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@Vader
What do you investigate exactly?
Do you hack their computer and install keyloggers and spyware to see who they are?
What is this objective evidence that you guys allegedly collect?
Do use cookies to trace their internet usage?
If not then how do you really know for sure if someone is a bot or an alt account?
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@oromagi
If the AP ran any inaccurate information
AP official admissions of inaccuracies on RussiaGate coverage:
One really laughable piece of fake news from the AP in general was when they said an Israeli ambassador worked for the Trump Administration:
They also erroneously reported on the infamous Trump-Georgia call:
So. No. AP is not a great news source. They regularly get facts wrong. They especially got facts wrong about RussiaGate.
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@Best.Korea
Their government is pretty gay about everything.
You seem to be pretty homophobic. You should probably work through your irrational gay hate.
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@Best.Korea
North Korea is a horrible country. It would be better if it was democracy like Iraq and USA, where there is potential for sodomy every day.
Did you just say Iraq and the US are the same? Man they really do keep you all ignorant over there in the DPRK.
Regardless. The America of today is nothing remotely close to what it is supposed to be. Our country was never supposed to have thought police, a state religion, wild uncharted censorship, an extreme police state, 24/7 surveillance, and hacked elections.
The problem is our people are brainwashed like North Koreans into thinking government is their best friend. They are part of a cult of government. Most of them are too brainwashed to realize both candidates usually suck and to protest vote for whomever they want instead.
Talk to a Republican or a Democrat and you hear bullshit lies about the other party. Depending on which President is in office, the economy is a different person's fault. If a Democrat is in office amd the economy is great, he did a good job. If a Republican is ik office amd the economy is great, it is because the last President (Democrat) did a good job. It makes no fucking sense, but that is always how the lies are spun.
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@Vici
My guess is TWS1405. When you are active he disappears and when he is active you disappear.
And you guys have polar opposite beliefs so it makes zero sense you guys never get into massive forum arguments with each other.
And you guys have polar opposite beliefs so it makes zero sense you guys never get into massive forum arguments with each other.
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@zedvictor4
Presumably we're talking 2022 here.
My point is anyone who doesn't agree with those original values isn't a real Republican, let alone an extreme one.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
the LBJ and the Democrats outside of the south
Quiz: Which president said he'd have those "n*****s voting democrat for years to come?"
The Democrats in the south promptly became Republicans after the Democrats passed civil rights laws.
This is completely wrong. From the 1950s-60s Republicans never won more than 45% of the popular vote. In 1968, their best year, they only won 45% of the popular vote. The other close year was in 1955 with 44%. They fluctuated between 27-37% generally.
In 1916, Woodrow Wilson states that the Democratic Party platform will support suffrage.
While true, the man was a racist who literally segregated the federal workforce:
In 1913, Democrat Woodrow Wilson, a founder of progressivism and modern liberalism, became president of the United States.[196] [197] As president, Wilson:
- segregated the federal workforce by creating separate restrooms, cafeterias, and work areas for black and white people.
- appointed racists to his cabinet and authorized them to wantonly fire African-Americans and prevent them from advancing to high-level civil service positions that they held during Republican administrations.
- told a group of black professionals who protested Wilson’s polices that “segregation is not a humiliation but a benefit, and ought to be so regarded by you gentlemen.”[198] [199] [200]
- had a special screening at the White House of The Birth of a Nation, a film that glorified the Ku Klux Klan and was used by the Klan as a recruiting tool.[201] [202] [203]
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@Best.Korea
Notice how nobody is there? Because they all could care less about science and technology. They are too busy figuring out what they will eat tomorrow with their $1 salary.
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I'll never forget the day the Washington Post, in a legit article, said the GOP was becoming a Russian asset:
If that isn't "lying to win elections" then I have no idea what is.
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@zedvictor4
Let's face it, extreme Republicanism is still all about the fear of change from a "white" dominated Christian society to a multicultural egalitarian society.
Ah. Yes. Those extreme Republicans and their freeing of the slaves and giving women the right to vote and opposition to Jim Crow laws and fighting for desegregation in schools and society at large and their Civil War with the Confederates.
I can't imagine why Democrats would despise them.
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@oromagi
Because fake news sources like Magness find its so much easier to get people to believe a lie on youtube than in the written word.
