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@whiteflame
@Casey_Risk
You know what? If Banana's first, she can pick the next target then.
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@ILikePie5
Why can this not be a scumtell from a noob scum. If you’re going to chalk it up to her being a noob, she is just as likely to make the mistake as scum
Noted, but I also get the frustration a little bit from the town perspective. The initial arguments still aren't that great.
OMGUS? Really? For someone who criticized me for being inactive, which I was? Lol
I'm calling it OMGUS because of the way you took it.
I’m not claiming before Banana. And even if she does claim, I will make a decision about character claiming vs role claiming.
You're really not in a position for this, but I am willing to get Banana's first if you still claim. I assume that her claim is the one you're picking here?
I started responded when I got home after a 3 hour drive. If you think I’m lying about being in Austin, I can show you my phone records and bank statement
I believe that part. I just think your push on Banana is still fairly unbelievable, so it strikes me as one that was done quickly without too much thought.
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13.5 hours. Gotta make a decision soon. We have some time, but be careful how yall spend it. I guess I should include myself too
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It was really all due to post 176. I really did not like the strong aggressive turn that Banana made. Just a clear OMGUS.
Not really. Pie started the OMGUS.
Actually, I also noticed that WF was the one who said we didn't have much time left in the DP, only to then agree with Pie somewhat on pushing Banana, but not actually cast a vote for her. I thought that was strange.
Noted.
Interesting, but I'm not sure what the point of this is. What makes you think he's going to pick anyone other than Banana?
He's likely to pick Banana, but I want to make the deal a little sweeter top incentivize a claim from him. I want at least two people in my pool to claim, preferably two people on opposite side of the dynamic. It will help me analyze my own theories about who could be teamed up with who.
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Thoughts?
I am open to alternative compromises... I just want the players in my pool examined.
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Lowkey, I can see Banana+Casey and Pie+Owen. Whiteflame is floating somewhere around the pool.
I'm liking Vader as town. Of note was his concession to me about Owen, and his concession to Casey, even if I'm up in the air about that one. I am starting consider that there may be more to his FoS on Owen than I initially considered... maybe Vader is onto something. More on that later.
For reasons already stated, there's a lot giving me pause on pushing for Casey or Banana...
I'm also not following his logic on Banana that much. Keep in mind that her posts about Pie were after I mentioned there's someone not getting this game going... she and Casey kinda riffed off each other... however, even Pie saw himself as the guy I was talking about... so how much are they really copying off each other? I clearly conditioned everyone to think about who's hiding a little too much; the fact that three people concluded it was Pie (including Pie himself) tells me that the narrative collusion may be more of something that everyone saw, ie, a coincidence.
Another thing about Pie is that he's great at arguing... but when his logic isn't as airtight, it's usually a sign he's scum in my book. He's made a few decent points, but they are in rebuttal to some of Casey's poorer defenses of Banana. His starting points were horrid. I don't see how Banana is pushing aggressively, and I don't see how her behavior is inconsistent... I can kinda see a teensy tiny bit of his points, but it overwhelminghly looks like he's making mountains out of molehills.
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As I'm typing this, the dynamic has shifted a little. Banana has become aggressive in attacking Pie and defending herself... an an emotional level, her response makes sense imo. She's not countering Pie's points all that well, but she is relying on the idea that Pie's points being ridiculous are self evident.
Of more note is the fact that Casey has is now being pushed in agreement with Pie, in her own words. I was being drawn back into a conditional scumread of her by association with Banana, in the event Pie is innocent. But now her turn is weird. I don't like that either, and keep in mind she is in position to flip between Pie and Banana all she wants if both of them are innocent and she's scum.
The big thing about Casey is her claim of negative town utility that could result in her being a good choice for a lynch is giving me a lot of pause. And yet, everything else about her behavior doesn't seem right to me. Perhaps was feeling a bit more pressure than I felt was on her and decided to gambit. I said it was hard to believe earlier, but nothing else about her adds up.
And then there's Whiteflame in the mix now. The second Casey might turn on Banana, he's her to somewhat agree with her, but not go too far. This is a pattern I've seen from him all game long and it almost feels like he's too scared to scumread someone outright. I'm also noting the subtle pushback I got from him when I was beginning to sus Casey. I can see a Casey+Whiteflame team to replace my theory of Casey+Banana.
Of course there's also the fact that Whiteflame now has the greenlight to pursue Banana if he's teamed of with Pie, now that Casey is showing signs of changing her mind. I can see Pie+Whiteflame as well.
Of course this means that there are three people on Banana. I can't completely ignore that, because it means there is at least one town perspective that doesn't like Banana. I will admit her early logic on Pie is pretty bad. I chalk that up to poor logic... I'm not sure she's developed that skill yet, so I do have lower expectations. I'm still leaning town on her, but I am at least a little bit open to some better arguments against her, or at least better explanations of some of the already stated arguments.
Going back to Pie, I can't see a good reason to townread him. I don't like his lynch logic at all and I hate the OMGUS. He's the only person who has no solid town argument in my book and thus, my top scumread.
