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@ethang5
“I know you are but what am I” really only works for Pee-weeHerman.
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@ethang5
Well, everything you say is a biased interpretation of questionable anecdotal information and confirmation bias. It's bigoted, you'll call anybody that disagrees with you stupid as a group or individually and imply that they are subhuman. In fact, this entire thread is nothing but bigotry based on biased interpretation of anecdotal information, confirmation bias, anger and fear. Not only is it unrealistic it's really ugly and vicious mentality.
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@TheRealNihilist
He’s making judgments about human society.
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@TheRealNihilist
I would say sociology not philosophy. His philosophy is kindergarten level at best if it can even be called philosophy.
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@TheRealNihilist
He thinks his grasp of what's going on is correct because he overestimates his competence.
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@ethang5
Docs claim is ad hom as are just about all of yours.
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@disgusted
The fundamental problem with Intelligent Design is that it doesn't answer any questions. It doesn't tell you who the designer was, it doesn't tell you what the designer did to design things, it doesn't tell you what tools the designer used to design things, it doesn't tell you what reason the designer had for designing you, it doesn't tell you what the designer was like, it doesn't tell you what the designers intention for you was. It doesn't really answer any questions at all. It's completely worthless.
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@TheRealNihilist
I would use a different word to describe him.
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@Dr.Franklin
You are a very good example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
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@EtrnlVw
Well, I'm connected with my origin by a long causal chain leading back billions of years to the very moment of creation. That's just one example of my connection with the creator, there are many. Is that good enough?
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@EtrnlVw
I want to be spiritual, but I do not wish to believe in god, is this possible?
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@Athias
I have to say you have a good point. That is an external focus of religion that does actually exist in reality.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
When we find out they can move god just beyond that.
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@zedvictor4
That's a given, but imagine how much better off we would all be if the understanding of nature through science were included in religion.
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@Dynasty
The advantage that religion has but never uses is that it could place a god figure just the other side of what we know. At this time that would be just before the big bang, no one knows what happened before that. If I were omnipotent I would devise a design where I set the process in motion and let the natural forces I created produce the desired outcome.
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@EtrnlVw
I'm a bit disappointed because you appear to be dismissing me, but that's okay because what you have said so far is helping me understand more than what anyone else has said. Thanks.
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@EtrnlVw
What I want out of my spiritual awakening is to simply experience it and understand what it is.
So far I think you are doing pretty good. I feel a little unsure, but I think I'm beginning to get it.
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@Athias
You're right about the external, I missed that part. There is the thing about wanting to be part of the community, but that comes from an internal evolutionary instinct and subsequent strong desire that humans have for acceptance. People join the community because they don't want to be outsiders and they join the community for themselves, they want to be accepted as a part of a group. It's a survival instinct that they have very little control over. When you talk about community that is indeed a very important dynamic, if there were no community and consensus no one would join.
You believe god exists because you can? You have a short circuit there which conveniently ignores all the reasons, this is quite typical.
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@EtrnlVw
Can you tell me about the rules and applications? That seems important if I'm going to start being spiritual. What are the fundamentals, what should I do to get started?
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@ethang5
I looked it up in the dictionary and is says:
The quality of being concerned with the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things.
Then I looked up the human spirit on the internet and is says:
The human spirit includes our intellect, emotions, fears, passions, and creativity. In the models of Daniel A. Helminiak and Bernard Lonergan, human spirit is considered to be the mental functions of awareness, insight, understanding, judgment and other reasoning powers.
So that's where I started assuming that is not all there is to know about it.
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@disgusted
The afterlife is death, which is a peaceful state in which you are in no pain or discomfort, do not experience the passage of time, have no thoughts at all and never get bored. Not great, but not bad either.
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@Dr.Franklin
I don't think that's any secret and I don't see why that would matter unless you think spirituality can only be possible under your own rigid definition. If that’s the case I already know what your going to say.
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@Dr.Franklin
Yes I do, but the last thing I'm going to do is talk to a friend about religion because I want to keep them as friends.
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@RationalMadman
Okay then, explain the physical forces involved and how they act on the earth to make it flat.
