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@skittlez09
you just restated the exact same point with no refutation to my central thesis. Let me ask you again, WHY did you expose Oro?
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@skittlez09
Why not? it's been done before, and with lunatic, anything is possible.
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@skittlez09
i would say i outted him at all. it was a pretty easy read to make lmao
Like I said to BearMan:
"This is the equivalent of "We decided to cancel the election and make Biden president, the polls said he was ahead anyway."
I would say there are plenty of instances of mafia missing stuff like that out of sheer oversight. It does not follow that because you predicted they would see it anyway, that it would be a good idea to expose him."
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@skittlez09
well nobodys counter claimed him yet
The whole point of a fake claim being provided is that no one in town has it.
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@skittlez09
soft claiming cop is still a pretty ballsy move for mafia
Not really. We've already established that Lunatic provides fake roles. If cop were one of them, it's not ballsy at all. it's a no-brainer.
As I've said before:
"It would establish himself as a valuable power role to town, and although he would be expected to come up with some fake results, he could just constantly investigate his mafia brethren to "Fake confirm" them..."
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Honestly, if Oro flipped mafia, I would instantly sus Skittlez. He was the one to start planting thoughts about L being a detective/cop character.
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@skittlez09
Oro soft claimed it. We need him to hard claim. And we've already outlined how it's plausible for a mafia strat
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@Vader
Plus, I really am just pressuring him. I want a claim.
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@Vader
Because it's not a smart move as town. At all. Oro IS smart at town, but admittedly not so much as scum.
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@Vader
I agree. I will not doubt you ever again Supa-senpai
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This is why we need more brainpower this day phase. That would have completely slipped by me if it weren't for Danielle.
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@Danielle
so this puts a ton of suspicion on Oro and yet Chris you nor anyone else has called this out.
I'll be 100% honest, even though I sus'd Oro lightly for the "I'm not giving analysis" thing, it didn't even hit me that Lunatic provided fake claims until you brought it up. I chalk that up to my own oversight more than anything.
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@Danielle
It would establish himself as a valuable power role to town, and although he would be expected to come up with some fake results, he could just constantly investigate his mafia brethren to "Fake confirm" them...
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@Danielle
I also think the fact that he changed his profile pic to something that seems to resonate with y’all is completely and utterly meaningless - I have no idea why anyone would town read that. I would be more likely to scum read that but I wouldn’t say I “scum read” him or anyone for now.
It certainly is not meaningless. Oromagi has admitted that he has seen no anime except HxH and AoT.
He would have no way of knowing some niche character like L unless that was his role. He has been known to soft claim through PFP before, if I'm not mistaken. That said, Lunatic said he would be providing fake roles now that you mention it. And if there is no cop in this game, Oromagi soft claiming L (since he was a detective) with the help of mafia friends makes sense as a theory.
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@Danielle
If you could skim the day phase and give at least one thought in contribution that'd be great. We're running low on brainpower this day phase it seems.
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@Death23
If you're wrong this will age very poorly
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Speed's random Miller claim is weird, and I'm not sure what to make of it, but he is null for now.
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At the moment my biggest read continues to be Skittlez. He has gone completely AWOL.
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@Vader
Sure, by voting you provide incentive I suppose, but if you really wanted him to be more active without there being a wagon you'd have told him directly. Instead, you gave the read to the town and voted with no further reservations.
And if you had no intention of fully lynching Croc, why would you unvote as soon as it became clear we wouldn't lynch Croc without more convincing? If the point is to pressure him, why aren't you pressuring him right now? Seems to me that as soon as the prospect fell through you gave up.
You can say you changed your mind about the lynch, but I don't buy this "I didn't want to lynch him" thing.
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@BearMan
Notice that your play as town is significantly different than your play as mafia. I might be wrong, but quick-lynching Croc and immediately backing off once you received critique for why you lynched seems sus.
I will admit he is being wishy-washy. That is a scum tell. It doesn't mean enough though to lynch him though, in my opinion.
Although, I'm not sure why he would go after Croc as scum. You would think Danielle would be a better option, as a policy lynch for her inactivity. The only scenario that would even make sense in is if Danielle were scum too. And for now that's a bit too much of a stretch for me.
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@BearMan
doesn't really matter. Any mafia could see that he changed to L.
This is the equivalent of "We decided to cancel the election and make Biden president, the polls said he was ahead anyway."
