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It is only confusing to those who aren't in on it.

But it isn't always that way. For example, in Arabic we have Allah for God and illah for god.

Yule is not something Orthodox celebrate. In fact, I am wholey ignorant of it.

We celebrate the feast of the nativity, which is called Christmas in the west.

I point this out an awful lot, so I am happy to point this out...

In English we have this problem where god and God are pronounced the same, but they mean 2 different things. You do not have this problem in other languages.

Congratulations on noticing one of these instances.

There are things that can be known that you are not aware of being knowable, and that is because you, in your haughtiness, decided that you knew everything there is to know, and have shut yourself off from advancing any further.

Your agnosticism is a pretense for "I know better".

It is not a fallacy to declare the existence of The Ultimate Reality.

It is a fallacy to deny the existence of The Ultimate Reality.

As this is the case, being on the fence is not an intelligent position.

To say that The Ultimate Reality never began to exist is not a special pleading fallacy, it is necessarily true.

But it is a waste of time demonstrating this to someone who can't even believe that The Ultimate Reality exists to begin with. If you can't make that first step of sanity, proving anything would be a waste ofntime, because you don't really believe in proof.

Or what the Hindus call Brahman.

What they call Brahman is what monotheists call God.

Some reality most likely exists.

That's the best you can do?

Well, I can show you from this that some reality certainly exists.

It is a reality that you are having an experience.

As this is a reality that exists, reality certainly exists.

Can you admit that reality certainly exists, or do you have a problem?

You are talking to yourself again, luny toons. You certainly aren't addressing me.

The Ultimate Reality exists.

Confess The Truth.

I'm not using the KCA.

The Ultimate Reality exists.

This is not an argument. This is The Truth, and you not confessing it is tantamount to you admitting you are full of shit.

Yet...

The Ultimate Reality

Is not an invention.

1 quantum fluctuation is not an evidence of things coming into being without a cause. That is preposterous and ignorant.

2 This has nothing to do with The Ultimate Reality existing.

And fyi, 3ru7al confesses what is obvious, that The Ultimate Reality exists.

Just waiting on you.

I claim The Ultimate Reality exists.

We will go nowhere until you confess. That is truly what is relevent.

In so many ways you can confess while beating around it. Now say it directly, or you are wasting your time. You are being deceptive, and you are projecting your deceptive nature on me, one with whom there is no guile. You think I am trying to trap you, because this is what you try to do.

Now confess The Ultimate Reality exists, or we go nowhere.

I am aware. that the stupidest interpretations of quantum physics say that everything is random and things just happen for no reason, but this is certainly not science.

And fyi "seemingly no cause" is not evidence of lack of cause. It is evidence of ignorance of a cause. Non linear causality as well as non local variables are still causal forces.

But really, this is another one of your ploys to weasel away from admitting The Ultimate Reality exists, and until you do this, you are wasting your time because I can't help but believe every word that proceeds from you is a lie or deception if you cannot accept this common ground.

Irrelevent.

The Ultimate Reality exists.

Confess.

Everything that begins to exist has a cause

Even you admit that something in the future could cause something in the past, which is an admission of causality. You aren't even being consistent in your own bullshit.

And no, I don't believe for a second you know what you are talking about. I simply do not accept that you are a scientist.

Ok, thank you, I think I understand what you are saying.

Please help secularmerlin catch up with you.

I am not talking about "my claims" witg you until you admit that The Ultimate Reality exists.

If you can't do that, we will go nowhere.

And that is a very solid answer to your question.

No, I have not observed The Ultimate Reality, but "through a glass, darkly".

And I can still say with boldness that The Ultimate Reality exists.

Everything that begins to exist has a cause.

As a wizard, even you know that you must at least say abracadabra first.

I would not call The Ultimate Reality a noumenon because that implies it is contingent on thought.

Thought does not precede The Ultimate Reality, The Ultimate Reality precedes thought. The Uktimate Reality is not a contingent existence.

And for the millionth time, my claims about reality are irrelevant.

The Ultimate Reality exists.

What do my claims have to do with that? Are you so base that you would deny all of reality because someone told you something that wasn't true?

You strive about the meaning of words, not to no profit, but to the subverting of those who listen.

Existence itself is eternal.

There is always SOME FORM OF EXISTENCE.

Literally nothing else makes sense. You really. think that there can be absolutely nothing? Total nonexistence?

Well, you don't have to believe tgis, but I certainly believe in the eternity of existence.

In other words, you are asking me if I observe everything that exists exactly the way it is?

Of course not.

But I know everything exists exactly the way it is because I'm not a bloody moron.

"I don't know, maybe"

Is inherently more open than "I reject"

And as I have told you before, there is a great deal you reject on the basis of not understanding the claims to begin with. Why? Bad language.

The Ultimate Reality exists.

Still waiting for you to say it. 

Have you observed the hair beetween my ass cheeks, yes or no?

We are talking about what is ultimately real, have you no sense? Are you truly this arbitrary?

How do you function?

Your invincible ignorance and stubborn refusal to admit the truth will not overthrow reality.

