Whether you agree ot not and whether he is Type1 or not, I am not trolling you when i tell you this is god tier wordplay that maintains rhyme scheme despite how good it plays woth the words:
"you can suck my dick
but can you duck my sick?
duck fast enough when I throw up my fish
cause' I've never experienced disgust like this
I've never read bars that can suck like his"
That is one of the best superficial (meaning nonspecific) diss string of I guess 2.5 bars, ever (pseudo)spat by any rapper.
That is something he could ghostwrite for Eminem himself.
If you think this is trolling, you don't understand rap quality. FishChaser himself doesn't correctly comprehend rap quality but that is because he is a better rapper than judge.
Him being named FishChaser makes it even more god tier than it would otherwise be.
He should have added 'can you' before the second 'duck'. Beyond that no flaw in it.
The definition of unacceptable and word itself make this rigged for Pro as it is entirely acceptable to racist societies and subcultures at the bare minimum.
Actually since I didn't represent them with an explanation, it's better to give you the three tracks I'd use in case you want to 'argue against' the 3 chosen which is not really the focus but whatever.
please genuinely take the time of like 40 full seconds to let the beat build in my Round 3 (put it on loop in background only works on computer unless you got YT premium)
then, read my round (3) and imagine faster paced, vicious drill delivery.
It will rhyme in almost any american or canadian accent unless very twanged. It probably can even rhyme in most UK and European-speaking-English accents. Seems to even flow sick in an Aussie or NZ accent. Some parts won't flow well in those though.
Wow, thank you. I take on board the parts where you say Devon was better too. I actually agree with a lot of what you said, I would vote me here to a similar degree, Devon's Round 4 was impressive to me but very forced/dull to you, I think Devon didn't properly look through my post history or anything at all to land a single personal on me other than about my username. It's also why I began to just keep digging as there wasn't much to even 'comeback' about by the ending.
I actually did my Round 3 more for Fishchaser, who I am pretty sure likes rhyme-spam and vicious bars. I think people prefer shallower bars with slicker rhyming on this website. I have begun to get the idea.
For me, my Round 3 was my most technically impressive for reasons beyond just that. Drill forces you to choose to either be slick as hell or just pure rhyme spam with no substance. If you have substance to a Drill style, the Drill rap can be phenomenal but most drillers lack that, hence why Drill rap is usually just mediocre.
Do you do anything in raps other than go mass murderer?
What I had here was closeted LGBTphobe with gory tendencies vs a mass murder trope on repeat.
In the end even catching the pops and sucker bar is just like a meh to me. It is a good pun. I get it but it is like rapping horrorcore for a track, not battle rap. You kill Pro's dad and what? Maybe I think too literally but to me that was a meh bar.
He doesn't properly understand what a pun is and how to land it, generally speaking. He at times lands bars where the pun in the bar is in the wrong place for it to sting or make you go 'oof'.
Fishchaser annihilates Devon at rhymscheme mastery but he does so at the sake of coherence at times. Let's see who wins that tradeoff:
"you can hear the sizzle, that's your testicles fried
you're nothing but a filthy reprehensible swine
I used a razor blade for dissecting your eye
poured bleach on it then had sex with your wife
while connectin' the rhymes
what can you do to kill me bitch?
I bet your bitch would fuck on other guys the second you died"
I have deleted 3 lines that justify the 'kill me bitch' switching in rhyming. I get it, it's advance but I want to focus on the other rhyme pattern. Sizzle and filthy, 'it then', 'bitch would', 'in' the' and 'kill me' are actually internal rhymes that are carried out in all longer lines of that verse. He carries over' eh eeh uh ai' consistently in the ending with 'ii eeh ii' being the switched rhyme pattern.
This is verse 1 alone. This standard is not perfectly maintained throughout but the degree of consistent rhyming and structuring for easy flow is impeccable. On the other hand, it's just horrorcore and typical diss content.
Now let's compare that to what I think is the best rhyme verse from Con's R1:
wait... Con actually split verses for no reason just for bar count maybe?? Con clearly is counting bars or something and having a structure to his rapping that he likes to stick to. For no reason at all these verses got split:
"As soon I accepted this battle, you're dead cause I'm locking it in
I'm bout to spaz, an ass whooping is what you'll get in the end
I rep my city where you drown if you not gonna swim
I'm the shark that'll get you before you see the top of the fin
You're not gonna win, that bullshit you got in your "pen"?
Trash. People seeing this battle saying "Devon hotter than him."
