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@secularmerlin
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@secularmerlin
Are things with more than three spacial dimensions beyond our epistemology as well?
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@secularmerlin
This is beyond our epistemology and so is not a question for science.
Are things with more than three spacial dimensions epistemology as well?
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@zedvictor4
Yes the advantage of hindsight makes it seem obvious, but just think about it. When the bomb detonates atoms are going to get particles knocked off of them, if a lithium 7 atom gets a neutron knocked off what’s going to happen? It’s going to turn it into more fuel!
Even though science has put us in bad situations and accidents have happened I still can’t think of a single time that the advancement of science should have been retarded or halted.
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Most of us have seen the Castle Bravo nuclear test at Bikini Atoll, but did you know it was a mistake? Castle Bravo was designed to be a 5 megaton device, but when they set it off it unexpectedly yielded a 15 megaton blast. This was due to a mistake in the design.
The fuel used was lithium 6 and the core was a mixture of 30% lithium 6 and 70% lithium 7, the lithium 7 was thought to be inert. When the detonation occurred the reaction stripped one of the neutrons from the lithium 7 atoms and that turned it in to lithium 6 so instead of a 5 megaton blast what they got was a 15 megaton blast.
For the people at the test site this 15 megaton blast was a terrifying surprise and many of them thought they were going to die right then and there. Some of the people did end up dying later as a result of radiation poisoning.
It seems such an obvious mistake that it's hard to believe that the scientists at the time didn't see it coming.
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@ebuc
So does it take an a__hole to know when an A__hole is speaking?
Naw, you know an a_hole is talking when it's lips are moving.
Visualize that.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I vaguely remember a long time ago watching a show on the science channel that said the universe was some funky twisted torus-like shape.Do not quote me on this. Because it was so long ago there is a high probability that I am remembering incorrectly or that this information was valid then but has since become outdated.
Like this?
Here are some more pictures.
From the page at the link above: “It's important to remember that the above images are 2D shadows of 4D space, it is impossible to draw the geometry of the Universe on a piece of paper, it can only be described by mathematics.”
These pictures are like the expanding balloon analogy. Put dots on a partially inflated balloon then blow it up to see the dots all move away from each other. They do that to give you an idea of why everything in the universe appears to be moving away from everything else. It is also used to illustrate the idea that the universe has no center. Nowhere on the surface of the balloon is the center because there isn't a center on the surface. This is another 2D representation of 4D space.
Here's some more complications. The big bang was not an explosion of matter into empty space it was an explosion (or rapid expansion) of space itself. What was there before that if anything is unknown. When we look at space we tend to think of it as nothing but every bit of space is filled with the Higgs Field. All of space is also boiling with activity known as Vacuum Fluctuations. Space can be bent and curved and contains energy known as the Vacuum Energy, so space is not really nothing. We don't know what nothing looks like or if it exists at all.
Does the universe have an outside? Scientists talk about the multiverse so people tend to think that the universe has an outside. We don't know if there is a multiverse, it is speculation, we also don't know if the universe has an outside. As far as we know it does not.
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@ludofl3x
I don’t know, but I can say it will not be heaven unless my dogis there.
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@zedvictor4
Do you think you could make me some diagrams with a bunch of symbols from your keyboard to explain exactly what you wish to convey?
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@zedvictor4
Evolution is a process and people are a result. You don’t need to understand the evolution of people to observe and understand evolution itself.
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@bmdrocks21
I'm a student. So, from my parents, I'm a taker. I don't make everyone else pay for everything I could need or want, though. That isn't my right.Tulsi was the only Democrat that I would have considered. Looks like I'm probably voting for Trump.
I just wanted to know if you live in a fantasy world!
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@Stronn
I'm familiar with what you are talking about, but let me tell you why I started this thread.
I was talking with a fellow and I asked him what the big bangs shape was after one seconds time. He said, “It started as a point and expanded spherically from there.” I asked him to Google “center of the universe” on his phone. He read what he found then said, “If it has no center now than it had no center then either, did it?” I said yeah, then he said, “It must be a shape I can't visualize."
So my question is, what shape is it?
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@Greyparrot
What do the money makers seize by force?
The Hank Reardens and John Galts of the real world take like this:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0d/40/8a/0d408aad59aaa5a7311ef5d78149c4c9.gif
At the same time they pay very little in taxes.
