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@seldiora
Believe it or not, I came up with this name prior to even meeting Lunatic.
I did have some inspiration from RM though. Don't like the guy, but I like his username.
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@MgtowDemon
*sigh* Once again, I have submitted it for review. It's not "running away" so much as preventing pain for Ragnar and David as they review this thread, and reducing the chances any parties legitimately violate the TOS.
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@seldiora
SoundCloud, reddit, plus I have a music Discord I run
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@MgtowDemon
Your "I am the victim he is big bad moderator :((((((" card is very funny. You point out our vulgarity while ignoring what led to our use of it in the first place, which would be your clear superiority complex and toxic nature, paired with your own fair share of personal attacks. And then you claim I am a bad moderator because I responded to it in the way very many people here are evidently inclined to respond. I am not required to become inhuman and not share my opinion because I am a moderator. I am required to follow the CoC, and that I did I think. Vulgarity is allowed as long as it is not disproportionate to the situation. And I don't think me telling you not to be a dick was disproportionate. The rest of the vulgar statements you speak of arose after you had made your rather distasteful case against me, which prompted Bear and Croc to come to my defense.
In addition I will simply repaste my previous post on the topic.
the "oh it's just innocent criticism until you made it personal" act isn't working dude. You were being a jerk and got called out for it.Your post criticizing my OP was extremely nitpicky and ignored all context. You said it was a bad thread on the basis that I didn't have scientific studies and a constructive at the ready immediately upon creating it.I warned, "Stop being a dick."To which you reply, accusing me of being lazy: "The fact that you bothered to cite Youtube videos indicates that you understand you should have sourced your arguments, yet were too lazy to find appropriate ones. If you're merely wishing to post your feelings about a topic and not have a debate, that is what the personal section is for."And then say that it is a fair expectation for me to create a debate constructive for every thread I create. "Part of making a worthwhile OP is constructing arguments with data and scientific research in the OP (Exceptions apply. For example, a philosophy thread doesn't require data and scientific research). You are the one constructing the "arguments", not the responders, so you should be properly citing your arguments, if you want your opinion to be taken seriously. It shouldn't be the work of the responders to do the job you should have done."Jesus christ man, I don't think you understand what a forum is. Nor do I think you understand what this website is. We don't just competitively debate all the time, we're allowed to have discussion. To have positive interaction. And starting with some YouTube videos to be food for thought is entirely acceptable and I would argue more useful for starting that discussion than a bombardment of studies and syllogisms. I would rather have information in a digestible format to allow the most amount of contribution. And there is nothing wrong with that at all.You very clearly have some sort of intellectual superiority complex, and when you're called out on it you simultaneously play victim and continue to behave toxically.
This is probably my last post on this subject. I want to leave it here to avoid further escalation.
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@MgtowDemon
You're a moderator and you continue to engage in personal attacks, of which breach the TOS.Are you aware of how bad this looks?
Your lack of self-awareness amazes me.
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@Undefeatable
it's not the criticism itself so much as the way he acts.
If he had said "That's a fair view, but I'll need more evidence than a few videos to jump on board"
that's totally fair and then we could have a discussion. But he's just toxic in general and you can read above to see why.
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@MgtowDemon
the "oh it's just innocent criticism until you made it personal" act isn't working dude. You were being a jerk and got called out for it.
Your post criticizing my OP was extremely nitpicky and ignored all context. You said it was a bad thread on the basis that I didn't have scientific studies and a constructive at the ready immediately upon creating it.
I warned, "Stop being a dick."
To which you reply, accusing me of being lazy: "The fact that you bothered to cite Youtube videos indicates that you understand you should have sourced your arguments, yet were too lazy to find appropriate ones. If you're merely wishing to post your feelings about a topic and not have a debate, that is what the personal section is for."
And then say that it is a fair expectation for me to create a debate constructive for every thread I create. "Part of making a worthwhile OP is constructing arguments with data and scientific research in the OP (Exceptions apply. For example, a philosophy thread doesn't require data and scientific research). You are the one constructing the "arguments", not the responders, so you should be properly citing your arguments, if you want your opinion to be taken seriously. It shouldn't be the work of the responders to do the job you should have done."