Oh and I suppose the Associated Press and Wikipedia did SOOOO much better when they said Trump didn't collude with Russia to win the 2016 election. Oh... Wait a minute... I had it in reverse... They lied out the ass for 4 years.
Also, I'd like you to tell me the moment "fake news" Magness says that NewsGuard is owned by Bill Gates in the video. Go ahead, I'll wait.
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@oromagi
In their article where they mention NewsGuard, they link to the Newsguard website and a Politico Op-Ed written by NewsGuard's CEO:
They don't do shitty work. They go to the original source.
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@oromagi
I think the fact that you continue to stick with the guys telling lies about Bill Gates while dodging three direct requests for some kind of response regarding those lies tell me what I need to know about the value of your politics, the value of your sources.
I think the fact that you have given up shows I caught you red-handed as a propagandist and not a legitimate actor.
Truth be told, I am unconvinced at this point that Bill Gates owns NewsGuard. I remembered reading back in the day that he did, but all those articles have disappeared and the ones left are from spurious publications.
I know AIER does their research. They always cite their sources in their articles and they link to the original source to the best of their ability. They regularly cite mainstream media as their sources as well. They do great work. But that doesn't mean they are perfect by any means. They certainly are more reliable than CNN and Fox News and The Associated Press.
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@oromagi
Since NewsGuard's motivated and disgruntled accuser is misleadingly pretending to be something other than an advertisement for itself and also spreading lies about Bill Gates
At 1:52 of the clip he talks about how he, as an employee for AIER, wrote emails back and forth with NewsGuard about AIER content.
At 2:44 he mentions AIER by name and talks about how NewsGuard was mad that AIER published something.
He is extremely forthright about the fact he works for AIER. It was UPLOADED BY AIER. And the deacription states, in multiple places, that it is AIER content.
The description states:
On this episode of Liberty Curious, Kate Wand sat down with Phil Magness, Director of Research and Education at AIER
And they mention in the description that Liberty Conscious is a publication of AIER, which I already cited.
The only person who could possibly have come away thinking this was disingenuous is people who lack the ability to read or watch things fully.
In fact the clip mentions the fact that it is a clip in the description:
Phil Magness, from the full podcast: https://youtu.be/gbVViPNsvFY
So I will just have to assume you are deliberately misconstruing things at this point. Because it is abundantly obvious this was AIER content.
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@oromagi
Clipping articles is better for visual learners.
And videos are even better than that. Since they are VISUAL. In fact, in that article I linked to, it says videos are better for visual learners:
Visual learners are often called spatial learners and, unsurprisingly, learn and remember best through visual communication. This means that using a whiteboard, projecting maps and images, or showing photos of your ideas work best.
So visual learners do better with visuals, images, and maps than with words. That is 65% of the population that you are arbitrarily determining would do better reading than watching videos.
I am assuming that members of a website devoted to the art of debate are at the very top of the game in terms of literacy
So you are assuming you know what is best for everyone. Typical liberal. If it doesn't agree with you then it is bad or evil. Tik Tok and YouTube are the most popular social media platforms for a reason. They are visual.
I really like the way NewsGuard considers "Regularly corrects or clarifies errors" an important consideration for determining a sources reliability
So the measure for a good source is how much they get wrong? A reliable source is one that regularly needs corrections? Sounds pretty stupid to me. I'd rather read sources that get it right the first time.
This is also what I like about Wikipedia.
Good grief:
Wikipedia is not a reliable source for citations elsewhere on Wikipedia. As a user-generated source, it can be edited by anyone at any time, and any information it contains at a particular time could be vandalism, a work in progress, or simply incorrect. Biographies of living persons, subjects that happen to be in the news, and politically or culturally contentious topics are especially vulnerable to these issues. Edits on Wikipedia that are in error may eventually be fixed. However, because Wikipedia is a volunteer-run project, it cannot constantly monitor every contribution. There are many errors that remain unnoticed for hours, days, weeks, months, or even years (see Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia). Additionally, it is possible that some errors may never be fixed. It is also possible for an edit correcting an error to later be reverted. Therefore, Wikipedia should not be considered a definitive source in and of itself. This includes articles, non-article pages, The Signpost, and non-English Wikipedias.
Once again, why the hell should I trust a publication that needs to be corrected all the damn time and then openly admits it will have completely wrong information on it?
Hard pass.
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@RationalMadman
He works for the DPRK. He's paid to do this.
He writes just like the DPRK's news articles in english.
