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Unfortunately not: while I mostly agree that personal attacks should be prohibited; a personal attack - or even several personal attacks isn’t cyber bullying.
I don’t think calling someone a d*** is the biggest problem in the world, or warrants severe action - but allowing it can let things escalate.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
While I kinda understand. (And I remember on an old defunct forum we had a rant forum where personal attacks were allowed provided the other person was in the thread)
My main issue is that even if personal attacks are allowed, abuse is obviously out of bounds: and it becomes a grey area of when does a personal attack become abuse. Personal attacks do make it much more obvious what is and is not acceptable in that regards. As a moderator it’s much easier to enforce the personal attack aspect than try and figure out when it becomes abusive and over the line.
Most importantly - you just have to see createdebate for what can happen when personal attacks are allowed and there’s low levels of moderation.
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So yeah; as explained - the avatar selection is not harassment, it’s mainly been used as very low level satire against the unceasing personal attacks and unremitting unsolicited accusations exemplified in this thread. As you seem to have ignored the reasoning and moved on to broad threats, and different accusations, I will leave it there.
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I’m primarily wary of your baseless accusations and repeated personally attacks - for which you have no evidence whatsoever being believed due to your constant implication that you have private information, which you clearly do not.
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Again - I have specifically asked you to share the information in public, and gave permission to share any of my PMs: not to specifically threaten to doxx some unknown set of information in private for the express purposes of intimidation. This is blatantly crossing a line - as there is literally no way I can address these ridiculous accusations for which you share no information or data in public.
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You are threatening to share private information in PM for the apparent purpose of intimidating me. Instead of doing as I requested - and sharing private correspondence you have in public. I have not given you permission to doxx or threaten to doxx whatever private information you have gained to others: and threatening to do so - for the at least the second time - is pretty substantial abuse.
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So you’re now dangling a specific threat ”to expose” me? And to share information about me? You're producing no evidence, despite you repeatedly making the claim; leaving me literally no ability to do anything about your completely unsupported claims.
This is just the pattern of personal attacks I’m talking about; this is nasty and pernicious threats here; yet you demand to be recognized as a victim because of Mr T? This is exactly my point - you have absolutely no compunction about repeated patterns of abuse yet demand we all feel sorry for you when someone mocks your outrageous claim; this is the entire point of my response.
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I am more than happy for you to share, in public - any of my private correspondence you have of me personally in its entirety.
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So, in this single thread; you have accused me of bullying you multiple times, accused me of being another user - with no evidence. You have accused me of being the ring leader in a group to torment and harass you; and I have patiently attempted to explain that as you have done little else but throw these accusations around for the last 8 months, my whole point is that there is little more I am able to do but satirize you.
Unfortunately, these accusations are both bullying and actual harassment - as you are constantly posting accusatory claims unsolicited in almost every possible location ; and itself is part of an unremitting and ceaseless pattern of attacks almost every day where you call me out for something - without ever presenting any demonstrable evidence of anything. You cannot be this unrelenting in your abuse, and then expect not to be lightly satirized in any way.
For a third time you are also confused - I didn’t really apologize at all; as frankly In the face of such unremitting personal attacks - I feel that there hasn’t really been a great deal that was inherently unreasonable or unfair - this post is mainly to explain why my choice of avatar to satirize your constant attacks cannot be considered harassment.
In terms of your feelings, given that you don’t seem to have any particular qualms about launching an unremitting campaign of personal attacks - that are continuing up to your last post: I don’t feel that your feelings should be protected in this matter - and certainly I do not feel that I should care that you were offended by such a vacuous and benign as selecting a dollar coin to your 50cent in a profile picture when you seem to have no such compunction when it comes to, say, threatening to doxx someone. This is not to say I have ever gone out of my way to hurt your feelings; but just that I have limited capacity for empathy for someone so easily offended yet so willing to offend.
