Mikal

I actually am torn from pie being a retard and pie being scum

I don't buy he is big brain , he likes trump. He's like a borderline neanderthal. I mean if you give a monkey a pen, it can write it's name once in a century but I just don't buy it. 

My hesitation is that he could be town and stupid and if we don't text it then it's basically a target mafia can't hit. 

She would have. It was a reaction test 

I'm not talking about it with someone outside the game. I'm talking about a read based on an outside conversation. Entirely different. That rule states I can't message you on discord and ask who you think scum is. Not that I can't meta the mod for being a drunkard 

Scum would probably be able to analyze what roles they have, the utility they have , and possible fake claims to tell what is in the game. 

Magic is scum so she would probably have that knowledge so it makes sense 

Or he has a role that allows scum to post the op

I don't read it as that 

1) I think he actually got the role and is just stupid 

2) or he is scum and trying to farm cred and is equally as stupid. 

Which of those 2 depends on how bad of a player he is. 

Also how retarted is pie. I know he likes trump so it could be up there on the autistic scale.

I wonder if he just wants to confirm himself and I'm overthinking it. 

I just can't imagine him not baiting a nk as town unless he's supa bad. And I know how meme worthy mafia is on this site 

Also I was on discord with Danielle the night she made this game and she half ass implied magic was scum.

Something like 

"O great magic is going to hate not being town "

She was smashes out of her mind drunk so not sure how much I count that either. 

Meta af luna did message me in discord and ask me to post. I think he would do this as town or scum but he could have easily tried to mislynch me. 

He will always try to kill inactive as scum so it's hard to draw much from it but slight mental cred 

Granted this was at a glance at I'll fully read over this after work. The 4 things that stick out to me

1) supa is always better dead than alive. He's a third imposter in any game he plays 

2) #amyconnorbarret is my bae 

3) the direct implication that Luna is town bugs me. I almost wonder if mafia have a roll that enables them to submit the post. Doubtful but in my head 

4) pie is probably scum

Sorry didn't even know this started. And have a friend in town , I'm up to page 3 and will post more as I finish reading. 

I think pie could be scum

I question the motivation of his claim and his willingness to test it. Could be a lynch proof scum. Can't fathom why he would not try and bait a night kill as town 

His are about live mafia specifically on a certain night. This is about actually getting the entire community on a different platform. 

This is Mikal

As some of you know we have a discord set up for some of the old school ddo members where we play live mafia and hang out on Fridays. I just overhauled it and set up a trial channel for forum mafia there and set up chat features for open topics.

The biggest complaint from the old crew I've heard is that this site is over moderated and no one wants to use it for that reason. Basically setting up a secondary option as a chat feature and mafia feature where people can hangout , play games, and argue with minimal oversight. 

I've gathered up a lot of the older members who are not active on here (most of you see some during live mafia ) and some of the new guys here 

Anyone is welcome. Just pm if you join the channel and I'll adjust roles. 

Consider it a off-site chat feature where you typically don't run the risk of censorship and being banned. Unless no one likes you then you may get the boot. (only happened once)

I don't use this site for a reason nor will I ever probably use it again. 

Enjoy the remnants of something you never had. 

That hit home didn't it. I bet it fucking hurts. 

That money got me out of a bad situation, fixed my life, and helped me get back on my feet. There is a reason why I still interact with the people who helped. It's the same people that refuse to talk to you. It's the same people I engage with on a day to day basis. It's the same people who would still help me on the drop of a dime, and the same people I would do the same for. 

Learn to form social connections instead of attacking everyone you disagree with and maybe people would like you more you fucking sociopathic weirdo

That being said, I will echo what lunatic said. You would not like it, nor would people like you as you have readily admitted. We will stay to our cliques and you can stay on this dead website that is attempting to mirror DDO which is something that it will never achieve. The reality is that you are still salty that you got perma banned for sociopathic behavior, and still try to insult the people that remind you of that ban. There is a reason why all of us met 6-8 years ago and still contact each other on a day to day basis. There is a reason why every site that has tried to replicate ddo has failed. There is a reason you were never apart of any of that nor never will be. 

Insult Connor all you want, insult me, hate max, do whatever you want. Sulk in your loneliness and relish the fact that you at least have a dead website to keep you company. 

His reply to you also showcases why it is a good idea. You make a comment and his first reaction is to say you have a small brain. I think everyone who plays with us is over drama related stuff and based on his prio actions on DDO and his current response to you I feel entirely justified. That is already additive to multiple people expressing an interest not to engage with him. 

As a note RM was banned because of my interactions with him in the past and 2 or 3 other people saying they would not have came or come if he participated in the game. On balance with that group of people, no one enjoys interacting with him and interjecting him into a situation where no one likes him is not a good idea. 

That is a summary as to why that happened. 

