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@Stephen
Stop talking to me please, I don't care what you have to say.
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Really tho, on inerrancy of scripture and such, this video is good.
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@TheRealNihilist
Naturally, to a christianity divorced from the living church, this is an issue as the bible is ALL THEY HAVE.
So when you scoff, realize that you are scoffing because your idea of how the bible is supposed to be revered is largely influenced by this churchless christianity. The bible is all they have to work with.
So when you scoff, realize that you are scoffing because your idea of how the bible is supposed to be revered is largely influenced by this churchless christianity. The bible is all they have to work with.
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@ronjs
Yeah, that is what the scriptures say. If done in church, it needs an interpreter.
In the Orthodox Church where we know the divine liturgy by heart, it acts as interpreter. So when the priest from Serbia comes to visit, and sings in his lines in Serbian, we know what he is singing even when we don't understand the language he speaks.
On the day of pentecost, we have a practice in our church of reciting the scripture of the day in every language that anyone can recite it in.
That is what speaking and interpreting tongues looks like.
Truly though, weeping while waving your arms skyward and going, "Aaaahg raaah!? weeerm gyeh!" Can be a legitimate prayer. It may be gibberish, but I wouldn't want anyone to think I'd say otherwise.
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@Stephen
You come back to this topic 10 days later not to contribute to it, but to save face?
Real classy
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@3RU7AL
Free will does not actually imply random, because free will always operates in a set of circumstances. Random would imply a disregard for circumstances in action.
Choice is not random.
It is a fact that our experience is largely one of choices. If we deny that we are making choices, we have made ourselves into slaves. Into robots.
That isn't what it means to be human. Part of being truly human is to accept responsibility for our actions and embrace the suffering that is required to live virtuously
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I understand.
This video addresses both the OP and the topic of biblical inerrancy.
The Old Testament chronicles a people who are struggling with idolatry. That being the case, people who believe in biblical inerrency as fundamentalist protestants and such do are missing the point greatly. In fact, they are commiting idolatry by making the bible out to be something that it isn't.
The Church actually does believe in biblical inerrancy, but definitely not in the same way. The video does a good job clearing that up.
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People know its stupid to hold animals to the same standard of behavior as humans.
Same people hold God to human standards.
God is The Truth.
The Truth is, a society full of invalids who smoke pot and play videogames all day is destined to collapse in on itself. Don't be mad at God for punishing you for your preoccupation with vanity!
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@Discipulus_Didicit
You should also watch the above video
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@n8nrgmi
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@LordLuke
I'll give it a go, it might be fun.
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If you do not walk in truth, how is it reasonable to expect to see truth? It really isn't.
Maybe the best argument for God is really, "Come and see for yourself."
But alas, a faithless generation is cursed to slide deeper and deeper into delusion until it repents and walks in the way of The Lord or is destroyed by its own stupidity.
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The faithless have it all backwards. God is revealed in The Walk.
To demand that God reveal Himself before committing to the walk is not much different than a "scientist" who refuses to perform an experiment before knowing what the result will be.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
"He that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."
Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
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1. All things that are perceived must exist (given that the nonexistent can't be perceived.)2. God is perceived (believed in by his adherents.)3. Therefore God exists.
I think this argument works better to prove that illusions exist.
What defines an illusion but its unreality? Yet illusions do exist as illusions.
Why I don't think this is a good argument for God is that it obscures the identity of God while at the same time trivializing it.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
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The Ultimate Reality as it Truly Is in essence, that is God.
It should be evident to any sensible person that God is incomprehensible, yet evidently existent.
Know that God exists, and have faith that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him!
Those who diligently seek Him will find Life in The Eternal Way of Truth.
The Way was established before all things, and it established all things.
To abide in The Way is to become divine by virtue of synergia with God.
In The Way, man is reconciled to divinity.
The Way is Jesus Christ.
Life in The Eternal Way of Truth.
Worship of God in Spirit and Truth.
The Way is a road to be walked, a cross to carry.
In Spirit and in Truth. In Trinity.
Glory to The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit who are blessed now and ever and unto ages of ages amen
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Certainly not a Northern European looking hippy type that goes around screwing Middle Eastern virgins, getting them pregnant and then having their only son nailed to a cross so that mere mortals can repent of their sins or some such shit as that
Nobody believes that anyway, with the..exception of maybe BrotherDThomas.
