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Played with Luna enough to know he questions everything. Also this gambit is up his alley. 

That riddle is bastard modding period. If written by the mod. 


Its way to obvious. 


Either insta kills a townie first np
Or brings susc to them as scum 

It's why I think mafia could submit it. 


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Was literally typing this and you beat me to it. Was trying to figure out how to frame it. Lynching luna lets us see how accurate the riddles are. Even if I'm wrong we get knowledge but everything about him accepting it bugs me. 



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@LikeMagic
This x 10
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@mod time left?

Also I want to see what pie says when he comes back. Before I read more. Its all circular at this point. 

We have to lynch. It's 11 but it should not be pie. Scum or not , it will solve itself later. 


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@Lunatic
If he is hunter and reads wrong we lose 2 town

If he is jester then idc either way 

I don't think danielle copied the role you were last game. 

What is likely going to happen. 

He is telling the truth which is why he wants to be lynched. He won't die. 

Then we are going to sit around with our thumbs up our ass trying to figure out if we believe him or not to get to the conclusion that role confirmation is not affiliation confirmation to likely lynch him either way 


Let this solve itself and not waste 2 dps 

Or a very likely misvig if he's a hunter. It practically stumps me you are saying there is a hunter and you are willing to let him shoot blindly because "he trusts his reads" 

Wtf lmao.  What reads. He hasn't even been in the dp other than to claim that or see the results of what has happened. 



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@Lunatic
That shit is 3 years ago. We have did some crazy stuff in live mafia since then with fuckery and ways to town confirm yourself as mafia and she has been in nearly every game 
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@Lunatic
That's entirely my point. Then why waste a lynch on him when it solves itself and we won't waste 2 dps if he is telling the truth about lp
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@Lunatic
Not saying she is a bastard mod. But I can see her putting a role in the game where mafia can write a riddle. She literally made one in live mafia (or was in one) where I could send posts from the mod a week or two ago. 
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Doesn't have to be this np, can be the next one. 

But he's a likely target for investigation

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@Lunatic





Cop

Why in the fuck would we waste 2 dps when he's going to get investigated if we leave him alone. 

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@Lunatic
Re : what role solves this without wasting 2dps?
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@Lunatic
What's an easier assumption to make that may exist in a 11 person game ?


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When I read this post #12 from luna really bothered me and I couldn't pin point why. Now it really bothers me even more. 
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@Lunatic
There is a large number of insane reasons but trying to think plausibly. 

To me (occam's razor) 

He wants to confirm himself


Noob town 
Scumcred

Would scum have a lp or dp? I doubt it. He's not fake claiming as scum because he would have to be willing to die. Why would he sac himself first dp in the first few pages with no reads or roles?

So his role is probably accurate







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@Lunatic
I can't see mafia having that role tbh. Maybe I'm wrong. But really second guessing it based on balance. 

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Vtl luna 

I don't buy the riddle. 

I also think him pushing for us to waste 2 dps with his level of mafia experience is shady af 

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@SirAnonymous
Danielle is apart of our live games. She knows all this. 

And luna is big at gambling. It just seems way to obvious to insta town confirm a player that way as a mod. It basically confirms him as the first nk

I'm okay with lynching luna actually
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@SirAnonymous
Bro I've seen roles that mafia get where they can confirm themselves constantly. Like re writing flips and stuff 

It would not surprise me in the slightest if mafia have a roll that allows them to post the first riddle 

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Any half intelligent mafia player can likely make an assumption about a big game like this. And if that assumption is true, it solves our issue (or potentially solves it )

Why people want to waste 2 dps to push us to mylo with the little information we have atm bothers me 

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@Lunatic
I'm not down with that. If we are wrong, we are at mylo and there is no way to test this claim. 

There is a much easier way to solve this and you can figure that out. Why do you want to waste 2 dps?

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@MisterChris
I think he's lp or dp. This is after reflection and seeing this dp play out. Dp could make sense as town (danielle could use it after seeing it in the other game )


And yes I think he's just stupid. 

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@SirAnonymous
That's what I mean. Scum has wasted 2 dps. 

I want to look at this later but I think luna can be scum. 

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Scum would want this lynch because they know he's telling the truth. 

1) it would remove his protection if it's 1x and they can nk

2) they can literally waste 2 dps worth of lynched and make the argument that roll confirmation is not affiliation confirmation

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@MisterChris
If we are wrong we basically lose the game. I'm Starting to wonder if a mod would give a lynch proof to scum. 

I'm starting to think he's town and 2 people on this wagon are scum 

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I also don't buy any of the other roles Connor presented. Hunter for example, would only benefit him in a self lynch if he knew who to target or if a power role was out. 
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@LikeMagic
Good question

I think we have to ask ourself what does testing do for us. Testing him doesn't confirm him. So are we willing to lynch him twice (2dps) to actually kill him if he's scum. 

If we are wrong and he's town , we basically have fucked the game. 

The more I think about it , the more I think he's just dumb 

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@MisterChris
Don't you call her old. Fight me bitch
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@Speedrace
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@Danielle
I love you 
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@Vader
O christ my brain just melted from reading that. 

Be purged 

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@MisterChris
That on balance is what I'm saying. Agree with nearly all of it. The only difference being is i doubt he's deathproof as mafia because why would the mod give mafia a protection from a nk unless there is a vig. It seems like he's rushing to town confirm himself instead of doing something that has pro town utility 

I can't imagine deathproof is perma , or that is just borderline bastard modding unless there is something to counter balance it (strong man etc)


I've never seen deathproof ever. I've heard luna talk about it in discord but never played in a game with one. Have played with lynch proof though. Usually 1x

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Now all we need is to sub drafter in for oro so he can quit after 1 dp because I insulted him
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Amended 



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@Speedrace
Supa is as slow as nevada's poll counters. We have to give him the benefit of the doubt. 
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@SirAnonymous
You can be my spitroast anyday 
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@Vader
There was was this boy name supa 
Who looked like bowser shat out a koopa
He was weird as fuck and all his rhymes did suck 
So when we lynched him, all the people said hallelujah

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@MisterChris
This is Joe bidens america. We sniff people here. 
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@SirAnonymous
To clarify , for mafia to kill him (if he's town) they would have to actively choose to waste a nk. One to break his deathproof. Would be a lot easier to force a mislynch

I'm assuming dp is some 1x roll. It's fucking retard mode if that is perma. 



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If I click the flag and type homo alert does that get sent to them?
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@Vader
I reported you to the mobs for being a homo
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@SirAnonymous
1) yes , multiple times

2) if he's town , mafia will not kill him. They will force a mislynch 

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@Vader
If you had to lick a pineapple or bite a tomato, how many times would you probe it before you cried?
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@SirAnonymous
Him not dying does not confirm him. Scum can easily be lynch proof. If he is scum that's likely he's role. A scum would not claim that without being willing to be tested. 

If he is town then we waste a way to force mafia to kill how we want 

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Also

Vtl max 

For being a jew 

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@Lunatic
Yeah it's possible she pmene danielle prior to posting. Danielle is not active now which was why I did it but I guess she could have texted her 
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@SirAnonymous
She called magic hot and then went on a rant about yyw being unbearable if I recall but nothing about the game 
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I just can't solidify my read on our as stupid or scum.

Not sure what to do tbh
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Test*
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