Real rap b*tch, don't think that I'm your friend
Time to reel you out the water, I'm a great fisherman"
They should be the same verse/stanza, the rhyme scheme is carrying over (though I'm your friend paces and slants too differently to be proper rhyming it still works as half-rhyming).
Hotter than him, top of the fin , not gonna swim and locking it in all rhyme incredibly. However, what I think Con does totally wrong here is set the entire bar up. It's obvious to me it's aimed at Pro's username but it doesn't quite make sense. Firstly, a 'fish chaser' with a shark pic is a shark that also considers himself a more organic 'fisherman' if you will. Even if we ignore that and imagine 'reel' was with a harpoon and such, the way this is set up makes the fish metaphor appear internalised and carried over as opposed to the actual punchline aimed at Pro personally. If something about 'chase' had been added it would have landed much harsher.
Nowhere in Pro's Round 1 did Pro say Devon is his friend, so that line is pure filler but filler lines are fine, I get it's to maybe flex or something. He says he reps his city, sounds like a stolen bar from another rapper because he doesn't say which? I assume the Devon refers to the US designated area (not sure if it's really a city) rather than the UK county.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devon,_Pennsylvania
I don't understand what this has to do with swimming and drowning, the area is known horse shows, not swimming or sailing etc.
Rhyme-wise Devon is slightly weaker and he DOES NOT make up for it in coherence. However. Devon dissed Fishchaser's username as weak and peculiar as the bars surrounding it were.
What I also find extremely strange is this line later from Devon in Round 1:
Ashame how it's this is a Great Dane against a Great White
I get he feels this is clever but if he's saying he's a fisherman and saying this is a swimming arena in the very verse/stanza before that, this metaphor just seems too improvised.
Great danes are big dogs but known to be pretty lame/passive in a fighting sense. Great white sharks are the most aggressive and brutal shark (though tiger sharks have superior success rate at killing instead of just injuring, they have attacked just over a third of the rate that GWs do in the first place). I am struggling to understand this bar because if anyone should have used this metaphor it should have been Pro, it's much stronger the other way around if he's saying the great dane is going for a swim and stuff.
I also feel that the bar lands even weaker, not stronger, due to the buildup being this:
This is a kitten in a cage with lion this just ain't right,
Idk if Devon took heed from me as I use animal metaphors quite often in my spars and did so against him but the way this is built up is very strange. Kitten vs lion is a perfect metaphor, this is building up to tame vs brutal animal angle... Next line makes FishChaser the more brutal animal and great danes are quite tame dogs.
I don't get it.
Now, let's just give respect to pro for this:
"you can suck my dick
but can you duck my sick?
duck fast enough when I throw up my fish
cause' I've never experienced disgust like this
I've never read bars that can suck like his"
It doesn't matter how superficial and nonsense this is, what Pro did was realise he can't diss Devon's username much perhaps? So, he instead used his own in some incredible rhyme-scheme-maintained wordplay. It's also a subtle but a bonus point that the 'sucker' start to end is Con instead of Pro becoming the one who sucks his blood or remains or something as that would in a way backfire the buildup.
This is just a proper buildup and landing though idk if the structure make it count a 2 bars, 2.5 or 3. I'm never fully clear on that. Devon's is much easier to measure as Devon structures more rigid.
the extreme homophobia in Round 2 on top of Transphobia throughout from Pro doesn't quite add up to me. Con neither identifies as transgender doesn't even have gender as 'other' or 'female' so I get this is just wordplay to Pro but it is still digging into taboo rudeness for apparently NO reason. There's nothing more clever inside of the bars he mentions. for instance, why did the gangrape bar in Round 1 need to be anti LGBT? That added nothing to it. Why is it a diss to transition a transgender person? All Pro did was say he's a surgeon maybe. You have to make it land properly and Pro failed here to do so, to me:
"yet you're so generic
that I'll beat you with a bowl of ferrets
cut your throat and bury the blade in your open larynx
you should be so embarrassed
you thought your flow'd compare with me
it's heresy, hoe just cherish the seconds left and know you'll perish
everything you say makes many think your gay
I'm about to cut your penis off, I'm readying the blade
gonna turn it to a pussy so you better keep it shaved
turn you to your proper sex lest your gender be betrayed"
This is just gory, mean and nasty. It achieves an intimidating horrorcore vibe but it doesn't seem in any way cleverly angled at Con. It's rhyme-flexing even the metaphor isn't impressive. ferrets are brought up and not built on, blade is said to be to the neck yet later to the dick (if Con is dead why are you transitioning him into a her) it all doesn't add up to me. Furthermore, Pro conflates homophobia with transphobia. If you're going to do that, make the bar have it land.