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@HistoryBuff
If you believe I am ignorant, then poo pooing away my legitimate concerns is not the way to help me know better.
As I stated, every "communist" country that I know of calls themselves a republic or democracy. So when you say there is a difference, how am I supposed to readily accept that?
I am not throwing around insults. I am being very open about where I am at, and what it sounds like.
So what is democratic socialism? A stepping stone to other forms of socialism that do entail the seizing of the economy by the government? How is it that until recently, everyone knew that socialism in Marxist theory is the intermediate stage on the way to communism?
My biggest concern, as I'd like to make clear, is that the people who run these movements are in fact marxists, and their end goal entails the abolition of my church. The very idea of a hierarchical church with Bishops, priests, deacons and such is antithetical to the marxist ideal.
It is a legitimate concern, and it is an issue very close to me. I am nonpolitical. However, I am very anti-communist. Why shouldn't I be? It threatens my very way of life, and I am not even a capitalist or a materialist for that matter!
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@HistoryBuff
I don't know.
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@HistoryBuff
I understand how words modify the meanings of things.
What do I know about socialism? I know that in the name of socialism governments slaughtered thousands of bishops and priests, demolished churches, and starved, tortured, and killed 50+ million of my people in the last century.
I think I am justified in being suspicious.
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@HistoryBuff
But yeah, to stay on topic, dirty tricks don't make a campaign look good.
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@HistoryBuff
All socialist countries call themselves democracies and republics.
So I don't really get the distinction.
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@HistoryBuff
Socialism quite naturally is attractive to revolutionaries. Revolutionaries tend to be throwed off about something. If socialism didn't simultaneously appeal to peoples compassion and greed it wouldn't be as attractive as it is to people.
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@HistoryBuff
Bernie Sanders not being a socialist is news to me. I didn't realize this was a controversial thing.
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@HistoryBuff
Sanders is a socialist, so he is naturally going to be surrounded by these people.
It is something bigger than Bernie, as even he knows.
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@disgusted
I agree with this statement
"The truth is not contingent on the religion you have chosen or had chosen for you."
And have the entire time I have been on this site.
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I think it would be funny if a huge gaslighting campaign was waged against antifa by painting them out to be and treating them as if they are a front for extremist anti-homosexuals.
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@disgusted
Nihilism is the doctrine of negation.
That being the case, it is totally reasonable for me to believe that the intent of your conversation is to demolish everything down to nothing, or the nihil, and The Truth does not factor into your thinking so much as the effectiveness of the means used to bring about the end.
You are not having a conversation with me, you are simply using this little piece of knowledge falsely so called to dismiss everything I say outright and render it meaningless.
You very consistently behave in a nihilistic or destructive manner.
I am sure there are many pantheons that have a name for The Ultimate Reality, and without a doubt The Uncreated God is greater than any of these created pantheons. Your argument is stupid, because you are not discerning what is being discussed.
That being the case, it is totally reasonable for me to believe that the intent of your conversation is to demolish everything down to nothing, or the nihil, and The Truth does not factor into your thinking so much as the effectiveness of the means used to bring about the end.
You are not having a conversation with me, you are simply using this little piece of knowledge falsely so called to dismiss everything I say outright and render it meaningless.
You very consistently behave in a nihilistic or destructive manner.
I am sure there are many pantheons that have a name for The Ultimate Reality, and without a doubt The Uncreated God is greater than any of these created pantheons. Your argument is stupid, because you are not discerning what is being discussed.
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@Stephen
Since a lot of your questions pertain to John's authority and such...
Who was St. John the forerunner's father?
St John the baptist was an actual priest in the order of Aaron.
If we can play a game of you make your list of questions shorter as I answer a couple at a time, I'll consider answering more.
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@disgusted
The Truth is not contingent on ANYTHING, it is Uncreated. That means The Truth is not contingent on religion at all, and so even the question of whether or not the religion was inherited or found is irrelevant.
So as from the start, I agree.
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@Lunatic
If you judge others based on standards you yourself do not abide to, you will find yourself judged by those standards.
Christ is the judge of all.
Lord have mercy.
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A fascist is a bundle of sticks. This can even be seen on the fascist flag.
Old English slang for bundle of sticks is a faggot.