Jesus christ man, I don't think you understand what a forum is. Nor do I think you understand what this website is. We don't just competitively debate all the time, we're allowed to have discussion. To have positive interaction. And starting with some YouTube videos to be food for thought is entirely acceptable and I would argue more useful for starting that discussion than a bombardment of studies and syllogisms. I would rather have information in a digestible format to allow the most amount of contribution. And there is nothing wrong with that at all.
You very clearly have some sort of intellectual superiority complex, and when you're called out on it you simultaneously play victim and continue to behave toxically.
Also, I amended my original statement, it now reads:
I have sent it to other mods for review, and will accept any punishment I incur, but that is my view.
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@MgtowDemon
The big qualifier on whether you are allowed to insult someone with vulgarity on DebateArt is the context (i.e. whether it is unwarranted/excessive).
"Unwarranted systemic vulgarity and invectives, which may include off topic personal attacks and/or hate speech, are subject to disciplinary actions."
In this case, my inclination is that it is passable for all users involved. Within context, we have been responding to someone who has been intentionally and consistently provocative, and objectively contemptible in general.
I have sent it to other mods for review, and will accept any punishment I incur, but that is my view.
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Yes, and that's entirely the problem LOL.You are looking *only* at a majority white country, without looking at other countries which behave *exactly* the same way, and then concluding that "feeling at home" is a manifestation of 'white privilege'. My point is that this "feeling at home" is universal amongst all races.Do you see how not only wrong but anti-white that is?
Right... I'm not looking at other countries. I am looking at the US. Thanks for telling me what I already know.
And yes. Expanding the scope to other nations, we would hypothesize that the benefits of being within the majority as a white person would diminish when we look at minority white nations, because obviously you can not be within the majority in a nation in which you are the minority. That's true. And it doesn't effect my point one bit.
You've worked from a faulty premise (that white privilege manifests through "feeling at home"). Therefore, the conclusions you draw from that will be incorrect, even if the argument's structure is sound.
But there is a privilege in that. And if blacks or Hispanics were the majority race in the US they would experience it too. If we really want to go down the rabbit hole, we can talk about privileges that are experienced by minorities (affirmative action much?) and privileges that are not tied to race at all. There's many different categories, some cancelling out the benefit of others. But that doesn't mean they don't exist. If my white majority privilege is cancelled out by someone's minority privilege that doesn't mean I don't have have white majority privilege... it simply means it's not consequential. And that's precisely what I'm arguing. That despite certain white privileges existing it's not consequential in determining success. At least not compared to controllable factors like choices.
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@Crocodile
he resurrected just to tell this guy to piss off
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@MgtowDemon
In that sense there is no way white privileges does not exist in the US.
Was very obviously speaking about the US specifically.
I think you should probably read the rest of the post too before making any assumptions about its contents.
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@Lunatic
Am I right about the above post or is it fine to make a game and not register on the mod signup?
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Hi! I might be wrong, but I think to create a mafia game you have to sign up:
According to this Mharman was next in line, but I'm not sure if it's exactly required to sign up there or not.
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@MgtowDemon
Stop being a dick.That's an unprofessional comment for a moderator to make.
Yes, and I will accept whatever punishment I incur for pointing out that you're being a dick.
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@MgtowDemon
It's not meant to be a debate constructive, genius. It's meant to expose you to some of the arguments in favor of my position. If you want more substantial sources read the rest of the thread. Stop being a dick.