Here's a propaganda website run by North Korea:
The Korean people are advancing fast towards the overall development of Korean-style socialism, holding higher the banner of socialism under the leadership of the Workers' Party of Korea (WPK).The dynamic advance of the Korean-style socialist cause courageously braving all sorts of challenges and trials of history would have been unthinkable without the immortal exploits of Chairman Kim Jong Il.In the early 1990s when capitalism was revived in some socialist countries, the imperialists and renegades clamored about the "end of socialism".Kim Jong Il published famous works including "The Historical Lesson in Building Socialism and the General Line of Our Party" and "Abuses of Socialism Are Intolerable" to indicate the advantages, scientific accuracy and invincibility of Korean-style socialism and deal a blow at the sophism of those who branded socialism as "totalitarian", "barracks-like" and "administrative and commanding".
Here's another article sample:
Officials and workers in the key industrial sectors including metal, chemistry, electric power, coal and railway transport are making all-out efforts for the victorious conclusion of this year's work.The Kim Chaek Iron and Steel Complex has made progress in the project for putting the metal industry on a Juche basis and the Namhung Youth Chemical Complex is making innovations in the production of chemical goods.Chemical factories and enterprises across the country are pushing ahead with the production of raw materials for light industry and pharmaceutical industry, out of the will to contribute to the development of the self-supporting economy and the improvement of people's living standard.
Here's the KCNA, the biggest North Korean propaganda rag of them all:
Under the seasoned and experienced leadership of the great Party Central Committee, the Workers' Party of Korea (WPK) is setting an epochal example in the cause of party building and demonstrating the dignity, honor and heroism of the powerful country all over the world along with the new era of the Juche revolution.The immortal great programme guaranteeing the new century of our party building was clarified at a time when the absolute trust of all the people in the great WPK dynamically leading the Korean-style socialist cause to a new victory despite unprecedented challenges and difficulties is being fully displayed.
He writes JUST LIKE DPRK propaganda. Either he is a really good imitator or he is paid to write this stuff.
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@oromagi
This also happens on:
Washington Post:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-issues-correction-stealth-edit-scrubbed-false-claim-taylor-lorenz-report (here a WaPo never reached out to comment from two people she erroneously wrote hos much money they made from being content creators despite saying she did).
This is just a recent example, but if you search "Washington Post corrections" you'll get a near endless supply of corrections the paper made to their articles.
So these articles are not factually accurate and often contain pretty blatant factual errors.
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@oromagi
Cut and pasting evidence so that it can be quickly read with superior understanding and quotability
Are you assuming you know how everyone learns best?
65% of people are visual learners. This means a video would actually be more effective for most people than reading a news article.
You are also assuming most people can read competently. Just 15% of Americans can read at a college level. And 15-35% of Americans are not considered literate.
So you are making extreme assumptions about reading ability and learning style when you say that.
Moreover, how do you know it is evidence? The New York Times regularly issues corrections to both their newspaper and articles:
They already had to correct 6 articles today (November 3). They issue corrections to their articles pretty much every day.
On October 28 they issued a correction saying they got Newt Gingrich's home state wrong. That's a pretty blatant error.
So how can you tell me that news articles are "evidence"?
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@Athias
Taken from History of the Christian Church, Volume III: Nicene and Post-Nicene. Christianity. A.D. 311-600. by Philip Schaff.
First off, I never thought Id live to see the day that I met someone who cited Philip Schaff in a conversation with me. I'm a huge fan of his work. I haven't read everything so I can't unilaterally endorse everything he's written. But I've consulted his encyclopedia of religion and I have been meaning to get around to the book you just cited. I love his work on translating the church fathers.
THERE IS NO DIRECTIVE IN ANY BIBLICAL TEXT that shifts the day of rest from Saturday to Sunday. The shift among Catholics can only be attributed to Constantine I's decree.
The Bible actually allows believers the freedom to worship on whatever day they choose:
16Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. 18Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, 19and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God. - Colossians 2:16-19 NASB95
Paul also repeats this idea here:
5One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God. 7For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; 8for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. - Romans 14:5-9 NASB95
So Christians do have liberty to choose which day to regard as the Sabbath.
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@oromagi
What is your motivation for posting advertising for AIER on this site?
Idk. What's your motivation for reposting whole entire AP articles? And spamming wikipedia as a source in everything you write?
