"You can't steal an election, it will always be there."
As a citizen of China, I must say you're one of the only people on the website who could make that statement sound more ironic and off-topic than it already is.
No, you were not being kind at all. I know/knew a person or two with Down's and they are not idiots.
Idiots tend to be people too lazy to use their brain well, which was why I said brain chemistry, as opposed to those struggling to the best of their ability every day and being actively alert and as useful as they can be.
Do not fucking misquote me and tell me it is a kindness.
I am not sure where I exactly said the quote Ehyeh is saying nor to I want to be associated with using the term 'retarded' with regards to people that are mentally challenged, tbh.
I don't know why I am being attributed to that at all.
Actually narcissists can be very empathetic, modern usage of the term is too colloquial and fails to understand something about narcissists that are not sociopath or psychopathic.
If this had been a one-rounder, Id be voting Con but that is also why 1-Rounders are inherently unfair to the instigator/leader.
In Round One, Christianm is trying to take the high ground, being very classic, trying to turn what is on the profile against Con etc. His flow is more boom bap than what comes in Round 2 and reads jarred to me (except the tetanus part) but it is still very decent.
This stood out to me:
"You're a StarCraft addict who lives at home
Show us all your profile: "Income: Unknown"
Drop out of this fight and go upstairs to your mother
No wonder Zach put "Life's Priority: Other""
At that stanza, I knew this is not a dumbass rap battle, this is gonna have humour and proper bars. The thing I loved was that the punchline was the profile detail and the yo mama incest or no-life hardcore i sults were the buildups, this was seriously fucking subtle and clever.
That was all well and good but Con hits back, hard.
Round 1 from Con was just as sharp and more barbed with what was said, not to mention that Con utilises internal rhyming as good or better than Pro (which isn't easy, Pro kept slipping in things like 'to your mother' with 'rity other' that in rap format in a typical American accent would be 3 syllable rhymes.
Con has lines with rhyme scheme and harsh bars like:
"Don’t quit your day job, Mr. Self Employed
You just wanna get high on fentanyl like George Floyd,
You wanna legalize drugs, abolish all taxes,
Whine about the Jews putting microchips in vaxes."
That makes you feel the oof fuck at the Floyd line and sets a feral, vicious tone. Read it to yourself, notice the subtle internal rhyming 'bolish taxes' 'rochips vaxes'. Certain accents will slur abolish to sound like abowlish and that enables a rhyme with microchips that is 2 syllables.
Lize wise high
Subtle intonation increasing flow across a series of 3 lines.
However, I feel Con tried to diss too hard on Pro being Libertarian as in using that as a punchline itself and went for a horrorcore violent theme at the ending but kept it only to diss Pro's religion... which, if we notice he dissed Pro's age is kind of uncalled for but I was okay with how it went, I felt a lot of oof oof felt the punchlines being mean.
The problem is that Con's Round 2 is saturated in repeats of Round 1 vibes and disses whereas Pro completely flexed how versatile he is.
This changed so much for me.
Con had 2 shots are flipping Pro's lines against him and the best he offered in Round 2 was:
"Can’t take a bit of smearing of your little ideology?
Looks like I’m gettin’ all up in your psychology
Oh look, how original - a Hitler analogy!
No wonder you gotta cling to Bronze Age mythology"
But the Hitler joke Pro made actually was original, he sarcastically called Hitler a Libertarian to throw back the ignorance of associating a Libertarian with all conspiracy theories and antisemitism etc.
It is actually is original and clever the way Pro even parsed the verse, left you think wait what and double-taking as the bar sinks in:
"Think I hate Jews, but who was really scared of them?
That's right, Hitler: the famous Libertarian
Here's some advice, I think you should heed it
You like Orwell's classic? Then actually read it"
Really scared of them
Libertarian
Ignore ber vs lly
This was incredible flow and syllable sliding as well as internal rhyming
He took Con's disses and simultaneously pushed Con's ignorance claim back onto hum while actually dissing a nearly undissable aspect of Com's profile; how well-read he is.
Rather than call Con a nerd Pro disses it by stitching together a defensive sarcastic 'think before you diss' with 'did you even read 1984 if you are dissing Libertarians so hard?'