Therefore anti fags.
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@HistoryBuff
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@BrotherDThomas
I am traveling in my Salvation Bus to Nevada once again to save as many whores as possible in the name of Jesus, where as I have said before, someone has to do it in Jesus' name, praise!
Translation: crack baby basketball
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
God is the fountainhead of all existence. So you could say that God sustains the universe.
What doesn't God do? Everything that we ourselves do is done from the use or misuse of what God has given us. Every action we take, God is our movement.
I don't believe it would be correct to say that God does anything for fun. It is important to note that when human emotions are ascribed to God, it is always allegorical. God does not get angry like people do, rather, God's anger is a way of describing what happens when peoples faith in vain or fuitless things reach the logical climax of kicking them in the ass.
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@OntologicalSpider
What we mean by "God" with a capital "G" is The Ultimate Reality.
If this is disputed, then I don't believe in the god you are talking about either.
If you say there is no ultimate reality, then you are expressing the position of nihilism, which discredits you as a total crank.
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@disgusted
So when I say that you are correct in this regard, I am a liar?
You are consistent in your nihilism, I'll give you that.
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@disgusted
Your claims are false.
As you have already denied the existence of Ultimate Reality under the pretense that the words I am using are meaningless, It would be totally reasonable to dismiss you as a nihilist.
As a nihilist, you have nothing of substance to add to this conversation.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
This some context from the Brenton translation of the septuigint into English.
I would like to point out that since The New Testament uses the language of the septuigint, parallels between the two testaments pop out a great deal more.
"My son, attend to my speech; and apply thine ear to my words:
that thy fountains may not fail thee; keep them in thine heart.
For they are life to those that find them, and health to all their flesh.
2lKeep thine heart with the utmost care; for out of these are the issues of life.
Remove from thee a froward mouth, and put far away from thee unjust lips.
Let thine eyes look right on, and let thine eyelids assent to just things.
Make straight paths for thy feet, and order thy ways aright.
Turn not aside to the right hand nor to the left, but turn away thy foot from an evil way: for God knows the ways on the right hand, but those on the left are crooked: and he will make thy ways straight, and will guide thy steps in peace."
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@Discipulus_Didicit
The problem is rooted in the natural difficulty of translating idioms.
Most English bibles may compound this difficulty in that the Old Testament is translated from Hebrew and the New Testament from Kone Greek.
For example, The King James translates the Hebrew word into "the belly" rather than "the heart". The word in question has more to with one's inner being or spirit.
To believe on Jesus would be the same as to "keep your heart with diligence".
Just as it is also stated in scripture, "From an abundance of the heart, so the mouth speaks", from a pure heart springs forth life.
I am 100% sure this is the scripture Christ is referencing, and if what I just said doesn't make that clear, I can go into more detail if necessary.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
It is without a doubt a reference to proverbs 4, verse 23 to highlight.
This is somewhat obscured in translations, but this is the passage that is being referenced.
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@ludofl3x
Certainly an accusation is a type of evidence, and to the prudent individual, could not in itself be considered proof.
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@ludofl3x
Whether or not you consider the bible proof, I think it would be silly to deny that it is evidence.
The church itself is evidence, whether or not you consider it proof.
What makes something proof as merriam-webster defines is...
"the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact."
Proof is evidence that you find convincing. If an evidence causes you to change your mind, it is proof to you. To someone who finds the same evidence unconvincing, they would not be lying if they said "I see no proof".
Lets not get evidence confused with proof. That is all I am trying to point out.
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@LordLuke
Are you an aspiring proctologist?
In any case, what do you find interesting about that subject?
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@disgusted
It is actually a formula for how the divine is revealed in the symbol.
If you don't believe The Word is what it says it is, it is like speaking of a rose as originating in the first use of the pronunciation "rose".
The Ultimate Reality was not invented or created, it by necessity in order to properly be what those words express, has always been, always is, and will forever will be.
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@disgusted
Orthodox Christianity isn't for wimps, it requires picking up your cross daily.
Self sacrifice.
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@Stephen
If it was really as easy as you say, there wouldn't be such a large proliferation of heresies that all claim to be biblical.
No one is calling anyone stupid except you, and it isn't nice.
It should be obvious that the bible isn't in its proper context removed from the church. It isn't even simply a matter of interpretation.
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