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@oromagi
Every single shitty opinion ever conceived can be found on some youtube site with two people nodding their heads with wide-eyed credulity.
Kinda like talkshow hosts on CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News.
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@oromagi
"deliberately infect" is my editorial comment on their plan to resume normal activity without masks or distancing-
Tell me where the Great Barrington Declaration tells people not to wear masks? And tell me where it tells people not to distance themselves?
The point is that people who are immunocompromised or sick should not be going out spreading the virus. Theu dont demand people throw out their masks and cough in each others' faces. And it is all entirely voluntary. They are not at all demanding that everyone just get sick for society. They said people should be free to choose to resume their normal lives if they are not immunocompromised or the elderly. Unless those specific people in question willingly choose to participate.
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@oromagi
So when asking yourself who is doing propaganda, let's be sure to note that this show never points out that it never amounts to more than Ms Wand interviewing her bosses- not exactly hard-hitting journalism.
If you bothered to look at who uploaded it, it was uploaded by AIER. It had an AIER background in the video for Phil Magness, and the description states:
If you enjoy the Liberty Curious podcast and other content by AIER, make sure to subscribe to our new YouTube channel @AIER dedicated to short, dynamic videos that explore the topics of sound money, economic freedom, defending freedom & fighting collectivism.
Idk how you possibly missed all that... Unless you are willfully ignorant or a propagandist yourself.
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@oromagi
AIER is best known for their medically and ethically irresponsible "Great Barrington Declaration" of Oct 2020 which called on all Americans to deliberately infect one another as soon as possible all at the same time in effort to precipitate an economic and political crisis and maximize potential deaths from COVID by creating a human tsunami that might trash the entire healthcare network.
That isn't true at all... Here is the declaration:
Tell me where they tell people to go out and purposely infect their neighbors. Where do they tell people to do that?
They were promoting the concept of herd immunity. Herd immunity is the foundational concept behind vaccines.
They simply said people should live their lives IF THEY CHOOSE, and that the elderly and immunocompromised should be quarantined until herd immunity takes over. They called this focused protection:
Adopting measures to protect the vulnerable should be the central aim of public health responses to COVID-19. By way of example, nursing homes should use staff with acquired immunity and perform frequent testing of other staff and all visitors. Staff rotation should be minimized. Retired people living at home should have groceries and other essentials delivered to their home. When possible, they should meet family members outside rather than inside. A comprehensive and detailed list of measures, including approaches to multi-generational households, can be implemented, and is well within the scope and capability of public health professionals.Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. Simple hygiene measures, such as hand washing and staying home when sick should be practiced by everyone to reduce the herd immunity threshold. Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.
None of this says anything remotely close to what you have claimed. In fact, more than 10,000 medical doctors, epidemiologists, and other infectious disease experts have signed in agreement to it. And it was written by three of the foremost experts in immunology and epidemiology alive today:
Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.
The concepts in it were backed by John Ioannidis, who was the consultant behind Sweden's successful COVID-19 policy which did not use lockdowns. Ioannidis is one of the world's most renowned immunologists alive today:
John P. A. Ioannidis (/ˌiəˈniːdəs/; Greek: Ιωάννης Ιωαννίδης, Greek pronunciation: [iɔˈanis iɔaˈniðis];[1][2] born August 21, 1965) is a Greek-American physician-scientist, writer and Stanford University professor who has made contributions to evidence-based medicine, epidemiology, and clinical research. Ioannidis studies scientific research itself, meta-research primarily in clinical medicine and the social sciences. He has served on the editorial board of over twenty scientific journals.
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@zedvictor4
This atheist would say that all theistic devotion is non-sensical, and therefore, there is no real difference between cultish or religious practices.
And the atheist would be wrong.
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@Athias
Well if you have actual documented proof that Constantine instituted pagan beliefs I would love to read them.
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@Athias
introduced to the religion by Constantine I
Do you have any primary sources on this? I have heard this argument before and seen it debunked before, but I have yet to see any actual historical documents on it from his day.
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@Athias
but I suppose it would have taken several posts to explore most of it.
Yeah. It would take a LONG time, MANY words, and EXTENSIVE citations of the Apostolic Fathers.
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@oromagi
all conclude that Falun Gong is lying
They also all concluded Trump colluded with Russia. They were wrong on that one too lmao.
It's amazing what one can "conclude" when they ignore evidence.
