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@Vader
I searched "rubberballing mafia" on google and found that. The only problem was that the website I clicked on almost gave me a virus. I was just asking if I could have the actual link to when Pie said that so I can know the details.
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@Vader
Can you send me the link to your statement? It's somewhere in Beginner's Mafia 56.2 Day 2 on DDO
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@Vader
Ok. But, according to that source, it could be both towny and scummy.
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@oromagi
Ah, I get it. So it's like creating those bouncy balls out of rubber bands. I remember doing that. Super satisfying. In that case, count me in
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@Vader
All I found on rubberballing was this:
Beginners' Mafia 56.1: DP2. ... Supa - Somewhere between strong and leaning town (his rubberballing is townish, as was ...
I take this to mean that rubberballing is both towny and scummy.
Correct?
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@oromagi
oof. I'll catch you up real quick. Basically, we were arguing whether or not we should vote or VTNL today. Then, everyone went onto AD for some reason.
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@oromagi
Like, physically sick, or just not into it?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
What was the point of that message?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I'm saying that just because Death wants to lynch mafia, doesn't mean he's SK
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Town would want to get rid of mafia too.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
So are we teaming with mafia against SK and town?
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@Vader
I agree. Trump deeply respects people with disabilities and special needs
except when they're reporters
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God? Possibly(?)
Morality? Subjective
Hotel? Trivago
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@Paul
To run, duhSo you said he created my distant ancestor in his own self-image and I’m wondering, why does god need legs?
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@Dr.Franklin
Then why are there whites?
WHITE PEOPLE ARE THE PRODUCT OF SATAN
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@Greyparrot
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@SirAnonymous
Can you guys explain to me why he seems like SK? Nothing he said was particularly indicative of him being SK.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
@SirAnonymous
An alliance with Mafia could be helpful, but I don’t think they’re going to out themselves, considering that town’s wincon literally involves killing them.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I'll get back to this once I have a response from Mharman for 164.On the other hand I don't see how the death of anyone that isn't you would 'adversely affect' you. Could you be more specific by detailing a potential scenario as I just did?
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@Mharman
If one side fulfills their objective (say, town eliminates mafia and SK) but dies later, would that still count as a win for them?
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@Paul
White people are a deviation from the man that god created in his own self-image
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@Discipulus_Didicit
It would be very difficult to run a classic "DDmafia scenario simulation (TM)" because of the large number of factions and the chance of killing roles choosing the same target to kill, etc. Difficult but not impossible. I won't do it now but might later.
That would be interesting.
Consider this though... There is a 40% chance that you are on a Serial Killers kill list. If they decide who to kill off of their list randomly that is a 20% chance of you not waking up tomorrow due to an SK killing you. If you help secure a lynch lynch then there is a chance that we hit an SK and if we hit an SK then the chances of you being on an SK kill list drops to 20%.
There is a 1/6 chance of hitting an SK with a DP1 lynch. It is much more likely that we hit an SK target, someone who isn't an SK target (thus reducing the size of anti-SK coalition while doing nothing to stop SK from fulfilling their wincon), or worst of all, someone who benefits us (power roles). The potential risks that can come with a random lynch DP1 outweigh the benefits, as explained by the original argument.
There is also the chance that mafia might decide that you advocating a pro-SK VTNL makes it likely that you are an SK so they might shank you.
Possibly. But at this point, we have no idea who mafia are, let alone what they are thinking. Similarly, they are just as in-the-dark as we are about this entire situation, so they probably wouldn't jump to conclusions that quickly. Also, arguing for a DP1 VTNL is not inherently pro-SK, as demonstrated by the reasons I provided.
Right now it's 11:30pm, and I'm pretty tired, so I'll provide the rest of the argument tomorrow. GN.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Yes, and was in the process of writing my response when you sent this lol.
Lol
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I’ll explain my position soon. Right now I have a debate argument due in 1 hour
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Think about it. The first humans came out of Africa. God created humans in his image. Therefore, God is Black.
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I’ll gladly do a debate about this. The feeling of unleashing overwhelming scientific and logical evidence is very satisfying.
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@WaterPhoenix
SKs are the enemy. I don’t deny that. Ultimately, we have to get rid of them, but I propose doing that when we have more information, namely after NP1. What I was saying in my argument is that the problem with random lynching is that it adversely affects us as well.
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@SirAnonymous
You could be right. You could be wrong. We're playing a new type of mafia, and the standard rulebooks get thrown out the window. I don't know what the best option is.
True. I’m just going off of what I think is the best logic at this point
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@SirAnonymous
No, it doesn't. It says "or" not "and." If we meet any of the other conditions, we win regardless of the SKs. However, it is true that lynching SKs alone won't make us win. Lynching mafia or town would. Lynching people who can kill us (mafia and SK) does still increase our survival odds, though.
True, but random lynching at this point needlessly introduces a possible loss condition. We can go off of the NP1 NKs to more accurately pinpoint and eliminate SKs to remove that possibility entirely.
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In other words, we have a greater chance of fucking ourselves over than crippling SK if we random vote
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@drafterman
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@SirAnonymous
I just realized something.
“Survivors win by being alive when mafia meets their objective, town meets their objective, or all living serial killers have met their objective.”
Simply lynching SK targets isn’t going to work (at least if you guys want to win, assuming that you guys are survivors), because if any SK lives to the end and fails their objective, that means we lose too. This reduces the chances that we cripple SK without also making ourselves lose to 2/11. Coupled with the 5/6 chance of shooting ourselves (anti-SK) in the foot, it’s clear that random voting won’t work.
Again, I’m completely willing to change my mind, but as I see it right now, VTNLing is the smartest thing to do.
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@drafterman
@Discipulus_Didicit
I agree with you guys in that we're basically stabbing in the dark. Everyone is going to claim survivor because it's the only role mafia doesn't care about, and because it helps blend in with the surroundings. Given that, it's fair to say that we aren't going to get anything useful out of DP1, so we have to rely on probability.
True, if we random lynch, we have a 6/11 chance of ruining the SKs' day. However, what I thought about when I made the decision to VTNL is the collateral damage it could cause. There is a 1/2 chance of lynching a survivor if we go on random lynchings, and an 1/3 chance of lynching someone that directly benefits survivors (doctor, two roleblockers, and a bus driver). Altogether, that's a 5/6 chance of lynching someone who is on the anti-SK side. Considering that we have a greater chance of lynching an anti-SK (and therefore benefitting SK) than harming SK, I thought that the logical thing to do is to VTNL and wait until DP2 where we have more information to go off of.
I'm fully willing to change my vote if needs be.
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I don’t really think there’s going to be much to go off of at all during this round. Any mislynch (town, survivor, or mafia) would be detrimental at this point.
VTNL
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I’m a survivor.
This is definitely a wired setup. I think we (survivors + maf) should be more concerned about SKs, since they are the ones that could eliminate us.
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@crossed
There are 196 countries in the world.
What percentage of those countries exactly are trying to destroy Israel?
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@Mharman
It's not about sole ownership. It's more of a "cooperative", if you will.
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OWO
I INSPECTED WARREN LAST NIGHT. HE'S GUILTY AF
VTL WARREN420
k bye
DX
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@DynamicSquid
Squids are not on the top of the food chain.
Therefore, they are not the best.
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