Mopac

There has not been made a proper translation into English by the Orthodox Church. In fact, Orthodoxy is not very big in English speaking countries. Most of the translation work is being done by protestants and such.

When his own people is definitely a better translation than his friends or family. Though, you could probably argue that everyone in town was family, the words that get translated very inconsistently in English when it comes to this passage do not necessarily even imply a intimate relation. 

Then hearing about this multitude being there, the people nearby, which is what the words literally mean, does not necessarily  mean closeness in the sense of family or friends, but in the spatial sense. The people who were around. There is a multitude, you know.

Mark was not really the most eloquent writer in Greek which has sometimes made him tricky to translate or interpret. The other gospels account a similar if not identical situation... The word that gets translated into "he is out of his mind" in your translations is literally one word. That word when used in every other instance of Mark very consistently gets translated as "amazed" and such. That word has been made bold in these parallels...

I am using The King James version as it is not under copywrite in The United States, and it is adequate to make point..

If we look at parallel in Matthew....

If we look at parallel in Luke....

If we look back at our passage in question in Mark....

You can repeat yourself all you want, you have a non argument. Your polemic  is easily  some of the flimsiest I have ever seen. I have seen 12 year old athesists make nore intelligent arguments than you.

So perhaps you'd be better off talking about subjects that you can more convincingly bullshit that you are an expert on.

Child sacrifice is an abomination and I think your reasoning is wicked.

Abortion or r the "right" to have one isn't worth defending. 

Perhaps society should move away from the myth that sexual immorality isn't real outside of rape.

This is not relevant to our discussion.

When I hear "gun control" I think pistol twirling and trick shooting. 

I have a feeling I might be Texan.

No it isn't.

It isn't legal to kill non citizens.

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

You are the one fantasizing about registering fetuses doood.

But it is good to hear that you are not pro-child sacrifice. .

I personally hope they don't go any further into Syria, because The Church of Antioch is now headquartered in Damascus, and I think it would be a terrible thing for 2 ancient Patriarchal sees to be under the Turkish government.

Abortion has nothing to do  with privacy, this is ridiculous. 

In 2019, do you really believe you have privacy anyway?

You don't have to answer that, it is kind of a half joke.

Easily trust Jesus over fake spiritual leader Harikrish.

You are comparing human sacrifice to not being watched when you are using the bathroom.

Please keep your errors to one topic so that they do not have to be refuted.more than once.

Would you do me a favor and translate what this says into English as independent confirmation?

καὶ ἀκούσαντες οἱ παρ’ αὐτοῦ ἐξῆλθον κρατῆσαι αὐτόν· ἔλεγον γὰρ ὅτι ἐξέστη.

You are not going to get around the.fact that the Greek simply does not say this.

Nowhere in this passage does it say anything about Jesus' family or Jesus beimg "out of his mind"

It is really quite the opposite. I say The Ultimate Reality is what it is and admit that God's essence is unknowable,  as is the position of the church.

You think that The Ultimate Reality must be equated to something else, like say a theory of how things are or some other thought.

We know that The Ultimate Reality is incomprehensible, and so any claim to circumscribe God with the intellect must be some form of prelest.

Child sacrifice is abomination, whether done publicly or privately. Whether anyone knows about it or not. 

Any "moral theory" that fails to recognize this can only come from satanic influence.

A human being did not create all of existence. A human being does not sustain all of existence. You accuse us of believing what we do not.

The order thst can be discerned externally is proof of a unifying reality that binds all things. I do not believe this is an extraordinary claim.

Trust, much like love, is a choice not an emotion.

The door is always open. It is of course, your choice.

To surrender your will to God, that is, be a slave to truth, is much better than being a slave to passions, urges, influences, or anything in creation.

Of course, as long as we are in the meatsuit, we are going to be in some way tied to creation. No matter how pure you get, you will still get hungry. You will always be a creature operating in the medium of creation. 