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@oromagi
Oops we accidently registered our company under the wrong name, accidently loaded our website onto a stranger's server, accidently shared an office with people we claim we never met. That is some administrative error.
That isn't what happened. The BL had their own server, it was not their website, and they pursued copyright infringement on YouTube against Viet Epoch Times.
And they didn't share an office either. Don't make things up.
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@Elliott
Take Christianity, wars have been fought over what is considered orthodox and people killed for what is considered unorthodox.
I am not saying people shouldn't be free to try to make their own interpretation.
But I believe there is only one proper interpretation of the Christian Scriptures based on the language and other things from that day and age.
But this doesn't mean people shouldn't be free to debate what that interpretation is. Most of the time it is cut-and-dry what the proper interpretation is and people are simply wrong. But there are rare occasions where it takes a some research to figure out what was meant. In these the debates are important.
But in Christianity there is only one right interpretation and people need to do the best they can to get as close to it as possible.
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@Elliott
Well, all religions have founding documents or teachers or collections of sayings. Islam has the Quran, buddhism as the sayings of Buddha, Christianity has the Bible, Hindu has the Epic of Gilgamesh, etc.
Orthodoxy is when a person tries their hardest to adhere to these foundational texts and does their best to properly interpret them.
Unorthodox people are those who rely on others to interpret the texts for them and then follow those people who interpret the texts instead of the texts themselves.
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@RationalMadman
to be slightly less free in a nation that keeps them protected from the brutality of not being able to have their cancer treated without going bankrupt.
Fun fact, cancer treatments were affordable before the Affordable Care Act and universal healthcare came to America:
The reasons for this are mainly overregulation of the healthcare industry and Big Pharma contributing to keep themselves as the monopoly:
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@Elliott
Well, for merriam webster, the difference comes down to orthodoxy.
If it tries to follow unorthodox teachings even when shown the orthodox one, it is a cult.
There are, of course, minor squabbles even between orthodox members. But the difference is in application. If the squabbles arise from both people in good faith trying to interpret the same foundational documents and coming to different conclusions, then that is not a cult. One person is wrong and one is right, but they are both trying to adhere to the original orthodoxy, so they are not cult members.
But if two people are looking at the same documents, and one says "no. We go to these people instead and they tell us what it means," that is a cult, because they are not trying to follow the original teachings. They instead follow certain other people who tell them what to believe and not the original teachings.
In Christianity there is this idea of the essentials. There are certain things you MUST believe to be a Christian. These are no exception. And then there are others where we know there is a correct viewpoint, but they are not essential doctrines and therefore people are allowed to debate them. So two Christians could disagree on non-foundational doctrines, such as what day of the week to worship, or whether to celebrate Christmas, and they are not putting themselves into a cult, so long as they recognize that they could he wrong and are committed to following orthodoxy to the best of their ability. But in other cases, like if Jesus is God, you must agree that Jesus is God to be a Christian. There is no room for disagreement there. It is listed as a foundational belief by not only the earliest church fathers but also by the Bible in hundreds of places.
I guess what I'm saying is that it comes down to the heart. A person who is legitimately trying to live according to the original teachings to the best of their ability is orthodox. But a person who consults other experts and leaders instead of the original teachings is in a cult.
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Cult: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious (Merriam Webster's online dictionary).
Spurious: outwardly similar or corresponding to something without having its genuine qualities : FALSE (Merriam Websters online dictionary)
The Catholic Church has a history of teaching heresy, and still teaches heresy, about the Pope, fasting, church authority, and church history and many foundational beliefs about Christianity.
For starters, the Catholic Church believes and teaches that the Pope is the head of the church.