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@Death23
...a recent PNAS paper titled “Physician–patient racial concordance and disparities in birthing mortality for newborns”...The authors use the State of Florida’s Agency for Healthcare Administration data on births between 1992 and 2015. This data, notably, contains details about the race of patients but not of doctors. This seems like a pretty big deal! If the paper is meant to test the effect of racial concordance, I’d hope the authors knew what the race of the doctor was.Here’s how the authors got around this problem: They used the doctors’ names and searched them up on various health websites like vitals.com and healthgrades.com. We can be pretty sure these really are the doctors in the dataset, because the researchers matched doctors’ license numbers, and affiliations. They then downloaded photos of every doctor. Here’s where bias may start to creep in: of the 9,992 doctors in their sample, only 8,045 had readily available photos....The researchers assume physician-patient pairing is quasi-randomized — or that which doctors patients get are not “chosen”, but dictated by the doctor who happens to be on call. Is this justified? The authors don’t get into it. It could be the case, for example, that wealthier black mothers choose black doctors at higher rates — and their wealth is a predictor of mortality in and of itself.Mortality of infants is linked to their attending physician. Medicine is a team sport, and there are teams of nurses, other physicians, and administrators who all play a role in the outcome of a patient. Do we have good evidence that an individual physician has such an outsize impact on their team?Do we trust that the physician listed is even the person with primary responsibility for patient care? One doctor in Vinay’s thread says that “one hospital where I worked all infants had the medical director listed. Another it was the admitting doc. Could be paediatrician after discharge.” In other words, we have no guarantee that the patient of record the authors used was even the person who looked after the birth.Finally, the biggest critique: are there systemic differences in which doctors look after infants with higher mortality risk? Is it the case, for example, that ICU pediatricians are disproportionately white? In this case, we’d expect white doctors to on average have higher mortality, because they’re on average looking at tougher cases. Selection bias matters!Additionally, I’d like the point out that the researchers didn’t use their data to look at disparities across other racial groups. As far as I can tell, the only thing they looked at was black patients and black infants. Suppose we found that black infants had worse outcomes with middle eastern or east asian doctors as well? Would we be as quick as to leap towards a racial bias narrative? What if we found that white infants had worse outcomes when treated by south asian doctors?
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@skittlez09
this is the highlight of your life, all downhill from here
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@FLRW
indeed, but porn overrides those health benefits for many men. For a lot of people, might want to masturbate with no pornography.
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@SirAnonymous
bruh don't make me cry like dat wtf.
But seriously it sucks to see you go.
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@seldiora
Like
A- Amazing
B - Great
C - Good
D - Meh
F - Seldiora Certified Trash™️
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@seldiora
btw, what exactly is your rating system? What does each letter represent roughly?
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@seldiora
lol, I see you're not a huge fan of my style of electronic music, but to each their own. Thanks for taking the time for the reviews. I think you'll enjoy what I have in store for the next release
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@seldiora
you'll have to review my upcoming track... It's a collab with several other artists, including a vocalist, so it would be more up your alley.
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bruh how do people get offended over this, I'm at a loss for how RM calls this "brutal gore"
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@Lemming
The moderation hardcore porn has, if you're at all familiar with it, is very minimal... and it is easily stimulating enough to cause all the neurological issues quantified in the video I provided. While these issues certainly aren't blacking out or anything, they are serious enough to cause ED rates to skyrocket and for men's mental health to decline. If you would rather watch porn than get with a real woman, power to you, but I am trying to warn everyone else that the negatives of abuse may outweigh the positives for you in the long run...
So in that sense I will agree that people should have the freedom to watch it with little moderation, but I think it should be something that society emphasizes should be moderated, in sort of the same way most people drink alcohol in moderation even though they could abuse it.
As for cocaine being uneven... it is a surprisingly close comparison when comparing the brain of a frequent porn user and a frequent cocaine user actually. While the biological consequences may be uneven, I think the addictiveness of the two is surprisingly similar. Although yes, cocaine is more addictive.
TL;DR: While I'm sure many get along fine with watching large quantities of porn, for a large amount of people, porn can be destructive and they should be aware of that fact
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@seldiora
Then it is like alcohol. You can use it in moderation. Sure, I'm on board.
Problem is, it isn't being moderated. People are addicted and it is causing some big health problems.
Look, I'm not advocating for a ban, I'm just saying the benefits of quitting seem to outweigh the costs.
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"Up until the last decade, rates of ED were low in sexually active men under 40, and did not begin to rise steeply until thereafter [1,2]. A 1999 major cross-sectional study reported erectile dysfunction in 5%, and low sexual desire in 5% of sexually active men, ages 18 to 59 [3], and a 2002 meta-analysis of erectile-dysfunction studies reported consistent rates of 2% in men under 40 (except for the preceding study) [2]. These data were gathered before Internet “porn tube sites” enabled wide access to sexually explicit videos with no download required. The first of these “tube sites” appeared in September 2006 [4].
