MisterChris

Collectively, communist states killed as many as 100 million people, more than all other repressive regimes combined during the same time period. By far the biggest toll arose from communist efforts to collectivize agriculture and eliminate independent property-owning peasants. In China alone, Mao Zedong’s Great Leap Forward led to a man-made famine in which as many as 45 million people perished – the single biggest episode of mass murder in all of world history. In the Soviet Union, Joseph Stalin’s collectivization – which served as a model for similar efforts in China and elsewhere – took some 6 to 10 million lives. Mass famines occurred in many other communist regimes, ranging from North Korea to Ethiopia. In each of these cases, communist rulers were well aware that their policies were causing mass death, and in each they persisted nonetheless, often because they considered the extermination of “Kulak” peasants a feature rather than a bug.

And while it is often said that Hitler was a Christian, the Nuremberg documents clearly reveal the heart of this ruthless man who believed in social Darwinism and had devised plans to completely eliminate Christianity after the Third Reich was firmly established. He wanted to use religion to subvert it for his own political purposes, but he had rejected his Catholic heritage long before. What should be of concern to every atheist is that Hitler thought he could best succeed if he eliminated the Church’s influence on politics. He promised not to persecute Catholics if the Catholic Church agreed to stay out of politics. However, many Protestants could not accept Hitler’s claim to be a German Messiah or submit to an absolute allegiance to the German State, and many Protestants and Catholics were put into Concentration Camps along with the Jews for their resistance to the Führer.
Hitler’s view of the Master Race was highly influenced by both Nietzschean Philosophy and modern, Darwinian evolutionary view of science. 

Views on religion

Main article: Religious views of Adolf Hitler

Hitler was born to a practising Catholic mother and an anticlerical father; after leaving home Hitler never again attended Mass or received the sacraments.[379][380][381] Speer states that Hitler railed against the church to his political associates and though he never officially left it, he had no attachment to it.[382] He adds that Hitler felt that in the absence of organised religion, people would turn to mysticism, which he considered regressive.[382] According to Speer, Hitler believed that Japanese religious beliefs or Islam would have been a more suitable religion for Germans than Christianity, with its "meekness and flabbiness".[383]

Historian John S. Conway states that Hitler was fundamentally opposed to the Christian churches.[384] According to Bullock, Hitler did not believe in God, was anticlerical, and held Christian ethics in contempt because they contravened his preferred view of "survival of the fittest".[385] He favoured aspects of Protestantism that suited his own views, and adopted some elements of the Catholic Church's hierarchical organisation, liturgy, and phraseology.[386]

Hitler viewed the church as an important politically conservative influence on society,[387] and he adopted a strategic relationship with it that "suited his immediate political purposes".[384] In public, Hitler often praised Christian heritage and German Christian culture, though professing a belief in an "Aryan Jesus" who fought against the Jews.[388] Any pro-Christian public rhetoric contradicted his private statements, which described Christianity as "absurdity"[389] and nonsense founded on lies.[390]

According to a US Office of Strategic Services (OSS) report, "The Nazi Master Plan", Hitler planned to destroy the influence of Christian churches within the Reich.[391][392] His eventual goal was the total elimination of Christianity.[393] This goal informed Hitler's movement early on, but he saw it as inexpedient to publicly express this extreme position.[394] According to Bullock, Hitler wanted to wait until after the war before executing this plan.[395]

Speer wrote that Hitler had a negative view of Himmler's and Alfred Rosenberg's mystical notions and Himmler's attempt to mythologise the SS. Hitler was more pragmatic, and his ambitions centred on more practical concerns.[396][397]

• he claims an obscure role, something I hadn't even heard of until this point and something that did not even make Drafter's list. I feel this adds to the authenticity of his claim, even despite the next bullet
  
• he claims a TOWN roleblocker. Roleblocker is typically a SCUM role but the above point plus the fact that, as SCUM, I would avoid claiming TOWN roleblocker at all costs helps me believe him.
  
• his role is confirmed with WF's testimony, albeit his reasoning behind blocking WF is shady to say the least.
  

• complete absence. Speed was SCUM last game, and this was his tactic more or less.
  
• although I have not seen the series, WF (if anyone here knows about FT, he does) charges Speed with a sus claim:
  

• Lunatic's role brings balance into question a bit. Hider + Passive Protector + several investigative roles?
  

Yes I used it in 13 Reasons Why for Zach Dempsey

I find it humorous that anyone would think that the possibility of interpretation is anything but a problem for any faith with competing sects and competing interpretations. Unless you can somehow demonstrate conclusively that you are correct and your interpretation are correct and all other possible interpretations are incorrect I have no choice but to take the text at its word and the words used are ALL THINGS. 

