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If you think you aren't under the dominion of The Ultimate Reality...

...you don't understand what that means.

It's not a circular argument. It is The Absolute Truth. It speaks on its own authority. If you deny it's authority, you are denying teuth itself and substituting it with LIES. This is wickedness. Truth is the highest good. Truth is good itself. The Ultimate Reality is the greatest good. Denying The Ultimate Reality is an abominable and wicked blasphemy.

And though every one of you who denies The Truth might as well be guilty of murdering everyone, there is forgiveness to those who repent and turn away from their wicked ways.

I certainly can, and it is simply in accepting The Ultimate Reality as meaning exactly what it means.

Nothing else necessary.

If you can't see this, you are wrong.

Quantum no-cloning theorem says otherwise. No two states are truly the same.

But these are created things. God is not created. There are many realities, but One Ultimate Reality, and all realities are contingent on this Ultimate Reality. The Ultimate Reality alone is self contingent.

Does it matter?

Those who put their faith in lying vanities forsake their own mercy. It is truly in everyone's best interest to GET REAL, and admiting that The Ultimate Reality exists is not a hard thing. These who deny it are effectively saying that Jesus Christ did not come in the flesh. To those with understanding, hear!

There is no trurh in any of these people, they expose their wickedness when they deny Truth itself, and that is what they are doing. The only truth they believe in is the type of truth that is convenient. Reality is what they can get away with. They commit abominations, defiling themselves.

Well, God is quick to forgive the sins of those who repent, turn away from their wickedness and abide in The Truth.

The fact that you think I am forcing anything is proof that you are delusional.

There is no compulsion. You are free to chooose lies over The Truth. To your own detriment! 

And these lies will give you no lasting happiness or satisfaction. Your love of lies makes you a slave to them. The Truth sets you free!

What you think I mean =/= The Ultimate Reality.

The Ultimate Reality is what it is.

What is the alternative to a reality that accounts for all of reality? The destruction of all reality. If there is no Ultimate Reality, what is ultimately real? There is nothing. Yet, clearly there is something.

You deny what you don't understand.

The Ultimate Reality.

Reality as it Truly Is.

Reality in the truest sense.

If you can't accept this, you are truly lost. If you even entertain the idea that denying this isn't foolish, you aren't in much better of a position.

What do you all want? Have you no understanding? Whatever The Ultimate Reality is, that is what it is. Why do you want a created thing in its place? So you can justify yourselves. It's foolishness. Not worthy of serious consideration, and this is not an assertion of unreasonableness. It is not reasonable to deny God, or even be on the fence about it.

The Ultimate Reality exists.

Ya'll can't even admit the common denominator? 

Madness.

You believing in delusion does not overthrow reality.

There is One Ultimate Reality, and you can not overthrow this any more than you can make 2 + 2 23.

I'm exasperating?

I am single handidly exposing atheism for what it is. You don't understand what I'm doing.

These people are at war with reality, they are delusional. They are in serious need of help.

And you are not helping them if you aren't geting with this.

Words have meaning.

You have no understanding.

In the end, you will be humbled by REALITY, which is your God whether you acknowledge this or not.

No pushing by me neccessary.

You are the one who argues with the dictionary and church tradition.

I think my case has more authority backing it up than yours. I also think it would be easier to make the case that you are doing what you are accusing me of.

You can't confess The Ultimate Reality.

That automatically makes you a liar.

Of course The Ultimate Reality applies to everyone.

Your rebellion against The Truth is in vain, witch.

No.

Do you understand what The Ultimate Reality means?

Surely you can admit this exists.

What is the alternative?

It's absolutely necessary.

I claim to know that The Ultimate Reality exists and it by nature precedes everything.

You can't admit this?

Well, you are wrong, because you don't know what ultimate reality means.

The fact that you think there can be more than one shows this.

I wouldn't say that God was living in Ultimate Reality, because God is The Ultimate Reality. The Ultimate Reality is not created, it exists eternally.

At the same time, Jesus said

So maybe in a sense.

No start

You are right. When you make God into an idol, you are mocking a great deal more than I.

The Supreme and Ultimate Reality is God, and there is no other. Is it so hard to admit The Truth?

This is why there can be no world peace. This should be the easiest thing in the world everyone can agree on, and people can't even do that.