This links well with the following:
"Now that you been hit twice, maybe you can see
I'm doing liberalism how it used to be
Take off your six masks, can't hear one word you say
God can put you in Hell, but I did it today"
This is just defensive bars on defensive bars on defensive bars.
Six masks was a jibe back at the calling Pro an antivaxxer, Liberalism was a remark to the previous SAME stanza and even same bar itself (bar is 2 rhyming l8nes or an extended line) it is quality as fuck comeback material.
Con was sticking to a script of sorts and then went for the 'I fucked your mother'sort of typical badass gangsta vibe, the thing is, we need to look at the actual evolution here, not standalone bars.
Pro frames Con as wasting his history major, being an all-round mooch/leech and htpocrite and out of nowhere in Round one comes up with this:
"Picture this, Phenenas; look into my retinas
I'll spit sick and stick you; infect you with tetanus
Just let this convince you, you want that acceptance
Depression will end you so start your repentance
I'll make history so you can write about it
And listen real closely, in case you ever doubt it
You read about icons; there's one that you can't cross
One day you can write the story of Zach's loss"
Which is nit that personal but is some of the sickest flow I saw all rap from Pro.
Actually read those lines makes you wince amd shake your head at how it comes off the tongue and lips. It is generic as Zach's later yo mama line so it doesn't net-harm my take of Pro vs Con
The thing is Pro starts like thar but then when given the chance to flip lines, his defense on defense R2 style comes in and he is actually funny, in my opinion. Serious wit comes out.
Con starts vicious but tries to recycle the 'haha Libertarian' angle by basically just saying Pro is Libertarian and it is dumb, he then disses Pro for whining in the comments section and yes it works but the most he evolves it into is word vomit which actually enables Pro's tetanus like to suddenly hold substance but fine, I do not need to be so literal...
I just do not 'feel' Con's R2 at all whereas Pro's R2 had me going wow that shit's clever.
Your meaning not matching my meaning doesnt lead to punishment for Con, it leads to a battle to convince the voter that our interpretation is more applicable.
I understand if you couldn't care less what the norms or standards are here but continually debating a position in the comments looks like manipulation even if the person you're debating can't vote.
The formal debate is over, perhaps make forum threads if you want to keep debating it.
Then again, this is something other members have done back and forth relentlessly in debate comments too.
I'm sure you have people who find what you post fascinating, such as oromagi, but personally I find the stuff you post very cringey and annoying.
Like do you think you are clever to go to every single fucking debate about deserve or allow and go 'ooooh but what if they technically deserve or allow under my extreme redefinition'?
that's why it's important for Pro to have made it something like the 20k chars he did and why the 10k limit on DDO was crippling.
Don't need to support me but thanks, I am always ready to lose, it's what separates me from the other '1%' on this website itself ;) I've already dropped out of those rankings thanks to how readily I accept vs what you saw me at 2nd place when you joined the website, that's just how I roll. Picking solely easy and safe battles is pointless when this isn't my money on the line.
If we were getting paid for our rating, I'd of course be mimicking the other cowards or alternatively baiting them into high vs high clashes (and readily accepting like I did vs Misterchris)
The reason I don't accept vsing Oromagi is that he always picks topics that are slanted in Pro's favour, scientifically or based on evidence and cripples Con's ability to talk against him by spamming so many facts and bullet-point extensions that the accepter of the debate drowns.
I didn't come expecting an easy battle and this topic doesn't allow either side to sit back and play defensive so I will not do so.
The topic is such nonsense not because of the unfair start they have alone, rather it's due to the way that wealth is able to snowball itself by simply hiring expert stockbrokers, accountants, sublet managers of businesses so on and so forth.
What I mean is that when you are rich enough, you stay rich unless you're a moron, which is also what Pro is trying to agree with and will end up Pro's downfall when we analyse how difficult it is to become rich in the first place vs how easy it is to stay rich while already rich.
An average person has to do their own household chores, a rich person does absolutely 0 of them, imagine the energy and time alone for that.
It is also hard to come up with lines that may not accidentally 'plagiarise' if I go for generic stuff that rhymes for the sake of it, I don't doubt another rapper or random article will have said what I say if I structure it normally.