Why is it so important to you that nothing is real? Are you trying to justify yourself? And don't tell me that "oh I believe in reality", because if you can't say "The Ultimate Reality exists" you do not truly admit to believing in reality. You are simply being a weasel.

And what is the purpose of this?

You don't want to admit that God exists, probably because it'll make you the laughing stock of all your pseudointellectual and godless friends who can't tell shit from shinola. 

Your position is indefensible and foolish.

Definition of reject courtesy Merriam-webster 

to refuse to accept, consider, submit to, take for some purpose, or use

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Why secularmerlin has backed himself into an inescapable cage of darkness, ignorance, and self righteousness stupidity.

The Truth sets you free from this cage.

Say The Ultimate Reality exists.

I already told you the reason these things can't be demonstrated to you is because you don't understand the claims to begin with.

But if you are going to reject The Truth because claims made about The Truth are not true, I'd say that is pretty idiotic, and that is exactly what you are doing!

The Ultimate Reality exists no matter what I or anyone else says about it.

Don't be a fooll!

Pretentious retards

Neither of you have any understanding.

We are talking about The Ultimate Reality.

If you can't accept fhat there is an ultimately real, how can we go any further?

This is absolutely integral. 

Secularmerlin can't even admit this, and 3ru7al, I seem to recall you admitting it's existence.

So 3ru7al, you see I'm not getting through. Instead of reverting back to foolishness, why don't you help secularmerlin come to realize that the ultimate reality exists? Obviously, I'm not clever enough to penetrate this wall of invincible ignorance.

It's not about me being right. It's not about anybody being right.

The common ground is that The Ultimate Reality is right.

Without this common grounnd, there can be nothing but strife.

You don't really understand what you are talking about.

You can't even admit that The Ultimate Reality exists.

How do you expect to go anywhere like that?

You really lack understanding.

There is no hope for you to learn anything in the state you are in. You are an epistemological black hole. You can't even admit The Ultimate Reality exists.

Until you can admit this, I have no good reason to address anything else you say, because you are arguing from the vantage point of insanity.

You are not really an agnostic, you reject belief because you think you know better.

This is not actually agnosticism, this is haughtiness. It is all the more obnoxious that you are feigning humility by saying you don't know.

But you certainly can prove these things you say are unprovable, but not if you don't accept ultimate reality as existing. The very concept of proof is a meaningless absurdity to someone who doesn't accept the ultimate reality as existing.

I am not making claims that are beyond knowing.

You are very resistant to being shown evidence. Why? Because you won't let me teach you proper terminology. You insist on using superstitious definitions. I tried doing this with you in private, and you fought me every step of the way.

And look at where we are now. 

You can't even admit that ultimate reality exists.

You can't know anything. You are in an epistemological black hole. There is no hope for you outside of a paradigm shift.

This is the only thing you can be 100% certain of.

I am more certain of The Ultimate Reality existing than literally anything else. It is proven conclusively by the existence of experience. As there is some form of reality, The Ultimate Reality must exist. Without Ultimate Reality, there is no reality, not even illusory reality.

Nothing is the absence of reality. I think we agree on that.

Now understand, to admit that The Ultimate Reality exists is to not say, "nothing is ultimately real!"

If there is no Ultimate Reality, nothing is ultimately real. So effectively, there is no reality.

Make sense?

Well, clearly there is some form of existence which shows that something is real, and if something is real The Ultimate Reality must by necessity exist.

I get what you are saying, I really do.

Yet I find it very difficult to call The Ultimate Reality a level of consciousness.

It almost sounds like a corruption of the concept of God consciousness, which refers to being mindful of God in all things. 

I'm not sure I would call The Ultimate Reality a state of consciousness.

Could I say The Ultimate Reality feels and knows everything? Certainly.

The Ultimate Reality by nature must contain all other realities. If something is real, it isn't real apart from Ultimate Reality.

No one here is mindful enough to speak in E-Prime.

Besides, it's a bad idea anyway.

Reality most likely exists?

How are you not certain about this?

How is this intellectually honest?

If you can't be certain about this, you always have a back door into arbitrariness. A backdoor that you seem to exploit liberally, I might add.

You are monumentally full of shit.

Nothing is ultimately real!

There is only nothing!

Come on, you know this is crazy.

I have spent months explaining this to you.

You are simply lying.

Go away.

More you not saying The Ultimate Reality exists.

You know what it means. 

More weaseling from the weasel.

You can't say, "The Ultimate Reality exists"

4 words you can't say in a row. What is the problem? You admit you believe it. Why not close the whole thing off?

Instead you want to play this stupid game you always do of unnecessarily stretching out a conversation for pages on end. Why do you do this?

Because despite your claims of showing me respect, this is how you disrespect me.

The Ultimate Reality exists.

Until you admit this, I can't help but believe you are a liar.

No, you know exactly what it means.

Say The Ultimate Reality exists.

Of course it does, you already know that.

You will not be saying anything that isn't obviously and unquestionably true.

The Ultimate Reality exists.

You know it does. Confess The Truth. Quit being such a wimp. Who cares what they'll say about you?

What matters is The Truth. You know this is The Truth. 

The Ultimate Reality exists.

Come on, say it.