I would say there are plenty of instances of mafia missing stuff like that out of sheer oversight. It does not follow that because you predicted they would see it anyway, that it would be a good idea to expose him. In that sense, you are just as guilty as Skittlez.
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Idk. I'm keeping my lynch on supa
Ah yes, the "I have no reason but will continue anyway" defense.
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@BearMan
It could be that he values a Croc that talks even less than an inactive Danielle, which is rather insulting lol. I'm questioning him there too. But if that's your only read, that is rather weak, is it not? Supa has been active and contributed. I think you're jumping to conclusions way too quickly.
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@Vader
Why a Croc lynch as opposed to a Skittlez lynch or Danielle who so far has said absolutely nothing?
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@Crocodile
Do you have literally anything substantial at all to contribute?
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@skittlez09
Why have you been gone for the entire day?
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@skittlez09
What do you have to say in your defense? Why didn't you claim like you usually do? Why did you out Oromagi?
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I'm thinking a Danielle lynch if she does not become active within the next day.
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@warren42
Let's assume skittlez is mafia and outted Oro as a potentially powerful role (Oro being a powerful role relies on assumptions I'm not willing to make but for the sake of the argument here)Why would skittlez do that? Would it not make more sense to keep that to themselves rather than let us all know that they have a power role lead on oro?
I suppose you could chalk it up to absent-mindedness. Trying to get towncred for adding more information but not really considering the consequences of doing so in this case.
As Speed said, Bear did it before as mafia.
That said, you make a good point and it weakens my read on him, probably to a FoS. But before I unvote I want to hear his response. He has been AWOL since yesterday.
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@warren42
Oh sorry, I thought you were talking about my bigger post. The reason I edited the vote for you was because I forgot to include the bolding. lol.
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@warren42
Please don't edit posts. Easy for scum to slip then cover it that way. Even if it's spelling or grammar just leave it and correct it in a second post if you'd like. That said, can I ask why you edited this?
Yeah sorry, Speed got onto me for it too and I said I'd stop. I thought it was something up to mods, and Lunatic hadn't mentioned it. I guess it makes a lot more sense as a universal rule though.
The main reason I corrected that post was because Speed said Skittlez claimed in Tech, which meant I had to fix my numbers. My original point stands, though.
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@Speedrace
How does saying you'll do something different in a different game get you towncred? And even if it was for towncred, it shows that he was actually keeping his word lol
He expressed regret after he got pressured about it. That creates trust. It's really pretty simple.
Also, you realize that what you say in a game as mafia does not translate to a genuine promise, right?
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@Speedrace
Oh, is that a universal rule? I thought it was up to each mod... Lunatic didn't say anything about it
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@Speedrace
I wouldn't say it doesn't mean "anything" even if he did say he wouldn't. He said that as mafia trying to get towncred.
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@ILikePie5
Maybe you're right. I didn't think to hard about it lol. Anyway, look above.
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@Vader
@ILikePie5
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@Speedrace
As it stands, everyone is lurky with two AWOL users.
I only have one real read, and I want to investigate it further since town is dead.
I currently sus Skittlez on two separate lines of reasoning:
A. Outing Oromagi's potential role justification and potential status as a power role. Possibly noob mistake, but still super anti-town, especially considering the sort of character Oro is. (Read it and if you're not stupid you'll know what I'm getting at. I want to stay vague though).
B. He didn't claim immediately, as has been his habit for the past four games with the exception of Tech (correction: he did claim in Tech.) where he was mafia. I get that we've got onto him for this, but the fact that he DIDN'T claim tells me either
1. He is a power role.
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2. He is mafia. Leaning towards the latter.
Let me show why statistically using the last 7 games he was in:
Tech Mafia: Claim: Mafia
Arrowverse: Claimed: Town
BAMF: Claimed: Town
Satire: Claimed: Town
Naruto: No Claim: Town
Bastard: No Claim: Mafia
Stormlight: No Claim: Mafia
4/7 games Skittlez has claimed. All of them within the last four games.
3/7 he has not. Of those 3, 2/3rds of the time he was mafia.
UNVOTE, VTL Skittlez for claim.
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@ILikePie5
2 AWOL users, one already had a vote to begin with, the other didn't. I realized this and moved to the one that didn't have one.
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@Lunatic
@Bullish
It wasn't you that I'm talking about, Bullish. I think I can disclose that much. Someone else (who's not even IN the mafia game) reported the post 1 of this thread
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