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So you think chucking bricks through store fronts is an acceptable form of protest? What if it was your store?

I wouldn't call those who wrote the bible iron age savages.

Why don't you ask a Rabbi? They will tell you the same thing I am. God is not a male or female.

There is by definition only 1 Ultimate Reality, otherwise it wouldn't be The Ultimate Reality.

The realest most existiest truest reality there is.

You don't have to know it to know it exists. 

And if you can know anything, it is at least what is implied by contemplating what those words mean.

Merriam-webster collegiate dictionary, which is also the one they host on their website.

But thousands of years ago, before English even, there has been a consistent understanding of the concept.

The definition is very in line with theology, which is why I am referencing it. It is a good definition.

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

Both male and female are created in the image of God.

"in divinitate enim nullus est sexus"

Yet theology has never had a problem understanding that God  cannot be considered male or female.

I think that the first amendment guarantees the right to protest more than the government, right? What about businesses? Wouldn't you say there is a right way and a wrong way to do this?

I also see you not making a connection, which I don't find surprising. Do you ever contribute to a topic, or is your whole purpose to simply be rude and destructive?

Well, keep it up. Eventually, you might find that I lose interest in responding to you. 

Not making the connection.

"All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

Omnipotence means God wrote the OP.

There are clearly crimes being commited here that aren't related to the freedom of speech, the right to peaceably assemble. Etc.

Doesn't seem to be much interest for the beginner game. I'll give it a try.

I guess I missed the first game, eh?

Blocking the bridge during ACL even, messing with the buslines and the city's bread and butter. What is up with this certain brand of protester that think it's ok to block one of the most difficult bridges to turn around from? Protest by causing pandemonium and chaos?

Traffic blockers are up there, just a step behind vandalizers if you ask me. Because you can't accept what happens, inconvenience everyone else?

What makes the people who take part in these things think this gathers sympathy for their cause? This is straight up terrorism.

Now hey, protesting is arguably an American pastime, but there are times when protesters need to cut the crap. Anybody got some more examples of protesters being obnoxious?

K bud

What do you mean by hidden formats?

Those verses shouldn't be swapped. Very clearly verse 20 comes after the water came from the rock

The helper is The Holy Spirit or Spirit of Truth, which is very clear from the context of that scripture.

And no, that psalm actually makes more sense the way it is. Verse 20 clearly goes after the previous 5 verses because it has to do with the Hebrews complaining for food after they were given water. 

I don't think you are being truthful at all, and if you are, you are very haughty. Repent.

So you think that because others have allegedly altered scripture and it stuck, you should do the same thing and somehow this is the right thing to do?

So are you saying these errors are in the source texts or translations of the source texts?

If you look at the instructions on how to use the dictionary, that part after the "such as" is subsumed, not exhaustive.

Certainly The Ultimate Reality is seen as these things and worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe. However, the integral part of the definition is "The Supreme or Ultimate Reality", and this conception of the monotheistic God is universal, even in cultures alien to the Abrahamic faiths.

But something that needs to be understood about Christianity is that it very much looks like the opposite of what it really is sometimes, and it is something that goes to the very founding of it. 

But as even St Augustine once wrote, True Religion has always existed, since the beginning, and in his day it took the form of Christianity. 

The Ultimate Reality is God. That is the foundation of True Religion. Everything else is abiding in that. It's easy to get confused by cultural things and the power plays of politicians and wizards. Christianity teaches that God is King and Savior and we are really all in this together. The Church is Catholic, or Universal. Just because an institution claims to be universal does not make it so. The Church is the body of Christ, of whom all things were created by, exist in, are sustained, by, and have eternal life through.

It's a mystery, but that doesn't mean that it is meaningless, and even mysteries can be understood. But they can't be understood if you don't believe. The very foundation of faith is that God exists. If you don't believe this, you can get nowhere. This is a dead tree, and self condemnation.

If it wasn't so, things wouldn't be the way they are, and God made things the way they are. It's really quite alright.

But Christianity is about being a disciple of God. If God is The Truth, there is clearly a right way and a wrong way to love God. After all, we are loving The Truth, which is incompatible with loving the things of this world. To love God more than the things that satisfy the lusts of the senses and mind is very alien to a hedonistic culture. Christian theology sees this as idolatry. These things bribe usnaway from The Truth. And they clearly do, at least to those with eyes to see.

So Christianity is very very misunderstood because most people are superstitious. Believers and unbelievers. 

But what is it really all about, cutting through it all?