Unfortunately, these accusations are both bullying and actual harassment - as you are constantly posting accusatory claims unsolicited in almost every possible location ; and itself is part of an unremitting and ceaseless pattern of attacks almost every day where you call me out for something - without ever presenting any demonstrable evidence of anything. You cannot be this unrelenting in your abuse, and then expect not to be lightly satirized in any way.
For a third time you are also confused - I didn’t really apologize at all; as frankly In the face of such unremitting personal attacks - I feel that there hasn’t really been a great deal that was inherently unreasonable or unfair - this post is mainly to explain why my choice of avatar to satirize your constant attacks cannot be considered harassment.
In terms of your feelings, given that you don’t seem to have any particular qualms about launching an unremitting campaign of personal attacks - that are continuing up to your last post: I don’t feel that your feelings should be protected in this matter - and certainly I do not feel that I should care that you were offended by such a vacuous and benign as selecting a dollar coin to your 50cent in a profile picture when you seem to have no such compunction when it comes to, say, threatening to doxx someone. This is not to say I have ever gone out of my way to hurt your feelings; but just that I have limited capacity for empathy for someone so easily offended yet so willing to offend.
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You keep saying I have denied changing avatar pictures. I’m not entirely sure why; as the entire sum of my first thread was dedicated to broadly explaining why I changed avatar pictures.
It’s hard to hold a conversation about this if you don’t appear to have even read the content of the post.
In addition; whenever you make accusations that I’m a cyber bully with no justification; call me sadistic, purposefully voting against you, that I’m dishonest, that in a user on another site that sends you death threats and engages in anti-Semitic tirades; in fact this post, your posts in the AMA and a substantial proportion of the posts you make call me out - unsolicited - by name alleging bad behaviour of some kind or another; this has been repeated, unsolicited, incessant and unceasing for the last 8 months. While I’m sure you can find many instances of me replying humorously to one of your innumerable unsolicited call outs - this is the point of my entire post: I am responding to your accusations with humour and satire.
It is wholly dishonest to spend almost every other post making unsolicited and unfounded accusations against someone - then call someone a bully for making humours responses to them.
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If you re-read my post it should be very clear that I’m not denying I’ve changed my avatars; only the most recent; I’m pointing out that:
a.) it’s been done solely as a direct response to your continual and systematic campaign of personal attacks over the last 8 months
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b.) No reasonable human being would consider “changing a profile to Mr T in response to creating a profile with an S in it,” to be any form of harassment. Really, the whole premise is so facile and trivial that it shouldn’t need to be explained. They are not offensive, derogatory, nor demeaning in any direct or even indirect way other than being solely targeted to lampoon your accusations.
I think the main issue is that while you may very well get offended by innocuous criticism, and that offence is real; being offended by relatively innocuous actions do not make those actions inherently harassment or bullying.
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The genius avatar was actually a self depricating reference to myself (I do that a lot) : I wanted to change my avatar to reflect myself - and precipitated by a stupid incident last night: as I describe myself as either a dumb smart person or smart dumb person and cut my internet teeth on rage comics, this was my choice. I am pretty open about what is and isn’t related to you.
Even though it wasn’t directed at you; I have however changed it for your benefit.
Saying that, a major omission you make in your assumption here, is that of context.
The context here is not you going about your business only to have me constantly copy your profile picture while you stand back from afar. The Context is that for the last 6-8ish months you’ve been engaged in a fairly relentless campaign of unceasing personal attacks and accusations. For the first couple of months, if you recall, I countered the factual accuracy of your claims, challenged you to debates and asked you to stop.
As you’ve continued fairly unabated since then - I now mostly just use various forms of humour to mock the validity of these outrageous and unfounded claims - I can’t do much more. I most often do this by “playing into” the accusations, insinuations and tropes you use : You’ve called me manipulative; so I’ve changed my avatar to Machiavelli, you’ve called me evil - so I chose emperor palpatine, you’ve accused me of thinking I’m better than you; so I ended up changing my avatar to a dollar coin (as a tacit reference to your picture of 50cent) - which imo is objectively hilarious any way you think about it.