"I can already smell victory like blood a mile off
I'm a Carolina Reaper and your shit is mild sauce
your bars suck
whereas my lyrics are nuts
you want to talk about pics? fuck the shark stuff
I'll knock your lights out, now Sasuke's in the darkness
sausage Link gobbler to this Darknut
gotta think harder bruh, your lyrics aren't tough"
I liked this from Pro. I liked a lot from Pro but these transphobic bars just don't make sense to me:
"'ll douse you with gender fluid
your disses are rendered useless
I'll end the doofus with exclusive pen-usage meant loose his
gonads and construe them into ovaries and a uterus
then reattach his balls internally for senseless, stupid
lyrics that make me send the puke at him to rebuke it
in utter disgust"
It's just trying to aggravate and offend for the sake of it. This reads like an extremely provocative horrorcore rapper rapping about nobody in particular as opposed to genuine battle rap.
I will now grade them, won't explain too much more unless asked on specific verses/bars.
Round 1 Pro: 81/100 (skilled in many ways but out of nowhere LGBTphobic with no apparent indication of where that leads or links to Pro or how it lands as a diss about gangrape, a few 'why did you bring that up' bars that leave me wondering how it's a diss to Con make this lose quality from its otherwise top tier status, the internal rhyming is off the charts and it does have some BARS)
Round 1 Con: 66/100 (totally lacking good disses, decently skilled rhyming and such balanced with bars against Pro's username that don't land too strong).
Round 2 Pro: 42/100 (no idea what half these disses are referring to as Con isn't even LGBTQ to our knowledge and the bars just seem to be nonsense but the rhyming stops this being some 1/10 shitshow, there was slick rhyming involved and good wordplay).
Round 2 Con: 34/100 (ever bar in this is total fucking nonsense or trying to seem gangster for the sake of it, I'm not being mean let me just give you some idea:
"You think I can't fuck with you? I ain't come to play, I ain't had to rehearse for you
Freestyles or writtens I can rock it both ways I'm reversible"
This is literally a written rap, it sounds like a stolen bar from another rapper or something Con made elsewhere for an IRL battle. I don't say he stole it, I'm saying this sounds like something Con wrote with 0 understanding of how weak it lands in an online written format.
"You seem like a good kid though, you remind me of a Huxtable
Reflection of your dad so I throw shots and blow pop cause he a sucker too
And by the looks of things, I can tell I'm making you uncomfortable
Cause you candy, if we meet I'll crack you for the cheese cause I got the juice now, that's a Lunchable"
This is just nonsense to me and while it has decent rhyming even some internal stuff like 'candy' and 'crack you' or 'throw shots' and 'blow pop' it's all very iffy to me what is landing here. Where in this entire Round am I meant to go 'oof that's a fucking bar'? I genuinely can't see where.
To be clear, at this point, the score is 123 vs 100 So, I am quite sure I'm voting Pro.
Let's see.
Pro R3: 68/100 way too much reliance on the LGBTQphobia just waaaay too much. However, this time it lands and stings and carries over in ways from previous Rounds too.
rather than just randomly drop the 'gay pedo' accusation, it leads into:
"gay wanker with
a strange hankerin' for kids but he ain't dangerous"
as well as "kill yourself, your ass is gay
homosexuals commit suicide at massive rates
but if it means you die too, then thats ok"
However, this is all homophobia nonsense for the sake of it. It's still so unclear why Pro has to keep stooping that low that often to an opponent who isn't even gay in the first place. It's like Pro has nothing better to spit about at this point, even though he's spitting well and vicious.
"cluck in fear because I'm near
attackin' from the rear
I shove a spear inside his butt and smear
his blood in here, because I'm weird"
This is total nonsense since now Pro is kind of gay too and 'for the 'cause' in 'because' to rhyme with 'cluck', 'butt' and 'shove' and itself (yes he repeated because in only a 4-line section) seems to be accent-bending and just all around weaker than his usual rhyme scheme intensity.
It's a definitely decent round, nothing special though, there's some viciousness and a lot of slick internal rhyming and flow. The bars have actual build up and landing at times, even if they're cringey and ridiculous.
I don't really consider his reference to ponikshiy impressive, it was a name-drop to flex, I get it so I give 1-2 point extra for it let's say he was 66-67 without that.
It was good. However. It was not enough. I know Con is going to be very unhappy with my vote here and that I rated his Round 3 only 7.7/10 but look, realistically this is a good Round, not great.
