fine to me.
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@ILikePie5
Hey I put Banana back on your radar tho
But you did the bulk of the work on Banana, thx
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@Earth
I saw the start of the Great Media Cope last night.
A few wise voices were saying the blue party needs to reset, that perhaps they went a little too far.
Those voices were quickly taken with a grain of salt by the CNN panel; of which one entertaining fellow cried about racism and sexism from the red party.
“I’m thinking of some of the horrid stuff Donald Trump has said… could a black female get away with what he said? I don’t think so.”
Paraphrasing, but that’s pretty much it.
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@WyIted
nah the leftist media is just huffing a mix of hopium and copium
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270 still has him at 270.
AP and other leftist media have at 246.
I can understand their hesitancy, but I think it’s over. Period.
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Trump is also leading by a couple good points in all remaining swing states.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
270 called it as well.
270 has been early to most of the calls, but they have been right in all of them so far.
270 also just officially called Alaska for Trump.
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