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@Mharman
I replied to you later specifying it again, asking you to elaborate.
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Page 3 - missed
both @ing you, both replied to by you.
Sure, you're 'town'.
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@Mharman
Wow. I did not even see that post. But why those two? How can I even trust that?
Neither did whiteflame. :)
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@That2User
I think the biggest slip ever is that Mharman and Whiteflame clearly got lost during their mafia chat and forgot I'd outed with a clear on Earth, there is absolutley no way they had the same slip this close to each other without outside communication, I would believe. Do you notice how Mharman hasn't said shit to me since that slip to justify it?
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@That2User
That would look very scummy but I also realise why it could be anti-town for me to demand you to further explain your bluff when you did it (noticing that jailkeeper, role reverse x2 and your type of claimed role is too OP for town).
I do stand by what I did, however, I also stand by absolutely forcing this lynch. I believe the team is boxing and sambo at this point and that this is just Supadudz's town game with severe irl busy-ness.
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WION is solid as fuck News, only really biased when it comes to reporting on India vs Pakistan type matters. They talk about the whole world regularly, they exposed Pfizer for blackmailing countries and are an absolutely fantastic News source to represent south Asia to the world. It is appalling to me that this was cancelled for something controversial that was said and I am so happy that within 12 hours YT caved in and did the right thing.
Something like FB and Twitter would never have thought twice about keeping them banned. I respect Google no matter what other conspiracy theorists tell mea bout them. Google/YT do engage in cancel culture but I feel it's a much more 'open to negotiation' one. I've seen other examples of this before, such as a channel about children with special needs that kept stopping comments 'just in case' of abuse for almost 2 years until a few months ago where they admitted it was unfair to stop because they're muzzling all the supportive comments.
The channel for the special needs people is this (warning to judgemental pricks, it has people with very unusual facial and bodily conditions and/or mental disabilities on it.
^ the cancelling, over 3 years ago
^ celebrating the long-overdue de-censoring.
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@That2User
Can I ask you why you guaranteed that Earth wouldn't die when you outed? I understand the bluffing idea but you do realise all scum had to do if they had a roleblocker was roleblock you and kill Earth to frame you, right? This is assuming that today ended in a NL, that I died and that after that Earth died with you alive after whiteflame was lynched.
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@ILikePie5
If America were founded on the 2nd amendment, literally, they'd have given the Native Americans guns and the black slaves not only guns but money to battle their oppression with.
Nice try though.
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@ILikePie5
And in this civil war, whose side is fuelled by pride and anger and which side is the rational one seeking the best solution?
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I need to see Whiteflame's flip to properly assess what the theme split is.
The thing is Supadudz cares less about games when he's scum (literally analyse other games, he's more casual and 'idgaf' when scum) but here when he does type he seems to really be reading, like for real and saying some such out of left field things it seems it's his own thinking and not concocted because it's so absurd to be feigned.
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@That2User
Okay That2, I am really sorry. I would never have considered it a damn debate that your role is legit if I knew there was vanilla clash.
Sambo vs Capoiera... hmm. Sambo involves disarming more than Caopiera does by far. Capoiera and Boxing are both aggressive and involve tricking the opponent but Kung Fu and Muay Thai involve a shit ton of feigns and reaction-baits and Sambo is similar.
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Wait OMG
I totally skimread that, sorry. I read that he was in Daytona with friends and just ignored the next line that's really my bad.
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Sambo - roleblocker (x1? didn't use n1 to play conservative? who knows)
Boxing - strongman x1
Kung Fu - Justice
Judo- Tracker (limit to tracks? not claimed but he is clear so I don't want him to claim that)
Karate - some variant of BP
Supadudz's martial art and role yet to be claimed.
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There is not one damn reason Mharman would be pushing for NL still at this point if he isn't scared of an autowin ending.
Actually I take back what I said. Sambo is roleblocker, Whiteflame is strongman, there is no ninja and they want to roleblock me and kill Earth to then sac Whiteflame and kill me, I will have no investigation results to speak of and they will have more chaos to work with as Supadudz is a lurking loser.
That is it. the team is definite and I'm fed up.
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@Mharman
You won't hold out, you want to win. It's optimal to bus. The only reason you're holding out bussing here and now is you are leaking that you lack a roleblocker and I am starting to think that actually he is the ninja and you are the strongman which somewhat works as a combo even though boxing as a strongman makes more sense, sambo as ninja makes very little sense.
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This is extremely interesting btw.
Both Mharman and Whiteflame didn't catch onto that I have cleared Earth.
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@Mharman
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Supadudz has been a complete sandbag to Town if he is Town, you are literally refusing to realise all the ways whiteflame is scummy just because he claimed cop and That2, if scum, is the most cooperative player left in the game (yes, even more cooperative than Earth and idk if they're more cooperative than me or not, that's not something a person can determine about themselves).
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@Mharman
If you are Town here and want to bet the whole game on some sleazy bandwagon hope day one 'for the lack of better option' in your eyes and day 2 base your leanings and actions on 'but they claimed cop and mafia would never ever claim cop even when they know who and what the town alignment checking role is' I don't mind losing with you.
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@Mharman
You are literally OMGUSing me as in the only reason you have flipped to scumread me is that I scumread you. I am pretty ok with it because I am becoming more sure that the team is whiteflame and yourself at this point.
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@Incel-chud
I need some evidence of this, I've heard and read the complete opposite.