The Ultimate Reality is God. Love God with everything. Show others charity, because you have been wrong and are still wrong. If you hate someone for being wrong, you condemn yourself because you aren't any better. Forgive. 

But if you get nothing else, get that The Ultimate Reality is God, because that is what this topic is about.

The definition I am presenting to you is accurate, and what has been understood theologically for thousands of years.

I think it is important to realize that just because something doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean that it objectively does not make sense.

But atheists do deny The Ultimate Reality if they deny God.

So if an atheist believes there is Ultimate Reality, they are not really an atheist, and should abandon that identity. They would be more useful in theological discussions if they did so.

It would also greatly open them up good sensical rational theology that they missed out on by holding onto a superstitious idea of God.

We've been over this before. Not going to do it again.

Ultimate Reality is not as complicated to accept as existing as you make it out to be.

That is the correct theological understanding of the concept. 

And it has been for thousands of years.

It's not an innovation.

You being uneducated is not proof to the contrary.

Maybe people should listen to Alex Jones for balance 

Infowars.com

I work for a government contractor, and we are pretty much forced to watch msnbc all day long. Every so often cnn.

Alex Jones is not hate speech. He is right about what these people are doing, and they want to silence him for it.

How do I know? Because I used to be involved with these people. Alex Jones is right about them. Thats what I think.

Being a solipsist is easy. Reject everything

It takes as much thought to reject everything on hearing as it does to believe everything on hearing. None.

There is nothing about solipsism that makes the solipsist particularly insightful or intelligent. It is skepticism at an extreme. A 10 year old solipsist is on the same level as a 50 year old one. It is a totally vapid and insipid epistemelogical black hole to fall in.

The haughtiness of it is demonstrated here. Solipsists stop at, "I know I exist", but if they had any real guts they'd know that it is more certain that God exists than even themselves. For experience itself proves that there is some form of reality, and if there is some form of reality there is ultimate reality, or that which is ultimately real. If there was no reality, there could not be existence.

Even satanists, who worship the self as god before God, deceived and wicked as they are, consider solipsism to be an abominable worldview. 

You are a solipsist, so what you are demanding is a miracle.

But this is a topic about God, and as I said...

If you don't accept this clear truth, I have nothing more to say to you, because I won't be able to overcome my belief that you are a trouble making mad fumbler.

God is what God is. I cannot help your blindness. Only God can.

In a generation or 2, we will probably have censored commie china internet, so I can't say.

I have read scriptures from every major religion, many minor ones, occultic.... I can see truth in all of it. 

But Christianity doesn't teach idolatry of scripture. Islam does. Some sects of Christianity take The Bible as being the direct infallible, inerrant, perfect word of God, but that is not actually what the bible says is The Word of God. Christianity teaches that God is True. Everything about Christianity is about becoming more honest towards this and loving people.

So my faith is not idolatry of scripture.

Reflecting God is not the point of Christianity, relationship with God is so you have it all wrong.

Christianity is about loving God by loving others with truth and mercy. Charity. Not living for the sake of satisfying ones own lusts, but sacrificing oneself for the sakenof others, in hope that they may come to knowledge of The Truth. 

Because God is the only one that liberates from this world. 

So you have a fundamental misunderstanding about what the bible is for. You have a fundamental misunderstanding about what Christianity is, and you need to be taught fresh. And if you don't believe I am teaching you real Christianity, know that this is what I teach in the churches, with the blessings of doctors of the faith, missionaries, and many others involved in ministry. I teach at several churches. I head ministries of my own. 

And if you don't believe me, the evidence can primarily be found in the letters of Paul, John, Peter, James... the epistles. there is no better collection of writings in the bible that explain the faith so simply and thoroughly.

The epistles. From Romans onward.

Sounds like a very good moderation policy. 

Reality as it truly is... that is the ultimate reality. You can be certain this exists because if it weren't so, there wouldn't be a reality as it seems to be.

It is impossible to prove anything to a solipsist, so you aren't being genuine.

The Truth is God.

If you don't believe this God, you don't believe anything, and everything you say can be discounted as insincere.

That is, if it could be believed that you know what it is you are saying.

The realest truest existiest reality there is.

The Ultimate Reality.

If you believe this exists, you aren't really an atheist because you acknowledge my God.

Pretty simple.

If you believe tgere is reality to reality at all, you believe in my God, because there is no reality without my God.

Sincerty of faith and charity

Thats true religion

Debate is always stupid when people don't believe in the truth or aren't really trying to get to the truth.