As the Catholic Apologist website Catholic.com explains:
We have shown in the last section that Christ conferred upon St. Peter the office of chief pastor, and that the permanence of that office is essential to the very being of the Church. It must now be established that it belongs of right to the Roman See. The proof will fall into two parts: (I) that St. Peter was Bishop of Rome, and (2) that those who succeed him in that see succeed him also in the supreme headship. [1]
This has major Scriptural problems for clear reasons, mainly:
"For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body." - Ephesians 5:23
He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. - Colossians 1:18
"and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;" - Colossians 2:20
But they also inaccurately claim that Peter is the foundation of the church:
The word for Peter and for rock in the original Aramaic is one and the same (N~D); this renders it evident that the various attempts to explain the term “rock” as having reference not to Peter himself but to something else are misinterpretations. It is Peter who is the rock of the Church.[1]
There's one problem with this... Peter himself never even claimed this about his position in the church:
4And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by people, but is choice and precious in the sight of God, 5you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices that are acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6For this is contained in Scripture:“BEHOLD, I AM LAYING IN ZION A CHOICE STONE, A PRECIOUS CORNERSTONE,AND THE ONE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE PUT TO SHAME.” 7This precious value, then, is for you who believe; but for unbelievers,“A STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED,THIS BECAME THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE,” 8and,“A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE”; - 1 Peter 2:4-7
Here Peter himself calls Christ the cornerstone of the church. If Peter believed he was the foundation of the church, then why call Jesus the cornerstone? It is because Peter knew that Jesus, not himself, was the foundation of the church.
Moreover, Paul also calls Jesus the foundation of the church:
10According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each person must be careful how he builds on it. 11For no one can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. - 1 Corinthians 3:10-11
So both Peter and Paul agreed that Jesus, not Peter, was the foundation of the church. This, therefore, means the Catholic Church believes heresy about Papal supremacy and Peter's divine placement as the foundation of the church.
But not only do they err in papal supremacy, they also do not adhere to church tradition regarding sola scriptura.
Catholic.com explains:
A Catholic would not use the term sola scriptura—which is historically contentious and highly prone to misunderstanding—but he certainly can agree that the basic facts of the gospel and how to respond to it can be derived from Scripture. A Catholic would add that these facts need to be understood in the light of Sacred Tradition and that the Church’s intervention may be necessary to make sure they are understood correctly.[2]
Here, again, Catholics invent their own doctrine that simply was not to be found when Christianity was founded.
In Against Heresies, a work that Catholics have extremely high regard for, Irenaeus, who was an actual student of a pupil of John the Apostle, says that the Scriptures are the ultimate authority for doctrinal matters:
Suppose there arise a dispute relative to some important question among us, should we not have recourse to the most ancient Churches with which the apostles held constant intercourse, and learn from them what is certain and clear in regard to the present question? For how should it be if the apostles themselves had not left us writings? Would it not be necessary, [in that case,] to follow the course of the tradition which they handed down to those to whom they did commit the Churches? - Against Heresies, Book 3, Chapter 4 paragraph 1
So in the case of disputes, Irenaeus makes it clear that the early church sought THE WRITINGS OF THE APOSTLES to settle them before any sort of oral tradition. They didn't rely on oral tradition to interpret these writings. They went to the writings themselves and interpreted them on their own merit.
This is a fact that is also confirmed by Clement of Rome, who lived at the same time as the Apostles. Catholics also believe he is the second Pope after Peter:
The apostles have preached the Gospel to us from the Lord Jesus Christ; Jesus Christ [has done so] from God. Christ therefore was sent forth by God, and the apostles by Christ. Both these appointments, then, were made in an orderly way, according to the will of God. Having therefore received their orders, and being fully assured by the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, and established in the word of God, with full assurance of the Holy Ghost, they went forth proclaiming that the kingdom of God was at hand. And thus preaching through countries and cities, they appointed the first-fruits [of their labours], having first proved them by the Spirit, to be bishops and deacons of those who should afterwards believe. Nor was this any new thing, since indeed many ages before it was written concerning bishops and deacons. For thus saith the Scripture in a certain place, “I will appoint their bishops in righteousness, and their deacons in faith.” - Epistle To The Corinthians, Chapter 42
So here Clement states that the order of authority in the church is first God, then the Apostles, and THEN the deacons and bishops. So it follows from this that the writings of the Apostles, by the Apostles' very nature of superceding those left after them, supercedes the teachings of those who followed them.
This is why Irenaeus says that the church first consults the writings of the Apostles when controversy strikes. So the concept of Sola Scriptura is actually the true tradition.
Catholics also teach many other peculiar beliefs such as prayer to the saints, abstaining from meat, and other false doctrines that are not to be found anywhere in the early Christian writings as proper doctrine.
Therefore, the Catholic Church is a cult.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
But even then that wasn't my point.
My point was that saying a Republican who cheats and gets an abortion is had but then ignoring all the Democrats who do the same thing on a regular basis is extremely hypocritical.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Name a Democrat who had their mistress get an abortion.