Meanwhile, over 20,000,000 of my brothers and sisters were killed in the last century by people who treated believing in God like a mental illness and scourge on society.

The Christian God existed before people called themselves Christians.

The Ultimate Reality exists eternally.

The Ultimate Reality wasn't created.

Lets just keep pretending words are meaningless.

You make a lot more claims for me than I actually make.

You can't even admit the ultimate reality exists.

That is very telling.

It's almost like you people want to be devoured by your children.

Lord have mercy on these hopelessly wicked and ignorant mockers.

Whatever The Ultimate Reality is, it is not what either of us think.

Are we really going to have to go through another 23 page back and forth of you playing stupid?

The Ultimate Reality exists.

Can you even say it?

It's literally a definition.

What is a definition?

"a statement of the meaning of a word or word group or a sign or symbol"

It's not an argument.

The only people who are arguing are you silly people who can't accept the definition of a word because it makes you wrong.

I'm amazed at how dull you people have become for the sake of self righteousness.

The Ultimate Reality is what is being discussed when I use the word "God".

No amount of your aversion to the word God is going to overthrow thousands of years worth of church tradition.

I'm not making this up.

You don't get to arbitrarily redefine words when their meanings aren't convenient to you. 

This is what the concept means. You can deny it all you want, but stubbornly insisting that 3 + 4 = 23 until even the day you die does not overthrow mathematics. Neither does you redefining God to be something other than God overthrow all of theology.

You know that The Ultimate Reality exists. Can you say it? 

The Truth is God.

Religions aren't true, God is true.

And it is God, not god. They mean different things. 

What is the purpose of The Ultimate Reality?

You really going to ask that?

Without God there is nothing. There is no reality without Ultimate Reality, because if there is no Ultimate Reality, nothing is ultimately real, which means that there is no reality.

Well, as we are all having an experience, that has been soundly disproven.

The Ultimate Reality by necessity exists.

Experience is by nature creation.

God is not creation.

Looks like you got something out of me. God is not creation.

Words mean what ever you want them to mean.

Yes, you have established your arbitrariness.

You can go away now if you'd like.

You don't get to make up the meanings of words. Your argument is as stupid as you are.

Not nonsense. The Truth.

The Ultimate Reality is greater than personal witness.

The Ultimate Reality is God.

Knowledge of God =/= God

Meditate on that, and you'll see plenty for yourself. 

If nothing is ultimately real, then nothing you say or believe can be ultimately real either.

There is no reality.

There by definition can only be one Ultimate Reality.

You are off the mark, because you. still don't realize how I have very little to do witg it. My observations, opinions, beliefs, etc are irrelevant.

The Ultimate Reality. It is what it is. Exactly what that means.

I'm not going to bother until you confess that God exists, and nothing I say can change this.

My reality is by definition not the ultimate reality. It has very little to do with what I think. See, we agree.

You still don't understand what I'm saying.

The Ultimate Reality is God.

The Ultimate Reality.

Exactly what that means.

If ylthat isn't good enough for you, it is because you want something you can argue with.

The Ultimate Reality is God.

That is something that goes beyond mine or anyone elses understanding of that.

This is a confession of your own inability to find meaning. Evidently, I believe there is great meaning in what I'm saying.

So what? Is it all just down to arbitrariness?

No, words have meaning. The meaning of the word "God" is The Supreme and Ultimate Reality. That is not an argument. That is a definition. A definition I am not budging on, because any compromise on this gives false hope to the atheist that their position is anything other than utterly invalid.

I'm sorry that The Truth is meaningless to you. 

Reality as it truly is

That is The Ultimate Reality.

I don't believe the gods you argue against.

But if you say The Ultimate Reality doesn't exist, that is foolishness.

The Truth doesn't change.

The Ultimate Reality certainly does exist, and if you say that it doesn't, your assertion cannot be true. It is self defeating.

In other words, reality is arbitrary.

Lol

There is no "my ultimate reality", there is only what fhe ultimate reality actually is.

Instead of the revelation here being that you don't understand my faith, you simply take the association as being ridiculous.

Orthodox Christianity understands God as being The Ultimate Reality. That is what we acknowledge as being The One True God.

And it certainly isn't just Orthodox Christians, but that is certainly how we understand God.

But understanding the faith has never gotten in the way of our persecuters before. The first step is usually making us into something deserving of mockery, not worthy of serious consideration.