All the avatar changes are intended to play into this repeated and consistent narrative you espouse in the form of an accusatory tropes of me thinking I’m better than you, or that I am an enemy out to get you. That’s what these profile pictures are targeting. None are explicitly or objectively demeaning, none are derogatory or abusive. They are a trivial, non-abusive, indirect commentary on your accusations - and I have made that expressly clear to you in the past that their intent is intended as satire for these accusations.
Consider, however, that over the last 8 months you’ve repeatedly accused me of bullying, harassment, accused me of engaging in off-site anti-semitism, death threats, and verbally abusing you off the site; accusing me of being someone else, threatened to doxx me, and share my personal information with others, despite repeated pleas to stop on all counts, and generally been out to get you - this pattern of abuse has been over PMs, debate comments, forum comments, call-out threads - even in votes, and debate rounds; extending to other websites - you also wrote 3 raps about it.
While I’m generally fine with this abuse: I find it particularly obtuse and wholly disingenuous that you now consider something as egregious as selecting an R as a profile picture when you had Q from start trek, and choosing a dollar coin when you had 50 cent as reference to your attacks and portrayal to be harassment.
Saying that I will be considering the nature of how I engage in humour when faced with such unfounded accusations going forward due to increased responsibility as part of the mod team, and in light of what happened with Bsh (in part this is why I modified the avatar) - it’s probably not as appropriate for such light hearted mockery of accusations - but up to this point as a vote moderator with no forum power, I do not feel that using general low level satire - including using profile pictures - to lampoon these regular personal attacks constitutes anything particularly unethical or inappropriate especially considering the nature of the attacks they are directed at.
Even though it wasn’t directed at you; I have however changed it for your benefit.
Saying that, a major omission you make in your assumption here, is that of context.
The context here is not you going about your business only to have me constantly copy your profile picture while you stand back from afar. The Context is that for the last 6-8ish months you’ve been engaged in a fairly relentless campaign of unceasing personal attacks and accusations. For the first couple of months, if you recall, I countered the factual accuracy of your claims, challenged you to debates and asked you to stop.
As you’ve continued fairly unabated since then - I now mostly just use various forms of humour to mock the validity of these outrageous and unfounded claims - I can’t do much more. I most often do this by “playing into” the accusations, insinuations and tropes you use : You’ve called me manipulative; so I’ve changed my avatar to Machiavelli, you’ve called me evil - so I chose emperor palpatine, you’ve accused me of thinking I’m better than you; so I ended up changing my avatar to a dollar coin (as a tacit reference to your picture of 50cent) - which imo is objectively hilarious any way you think about it.
All the avatar changes are intended to play into this repeated and consistent narrative you espouse in the form of an accusatory tropes of me thinking I’m better than you, or that I am an enemy out to get you. That’s what these profile pictures are targeting. None are explicitly or objectively demeaning, none are derogatory or abusive. They are a trivial, non-abusive, indirect commentary on your accusations - and I have made that expressly clear to you in the past that their intent is intended as satire for these accusations.
Consider, however, that over the last 8 months you’ve repeatedly accused me of bullying, harassment, accused me of engaging in off-site anti-semitism, death threats, and verbally abusing you off the site; accusing me of being someone else, threatened to doxx me, and share my personal information with others, despite repeated pleas to stop on all counts, and generally been out to get you - this pattern of abuse has been over PMs, debate comments, forum comments, call-out threads - even in votes, and debate rounds; extending to other websites - you also wrote 3 raps about it.
While I’m generally fine with this abuse: I find it particularly obtuse and wholly disingenuous that you now consider something as egregious as selecting an R as a profile picture when you had Q from start trek, and choosing a dollar coin when you had 50 cent as reference to your attacks and portrayal to be harassment.