I'm ready to learn!
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@Nemiroff
If you understand physics you don't need to make any observations at all to know the earth is not flat.
The flat earth movement seeks to put doubt into the mind about what you have learned. Since many people just believe in science rather than understand it this can be effective, which is why there are any flat earth believers at all. In this way the flat earth movement is very much like religion and I have often wondered if religion is the primary motivation for it.
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@ebuc
Interesting articles, thanks! I appreciate your contribution.
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I've never thought about spirituality very much and find myself wondering what it is?
I'd like to learn what exactly it is, how to achieve it, what the benefits are, why I should be spiritual and read about your personal experiences with spirituality.
I am interested in all forms of spirituality, not just those connected with established mainstream religions.
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@zedvictor4
Well it probably won't lower your IQ, but it does seem to destroy the ability to think rationally when it comes to things that do not agree with religious doctrine. When I look at those articles at Discovery World I can't help but find myself thinking, how can these people be so stupid?
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I’m beginning to think religion has a retarding effect onintelligence.
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@Stephen
Killed my own thread? That's no great loss, but I appreciate your concern.
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@Stephen
And you’re right I’m not very clear, I do often have that problem.
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@zedvictor4
Truisms inside themselves. Externally it’s all just verbalized imaginings which they try to legitimize by attempting to make it external. The only place god really does exist is in their minds, but I guess that’s not good enough for them.
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@SirAnonymous
I'm not implying that you personally are any of those things they are all examples. Getting a little money for votes is what's going on, the problem is that you can't trust Trump. Even though we all like getting money the real problem is his character and the fact that he's screwed practically everyone that he's ever done business with including the American people.
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@SirAnonymous
So he gives you a little money to win your favor and hey the economy is pretty good too so there is another reason to love him. Maybe you are racists too so you like him because you think he's going to make America white again. Or maybe you hate all those Mexicans breaking the law by being here illegally and you are a real law and order kind of guy so you like him for that. Maybe you're a little dumb and he's a little dumb so you like him because you think he's just like you, just a regular guy. That's called a confidence scam. Trump fools people into thinking they've happened onto a great deal or some easy money so they vote for him not really understanding that it's not something for you he wants, it's something for him.
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What is Religion About? OP Continued...
The inward focus sets up a paradigm in the mind of the believer through which they view the external world. This modified view of reality can be profoundly distorted to the point where even the laws of physics are no longer applicable. They can't reconcile what they believe with reality so they reject reality or they try to rationalize around it. This leads to some remarkably distorted thinking commonly on display here.
The inward focus is by nature selfish. Look at the reasons people are religious, because they don't want to go to hell, because they want to go to heaven, because they want to feel better and so on. People are religious for purely selfish reasons. When people pray the one thing all of them ask god for is something for themselves. Even if they pray for one of their children who might be sick they are still praying for something for themselves. If they pray for world peace they are still praying for something for themselves.
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@Stephen
Again, what you are talking about is what it is externally, what I want to talk about is the internal dynamic.
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@SirAnonymous
Cutting taxes on the middle class? When did he do that?
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Okay, you guys are talking about what it is. What I'm talking about is what it is internally to people that are in it and the fact that it is inwardly focused. What I mean by inwardly focused person is they spend a lot of time thinking about themselves, god and there soul. They don't think that god is separate from them, they believe god is inside of them (and this happens to be true). They don't look at the sky and shout at it when they pray, they close their eyes and bow their heads. They talk to god inside their minds and not out loud.
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@SirAnonymous
I know how to spot a conman when I see one. I also know what an incompetent buffoon looks like and I don't like his authoritarian leanings either. The guy is a lying, cheating, conspiracy theory loving, toxic POS and the only thing he is good at is manipulating stupid people. He can't read, talks like a fifth grader and wouldn't know diplomacy if it bit him on the ass. I could go on, but I don't want to devote to much time to such a waste of a human being.
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@ethang5
You’re very selfless to give so much to the wealthy.
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@Dr.Franklin
So what? He's black so he made black people. After that, I don't see him caring much at all about what people do down here.
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