Half the time, I am wondering where the punchline is but I like the consistently good rhyme scheme, viciousness and that this Round a lot of what Con says at least makes sense for battle rap.
"Y'all deluded if y'all think this dude hot
Another big win for me, this the jackpot
I'll get your G shot on time like a wrist watch
Because the heat go both ways like Chris Bosh"
why not make all four rhyme with 'ii aw' rhyme scheme? That type of stuff could have led to this being higher rated.
There's internal rhyming like G me and heat, I get it. It just doesn't land like an oof to me or make my jaw drop as what you're saying is sort of 'meh'.
"I heard about your girl too, she an animal, eating bitches alive she a cannibal
When I say her head fire, it ain't her sex game. It's because her weave flammable"
This is fucked up but not in a funny way or an offensive way much. Firstly, everything Pro has said about Con being gay or transgender seems totally ignored by Con. Instead Con says that Pro has a girlfriend that's a freak and going to get burnt alive... wtf...
I think Con was trying to rap like Pro a bit there, I get it. I'm not saying it's 'terrible' at all but it doesn't make me go dayuuum especially as it's a standalone bar?
"You thought you had a shot at my crown? You just next to die
If FishChaser start to F with my green, I spray the pest aside
Schools in, recess over, who's next in line
Everybody gotta learn its no child left behind"
I mean what? Isn't the last line a total backfire to the first line?????????
However, this verse/stanza was hot:
"How dare you sit here and claim I don't spit fire
Now you getting flamed in the middle of the ring like a pit fire
I'm back on my job, you was only a temp hire
You think you own this throne? Nah, this is my empire"
I dig it. If the whole thing had been like this Con may have scored in the top tier. This is fucking sick. The rest of the Round was subpar in comparison.
(49:11) O believers! Do not let some ˹men˺ ridicule others, they may be better than them, nor let ˹some˺ women ridicule other women, they may be better than them. Do not defame one another, nor call each other by offensive nicknames. How evil it is to act rebelliously after having faith! And whoever does not repent, it is they who are the ˹true˺ wrongdoers.
And that is wrong and part of the stigma driving MAPs to be too afraid to open up to therapists ending up with seriously repressed urges that only the higher EQ can self-therapise their way out of.
Nobody who experiences that will open up about it, they will bury it and that can lead to bursts of feeling the need to act on it whereas if they were more open about it and able to be comfortable with feeling such taboo urges, they could finally come to terms with the fact that it's a choice, acting vs wanting to and that fantasy is a safe area, acting isn't.
It sounds simple, the ending of what I just wrote, but is not simple. People learn to bury the urges, never having fantasies in their heads and scared shitless to come to terms with their sexuality. This does NOT help them control the urges.
The thing is you have to use steroids to 'break out' the body pumped look but once you'd done that in 2 or 3 bursts, you no longer need to use steroids to maintain it, you just have to keep exercising often enough.
Whether you agree ot not and whether he is Type1 or not, I am not trolling you when i tell you this is god tier wordplay that maintains rhyme scheme despite how good it plays woth the words:
"you can suck my dick
but can you duck my sick?
duck fast enough when I throw up my fish
cause' I've never experienced disgust like this
I've never read bars that can suck like his"
That is one of the best superficial (meaning nonspecific) diss string of I guess 2.5 bars, ever (pseudo)spat by any rapper.
That is something he could ghostwrite for Eminem himself.
If you think this is trolling, you don't understand rap quality. FishChaser himself doesn't correctly comprehend rap quality but that is because he is a better rapper than judge.
Him being named FishChaser makes it even more god tier than it would otherwise be.
He should have added 'can you' before the second 'duck'. Beyond that no flaw in it.
The definition of unacceptable and word itself make this rigged for Pro as it is entirely acceptable to racist societies and subcultures at the bare minimum.
Female trans implies female sex but trans.
It is easy to interpret it that way.
Agree to disagree since female refers to biological sex in all other species.
Say MtF to make very clear what you mean.
Actually since I didn't represent them with an explanation, it's better to give you the three tracks I'd use in case you want to 'argue against' the 3 chosen which is not really the focus but whatever.
1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKzzZKbkowk
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRnXBYiyzXQ
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL805nLCL20
please post them if you are willing to.
Fuck I forgot to show 3 Apathy tracks. Will do in next round.
that took a lot more effort to do than I thought it would.
FishChaser will make it be that.
IRL theyd duo
Rino would simp for her, he respects her.
