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Arguments don't stand on their own.

The Truth stands on its own. The Truth makes arguments stand or fall.

You can't admit that The Ultimate Reality exists.

You are objectively an idiot. 

If you say me making an ad hominem fallacy invalidates what I am saying, you are making the fallacy fallacy.

But you don't have to be an idiot. You can admit that The Ultimate Reality exists.

Stop accusing me of being as stupid as you.

You certainly did say that reality is your perceptions.

The Ultimate Reality is specifically reality in the truest sense. It is is a more precise term.

Not just a reality, but THE reality.

And you should have no problem saying...

The Ultimate Reality exists

No, reality has a great deal of meaning.

Do you know what reality means?

Of course you do. Even if you don't know what it is.

And God is The Ultimate Reality, which you already know exists, even if you don't know God.

One is actually reality, and the other is only real in some sense. It is greatly illusory.

The Ultimate Reality is that which is totally real with no illusion.

You can't see it because your perception is illusion by nature. Yet, it is there, and to deny it is not rational.

The Ultimate Reality.

That is the definition.

If you know what that means, it is an argument that stands alone.

I can't help that this is not what you God deniers want to hear. If you were honest, this would be enough. Since you aren't honest, you have to come up with ridiculous arguments to justify your wickedness like... "Uh.. definitions mean something other than definitions" or "I don't know what that is, so it must be false".

There is no way I can overcome the stupidity of those who don't believe in The Truth. All they can do is lie.

His argument was a straw man coupled with invincible ignorance.

Me knowing the truth is irrelevent.

Then I get unbelievers like you and brutaltruth trying to tell me what I believe.

Which is effectively what both of you do when you try to define my God.

What you perceive to be reality is a reality to you.

But it isn't The Ultimate Reality, which is reality as it truly is.

There certainly is a difference, and remaining conscious of it will be a check against you leaning so much on your understanding.

You don't really understand my faith, so you are making claims that aren't true....

..but whatever.

The Truth exists.

That is what God is.

The end result of this debate is that the truth doesn't exist.

Really, the only argument is "nuh uh! Lalalalalalalala"

It is reality that all of you are woefully ignorant concerning God. One day, you may be enlightened. One day you will be dead, so there is no you to be ignorant about things.

The reality that you all are woefully ignorant concerning God is a reality, but not The Ultimate Reality.

The Ultimate Reality is Eternally True.

Just because someone is not Orthodox doesn't mean that they can't receive God's grace.

The guy who was going to fhem was probably a heretic anyway.

But the fact that you, an unbeliever accuse me of suppressing my faith is offensively ignorant.

I forgive you.

If the entire world voted and said "The Truth doesn't exist" they would still be wrong.

The thing that was so startling about Jesus to his disciples is how much of his life and what he did paralleled things that were written in what Christians call the Old Testament.

Consider the story of Abraham about to sacrifice Isaac. How that relates to Jesus's sacrifice.  Even the events are similar. Isaac riding in.a donkey, carrying wood up the hill, obedient to the end even though Isaac would have easily been able to escape the clutches of a man as old as Abraham.

Consider the story of Joseph, how he was loved by his father, betrayed by Judah for silver, ended up at the right hand of Pharaoh.

Consider the many psalms of David that describe the exact situation Jesus finds himself in.

Really though, you could write a whole book on the parallels and scriptures that unexpectedly found themselves in the life of Jesus, and these things were seen as proofs to the followers of Jesus. There are so many it is really startling. In fact, Jesus' entire life account can even be said to be a parable in itself. Not only did Jesus teach in parables, his life was a parable.

And sure, if you were to simply adopt an attitude of hard skepticism, you will find none of it convincing. At best, you could simply claim that all the accounts were written as a hodge podge of Old Testament scripture, that the whole thing is just a constructed story. 

You know, if you want to play the hard skeptic.

