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@WyIted
You’re thinking of Banana.
Casey claimed negative utility before we were on Banana.
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I mean I guess his role isn’t pure negative town, but neither is Casey’s… the justification is still shaky and the behavior behind it doesn’t add up.
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@Vader
@ILikePie5
@Casey_Risk
@Moozer325
@iamanabanana
My vote on Whiteflame stays. Who is brave enough to hammer, in the event his role is real (somehow)?
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1. It’s a “noooooo don’t lynch me” type of claim
2. In both Banana and Pie’s claims, justifications up to this point have referred to lyrics in the song. Mine does as well. Whiteflame’s claim does not.
3. This is another negative town utility role, and a strong one at that. Casey already claimed one and her behavior creates a much stronger town argument for her imo. Two negative town roles may be possible, but with one of them being that punishing… it’s hard to see that.
4. If Whiteflame’s role really is true, he has a better shot at hitting scum if he keeps it a secret. Letting himself get lynched is the better play if a late wagon is formed on him imo. Because his behavior doesn’t match the role, I’m inclined to think he’s lying about it.
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aight, goodnight, double for real this time
in fact, triple
I'm counting on the rest of you, town. Manage your time wisely. Balance thinking and doing.
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@Casey_Risk
TBH I have a slight scumleaning on all the players who aren't very interested in my lynch. Scum don't generally want neg town utility players out DP1, or even at all before MYLO/LYLO if they can help it. The fact that WF doesn't seem to care about me at all is actually a bad sign in my book.
I am feeling a bit better about you and trusting this more. Whiteflame is a high scumread for me, and this is just another good point
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@ILikePie5
@Casey_Risk
ah. I'm not sure if I'm willing to wait for that... I might be, depending on what happens with Whiteflame
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@ILikePie5
Wait, you talking tomorrow as in Nov 4 or DP2?
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@ILikePie5
okay, if you say so. I'm still open-minded
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@Casey_Risk
lol i just have so many small thoughts I want to say
I guess I'll include Banana in post 330 as well, but to a lesser extent. I'm honestly still liking her behavior more than Pie
Any questions, Casey? Or anyone? Imma sit here and go to be at midnight, and set an alarm for 7:00... I'll sac an hour of sleep for this
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@Casey_Risk
That's confusing to me as well. I don't fully understand what's going on there, but at the same time, I think it would be anti-town to openly speculate too much.I don't think Pie is going to claim further today. If we're going to push someone else for a claim, I think it ought to be Whiteflame. I still have a town leaning on Owen (albeit mostly a gutread) but WF is still very null to me.
oh and about this, this is more or less my mindset... although I would be open-minded to Pie as scum if I were you, given what I said in post 326
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@Lunatic
Vote count? I know you're a night owl, so hopefully you're here.
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@Casey_Risk
ok... I'll leave a vote overnight to help out with this.
Unvote VTL Whiteflame
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12 hours left... that gives 4 hours to secure a lynch in the morning, if I get 8 hours of sleep. Obvious math is obvious, and I'll have to rely on same owls and early birds if I want a lynch that'll get me some information that'll help solve this gamer, hopefully get a successful lynch on scum as well.
So here is my message for the rest of town: If you can't figure anything out, I'll guess we can lynch Casey, as she's proposed. However, I would like for you guys to look into Whiteflame and Pie. My alarm bells are back on Pie, and I'm really not liking Whiteflame rn.
One more thing: Between Banana, Pie, and I... it doesn't look like there's room for the three of us.
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I reckon it'd be a good tradeoff from his perspective is Banana got lynched.
*if, not is
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I wouldn't be opposed to pushing Casey either, but I prefer Whitelfame. Owen, less so at this point. I think we have more information to gain elsewhere.
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It's really late in the DP and we need to lynch someone in the morning. I kinda want to pressure Whiteflame for a claim; I don't think we're looking into him enough. Everything he has done this game is just super convenient for him if he's scum.
I also don't understand why Pie is holding off pushing for a Banana lynch, given what he just said. If I'm picking up what he's putting down, I reckon it'd be a good tradeoff from his perspective is Banana got lynched.
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@ILikePie5
ok but please tell me if you can answer the above question
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@ILikePie5
Well I’ll just say that Luna refers to himself as the “God” in my PM
Okay. This isn't what jumped to my mind, but that's interesting and I'll give you a temporary pass.
Can you say why you don't like Banana's claim?
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@Casey_Risk
Town idiot. Town players who are playing poorly, usually noobs.
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@Vader
I'd agree if this was in DP2-3. But in DP1 I can't say I've seen him use the meta
I guess the argument here is that he'll only get a temporary pass for lynching a TI, and that he needs less DP's to maximize the temp cred he'll get for saying "not my fault this person got lynched for playing like an idiot."?
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@Vader
@ILikePie5
@WyIted
@Moozer325
I don’t like the claim. But I’m willing to give the benefit of the doubt since it’s a PR.I’m “From God’s Perspective”
Now this is a puzzle. I'll hold off on asking for a full claim for a few minutes because I do need to think about the alarm bells this is ringing for me.