Vinnie would spit on the ground and say that trashbag aint worth it.
please genuinely take the time of like 40 full seconds to let the beat build in my Round 3 (put it on loop in background only works on computer unless you got YT premium)
then, read my round (3) and imagine faster paced, vicious drill delivery.
It will rhyme in almost any american or canadian accent unless very twanged. It probably can even rhyme in most UK and European-speaking-English accents. Seems to even flow sick in an Aussie or NZ accent. Some parts won't flow well in those though.
Do you think making the audience laugh at your wordplay increases or decreases the quality of the puns?
Wow, thank you. I take on board the parts where you say Devon was better too. I actually agree with a lot of what you said, I would vote me here to a similar degree, Devon's Round 4 was impressive to me but very forced/dull to you, I think Devon didn't properly look through my post history or anything at all to land a single personal on me other than about my username. It's also why I began to just keep digging as there wasn't much to even 'comeback' about by the ending.
Thanks for the vote.
I actually did my Round 3 more for Fishchaser, who I am pretty sure likes rhyme-spam and vicious bars. I think people prefer shallower bars with slicker rhyming on this website. I have begun to get the idea.
For me, my Round 3 was my most technically impressive for reasons beyond just that. Drill forces you to choose to either be slick as hell or just pure rhyme spam with no substance. If you have substance to a Drill style, the Drill rap can be phenomenal but most drillers lack that, hence why Drill rap is usually just mediocre.
I agree to Slainte's. Not those 2.
Where did you say that instead of just rhyming?
Okay.
Do you do anything in raps other than go mass murderer?
What I had here was closeted LGBTphobe with gory tendencies vs a mass murder trope on repeat.
In the end even catching the pops and sucker bar is just like a meh to me. It is a good pun. I get it but it is like rapping horrorcore for a track, not battle rap. You kill Pro's dad and what? Maybe I think too literally but to me that was a meh bar.
It is good though, I get the wordplay matters.
Arguments: Better lyricism, including quality of comebacks and metaphors
This was never in your system
What did you say Arguments should be?
Ok i agree to that system
RFD Part 1/4
I will explain a major flaw in Devon's rapping:
He doesn't properly understand what a pun is and how to land it, generally speaking. He at times lands bars where the pun in the bar is in the wrong place for it to sting or make you go 'oof'.
Fishchaser annihilates Devon at rhymscheme mastery but he does so at the sake of coherence at times. Let's see who wins that tradeoff:
"you can hear the sizzle, that's your testicles fried
you're nothing but a filthy reprehensible swine
I used a razor blade for dissecting your eye
poured bleach on it then had sex with your wife
while connectin' the rhymes
what can you do to kill me bitch?
I bet your bitch would fuck on other guys the second you died"
I have deleted 3 lines that justify the 'kill me bitch' switching in rhyming. I get it, it's advance but I want to focus on the other rhyme pattern. Sizzle and filthy, 'it then', 'bitch would', 'in' the' and 'kill me' are actually internal rhymes that are carried out in all longer lines of that verse. He carries over' eh eeh uh ai' consistently in the ending with 'ii eeh ii' being the switched rhyme pattern.
This is verse 1 alone. This standard is not perfectly maintained throughout but the degree of consistent rhyming and structuring for easy flow is impeccable. On the other hand, it's just horrorcore and typical diss content.
Now let's compare that to what I think is the best rhyme verse from Con's R1:
wait... Con actually split verses for no reason just for bar count maybe?? Con clearly is counting bars or something and having a structure to his rapping that he likes to stick to. For no reason at all these verses got split:
"As soon I accepted this battle, you're dead cause I'm locking it in
I'm bout to spaz, an ass whooping is what you'll get in the end
I rep my city where you drown if you not gonna swim
I'm the shark that'll get you before you see the top of the fin
You're not gonna win, that bullshit you got in your "pen"?
Trash. People seeing this battle saying "Devon hotter than him."
Real rap b*tch, don't think that I'm your friend
Time to reel you out the water, I'm a great fisherman"
They should be the same verse/stanza, the rhyme scheme is carrying over (though I'm your friend paces and slants too differently to be proper rhyming it still works as half-rhyming).
Hotter than him, top of the fin , not gonna swim and locking it in all rhyme incredibly. However, what I think Con does totally wrong here is set the entire bar up. It's obvious to me it's aimed at Pro's username but it doesn't quite make sense. Firstly, a 'fish chaser' with a shark pic is a shark that also considers himself a more organic 'fisherman' if you will. Even if we ignore that and imagine 'reel' was with a harpoon and such, the way this is set up makes the fish metaphor appear internalised and carried over as opposed to the actual punchline aimed at Pro personally. If something about 'chase' had been added it would have landed much harsher.