The fifth line of my Round 2 is meant to have a pause after the question mark before chopping (means rapidly delivering) the remainder with a tiny pause at the comma.
I didn't say the others are not, it's Con saying that only the non-aggressive are authentic, your RFD is flawed but it's fine, the character limit really inhibited my ability to reveal how many quotes support it.
Please put in your description that the Hadith and Sunnah are allowed to be used as authentic Islamic scripture, since we both know that the Qur'an doesn't overtly say sexist things beyond the 'striking' line.
Let us see if bigfoot itself is bullshit or the claim bigfoot exists is bullshit.
Hmmmmmmmmm
Let us vote at some point.
Exists as an idea, that is interesting
Let us see if bigfoot itself is bullshit or the claim bigfoot exists is bullshit.
Hmmmmmmmmm
Let us vote at some point.
That is definitely a good idea
What the fuck was the 40 years and natural causes remark about?
I am reporting that comment, seems a disgusting kind of mockery and death threat after trying to mock me because you pride yourself on being a sexist.
It is fine by me, patience and hesitation are signs of respect for the opponent, contrary to popular belief.
I can reply rapidly to a low skilled opponent.
Lovely, good to know.
Racism and sexism are frowned upon, avoid too much lgbtphobia too but that has been part of rap culture in dissing so it is a grey area.
Sexism is central to Islamic and Sharia values. They refuse to aim for equality between the sexes (no point saying genders, they are anti-trans).
It is stolen from the democratic people voting actually. :)
You just got semantically bodied, troll.
"You can't steal an election, it will always be there."
As a citizen of China, I must say you're one of the only people on the website who could make that statement sound more ironic and off-topic than it already is.
No, you were not being kind at all. I know/knew a person or two with Down's and they are not idiots.
Idiots tend to be people too lazy to use their brain well, which was why I said brain chemistry, as opposed to those struggling to the best of their ability every day and being actively alert and as useful as they can be.
Do not fucking misquote me and tell me it is a kindness.
then use the term idiot please thanks, I never said down's syndrome.
Why are you quoting me without context then? I can also find a harsh or silly quote of yours and ignore the context it was said in at a later point.
Brain chemistry isn't the same as neurological brain structure btw, chemistry refers to hormones.
I am not sure where I exactly said the quote Ehyeh is saying nor to I want to be associated with using the term 'retarded' with regards to people that are mentally challenged, tbh.
I don't know why I am being attributed to that at all.
Pantheism means multiple gods/demigods, you are mixing terms together btw.
I did not say it promotes lack of empathy, it promotes lack of any suffering mattering.
Actually narcissists can be very empathetic, modern usage of the term is too colloquial and fails to understand something about narcissists that are not sociopath or psychopathic.
psychopathy and narcissism are not the same thing.
your nation of UK actually participated as well and it was Blair's investigator that fabricated the signs of nuclear warheads in Iraq.
What's scary to think is that Hussein's Iraq was one of the most liberal Sharia nations in existence at the time, no that is not a cap/joke.
That is blatantly what is meant.
Hope you enjoyed my reason for voting.
Akhi, all is sorted, insha'allah, bless you.
Peaceful religion, walahi.
I ask to you is my RFD okay, yes or no
RFD part 1/2
If this had been a one-rounder, Id be voting Con but that is also why 1-Rounders are inherently unfair to the instigator/leader.
In Round One, Christianm is trying to take the high ground, being very classic, trying to turn what is on the profile against Con etc. His flow is more boom bap than what comes in Round 2 and reads jarred to me (except the tetanus part) but it is still very decent.
This stood out to me:
"You're a StarCraft addict who lives at home
Show us all your profile: "Income: Unknown"
Drop out of this fight and go upstairs to your mother
No wonder Zach put "Life's Priority: Other""
At that stanza, I knew this is not a dumbass rap battle, this is gonna have humour and proper bars. The thing I loved was that the punchline was the profile detail and the yo mama incest or no-life hardcore i sults were the buildups, this was seriously fucking subtle and clever.
That was all well and good but Con hits back, hard.
Round 1 from Con was just as sharp and more barbed with what was said, not to mention that Con utilises internal rhyming as good or better than Pro (which isn't easy, Pro kept slipping in things like 'to your mother' with 'rity other' that in rap format in a typical American accent would be 3 syllable rhymes.