What happens on the religion forum is just a more honest look into what is really going on for the rest of the site. It is the same here as it was on DDO.

What is debate among people who don't believe in truth? Rhetoric. Pissing contest. Popularity contest. Contest of stubbornness. Games of wannabe magicians.

So what is respectable about debate? Nothing. There is no reason to be smug or pretentious about it. Debate without truth is the sport of fools, and no matter how clever the fools are, they are only sowing discord, chaos, and destruction. It's an ego game. It's bullshit.

So what happens on the religion forum is very relevent. After all, there are people running around, yourself included, who identify with a label that means that you don't even believe in truth itself.

If you've been fooled into adopting such an idiotic position, what else have you been fooled of?

Being wrong can be a very humbling and life changing experience. 

The mad fumblers are cursed with strong delusion. 

The one thing that sheds light on to everything they say is that they don't believe in truth. 

Only here to kill, steal, and destroy.

Atheists are the ones who make the religion forum stupid. If atheists weren't there, we could actually discuss theology.

The atheists go around shouting, "There is no Truth! Bwahahaha!"

This is why otherwise intelligent people are turned off by theology. They are listening to the people whose position is that there is no truth.

You can't expect anyone who has sense to take the atheist seriously when they simply want to destroy everything and deny truth. 

I don't think the people who consider their position as being possibly legitimate even understand that the atheist position is that there is no truth. They only say what they think sounds convincing. They only can loe, because they don't believe anything they say is true. It's mindlessly destructive.

You can't say "The Ultimate Reality doesn't exist"

You can't even actually deny my God. All you do make little strawmen to tear down.

You can't say, "The Ultimate Reality doesn't exist".

You want to hide your true position because even you are aware that your true position is madness. 

Repent and confess The Truth, oh wicked one, it will be better for you in the end.

Yeah, and those 3,000 stiff necked people would have killed everyone else through their uncooperation because they were wandering through the desert and the entire community could not afford to suffer foolishness. 

It might seem strange to someone like you living in rich decadent 21st century luxury to stone someone to death for stealing, or sleeping with someone elses wife, but when you are a people wandering through the desert with hardly any resources, you can't afford these things. Such crime is amplified. 

But you are still making a critical error. The God of Christianity is not the bible. The bible is a witness to The God of Christianity. And truly, The God of The Bible and The God of Christianity are the same God. The One God. The author and perfecter of our the faith.

The God you don't know because you can't tell the difference between creation and the uncreated, and prefer to attack created things rather than The Ultimate Reality.

Because even you know that attacking God is stupid.

Can you say, "The Ultimate Reality doesn't exist"?

Or are you going to cop out again and ask "what is really really real?"

What is really really real is what is really really real. Whatever that is. That is God. The Ultimate Reality.

Can you say, "The Ultimate Reality doesn't exist"?

I bet you can't, because even you know this is stupid. And if you do, you make yourself look stupid(er). You are trapped. You'd be better off turning away from your wickedness and admitting the clear and manifest truth.

That God exists.

Or if you can't, go on and say, "The Ultimate Reality doesn't  exist".

By the way, secularmerlin is a solipsist, he's in an epistemological black hole. 

The Trinity details a relationship, it is not a dividing of God into 3.

We relate to God through God's Word with The Spirit of Truth.

These 3 are one, and the easiest way to see this is to realize what they have in common. Truth.

This topic is of course not about Christianity, but God. Not everyone who believe in The Ultimate Reality identifies as a Christian.

Then join the rest of the mad fumblers if you want, because it is between you and God not you and me.

Yes, because drinking gasoline is just as good for you as drinking water.

If you are going to be so dim witted, you might as well just start smoking crack. After all, there is no right or wrong, yeah?

Think about what you are saying. If you can't figure it out on your own, I'm not going to be able to figure it out for you. 

Next time you buy something, just roll some dice to figure out how much you end up paying them. Then pay them in monopoly money.

Use your head and figure out what this means... LOVE THE TRUTH.... if you can't figure out how there is a right way of doing this and a wrong way, THINK HARDER, because you are wasting my time otherwise.

Get real. Get honest. 

And I know you are capable of this, because you aren't really a dummy. I don't need to explain or prove anything. 

If you don't believe there is a right way to love the truth, why pretend you are asking me honest questions? 

If you want to be a fool, go ahead and be a fool. As I said, it's popular these days.

Not interested in getting into a tumble with another mad fumbler.

Then by all means, cop out and embrace arbitrariness. No one is stopping you. In fact, it's pretty popular these days.