Saying that I will be considering the nature of how I engage in humour when faced with such unfounded accusations going forward due to increased responsibility as part of the mod team, and in light of what happened with Bsh (in part this is why I modified the avatar) - it’s probably not as appropriate for such light hearted mockery of accusations - but up to this point as a vote moderator with no forum power, I do not feel that using general low level satire - including using profile pictures - to lampoon these regular personal attacks constitutes anything particularly unethical or inappropriate especially considering the nature of the attacks they are directed at.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
To be honest I agree; but at the same time I think it’s probably more important to have a variety of different moderator attitudes than political. Having Captain BanHammer in the same mod team as someone who has a more hands off view generally leads to a much better discussion.
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@bsh1
Pipe down there Benjamin Button
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@bsh1
@Speedrace
Congratulations Speedrace!
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lo lo lo lo Lola.
duhduhduhduh dun dun
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Lola
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I’m probably going to start a couple once I can figure out a narrow enough topic. Probably on nuclear power, or anti-YEC
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@bsh1
Tis one of my more subtler passive aggressive profile pictures :) I loved that episode though.
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Yeah; I really think you misunderstood the metaphor. Which is odd as it’s a fairly simple metaphor.
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No one who demands to be called King deserves to be called king.
Barroness von Belligerent Bully - on the other hand...
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Lord Belligerent Bully then, I don’t mind.
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Ramshutu is one of the most belligerent bullies of the site. His taste in mods is bound to be wrong. The rest have no reason to want drafter unless there is indeed collusion at play.
That’s Sir Belligerent Bully to you, thanks.
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Yeah this is an old meme. Joe mama has been around the block a few times.
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@David
Bsh1 for dear leader
Lies! Bsh1 is not our “dear leader”
He is Bsh1 of the House Fabulous; First if his name (literally - the 1 is right there). Banner of Trolls. Breaker of wind. Protector of the Left Testicle. Roller of Eyes. Leader of the first men and women of moderation, King of the 7 Forums.
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I unvote virtuoso, and vote Bsh1
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I think these events require a Speshul counsel
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And yes; my Testicles are “National Treasure” and “National Treasure 2”
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@Castin
Pfft. It’s far too crass for Bsh1. Sebastian is a classy posh name; the type of name that would often be introduced to oxford graduates.
Mine on the other hand, is Dickolas Cage.
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@Castin
To be frank, if Bsh has a nickname for his junk, it would be something like “Sebastian”
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CoC is obviously Code of Conduct; and is nothing to do with male dangly bits.
Its quote long, so I think there should be an abridged shorter version - Keynotes if you will: though I have no clue what it should be called...
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I have a particular strong suspicion that this is just an attempt to make it seem like RM was the beneficiary of campaigning, after their preferred candidate(s) didn’t make it and/or lost out for the same reason.
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@RM
You’re welcome, I meant what I said in the congratulations thread, and In both my nominations and vote; I think the winners of the HoF - which includes you - objectively contributed to this site more than I have - and I think everyone inducted and nominated deserved those 3 places more than I.
I had considered for the shortest time voting for myself, or switching my virtuoso vote for myself - it would have been a good tactical move that would have got me in, but that’s not how I roll, and infinitely prefer the current outcome than otherwise, the HoF is about celebrating the community we have and that would have been antithetical to the purpose.
The testicle thread is my favourite outcome here: for me I would much rather have content I was part of being celebrated than myself.
The only thing I’m actually genuinely disappointed about was that you were one of two people I had recommended to write my bio; it’s a shame as I would have looked forward to reading that. Maybe next year!
I would definitely encourage you to stop with this nonsense about other sites though; I’m Ramshutu here, there and everywhere; if I had an alter ego, I’d use it to fight crime.
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Congratulations to everyone! Seriously, I think everyone inducted fully deserves to be there; and I for one found the process - with a few given examples of drama - was well conducted and affirming, before we return to our regular pattern of all being assholes to each other, a lot of people said a lot of good things about everyone, and we should all take heart at the community we built.
My personal favourite is that while Bshs left testicle could not be nominated as a user, his entire sack, from pubis to chode is now forever immortalized. I would truly have lost my Sh*t if that thread didn’t make it in!
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@Imabench
Wait? There’s a political fuckery hole?
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