Con has lines with rhyme scheme and harsh bars like:
"Don’t quit your day job, Mr. Self Employed
You just wanna get high on fentanyl like George Floyd,
You wanna legalize drugs, abolish all taxes,
Whine about the Jews putting microchips in vaxes."
That makes you feel the oof fuck at the Floyd line and sets a feral, vicious tone. Read it to yourself, notice the subtle internal rhyming 'bolish taxes' 'rochips vaxes'. Certain accents will slur abolish to sound like abowlish and that enables a rhyme with microchips that is 2 syllables.
Lize wise high
Subtle intonation increasing flow across a series of 3 lines.
However, I feel Con tried to diss too hard on Pro being Libertarian as in using that as a punchline itself and went for a horrorcore violent theme at the ending but kept it only to diss Pro's religion... which, if we notice he dissed Pro's age is kind of uncalled for but I was okay with how it went, I felt a lot of oof oof felt the punchlines being mean.
The problem is that Con's Round 2 is saturated in repeats of Round 1 vibes and disses whereas Pro completely flexed how versatile he is.
This changed so much for me.
Con had 2 shots are flipping Pro's lines against him and the best he offered in Round 2 was:
"Can’t take a bit of smearing of your little ideology?
Looks like I’m gettin’ all up in your psychology
Oh look, how original - a Hitler analogy!
No wonder you gotta cling to Bronze Age mythology"
But the Hitler joke Pro made actually was original, he sarcastically called Hitler a Libertarian to throw back the ignorance of associating a Libertarian with all conspiracy theories and antisemitism etc.
It is actually is original and clever the way Pro even parsed the verse, left you think wait what and double-taking as the bar sinks in:
"Think I hate Jews, but who was really scared of them?
That's right, Hitler: the famous Libertarian
Here's some advice, I think you should heed it
You like Orwell's classic? Then actually read it"
Really scared of them
Libertarian
Ignore ber vs lly
This was incredible flow and syllable sliding as well as internal rhyming
He took Con's disses and simultaneously pushed Con's ignorance claim back onto hum while actually dissing a nearly undissable aspect of Com's profile; how well-read he is.
Rather than call Con a nerd Pro disses it by stitching together a defensive sarcastic 'think before you diss' with 'did you even read 1984 if you are dissing Libertarians so hard?'
This links well with the following:
"Now that you been hit twice, maybe you can see
I'm doing liberalism how it used to be
Take off your six masks, can't hear one word you say
God can put you in Hell, but I did it today"
This is just defensive bars on defensive bars on defensive bars.
Six masks was a jibe back at the calling Pro an antivaxxer, Liberalism was a remark to the previous SAME stanza and even same bar itself (bar is 2 rhyming l8nes or an extended line) it is quality as fuck comeback material.
Con was sticking to a script of sorts and then went for the 'I fucked your mother'sort of typical badass gangsta vibe, the thing is, we need to look at the actual evolution here, not standalone bars.
RFD part 2/2
Pro frames Con as wasting his history major, being an all-round mooch/leech and htpocrite and out of nowhere in Round one comes up with this:
"Picture this, Phenenas; look into my retinas
I'll spit sick and stick you; infect you with tetanus
Just let this convince you, you want that acceptance
Depression will end you so start your repentance
I'll make history so you can write about it
And listen real closely, in case you ever doubt it
You read about icons; there's one that you can't cross
One day you can write the story of Zach's loss"
Which is nit that personal but is some of the sickest flow I saw all rap from Pro.
Actually read those lines makes you wince amd shake your head at how it comes off the tongue and lips. It is generic as Zach's later yo mama line so it doesn't net-harm my take of Pro vs Con
The thing is Pro starts like thar but then when given the chance to flip lines, his defense on defense R2 style comes in and he is actually funny, in my opinion. Serious wit comes out.
Con starts vicious but tries to recycle the 'haha Libertarian' angle by basically just saying Pro is Libertarian and it is dumb, he then disses Pro for whining in the comments section and yes it works but the most he evolves it into is word vomit which actually enables Pro's tetanus like to suddenly hold substance but fine, I do not need to be so literal...