We use to do this randomly but it's become enough of a tradition that I can post about it now. On Friday nights roughly between 9-1 est , we have liva mafia games in a community discord. If you are interested let me or lunatic know and we can add you.  It's become basically static and almost every Friday now 

Just got in touch with him , he said he's swamped and probably won't have time to make it happen. 

That was to you not the op

To many rules for me my man xD. Zaradis is soon though and the chance of me not attacking someone is slim. I want to be unbanned for zaradis haha

I would vtl but I'm assuming a surrender means it is over. 

If not 

Just woke up. 

Good call draft

After the water death it was just poe from there 

Well played, ironically I thought everything he did was scummy and put it up to not knowing what he was doing. 

Gg town

also in case someone says me leaving so its scummy

posted it at the start of the game for this reason.

Anyway good luck drafter, game is in your hands

wrong day ignore that

also in case someone calls it scummy, that i'm going afk during the end of this

i posted wed and sunday nights i virtually can't do nothing as the game started

game is over

lynch oro and then super, we win

I won't be here to really input much as raid prep is starting in 15 , so it's on you to make the right call but really look over that and it will confirm what I'm saying 

If we need a lynch @ me or tag me in a post, and it will notify me via my email on my phone. When i get a stop point during raid, i'll put my vote in the order that you want

obv if its on of those 2

im nearly sure its oromagi though, because as I've said super is super. Either way we can't lose if you actually look back at how the game progressed and what connor said about having to confirm actions at night

Raid prep is starting in 20 mins and that dp was instant

We have won this game if you really read pack on the past day dayphases. We still have two shots to lynch. You are offline when this came up so you are 100 percent confirmed town, as mafia would have either submit / or waive an action to advance the game. You are not on, you are town

The same thing happened to me last night which is why I was confused about what day it was when I logged on 

This is my last post in DP2

Went to sleep right after that

woke up and posted this

If you read down from that, I still thought it was day phase 2 because I was looking at lunas notification and didnt notice it advanced. I was offline

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lynch off this and you when, Here i ask luna do actions have to be submitted or confirmed to advance the game

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That is 2 different times now that the game has advanced and both you and I were off during a nigh phase when it advanced 

me in night phase 2

you this past one

If water was inactive and he knew the lynch was going to go through either way because I was tagging everyone. 

I'm not fully fully convinced rag is town. I just think Oro is a better target. 

Anyway my wow raid starts very soon so will be off the rest of the night. May be able to respond but if I can it's super limited. 

rag is town i'm telling you. If he was scum he would have hammered drafter dp1

I didn't say it was. I'm saying your behavior would typically be scummy in the context that you aren't clueless. The issue is you just post stuff on a whim, or bandwagon, or don't really think or second guess what you are posting. Most everything I've ever seen you post or can remember you posting (not even just in this game but in others) is typically a gut feeling lacking hard analysis 

You yourself admit that, it's just how you play. Whether people have bad or good reads, or a bad thought process and good thought process, as long as they are posting and trying to interact you can read them. I largely have to throw that out the window with people like you and speedrace because its one liners or two or three sentences without any foundation for what you are posting

Again, that is why I think you town. Most everything you have did this game is scummy, but I don't even think you understand why it is and you are doing it because you are just you

Of course I'm mikal, I signed up for zaradis game and said that and you are in that game and saw me sign up. It's not a revelation of sorts

and you have played games with me a few lives and one forum and not to mention I've had the misfortune of reading a lot of games you were in. 

I'm town reading you because I consider you clueless (which you admit), I don't know why you would be fighting that when even you admit it haha

again just laying that out

last post was around 2 30 AM (when i went to sleep)

I woke up and was posting around 12 : 30 (when i woke up)

This is because i clicked the notification luna sent me for dp3 assuming it was the dp2 one (that brief confusion with me thinking speed was alive), because I had just woken up. Mafia have a role they must use for the np to end. With it ending as fast as it did, mafia submitted that role or waived that role because it was useless. I was not online or awake to push the action through or communicate on here. 

for confirmation

in theory even though night actions are useless now, all night actions would have to be submitted for the next day phase to begin, yes?

Also for what it matters for confirming myself

You can check my online time. I would not have been online to submit a night action (because asleep) and mafia would have had to submit one because sab would still have to submit a role

Yeah that ended so fast I entirely missed it. Posted in there last night as soon as luna posted it and then went to sleep. Woke up and saw notifications and started continuing where I left off thinking it was the same DP

that explains alot

I was responding to mentions and thought this was the same dp

holy shit fuck lmao

did speed ask to remove himself from the game?

I didn't even read the op post in this because I assumed there wouldn't be a night kill, but all the logic stays the same other than having 2 mislynches instead of 1

But how in the fuck did speed die?

I def didn't see that. How the fuck is dead if we lynched the only way to kill. 

I likely am forgiving super way more than I thought for being dumb, and just being all over the place. I have no idea how to look at his gameplay and i'm leaning toward the stuff he did that typically would look scummy if anyone else did it, is likely not scummy because he actually has no idea wtf he is doing. 