Nowhere in Pro's Round 1 did Pro say Devon is his friend, so that line is pure filler but filler lines are fine, I get it's to maybe flex or something. He says he reps his city, sounds like a stolen bar from another rapper because he doesn't say which? I assume the Devon refers to the US designated area (not sure if it's really a city) rather than the UK county.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devon,_Pennsylvania
I don't understand what this has to do with swimming and drowning, the area is known horse shows, not swimming or sailing etc.
Rhyme-wise Devon is slightly weaker and he DOES NOT make up for it in coherence. However. Devon dissed Fishchaser's username as weak and peculiar as the bars surrounding it were.
RFD Part 2/4
What I also find extremely strange is this line later from Devon in Round 1:
Ashame how it's this is a Great Dane against a Great White
I get he feels this is clever but if he's saying he's a fisherman and saying this is a swimming arena in the very verse/stanza before that, this metaphor just seems too improvised.
Great danes are big dogs but known to be pretty lame/passive in a fighting sense. Great white sharks are the most aggressive and brutal shark (though tiger sharks have superior success rate at killing instead of just injuring, they have attacked just over a third of the rate that GWs do in the first place). I am struggling to understand this bar because if anyone should have used this metaphor it should have been Pro, it's much stronger the other way around if he's saying the great dane is going for a swim and stuff.
I also feel that the bar lands even weaker, not stronger, due to the buildup being this:
This is a kitten in a cage with lion this just ain't right,
Idk if Devon took heed from me as I use animal metaphors quite often in my spars and did so against him but the way this is built up is very strange. Kitten vs lion is a perfect metaphor, this is building up to tame vs brutal animal angle... Next line makes FishChaser the more brutal animal and great danes are quite tame dogs.
I don't get it.
Now, let's just give respect to pro for this:
"you can suck my dick
but can you duck my sick?
duck fast enough when I throw up my fish
cause' I've never experienced disgust like this
I've never read bars that can suck like his"
It doesn't matter how superficial and nonsense this is, what Pro did was realise he can't diss Devon's username much perhaps? So, he instead used his own in some incredible rhyme-scheme-maintained wordplay. It's also a subtle but a bonus point that the 'sucker' start to end is Con instead of Pro becoming the one who sucks his blood or remains or something as that would in a way backfire the buildup.
This is just a proper buildup and landing though idk if the structure make it count a 2 bars, 2.5 or 3. I'm never fully clear on that. Devon's is much easier to measure as Devon structures more rigid.
the extreme homophobia in Round 2 on top of Transphobia throughout from Pro doesn't quite add up to me. Con neither identifies as transgender doesn't even have gender as 'other' or 'female' so I get this is just wordplay to Pro but it is still digging into taboo rudeness for apparently NO reason. There's nothing more clever inside of the bars he mentions. for instance, why did the gangrape bar in Round 1 need to be anti LGBT? That added nothing to it. Why is it a diss to transition a transgender person? All Pro did was say he's a surgeon maybe. You have to make it land properly and Pro failed here to do so, to me:
"yet you're so generic
that I'll beat you with a bowl of ferrets
cut your throat and bury the blade in your open larynx
you should be so embarrassed
you thought your flow'd compare with me
it's heresy, hoe just cherish the seconds left and know you'll perish
everything you say makes many think your gay
I'm about to cut your penis off, I'm readying the blade
gonna turn it to a pussy so you better keep it shaved
turn you to your proper sex lest your gender be betrayed"
This is just gory, mean and nasty. It achieves an intimidating horrorcore vibe but it doesn't seem in any way cleverly angled at Con. It's rhyme-flexing even the metaphor isn't impressive. ferrets are brought up and not built on, blade is said to be to the neck yet later to the dick (if Con is dead why are you transitioning him into a her) it all doesn't add up to me. Furthermore, Pro conflates homophobia with transphobia. If you're going to do that, make the bar have it land.
"I can already smell victory like blood a mile off
I'm a Carolina Reaper and your shit is mild sauce
your bars suck
whereas my lyrics are nuts
you want to talk about pics? fuck the shark stuff
I'll knock your lights out, now Sasuke's in the darkness
sausage Link gobbler to this Darknut
gotta think harder bruh, your lyrics aren't tough"
I liked this from Pro. I liked a lot from Pro but these transphobic bars just don't make sense to me:
"'ll douse you with gender fluid
your disses are rendered useless
I'll end the doofus with exclusive pen-usage meant loose his
gonads and construe them into ovaries and a uterus
then reattach his balls internally for senseless, stupid
lyrics that make me send the puke at him to rebuke it
in utter disgust"
It's just trying to aggravate and offend for the sake of it. This reads like an extremely provocative horrorcore rapper rapping about nobody in particular as opposed to genuine battle rap.