Often the money makers get tax breaks because they bring jobs in, but the people that have jobs end up paying the taxes the money makers did not.
They do other things as well, but I don't want to spend time on it because it looks like it will be a waste of time.
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@bmdrocks21
So, you see yourself as a Hank Rearden or a John Galt do you? You see the government and people on public assistance as the retched takers? I don't really need to explain what's wrong with that.
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@bmdrocks21
Who you going to vote for in 2020?
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@zedvictor4
Oh no not you again with another English lesson.
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@bmdrocks21
The money makers take more (several orders of magnitude more) than the takers ever could. The story is fiction, but you want to treat it like reality. Unfortunately it's not reality or even realistic. Basing your real life world philosophy on a fictional story only makes you the occupant of a fantasy world.
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@Dr.Franklin
That’s it, you’ve seen evolution, my work here is done.
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@Dr.Franklin
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@Dr.Franklin
Very good! Yes the evolution of people is not the same as saying evolution, there's a difference.
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@Dr.Franklin
The evolution of people is not evolution, it's the evolution of people.
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@Dr.Franklin
This is what I meant when I said evolution is a lot less complicated then you think it is.
We don't need six thousand years to observe evolution taking place.
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@bmdrocks21
First of all thanks for helping me get past my mental block. I didn't want to read it either so I bought the audio book and I'm glad I did.
In the book the money makers simply refused to work, they went on strike if you will. In a nut shell, the takers were taking all of the incentive out of making money. What I see going on in real life is that the money makers are working harder then ever and making more money then ever. It's not the same situation in fact it's kind of the opposite.
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@Dr.Franklin
How does that fit into what we are talking about?
Are you saying 6000 years is not enough time for evolution to take place?
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@Dr.Franklin
Did you know that you can see evolution all around you, it’s quite prominent. You can even watch it happen right before your very eyes. It is something that can be seen and if you are like most people it’s a heck of a lot less complicated then you think it is. Would you like to see it?
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@dustryder
Well there will be balls to, to be a man you kinda need em.
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@crossed
Okay so the universe is round like a ball? Interesting. Would that mean that the center of the universe is at the center, like the center of a ball?
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@Dr.Franklin
So is it like the things you can see are the things you can understand, is that how it works?
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@Dr.Franklin
You dont believe in an egine
Sorry about that, got sidetracked there. So you don't believe in engines?
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@Dr.Franklin
so not using periods a time saving simplification thing? i'm not knocking you I'm all for going all lower case but periods could be tricky.
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@Dr.Franklin
Do you believe it or do you understand it?
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@Dr.Franklin
Do you understand how a car engine works?
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Do you ever think about the shape of the universe?
How would you describe the shape of the whole thing?
We can talk about the center of the universe as well if you like.
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@zedvictor4
Creation is a continuum, it's happening all the time. You were not created the moment you were born or by your mom and dad or by evolution from universal matter. There was a long causal chain of creation that led directly to you. Gifted with life now the responsibility for creation is yours. You have to keep recreating yourself, preferably three times a day. The thing that makes you possible is the universe and the universe is the continuum as well as your oldest ancestor.
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@zedvictor4
Okay, how?
Don’t get to long just give me an idea of where your headed.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
William of Ockham said, “Entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily.” Adding every act of creation down the line is unnecessarily multiplying entities therefore you are probably wrong.I’m very sorry for your loss.
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@zedvictor4
Here is an example of, "the universe created me" used in a sentence.
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/3227942-the-universe-created-me-to-see-its-own-beauty-through
Is that usage incorrect in any way?
Can you show me an example of what you are arguing for? That's all I want.
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@zedvictor4
The rules for our language are well established. If it is incorrect to say that the universe created you, show me where the error in grammar, syntax or word usage is. It should be reasonably easy to provide a link to a reputable source, but I don't see anything here.
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@zedvictor4
So you want to talk about semantics? No thanks.
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@zedvictor4
We are made of the same stuff as the universe. So we are therefore both resultant of the same creation.
After re reading this I’m not sure what it is your are saying, canyou expand on it?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
There is plenty of educated speculation, but we don't know how to test or observe it, or if it even can be tested or observed. How do you think about things that existed before space itself existed? What were things like before space?
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