As for Owen, Whiteflame is now competing with him for the possible teammate if Pie's scum. But it should be noted that Pie immediately started to push Banana the second a wagon on Owen developed. Regarding Vader's FoS on Owen, one thing worth noting is that what little he has posted achieves nothing. One can brush this off as him being cautious, but then there's his justification: He wants to get good and avoid being the information lynch. Both of these are nice, but it doesn't really explain sitting back in my book. If want to get good and avoid being the information lynch, look for more things to thin about and give thoughts on. That's how you good, and I'm really not liking the cognitive dissonance here. It should also be noted that Pie rebuttal to Casey's arguments about Banana may or not argue could be applied to Owen. Pie was inactive, the lack of guidance could influence Owen behavior here.
And no, I'm not gonna imply Vader is Owen's teammate. Everything so far is pointing to Vader being town in my book. Wylted is greater town in my book, and Moozer is the towniest of all; both are for reason I've already explained. Might as well mention them here since I'm going through my thoughts on everyone.
All in all, I want to pressure Pie for a claim.
VTL Pie
However, I will not deny that they dynamics here are complicated. I have a five-man pool of Pie, Owen, Whiteflame, Casey, and Banana, with nuanced thoughts on all of them.
It is here where I propose a compromise: After Pie claims, I would like him to pick someone for us to pressure. I strongly prefer a player in my pool, but I am willing to let him go outside of it. My only stipulation is that Moozer is off the table completely.
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Hm, it is hard to believe Casey is gambiting as scum by claiming negative utility and saying she should be the lynch if no one else is a good target.
Alright, I'll go slight town to null for now
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Alright, hold on a sec... lemme go read into the Owen wagon and Banana vs Pie
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been with a girlCitation neededCall your mother
Hide yo girl, hide yo mother; he be giving all the huzz a piece of that Pie
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@Casey_Risk
Got it. 8 years of playing mafia and I’m still learning new terminology…
I’m not really satisfied with that and would like to hear your role. The defense only addressed one of my points and negative utility is all the more reason to claim imo… I wouldn’t too much stock into whatever your alleged plan is
And yet, here I am unwilling to pressure that much further. For one, I would like to at least try and figure things out myself before pressuring you for it (on the off chance you’re town and I’m underestimating your plan)… and the rest of town is fixated on someone else, so they don’t seem too set on pressuring/lynching you, at least not yet.
Unvote for now
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I’ll back off. If not, my vote stays and it’ll take a reasonable claim to save her
Unless no one else wants to pressure, but then I suggest yall find someone better to pressure if this turns out to be the case. Again, there’s 20 hours left.
Bye for now
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If Casey can sufficiently address my concerns about her, I’ll back off. If not, my vote stays and it’ll take a reasonable claim to save her.
I’ll give her time to type and y’all time to think, cause I also just want to take a nap. Stayed up too late typing up reads and had to wake up early for church.
I won’t sleep too long; I know we’ve only got 20 hours.
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@Casey_Risk
Can you explain your thoughts on my scumread of you and make a case you being town?
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@Vader
I’m not seeing what you’re seeing here on Casey. To me the questions she’s asked this DP don’t look vague. They look like blend-in behavior, except with her questioning on Moozer, which looks like probing.
I think I’d like to start pressuring her for a claim.
VTL Casey
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@Vader
I say this: I understand your point and it’s worth revisiting later, but I’m not seeing any real red flags for now. In fact, looking back his posts, I’m feeling at least at tiny bit better about him after he posted his thoughts. They’re not much, but they do come off as honest, albeit low effort.
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@Vader
Last time I was a mafioso, I was on a team with you and Pie if I recall.
We made some mistakes and Pie carried us to victory lol.
As for your FoS on Casey, can you expand?
And for your FoS on Owen… I’m not suspicious. We’ll see what he says as the game goes on, but I would expect him to be hanging back a bit more after what happened in his last game. I’m not saying he’s done anything to get me to townread him, just that I can see him playing with little confidence, no matter his affiliation.
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@Owen_T
@iamanabanana
Thoughts on others’ behavior?
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@WyIted
One last thing:
Thoughts? I want to know what you are seeing in particular.
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As for the course of action, I’m okay with pressuring Casey or pressuring an inactive.
I’ll make a decision in the morning.
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Moozer- Hard town. He claimed a role that is confirmable, and says it’s townie. If anything, he’s giving away too much information in Post #57. Given what he’s said- we have a dichotomy: Either he’s telling the truth, or he’s already got an extremely good fakeclaim already… the former of which is FAR more likely. I think he’s giving away too much information because he’s too eager to get himself confirmed. Moozer, please stop giving away too much info. We believe you.
In general I’m gonna be hard pressed to scumread someone who claimed a fonfirmable role right off the rip. I think a mafioso would wait longer before doing something like that. Plus, there’s also just town vibes I’m getting from him.
Wylted- Town. Early on he didn’t do much, but I believe his explanation for that. I’m not going to go into that any further.