In contrast, recent studies on ED and low sexual desire document a sharp increase in prevalence of such dysfunctions in men under 40. One clear demonstration of this phenomenon relates to ED, and compares very large samples, all of which were assessed using the same (yes/no) question about ED as part of the Global Study of Sexual Attitudes and Behavior (GSSAB). In 2001–2002, it was administered to 13,618 sexually active men in 29 countries [5]. A decade later, in 2011, the same (yes/no) question from the GSSAB was administered to 2737 sexually active men in Croatia, Norway and Portugal [6]. The first group, in 2001–2002, were aged 40–80. The second group, in 2011, were 40 and under. Based on the findings of historical studies cited earlier, older men would be expected to have far higher ED rates than the negligible rates of younger men [2,7]. However, in just a decade, things changed radically. The 2001–2002 rates for older men 40–80 were about 13% in Europe [5]. By 2011, ED rates in young Europeans, 18–40, ranged from 14%–28% [6].
.....The researchers also noted that sexual dysfunctions are subject to underreporting biases related to stigmatization [14]."
Look, I understand there are some contestable claims when it comes to how porn relates to sexual problems, but I can't think of any other variable that could even begin to explain these findings, especially when the causal links are so clear.
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@seldiora
That does not affect my argument.
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@skittlez09
That's bs. It's such an extraordinarily high metric it excludes the VAST majority of men who use it in an addictive fashion but aren't using it 3284238472908347 hours a day.
Wikipedia gives a more sensible definition, for example: Pornography addiction is an addiction model of compulsive sexual activity with concurrent use of pornographic material, despite negative consequences to one's physical, mental, social, or financial well-being.
Basically, compulsive use despite negative consequences.
Furthermore, let's say I use cocaine on the daily. That would indicate I am a cocaine addict. It is not a given, but all evidence points to it because
a. Cocaine is addictive
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b. The more I use it the more likely it is that I will become an addict.
It follows that if 54% of men use porn (once again, known to be addictive) frequently, and 50% of religious men (the ones supposed to be morally OPPOSED to pornography!!) are addicted, then we can estimate about 50% of men are addicted. Let's also not ignore that only about 16% of the world is not religious.
Finally, given premise B, even if the percentage is low now, that will not last for long.
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@skittlez09
That's a false dichotomy, among other things.
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@skittlez09
you laugh until you realize that porn addiction is widespread (about 54% of men) and the effects are severe ("Studies show between a 600% and 3000% increase in erectile dysfunction among young men since the emergence of Internet pornography." Not to mention the extensive effects in your brain that I linked above) and the withdrawals are very similar to the ones experienced by drug addicts.
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The Neuroscience of NoFap | Why Pornography Changes the Brain
Escaping Porn Addiction | Eli Nash | TEDxFortWayne
I believe porn is the root cause of a lot of problems, and I can gladly say I've quit starting this No Nut November.
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I have been lying to everyone. I'm extremely sorry to those I will hurt by giving this confession, but it must be done. I would like to apologize more formally to my cat, who has always been by my side, to my fish, who does my tax returns, and to that one guy who I thought was waving at me 237 days ago but was actually waving to his friend behind me....
I am the crowned prince of Saudi Arabia.
I will now be quitting this site. You will never see me again
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@Mopac
Your view is quite insightful. Thank you for sharing.
I must ask, when you are told that you must accept some form of "help," whether it be racial diversity quotas in the workplace/university, offers of reparations, or any other form of affirmative action, how do you interpret this?
Do you side with Frederick Douglass when he says:
I have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us! If the apples will not remain on the tree of their own strength, if they are worm-eaten at the core, if they are early ripe and disposed to fall, let them fall! I am not for tying or fastening them on the tree in any way, except by nature's plan, and if they will not stay there, let them fall. And if the negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also. All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs! Let him alone! If you see him on his way to school, let him alone, -- don't disturb him! If you see him going to the dinner-table at a hotel, let him go! If you see him going to the ballot-box, let him alone, -- don't disturb him! (Applause.) If you see him going into a work-shop, just let him alone, -- your interference is doing him a positive injury.
Or do you see it as something necessary or even deserved?