My choice this DP would be Oro, for the reasons listed in the above post. 

I would also say speed, but speed was actively on during that drafter lynch and didn't hammer when he had every reason to want to hammer

Just read over last dp. I realized I also probably portrayed this bad, when i was saying 6 to 2 and 5 to 2. I was referring to the total number of players vs the total number of mafia (6 total players, 2 total mafia), I did not clarify that and it made sense typing it but re reading that it could have been confusing

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On this post 

3/4 on water

people not on this post are something to look at because mafia would be hesitant to lynch their team (typically)

People not in on this lynch 

1. Me

2. Oro (first reason I have him on radar in hindsight)

3. Supa 

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I start the train on drafter

oro jumps in on this like 1 min after i post it, so he is heavily watching this dp. He had not posted for around 15 mins prior to this, and the second i put drafter up, he is typing within seconds to get this post up within a minute of me starting that)

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supa jumps on the train

Again I have such a hard time reading super because I don't know what is just him being supa or him actually trying to jump on a train. Again having played with him in both live mafia, and forum games before, he typically is all over the place

this brings the drafter vote to 3/4

with 

1. me

2. oro

3. supa

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Speedrace unvotes and says drafter is town and doesn't hammer. With drafter being offline, now talking myself through this as i'm reading and typing. I actually think speed is town. There is no reason for him not to hammer here, especially with him being afk and not posting anything of worth in the dp. He likely would have hammered here if he was mafia

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People who did not hammer drafter at this point

Ragnar - https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3828/role-pass-quickfire-dp1?page=6&post_number=130 (who was online during this point)

Speedrace - https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3828/role-pass-quickfire-dp1?page=6&post_number=131 (who also was online and claimed drafter was town to defend him as i said above)

Water - https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3828/role-pass-quickfire-dp1?page=6&post_number=134 (who turned out to be scum, but literally read like 3 lines this dp. I think he would have hammered, if he were active. He just likely had no idea what was going on)

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I second guess myself and unvote 

wanted drafter to defend himself first and i wanted to avoid a hammer

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I go back on drafter with like 25 mins left because I don't think he will respond and its the only lynch I think we would be able to get, and we had to lynch due to not lynching being retarted 

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Drafter Responds and I automatically unvote to give him a chance to defend himself before the lynch

Drafter responding - https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3828/role-pass-quickfire-dp1?page=7&post_number=153

Me unvoting - https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3828/role-pass-quickfire-dp1?page=7&post_number=154

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drafter responding to why lynch water

"Why not"

This means he is either just yolo lynching to try and get a lynch which would make sense due to us having to lynch or he targeted him with a bus knowing he was the gunsmith. Just to town confirm himself and ride the game out so he can win. He he bussed he wins, I tend to lean toward the former

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we end up voting water and oro is the very last vote

But that is after I was tagging everyone and telling people to vote

My lynch pool would be 

Oro  ( he seemed to sheep quite a bit last dp, even with my bad logic from not reading the rules)

Speed (just because this is utility, he contributes nothing to even look at. So it's a shot at hitting mafia when it would be near Impossible to gain reads either way )

Ragnar ( as the last lynch by poe)

I think supa is supa and has no idea what he's doing or saying half the time. I don't think it's a scum thing. I've never not read a game with him in it and wondered wtf is he doing. 

Also really want to re look at who was online during the part drafter was almost lynched. The fact no one hammered means mafias votes could have been on him 

It's 5 to 1 

So we get 3 mislynches. If drafter bussed, he's already won so it doesn't matter. So drafter is basically confirmed town win or lose 

The Ragnar would have surrendered if he is mafia argument is invalid. It's basically the fourtrouble argument. 

As far as Ragnar , I would be hesitant to lynch him because I buy into the fact he was doing something that he thought was good and that was a bad idea. The only motivation other wise would have been for town cred 

The issue with this game going forward is any np analysis is even more useless than the start of the game. Since roles have no alignment and night actions are just passing between each other carries nothing worth looking at. Best thing we can do is get a pool of players to Lynch from.

Largely I think this site has a far weaker pool of players than ddo had so it's very hard to gain anything from reads on people as well

You have super who has posted basically nothing but fluff , speed race who has posted 3 things , etc 

It's very hard to get telling reads on people based on motivation. I want to re read the last dp and look at oro though. 

Supa isn't feigning not understanding the game, if you have played with him before he is actually that clueless sometimes

At least it's 5 to 1 now

If drafter bussed then he wins. 

I really doubt that is the case, it took me half the dp to figure out we needed to Lynch to get an extra lynch and drafter was on that from the start. He also refused to out he was the vest maker, until being lynched thinking it was a bad idea to out as town

Im operating under the fact he's confirmed town going forward and if he did bus, he deserves the win. Because everything from now is strictly behavior without useful results because np has no value. 

And everything thus far has been pro town from him