Outside of that, it looks like standard Wylted play. Obviously he’s latched onto my read of Casey pretty fast, but that’s normal for him. I like how he’s trying to set activity goals for Banana and I like how he corrected Lunatic on the vote count when he could’ve done that in a scum PM easily if he was a mafioso. Finally, he also urged town to stop claiming albums, believing that would help mafia fake claim. I know Whiteflame made a good point about why that may not be the case, but here’s the thing about that: If Whiteflame is correct, it’s moot; if Wylted is correct, he’s helped town. Regardless, the effort seems genuine.
Banana- Slight town. I like how she questioned Wylted and I on our votes- she clearly picked up there was a reason for our votes… which is a sign she’s really trying to read people.
Yes, I will confirm I told a half truth about that being an RVS. I was testing her reaction like an RVS sure, but I’m ngl, I didn’t like her opening at first. I felt like it was a “look at me, I’m doing something” post. But compared to how everyone else started the game, it looks good in comparison.
The more I think about that opening, the more I like it. Now it just looks like a question she asked to start some kind of conversation- she might’ve picked up that opening from Pie, although Pie normally asks noobs about their mafia experience when he does that. It doesn’t do much to actually get the ball rolling, but it’s something I guess. Honestly, I think I’ll chalk up my earlier game misread on that to Early DP1 Paranoia.
I also like how she’s cooperating with Wylted. Admittedly, my case on her towniness is weaker than those on Moozer and Wylted, but there really no red flags i’m seeing compared to these tiny green flags.
Owen- Null: Has said some stuff, but none of it is interesting to me.
Vader- Null: Inactive, which I am sadly not surprised by. How annoying. I know he’s usually pretty busy, but still.
Pie- Null: I am surprised by his inactivity. However, I wouldn’t be suspicious of it like others have said. I’ve never seen him be this inactive, town or mafioso… which just means it doesn’t indicate anything about his affiliation. Also a little annoying, but I’m also wondering what’s going on with him.
Whiteflame- Null: Initially, I had him down as ever so slight town, that’s so close to 50/50 I might as well call it that.
I there’s some things to be said about his willingness to claim album when we thought it was a good idea, and I also think there’s something to be said about his subtle pushback on some of my ideas. The thing is, I can see everything he’s done as something he could do as either affiliation. He’s more interesting than Owen, but there’s just not any green or red flags I’m getting from him.
Casey: Slight scum: It feels like every time someone has an idea or a question, she must go along with it. It feels like blend-in behavior, the way she’s been copying Banana… there’s just no original ideas from her.
The other thing is how she was questioning Moozer… I really don’t like that. That looks like probing more than anything else.
Finally, there’s been like a couple times where I’ve posted something and she’s popped online to respond pretty quick, then went offline. This last time, she didn’t respond, but I think she was anticipating me to post these reads a bit sooner.
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@Owen_T
I'd like to see what he thinks, too.
But first, imma post my detailed reads.
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@Moozer325
I wouldn't say that's the reason he does it... but he does do it often yeah
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@whiteflame
As claiming albums, I can see how it could make picking fake claims easier for scum, but the lack of a theme split means scum have little incentive to fake their character claims to begin with.
Hm. This is also a good point.
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Alright I’ll spill the beans.
It was actually no one in particular… I just got the feeling that at least one person (maybe two) out of the group of Wylted, Pie, Casey, Banana, and Whiteflame was scum and waiting for town to get the ball rolling.
I was hoping the people among that 5 would try to guess the one person I’m thinking of, and in their discussion I would be able to sit back and observe, which is what I wanted to do all along.
But its now halfway through the DP and I didn’t get a whole lot to observe, at least not to extent I was hoping for.
That being said, I still got to observe a small amount of behavior from the people in my group.
I’m leaning town on Wylted, slight town on Banana, and ever so slight town on Whiteflame.
I’m null on Pie; he’s completely inactive, but I am also a little annoyed that he’s inactive.
I’m leaning slight scum on Casey.
And I guess I’ll finish my reads. I’m hard town reading Moozer, and Owen is null. Vader is also null, but I’m annoyed with his inactivity.
I’ll explain those reads a bit more later.
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@WyIted
Ohhhh I see what you mean.
Yeah, I’ll second what Wylted said.
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@Casey_Risk
Post 25 was directed at you. My b for the lack of clarity
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I feel like we’re all waiting for the game to actually start.
Which is annoying to me, because in the past few games I’ve played I’ve found like to sit back and observe the early DP, and now everyone else wants to do it now, which completely ruins it.
I get the sense that someone is trying to blend in instead of getting the game going. You can all guess on who I’m thinking of.
Discuss.
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I’m inclined to believe Moozer. I know role confirmation isn’t the same as affiliation confirmation, but I get a towny vibe from his posts. All two of them, that is.
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@iamanabanana
I listened to the song I got, and I have also listened to "welcome to the internet" and that one song about killing yourself... pretty sure those two are his most viral songs.
Outside of that, nothing. He know he's a comedian and a singer/songwriter, but I haven't seen or listened to anything of his, outside of what I mentioned.
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Current Mafia:
None
Signups:
Lunatic - Bo Burnham Songs
In the Hopper:
Earth - Paper Mario Mafia
Mharman - Gunplay Mafia
Cerulean - Albums Mafia
On Hold:
None
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damn that's crazy bro
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@Sidewalker
You are retarded if you think that LMAO
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