To the people I townread: You picking up what I'm putting down, guys?
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@Vader
Thought I will say, I have a slight town read on Pie. I feel like his kind of relentless pressure reads a bit more into his town play rather than his scum play. Plus I feel like if he was scum would've said/done something as scum when he was with gf to not draw the inactivity off him. Idk this is just a gut feeling for that part.
I don't really agree with either of these points. If he's dedicated to the girl enough to not post a morsel as town, I don't think he'd do it as scum. As for relentless pressure, no. Pie is bold and will fight tooth and nail for mislynches and blame the mislynch on Banana's town idiocy the next DP. It's very common for scum to use TIs like this and I know Pie has done it before.
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@Vader
@ILikePie5
@WyIted
Neither of you are opposed to it, and Banana wants it. I told her her full claim saved her, so a deal's a deal to her.
VTL Pie
Your turn.
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My town bloc is Banana, Moozer, Wylted, and Vader. In that order, as long as Banana isn't counter-claimed.
I do think there's two scum between Pie, Whiteflame, Owen and Casey.
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@WyIted
Is this just how you'd read yourself from an outside perspective?
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@WyIted
??? Why am I more towny than you in your own book lol. I'm happy that everyone recognizes me as town, but my brother in Christ, you got mod confirmation of yourself.
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@Vader
@WyIted
You too Vader. I've still got half a mind to ush Pie for a claim, but I want feedback on that first. If you have alternative target, I'm all ears.
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@WyIted
Can you tell me more about your thoughts on the others?
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@iamanabanana
Do you want us to pressure Pie for a full claim? I will at least consider it.
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@Vader
@ILikePie5
@iamanabanana
Pushing people to be active by getting them to claim makes it so that since they are inactive, they will have a harder time thinking of a claim if they are scum. If they aren't active, then you lynch dead weight. Scum reading for activity is scummy and anti town. And Pie's basis for voting you is not just because he voted youI think everyone should at least take note of what Vader is saying here. I know I am.
Then again, I will say that taking notes on why Banana's reason on Pie was bad to start with doesn't necessarily justify a scumread of its own. I do ultimately expect more logical pushes from Pie than I do Banana.
I've seen Pie uses TIs for pushes a lot, so I'm not gonna put it past him to be using Banana here.
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@Vader
@ILikePie5
@iamanabanana
Pushing people to be active by getting them to claim makes it so that since they are inactive, they will have a harder time thinking of a claim if they are scum. If they aren't active, then you lynch dead weight. Scum reading for activity is scummy and anti town. And Pie's basis for voting you is not just because he voted you
I think everyone should at least take note of what Vader is saying here. I know I am.
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@iamanabanana
I am "welcome to the internet".I am a reporter, because the internet gives us a little bit of everything all of the time, and we have the whole world of information at our fingertips. Each night I can select a player and I will be told if they acted at night or not.
Oh damn. I can see this if no one counterclaims.
I'm down to revisit pushing someone of your choice. However I want you to answer one question: Is there anything that makes you townread Owen, Casey, or Whiteflame? If not, would you consider choosing them over Pie?
I want you to think on your reads here, because Pie's push on you is looking a little better now, because I don't like your defense now and am wondering if his push was understandable from a town perspective. Please take some actual time to think before giving an answer here. 10-20 minutes would be good.
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@iamanabanana
The gender part is what you latched onto, but the point remains the same. Could be the man accusing the woman and the woman doubling down.
Yeah, I'm not viewing this conflict from that kinda lens. Absolutely not. The fact that you would go for an argument so illogical is a sign of desperation. Did I note that you didn't really defend yourself with any good arguments earlier? I think I did.
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@WyIted
@iamanabanana
Just as a matter of principle if she doesn't claim in 15 minutes she should be the lynch. I would honestly prefer to lynch Pie but she needs to be a team player here
I'll hammer myself if needed.
The time is now Banana. Full claim please. I'm not even offering you anything in return at this point; I'm demanding. We can revisit w deal to get someone else of your choice to claim if you are saved by your full claim.
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@WyIted
Holy shit glad your corporate HR's not here to hear this joke... it's so funny they'd want to hear it too
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@iamanabanana
It's like a woman catches a man cheating, he turns around and calls her the cheater, only for mountains of evidence to later come out that the man was indeed cheating. This type of thing literally happens all the time IRL, don't see why it would be different here. Pie is being extremely defensive.
??? Or maybe he just didn't like his push on you. That's just OMGUS, and it happens male-to-male all the time. It's usually scummy, but it can be towny and now I'm thinking I might flip on you.
What a horrible defense.
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@iamanabanana
I am fine with giving my character. I am "welcome to the internet". I am not giving more though, because I do not feel there is adequate reason for me to do so.
Wait this is kinda sus. I've listened to this song.
Banana, since you voluntarily claimed, Imma say I want a full claim from you now. You can get a full claim from someone else in return. Preferably my pool.
You did say you were willing to claim ealier, and you seemed confident back when the wagon was more on Pie... what's stopping you from honoring that? I'm not looking to hear there's no reason for you to fullclaim... that's not good enough now, considering your character claim.
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