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@oromagi
Although Epoch Times consistently denies any connection, Snopes shows that they still shared corporate registrations, office space, employees, servers, etc.
If you read their rebuttals on their website, you'd know they said it was an administrative error. But you likely didn't read it because you aren't interested in truth, only advancing your own opinions.
They state:
They also cover the fact that Epoch Times emails were used:VET is independently registered, independently owned, and not part of EMG. EMG does not oversee its editorial guidelines, does not provide guidance for its operations, and has no communication with its management.This separation was made public knowledge in October 2018 when Vietnamese was no longer listed as an edition on the Epoch Times website, as can be seen in an archived webpage from October 2018. (Compare “languages” in archived webpages from September 2018 and October 2018.)
No BL Executives Were Known to Work for EMG and or to Administer EMG Facebook PagesIn a divorce, it is not unusual for there to be loose ends that are not taken care of.A Facebook spokesperson told The Wall Street Journal “that executives of The BL were active administrators on Epoch Media Group-controlled pages.”Upon learning of Facebook’s statement, EMG conducted its own internal investigation and determined that several people had not had their credentials revoked due to an administrative oversight. EMG is not aware of these individuals altering any EMG Facebook pages.In August 2018, EMG revoked the Facebook credentials of VET staff. EMG is unaware of their possible affiliation with BL.Similarly, while Snopes points out that Trung used an NTD email account when he incorporated BL in Wyoming in January 2019 (superseding the original 2016 incorporation in California), his possessing this account was an administrative oversight. It should have been deleted when EMG cut ties with him.Snopes names a handful of former EMG employees who now work for BL and presents this as evidence that EMG and BL are “linked.”But Snopes also reports that BL says the former EMG employees are now full-time BL staff. In an email, BL told Snopes, “The BL has NO connection with The Epoch Times.
Even Epoch Vietnam stated they are not affiliated with Epoch Media Groupm snopes, themselves documents this:
Back in October 2019, an unidentified staff member of The BL told us via email that “The BL has NO connection with The Epoch Times.”
So they received an email from BL themselves denying the conspiracy theory that EMG and BL are connected. They aren't. Snopes even admits that they both denied any connection to each other:
At this point Snopes is openly peddling a conspiracy theory.
As real reporters do, as Epoch Times never ever does
I can tell you never bothered to even read some of the articles I linked to... Since they do exactly that. But here's other examples:
There's more here:
They do exactly what journalists are supposed to do. Report the news from all sides involved so long as the side gives them a comment.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Are you saying any woman who gets an abortion is of low moral character?
No. I'm saying it's outright hypocritical and bigoted to say that a Republican cheats and has a bastard child is a horrible person when Democrats go around making bastard children all the time and then killing them.
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@K_Michael
Oh I haven't really been paying attention to the forum post all that much.
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@K_Michael
Not sure how it got to objectivism when it started out about humanism though.
Well humanism and objectivism have a long rivalry. Think Ayn Rand and Foucault. They disagree on almost everything, so when you have both in the room the conversation will switch back and forth even when the other isn't considered.
Much like how it you had a Qanon and Antifa person in the same room. They will both open their mouths and debate each other endlessly.
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@badger
I found that the unvaccinated were 10 times more likely to succumb to covid 19.
Actually those who were vaccinated had higher all-cause mortality than those who did not get vaccinated. So, overall, the vaccine was more dangerous than COVID-19.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Are you suggesting that wealth is an indicator of being a liar?
Are you suggesting billionaires have nothing at all to gain from having access to hundreds of millions of Americans with a TV channel or news website?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
It’s a criticism of the hypocrisy of his father, the Republican Party, piety, and Republican voters. Lying, cheating, and hypocrisy are cardinal virtues of the Republican Party.
And I suppose all the abortions happening among democrats have absolutely nothing to do with low moral character?
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I can't believe this one is still going!
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@RationalMadman
but as it's based on oldschool logic of vaccination
"Oldschool logic" wiped out polio and smallpox.
New school logic can't even get rid of COVID-19 with 4 doses.
I'll stick with the method that works, and leave the other one for the liberal conspiracy theorists and their alternative facts.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Just balance it out with OAN time and you will continue to be a moron.
OAN and CNN are both owned by billionaires. Why do you love one and hate the other?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Unbelievable
What's so unbelievable about a former journalist pointing out that journalists aren't adhering to good journalism practices?
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