Yet filling all things is The Spirit of Truth, and not only can it be discerned, but through practice one can come to abide in it. If you love The Truth, there is a right way of doing things. That right way in practice a lot of times superficially appears to be many different paths, because we all have our own walk. We all have our own personal relationship with God in our experience. However, what is held in common is True Religion. That is, worshipping God in Spirit and in Truth. But what does that look like? The Church can teach you what this looks like, if you out of your own free will choose to be taught. Christ has a gift for you, but if you do not open your arms and accept this gift, to whom does the gift belong? 

What exactly do you find difficult about this?

I did what I thought I would actually do. Which, for the most part I think would match up with what I consider the best option morally.

It is better for a child to listen to their parents than to fight and question everything they say.

The outward form of our faith is practically intended to confound the so called wise, because ours is a faith of revelation. It is impossible to come to know Christ without the humility to say, "I don't really know", the charity to truly listen and learn, and the faith to put what you are told into practice.

In order to come to God, you must by your own free will direct yourself toward Him. Christ is at the door knocking, and it is your decision to get up, open the. door, and even let Him dwell within you.

Note that Melchizidec doles out the bread and wine.

Kinda like the eucharist, eh?

The Church has long recognized Melchizidec as a type or prefiguring of Christ.

I actually took the test. I thought I would probably come out as lawful good, but chaotic good beat it by 2%.

I personally think if we are going to have laws at all, abortion is one of those things that should be illegal.

Truly though, I see this whole problem as a spiritual one, not a legal one. 

An applicable definition of sacrifice courtesy of Merriam-webster...

"a : destruction or surrender of something for the sake of something else

I believe that The United States in particular(really, the country I am most familiar with)has a very unhealthy and immoral(or amoral?) attitude towards sex, and abortion, like so many other things, is a very ineffective bandaid to grapple with a society given over to sexual immorality. I say it is ineffective  because sexual immorality is not seen as the issue, but pregnancy itself.

Sexual immorality will in the long term destroy society if there isn't a widescale revolt against it.

Look how now they have pills that prevent HIV. Doesn't protect against syphilis,  gonorrhea, or other STDs! No worries, pharmaceutical companies can give you pills to get rid of those. They'll make bank off of exploiting the type of immoral lifestyle that causes so many problems! The medication may be able to cure or prevent the biological harm sexual immorality causes, but it won't do anything for the psychological effect it has on a society!

Whille I am glad that you are against abortion, I am legitimately offended at your (possibly feigned) argument. This is not a women's rights issue to me. It is not even a fetal rights issue to me.

Lets get it straight. We are talking about child sacrifice. I don't need a legal justification for finding it abominable. 

Also, we use the septuigant for the Old Testament primarily,  not the msdoretic text which the NRSV is translated from.

Also, their source texts are from Nestle-Aland, which are post textual criticism texts that do not really match our transcripts.

So no, your claim that this is our bible is false.

Moo

Really tho

I don't believe most of what I hear about Trump, because it is really obvious that no one is being honest about the guy. It is also obvious  they got it out for him. How many 24/7 Trump "news" networks do we need?

And I did not vote for him, nor do I plan on voting for  him.

I think it makes it look like they are cheating. Ever since he has been elected, they have literally been trying to impeach him by throwing as much crap against the wall as possible and hoping something will stick.

Perhaps you would be better off abandoning your fill in the blank method of making sense of things, because it is really bad for discernment 

Wow

If you don't want to have a baby, don't have sex.

Well, for starters Mark 3:21...

The text in Greek does not actually say what your translation says.

I don't agree at all.

And still, it is better to have the mentality of a slave to truth than say, being a slave to fornication.

The god of convenience/sexual immorality.

A live birth certainly.

Anyone who cares to look into any of your claims, even with. the most minimal of efforts can confirm that they are based on perverse reasonings and removing scripture from context.

It is certainly not that The Church missed anything.

As you are denying a child its birth through abortion, I believe it is totally justifiable to call it child sacrifice.

I hardly woild consider a healthy fear of The Truth to be a bad thing. Indeed, the fear of God is the beginning of all wisdom.