But the apostolic church is still around today, somehow even surviving its first few centuries under persecution.. people even up until contemporary times being tortured to death before they apostate. In the last century, over 20 million martyred, mostly by governments who promoted socialism and saw religion as a great evil on the world perpetuated by the oppressors of the people. The same type of rhetoric you found in those places is used by atheists today, they literally use the same arguments that the soviets used. They orobably got tgem from the same place. When you go to the library or bookstore, nearly every writing on the subject of Christianity is subversive in some way. 

Why do so many go to the grave, all this over what the skeptic can easily dismiss as silly fables and stories?

Because the faith teaches people to love The Truth above all else, to be temperate in all things, to esteem others higher than the self, and to love their fellows even unto death. Anyone who wishes to hinder or even eradicate such a faith is being guided by the worst kind of evil.

Such a pure faith should be encouraged, for the betterment of the entire world.

Yeah, actually several people who would notmally vote in my debates no longer vote in debates because of how votes are moderated.

I tied with someone who forfeited a round and had an argument that consisted of "words don't really mean what they mean".

I'm about to lose to someone who conceded to several of my arguments and made the argument that "lul leprechauns are in the dictionary that means leprechauns exist trololol"

Meeeh

Recognizing that God is sovereign over all things, and it is a government without end.

Matthew is written in Greek, it makes sense that it would make use of a widely known Greek translation when quoting Isaiah.

That isn't entirely true, the word in question does not simply mean "woman", but a young marriageable woman, which well... would obviously be a virgin.

A woman who already had children would not be an almah.

So saying the word simply means "woman" is not really accurate.

In Hebrew, and ancient Hebrew is not the same as the Hebrew in the masoretic texts. The masoretic texts are nearly a thousand years older than...

The septuigate.  There are also much older copies of the septuigate that have still survived, the oldest copies going back to the 4th century. The septuigate itself being a translation that was made hundreds of years BC.

The septuigate is written in Greek, of course, but Jews didn't have a problem using it for hundreds of years.

The Orthodox Church does not condone rape. This is the church opinion that matters. But does any church condone rape? No, of course not. Rape is not acceptable behavior for a Christian. 

You can use the bible to paint whatever kind of message you want. Even the church acknowledges this, and the church is the rightful interpreter of scripture, not you.

What does the church say? Rape is bad, mmkay?

No, your superstition comes from thinking "Jewish DNA" has anything to do with God creating you. God created everything.

If something doesn't exist in truth, it doesn't exist.

Everything exists because of The Ultimate Reality. That is the source.

Or if you really can't tell the difference, say...

The Ultimate Reality exists.

We going to play this game again? Do I need to tell you 20 more times?

Go away.

And I am talking about The Ultimmate Reality, not reality.

Is this why you say god instead of God? Because you are an evasive little weasel?

So dishonest, it makes talking with you a real ordeal. You aren't even trying.

If it isn't, it isn't.

But it most certainly is.

And literaly nothing else makes sense or is even possible.

As I have said several times to no profit.

It is reality in the truest sense

Reality as it truly is

There is no reality without it, because if nothing is ultimately real, then nothing is real.

You yjink claims aboutnit cannot be made, but this is certainly not the case.

For example, it can be said to exist.

This cannot be a logical falllacy. In fact, saying it doesn't exist IS a logical fallacy.

And even being on the fence about it is not really a good position, because there is no other alternative. There must, by necessity, be Ultimate Reality.

And if you don't understand why this is the case, well... I strongly believe that contemplating the matter seriously reveals this to be evident.

So you are wrong. You can make claims about it. Claims that are intrinsic to what it by necessity means.

There are a number of claims that can be made about The Ultimate Reality, and they are all things that can be extracted from contemplating what that means.

There are two types of theology. Negative theology and positive theology. In Orthodox tradition, we tend to focus more on negative theology, that is, what God isn't.

So if that helps, contemplate what The Ultimate Reality is, and think about what is excluded from being that asking yourself... is this The Ultimate Reality?

Here are some examples of positive theology to ponder.