RFD Part 3/4
I will now grade them, won't explain too much more unless asked on specific verses/bars.
Round 1 Pro: 81/100 (skilled in many ways but out of nowhere LGBTphobic with no apparent indication of where that leads or links to Pro or how it lands as a diss about gangrape, a few 'why did you bring that up' bars that leave me wondering how it's a diss to Con make this lose quality from its otherwise top tier status, the internal rhyming is off the charts and it does have some BARS)
Round 1 Con: 66/100 (totally lacking good disses, decently skilled rhyming and such balanced with bars against Pro's username that don't land too strong).
Round 2 Pro: 42/100 (no idea what half these disses are referring to as Con isn't even LGBTQ to our knowledge and the bars just seem to be nonsense but the rhyming stops this being some 1/10 shitshow, there was slick rhyming involved and good wordplay).
Round 2 Con: 34/100 (ever bar in this is total fucking nonsense or trying to seem gangster for the sake of it, I'm not being mean let me just give you some idea:
"You think I can't fuck with you? I ain't come to play, I ain't had to rehearse for you
Freestyles or writtens I can rock it both ways I'm reversible"
This is literally a written rap, it sounds like a stolen bar from another rapper or something Con made elsewhere for an IRL battle. I don't say he stole it, I'm saying this sounds like something Con wrote with 0 understanding of how weak it lands in an online written format.
"You seem like a good kid though, you remind me of a Huxtable
Reflection of your dad so I throw shots and blow pop cause he a sucker too
And by the looks of things, I can tell I'm making you uncomfortable
Cause you candy, if we meet I'll crack you for the cheese cause I got the juice now, that's a Lunchable"
This is just nonsense to me and while it has decent rhyming even some internal stuff like 'candy' and 'crack you' or 'throw shots' and 'blow pop' it's all very iffy to me what is landing here. Where in this entire Round am I meant to go 'oof that's a fucking bar'? I genuinely can't see where.
To be clear, at this point, the score is 123 vs 100 So, I am quite sure I'm voting Pro.
Let's see.
Pro R3: 68/100 way too much reliance on the LGBTQphobia just waaaay too much. However, this time it lands and stings and carries over in ways from previous Rounds too.
rather than just randomly drop the 'gay pedo' accusation, it leads into:
"gay wanker with
a strange hankerin' for kids but he ain't dangerous"
as well as "kill yourself, your ass is gay
homosexuals commit suicide at massive rates
but if it means you die too, then thats ok"
However, this is all homophobia nonsense for the sake of it. It's still so unclear why Pro has to keep stooping that low that often to an opponent who isn't even gay in the first place. It's like Pro has nothing better to spit about at this point, even though he's spitting well and vicious.
"cluck in fear because I'm near
attackin' from the rear
I shove a spear inside his butt and smear
his blood in here, because I'm weird"
This is total nonsense since now Pro is kind of gay too and 'for the 'cause' in 'because' to rhyme with 'cluck', 'butt' and 'shove' and itself (yes he repeated because in only a 4-line section) seems to be accent-bending and just all around weaker than his usual rhyme scheme intensity.
It's a definitely decent round, nothing special though, there's some viciousness and a lot of slick internal rhyming and flow. The bars have actual build up and landing at times, even if they're cringey and ridiculous.
I don't really consider his reference to ponikshiy impressive, it was a name-drop to flex, I get it so I give 1-2 point extra for it let's say he was 66-67 without that.
RFD Part 4/4
Con's R3: 77/100
It was good. However. It was not enough. I know Con is going to be very unhappy with my vote here and that I rated his Round 3 only 7.7/10 but look, realistically this is a good Round, not great.
Half the time, I am wondering where the punchline is but I like the consistently good rhyme scheme, viciousness and that this Round a lot of what Con says at least makes sense for battle rap.
"Y'all deluded if y'all think this dude hot
Another big win for me, this the jackpot
I'll get your G shot on time like a wrist watch
Because the heat go both ways like Chris Bosh"
why not make all four rhyme with 'ii aw' rhyme scheme? That type of stuff could have led to this being higher rated.
There's internal rhyming like G me and heat, I get it. It just doesn't land like an oof to me or make my jaw drop as what you're saying is sort of 'meh'.