Stuff continues to happen. That would seem to suggest that all things are not yet accomplished. 

until all things are accomplished.

Drunk makes someone drive them home.  It's a night-action blocking role.

The weird thing is Oro's belief that me & Earth were both town. 

I am Cana Alberona.  While in some cases I am outgoing, the vast majority of the time I am drunk ... infamous for my high alcohol tolerance.  Because I am drunk all the time, I am the Drunk.  I select someone to drive me home in the night phase.

may sound cynical however I suspect that Christians who still believe in creation and not the Flood or Seven Days do so because they have been caught out by what we have found out factually in recent times.

The more facts we establish, the more these people will be forced into the corner each time they shed their errant beliefs. 

In any case it is pretty well game, set and match so far as evolution goes which pretty well puts the kibosh on anything to do with creation.

• existing theories always change in light of new information, and that goes for the religious as well as the naturalistic. For one of many examples, in recent history, the majority of athiests believed in the Steady State Theory to avoid the reality that the universe must have had a beginning. Most athiests have had to alter their beliefs in light of a plethora of evidence that suggests otherwise. 
  
• On that note, there is a good argument that science doesn't challenge theism so much as bring positive evidence for theism (I can get into this evidence but I believe you've heard the arguments). Even if you don't believe that positive evidence, this undercuts your theory that OEC is simply based on a "god of the gaps". 
  
• most scientific study throughout history was conducted by, yes, Christians. There are always those who stick stubbornly to tradition in every era, but this is not exclusive to Christianity nor is it representative of some sort of fundamental conflict between scientific progress and religion. 
  
• there are more than a few Christians who took the Genesis account non-literally before Old Earth Theory even arose. 

"You lose your role once you go into 2v1. I forget if that's LYLO or MYLO

Or 3v2"

I wouldnt totally dismiss that MC is bad town. I think noob town is more appropriate but yeah check out thw game just before this one... Led a near mislynch on me dp1 and was wrong all through the rest of the game and detracted from scum lynches even though both scum were top reads by most townies.

• the read of his laziness contributes but isn't a large factor
  
• his claim of Miller right after 2 COP claims is convenient as hell. 
  

Explain yourself. To my "untrained eye" it just looks like you're throwing accusations in hopes for a lynch. You need to go in more depth. Keeping a FOS on you

Explain in detail your thought process behind this post.

I actually agree with FT here, confirming you doesn't really earn you town points, mods frequently make this role mafia sided. Behavior =/= role always. 

Don't make me explain it to you. So far you, whiteflame and RM are all in the R/whoosh category. 

Do you lose popular townie in a 2 v 1 situation, or does the game game end MYLO if you aren;t killed by scum? Worth asking, I've seen some mods do the role differently. 

I kind of stopped reading RM's posts after he counter claimed FT, that was pretty downie. His contribution prior to that wasn't that helpful either, though I did town read him for his noobish counter claim of FT. 

It seems like I am parroting FT here, and admittedly I am

You're asking the wrong questions, whiteflame. 

The character says that I'm a fierce swordswomen, an S class wizard, and that I have "different abilities" due to "different armors and swords" that I can "equip," and fact that my character has multiple sides, at times "tough" and at others "soft."

I guess I should clarify that I have multiple abilities, each 1-shot. I'm not solely a "day cop." 

I'm not faking. This is annoying.

Regarding FT, the fact that he’s claiming Erza means he’s most likely town. In this series, she’s one of the main 4 characters. She’d be a very risky fake claim to give this early. She’s almost definitely not the day cop (...seriously RM? I wasn’t buying that before the character claim), though I can think of a few fitting roles for her.

I counterclaim fourtrouble 100%

I recommend Pie's partners bus. There's no saving him now.

Let's lynch whiteflame. Disappeared instead of voting Pie. 

MC, why'd you claim your role so early?

Look, proving someone's role doesn't tell us anything about alignments. It's a complete waste of time. A benefit for the scum.

Your eye is untrained. Please trust.

It also forces protective role(s) to be on MC tonight when really he's useless to town other than as a leader and no offence but he's not the most expert player to lead out of this cast, not saying that I am.

We gain barely anything from proving his role correct, which I would bet will happen as it would be a foolish out to bluff with. 

2. No roles will be given justifications relating to characters 

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5855/post-links/255091

This is 100% untrue for my role and character, anyone else?

Why did you out your character and role so instantly? I am just curious of the reason. For all you know Supadudz gave the same power to someone else and your 'proving' goes very wrong. This was listed as a bastard setup, Supadudz only said the theme isn't bastard, not that the roles aren't.

isn't your lover a third party role then?