The Ultimate Reality is One. Are you examining a reality that accounts for everything? 

The Ultimate Reality is non contingent. Are you examining a reality that needs another reality to exist?

The Ultimate Reality is eternal. Are you examing a reality that began to exist or will not exist at some point?

It is reality in the most complete sense. 

It necessarily exists. 

Jewish DNA has nothing to do with The Ultimate Reality.

You are very superstitious, which I guess is to be expected from a polytheist witch.

No, saying reality exists is not enough.

Say The Ultimate Reality exists.

Why can't you say these words?

That is a rhetorical question. If you can't say this directly, I'm not interested in pretending our conversation will go anywhere. You know what you have to do.

Because I love all of you. 

Reminded 

Yet here you are, not taking the next step.

Say The Ultimate Reality exists.

I've talked to you plenty enough to know that nothing I say will help you understand what this means. The problem is with you. Now take the next step.

The Ultimate Reality exists.

And lets go a step further.

Nothing I or anything else anybody says is going to undermine this.

God created everything.

Both you and your DNA.

No disputing that.

Your very life was given to you by my God. God gives you air, water, food. Your very life is held by my God, though you know not.

You say these things not because you truly don't know. You say these things because you think you know better.

It is a false humility that really comes from pride. In the end, it won't serve you.

I hope you receive that word, and contemplate it.

If you prefer lying vanities and vain idols before The Truth, you are choosing hell.

Have I ever told anyone they are going to hell? No, but detachment from God is certainly hell. To know The Truth is Eternal life.

The Ultimate Reality exists, and you are a fool if you deny this.

There is no argument against The Ultimate Reality.

I must become less, so The Ultimate Reality becomes more. It is not me you argue with, it is The Truth. No argument will stand. You waste your effort. You would be better off confessing.

Before there was writing, people knew The Ultimate Reality existed.

You don't know scriptures. Anything you do know was likely taught to you by heretics. My faith doesn't come from scriptures. 

If you were to burn all the scriptures and grind into meat every believer, The Ultimate Reality would still exist, and true knowledge of it could be obtained.

My knowledge has very little to do with your knowledge, and knowledge itself is not the same as The Truth.

The faith is in The Ultimate Reality, not knowledge.

*jerk off motions*

Go away oh foolish man who denies The Ultimate Reality. Your sophistry is meaningless.

I certainly don't hate non Christians. I don't even hate you. I tell you The Truth because I love you.

To fulfill the scriptures.

Having eyes, they see not.

Having ears they hear not.

Having minds they understand not.

They have not the love of truth, so they are cursed with strong delusion. They worship and serve the creature rather than the creator, so they defile themselves.

I am not saying anything that anyone can not know. It is the cloudiness of their hearts that blinds them from what is truly evident.

The Ultimate Reality exists.

My whole life has been dedicated to loving the kind of people you likely treat like crap. You don't know me.

But my life is irrelevant. The best thing anyone can do for their own life is love The Truth, and loving others comes quite naturally drom that.

Your graven image you call my God is not my God. My God is The Ultimate Reality. This isn't a pagan exaggeration but a matter of real identity.

You don't know my God, you war in vain. My God created you and sustains your life. When you die, my God will still be there. My God is your God, though you deny it.

It doesn't matter how the universe started, if it had a start, or anything at all.

If there was anything, The Ultimate Reality was right there. The Ultimate Reality always is. It did not have a start. If it wasn't eternal, it wouldn't be what it is. The Ultimate Reality.

Time is not a reality over The Ultimate Reality.

What does my knowledge have to do with anything? 

You know The Truth exists, it is written on the hearts of all.

Blind you are.

If you loved your brethren, you would lay down your life for the sake of Truth. 

If you can't be firm about this one thing, you have no solid foundation. Fighting me is worthless. Help these people recognize that The Ultimate Reality exists, or be counted among the unbelievers.

The Ultimate Reality is not a creation, oh foolish witch. The Ultimate Reality is The Uncreated Creator of All Creation.