I just do not 'feel' Con's R2 at all whereas Pro's R2 had me going wow that shit's clever.
Actually that favours Con in my eyes but I never base it solely on that and when it comes to flow, Pro's Round 2 is impeccable.
I believe you lost Round 1, however Round 2 is very up in the air and this whole thing comes down to a fine line.
Your meaning not matching my meaning doesnt lead to punishment for Con, it leads to a battle to convince the voter that our interpretation is more applicable.
Thanks for the vote but I think I had a lot more than rhyme schemes, such as how I turned their insults against them.
I understand if you couldn't care less what the norms or standards are here but continually debating a position in the comments looks like manipulation even if the person you're debating can't vote.
The formal debate is over, perhaps make forum threads if you want to keep debating it.
Then again, this is something other members have done back and forth relentlessly in debate comments too.
if possible please ask barney or whiteflame to remove your vote so you give all 7 points to the winner.
Sometimes int he past (yes this has happened before) other voters give more weight to their winner and unfair results happen.
Sit and read as debaters who aren't pricks about semantics try and have a genuine discourse.
LMAO! The only person pretending is you.
I'm sure you have people who find what you post fascinating, such as oromagi, but personally I find the stuff you post very cringey and annoying.
Like do you think you are clever to go to every single fucking debate about deserve or allow and go 'ooooh but what if they technically deserve or allow under my extreme redefinition'?
that's why it's important for Pro to have made it something like the 20k chars he did and why the 10k limit on DDO was crippling.
Don't need to support me but thanks, I am always ready to lose, it's what separates me from the other '1%' on this website itself ;) I've already dropped out of those rankings thanks to how readily I accept vs what you saw me at 2nd place when you joined the website, that's just how I roll. Picking solely easy and safe battles is pointless when this isn't my money on the line.
If we were getting paid for our rating, I'd of course be mimicking the other cowards or alternatively baiting them into high vs high clashes (and readily accepting like I did vs Misterchris)
The reason I don't accept vsing Oromagi is that he always picks topics that are slanted in Pro's favour, scientifically or based on evidence and cripples Con's ability to talk against him by spamming so many facts and bullet-point extensions that the accepter of the debate drowns.
I didn't come expecting an easy battle and this topic doesn't allow either side to sit back and play defensive so I will not do so.
The topic is such nonsense not because of the unfair start they have alone, rather it's due to the way that wealth is able to snowball itself by simply hiring expert stockbrokers, accountants, sublet managers of businesses so on and so forth.
What I mean is that when you are rich enough, you stay rich unless you're a moron, which is also what Pro is trying to agree with and will end up Pro's downfall when we analyse how difficult it is to become rich in the first place vs how easy it is to stay rich while already rich.
An average person has to do their own household chores, a rich person does absolutely 0 of them, imagine the energy and time alone for that.
You started berating me and winding me up months ago. Now you insult me further after voting what you think is a troll debate.
You want a war, be ready.
Lmao you want respect, learn to give it, you insolent hypocrite.
be sure to vote.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GhbkrOg9gA
This is a lot like the delivery during the parts you are describing to follow.
It is also hard to come up with lines that may not accidentally 'plagiarise' if I go for generic stuff that rhymes for the sake of it, I don't doubt another rapper or random article will have said what I say if I structure it normally.
I am aware and some have criticised it before.
The fifth line of my Round 2 is meant to have a pause after the question mark before chopping (means rapidly delivering) the remainder with a tiny pause at the comma.
Please fix this road near vulnerable people.
https://youtu.be/Te3_VlimRw0?t=16
most voters, including whiteflame do not respect or allow brand new stuff in final round.
Terrorism was a central part to Islam from its early days, whether by conquering and pillaging or hashashin style assassination.
I didn't say the others are not, it's Con saying that only the non-aggressive are authentic, your RFD is flawed but it's fine, the character limit really inhibited my ability to reveal how many quotes support it.
How do you define 'support'? I define it as enables and lays the groundwork for.
Please put in your description that the Hadith and Sunnah are allowed to be used as authentic Islamic scripture, since we both know that the Qur'an doesn't overtly say sexist things beyond the 'striking' line.