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I suppose there is always an inherent benefit to being within the majority. Even something as small as the psychological benefit of feeling "more at home" in your community is technically a privilege. In that sense there is no way white privileges does not exist in the US. The real question is whether it prevails to the point that it is worth addressing over the multitude of variables that are more controllable. Racial distribution can not be controlled as easily as the choice to wait until 21 to have children, or actually sticking around once they are born.
That is something I feel that critical race theorists neglect to consider... whether that inherent benefit of whiteness overrides other privilege of circumstance, or whether additional factors such as the choices of individuals can override racial privilege when it comes to predicting success. If that were the case a debate about how to solve white privilege would be moot and a net harm (think of all the racial tensions cultivated by critical race theory so far in the US). Even in the rare scenario we managed to quell white privilege in some fashion, if other factors outweighed it anyway, then we would have just been pissing in the wind. A better debate to have then would be "well, which controllable variables predict the most success and how do we encourage everyone to positively correlate with as many of those variables as possible?"
The evidence is in on that front... controllable factors easily matter more and we have specifically identified many of the important ones.
"Let politicians, schoolteachers and administrators, community leaders, ministers and parents drill into children the message that in a free society, they enter adulthood with three major responsibilities: at least finish high school, get a full-time job and wait until age 21 to get married and have children.Our research shows that of American adults who followed these three simple rules, only about 2 percent are in poverty and nearly 75 percent have joined the middle class (defined as earning around $55,000 or more per year). There are surely influences other than these principles at play, but following them guides a young adult away from poverty and toward the middle class.Consider an example. Today, more than 40 percent of American children, including more than 70 percent of black children and 50 percent of Hispanic children, are born outside marriage. This unprecedented rate of nonmarital births, combined with the nation’s high divorce rate, means that around half of children will spend part of their childhood—and for a considerable number of these all of their childhood — in a single-parent family. As hard as single parents try to give their children a healthy home environment, children in female-headed families are four or more times as likely as children from married-couple families to live in poverty. In turn, poverty is associated with a wide range of negative outcomes in children, including school dropout and out-of-wedlock births."
So, then, maybe we should reallocate our focus.
But that doesn't make for good politics, does it? Now you must take some form of responsibility for where you are in life, and you can not simply label "group X" as the reason for all your problems. I suppose, though, that this phenomena is to be expected. The tribal mentality of humanity is not so easily overridden after a few million years of development.
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@BearMan
hopefully you check back in when Supa and I finally complete the tourney
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@Vader
at least you didn't have your speakers on full blast....
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@BearMan
I wish you luck with whatever your endeavors are.
May I ask out of sheer curiosity, which accounts you used before becoming the almighty BearMan?
Oh, another thing, why do you feel the need to leave the site?
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They aren't, just a common sense policy. Dems are all for extensive background checks and IDs up until it loses them some illegal votes.
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@Dr.Franklin
Correct. I know this, and didn't mean to imply that there is anything particularly unique about our ideology. In fact, your point basically proves my own.
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@seldiora
yeah, they are basically telling you different ways to defeat warrants. Some good advice in there
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Well, this is a pretty dumb question imo. Of course we would... just like if I were a white German in 1940 I might believe Jews were worthy of death, and if I were a white southern American in the 1860s I would believe blacks were inferior, and if I lived in medieval times I would think leeches cure disease.
Hopefully you see my point. Our modern progressive ideology is just a blip in history, and within the context, views and needs of the times and a new upbringing of course we would prescribe to those ideologies, with a few exceptions. We can't pretend we as persons are somehow elevated morally or intellectually just because we live in 2020. I'm sure 200 years down the line peoples views will be very different, and we will be the ones used for such hypotheticals like "If you lived in 2020 would you have an abortion if the government said it was ok?" or "Would you believe global warming will destroy humanity?" etc.
As for how this pertains to practices like the Halocaust or to stoning a homosexual for being homosexual, the first step to preventing such practices in the future is recognizing that we ourselves are just as capable of such evil as they were. Had the tables been turned, we would be the ones doing the stoning and they would be the ones doing the condemning.
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If you don't like it, you can simply make the debate ruled through winner selection.
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If god told me to do anything, I'd have a heart attack and die from surprise
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IDK, but if the Republicans lose Texas, there is no hope for the party.
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