"I heard about your girl too, she an animal, eating bitches alive she a cannibal
When I say her head fire, it ain't her sex game. It's because her weave flammable"
This is fucked up but not in a funny way or an offensive way much. Firstly, everything Pro has said about Con being gay or transgender seems totally ignored by Con. Instead Con says that Pro has a girlfriend that's a freak and going to get burnt alive... wtf...
I think Con was trying to rap like Pro a bit there, I get it. I'm not saying it's 'terrible' at all but it doesn't make me go dayuuum especially as it's a standalone bar?
"You thought you had a shot at my crown? You just next to die
If FishChaser start to F with my green, I spray the pest aside
Schools in, recess over, who's next in line
Everybody gotta learn its no child left behind"
I mean what? Isn't the last line a total backfire to the first line?????????
However, this verse/stanza was hot:
"How dare you sit here and claim I don't spit fire
Now you getting flamed in the middle of the ring like a pit fire
I'm back on my job, you was only a temp hire
You think you own this throne? Nah, this is my empire"
I dig it. If the whole thing had been like this Con may have scored in the top tier. This is fucking sick. The rest of the Round was subpar in comparison.
I don't agree to the rules, you need to factor in quality of comebacks and metaphors.
You know FishChaser set this up as winner selection right?
You can't even split it.
No i don't agree to those rules.
Why did you give me 1 instead of 2 and why do you say neither had flow?
watch a beatdown take place
I liked your Round 4 a lot more than other Rounds.
Good job stepping up your rapping.
What are the rules about overlap?
Rino and Em are definitely in mine and depending what I decide later, Tech, Merk and Lock may be there too.
Who is ready for 300,000 characters discussing what puberty means and if Muhammad PBUH was actually a hebephile rather than pedophile?
*buckles up*
I also report tigerlord and lancelot's posts. please read and let me know if you deem them to all obey the rules, ty.
I cannot click any flags as you removed my flag function.
I report all this comments sections almost, except Slainte's posts.
Ty.
I can argue for Islam better than you can, Tigerlord, it is very likely.
I will do atheism vs Islam as a legal system as in Secular vs Sharia.
Tigerlord, vs me then
I cannot report anything physically, as you have made it be. I want to report fischaser's RFD.
Please attend, thank you.
(49:11) O believers! Do not let some ˹men˺ ridicule others, they may be better than them, nor let ˹some˺ women ridicule other women, they may be better than them. Do not defame one another, nor call each other by offensive nicknames. How evil it is to act rebelliously after having faith! And whoever does not repent, it is they who are the ˹true˺ wrongdoers.
https://quran.com/49?startingVerse=11
To mock people as 'tard' and dismiss them for that is Haram.
https://islamonline.net/en/the-prophets-care-for-people-with-special-needs/
https://islamqa.org/hanafi/daruliftaa-birmingham/19452/bullying-in-islam/
Be humble, do not judge and taunt fellow creations of Allah.
Nothing he does here is healthy. He is a truly unhappy guy that only understands toxicity.
It is Haram to ridicule or insult the mentally hindered with phrases such as 'tard minds'.
They are part of Allah's masterpiece, chosen to exist now as they are, in his almighty grand plan.
Keep your eyes glued and vote, cheers.
Rap's done, please vote.
And that is wrong and part of the stigma driving MAPs to be too afraid to open up to therapists ending up with seriously repressed urges that only the higher EQ can self-therapise their way out of.
Nobody who experiences that will open up about it, they will bury it and that can lead to bursts of feeling the need to act on it whereas if they were more open about it and able to be comfortable with feeling such taboo urges, they could finally come to terms with the fact that it's a choice, acting vs wanting to and that fantasy is a safe area, acting isn't.
It sounds simple, the ending of what I just wrote, but is not simple. People learn to bury the urges, never having fantasies in their heads and scared shitless to come to terms with their sexuality. This does NOT help them control the urges.
I won't take the bait to explain such an obvious thing.
I am not sure if it's a fluency issue or dyslexia or something but let me make this clearer to you:
An individual can HAVE Xphilia or Yphilia or BE an Xphille or Yphile.
How can Muhammad have BEEN a philia?
You are saying a person is a philia?
'phile' and 'philia' are not the same word ending btw
The thing is you have to use steroids to 'break out' the body pumped look but once you'd done that in 2 or 3 bursts, you no longer need to use steroids to maintain it, you just have to keep exercising often enough.
"So, if being capitalist and business-oriented were a priority to Pro, Pro would actually support NN. "
I meant abolishing NN, that was stupid of me