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@ILikePie5
Sure let’s talk about guns. There have been studies that defensive gun use incidents range from 500,000 to 1.2 million annually. Gun deaths range from 30-35,000 annually. Most of those are suicide, which is a mental health problem. Second most is gang/cartel violence. I support Law and Order (something a lot of people on the left don’t support). Third comes accidental gun deaths. Towards the bottom is mass shootings. Banning guns is illogical since greater than 10x as many lives are saved/crimes prevented by gun uses than deaths.
Let's rewind a little. Firstly, how much do you know about the nations that have successfully cut extremely down on guns to the point that they are like severe anomaly in the crime world?
I can name some.
UK, Japan, South Korea (ignore what you saw in Squid Game, that is just ridiculous in terms of them easily getting hold of guns in South Korea), Australia and NZ (yes, I know there was an incident, UK also had one in plymouth) to name the most significant ones.
The nations have truly cut down on guns, I'd say German is very close behind, the issue is with hunting license leniency at most.
Do you truly believe guns can't be controlled through effective sting operations, anti-gun campaigns and incentives for snitching as well as temporary amnesty perhaps if one hands in all their firearms and even the government buying the firearms from them as a potential burst solution, which helped in Australia's original crackdown?
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@whiteflame
You're just making up your thought process as you go along.
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@whiteflame
No, the real reason you should absolutely believe I am scum is that the tracker claim is cleared by me. That's why you're slipping if you firmly believe there are only 2 investivative PRs and you are one of them.
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@That2User
Why is my thinking townier than Mhar?
Mharman's behaviour comes across to me as really shady actually but I kept my mouth shut about that because he assumed I voted him for anger reasons this DP whereas it was intentionally just a 'fuck you' to see how he'd react but also a secret scumread on him for something I found odd AF.
On DP1, I am pretty sure it was Mharman specifically that defended ComputerNerd first, saying the same thing I did later; CN trying harder this game totally fits what a noob as Town would do after feeling they did really bad before and quitting.
He then proceeded to not at all justify his vote on CN over Incel-Chud. He just did it and said he felt like the vote on IC wasn't happening and that therefore it was cool to vote CN.
Then, today, his instinct was inaction in the face of murky waters, as opposed to lynching. This is such a contrast to his under-pressure reaction DP1 when he voted way before he needed to, even if he had to sleep he could have woken up several hours later to see if he had to vote or what was viable if that was his concern.
The way he keeps pushing for Town to opt for inaction today, screams scum to me especially as he pushes harder on it the more that Whiteflame appears in danger but was more chill about it and openminded when it wasn't sure Whiteflame was losing this CC nor the crediblity I had.
Another reason behind it is I think this was balanced as what Lunatic sees as a non-bastard all-PR game. It does make sense to not have a vanilla actually, despite what you just said to whiteflame, if Mafia were essentially able to cut through abilities quite a bit (except mine unless they have a roleblocker).
This is also why I outed ASAP day one, I ran through many combinations (I am very intelligent just trust me I can do that) in my head quickly to figure out how I'd have that role and it would be considered balanced. This made me realise that the balancing either totally renders my role pretty pathetic (like Earth's if there's a ninja) or I am just not nerfed and instead this is probably a setup with a tonne of utility and protection interactions where I'm a lone or duo investigator with another type that's the nerfed one. That's why I knew I had to out, on top of thinking I had a serious clue as to the theme split.
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@That2User
Do you think Day Phase one that I claim an alignment checking PR role and he doesn't CC me there and then?This is missing a few words
Do you think Day Phase one AS REAL COP that I claim an alignment checking PR role and he doesn't CC me there and then?
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@That2User
Do you think Day Phase one that I claim an alignment checking PR role and he doesn't CC me there and then?
If you are Town, please explain, if you are his partner still explain.
You will notice that almost all of my replies and questions have probed thought processes today, your thinking process is townier than Mharman's is. Mharman's seems concocted. As for Supadudz... Let's avoid an insult...
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@whiteflame
I do not think that there are 3 investigational roles in this game, and I buy Earth’s claim over RM’s, so I think he’s scum, even though he behaviorally comes off as townie. I said that much earlier.
Major slip, not because it's not correct to do but because you are even saying you're thinking about it.
You should 100% know that I am scum if you were real cop, the reason is that you would have caught and read that we clarified (by me asking Lunatic) that Godfather, framer, lawyer etc do not work on me under his hosting mechanics, as a parity cop (I am called Justice but my role is parity cop in OG mafia terminology).
You therefore should 100% know that I am the scum if you believe there are not 3 PRs.
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@Mharman
Here are the worst case scenarios and my airtight logic:
- Mafia has a role that can vote with extra power at one point in the game (meaning this is lylo)
- Mafia has a ninja, which means instead of killing Earth, all they need to do is kill me (I reckon NP1 they used Strongman, fearing all sorts of protective powers and left me alive hoping to cc me with relative ease, since that is instantly what WF did and when he did so he even said 5v2 showing he barely read the OP and it was preplanned as he hadn't clocked it was 4v2).
- No offense but based on past performance, Earth doesn't hammer or cut through themes and reading as well as I do, there is no humble way to say it. I want to be the hardcarry hammer, over Earth. Even if we remove people from the equation, if we kill Whiteflame, he's either strongman or ninja blatantly due to what a 'KO punch' is in terms of power and speed, based on what he is, it will be telling who dies. If the remaining person is not ninja, then if Earth tracks the other and they don't visit, they're lucky but if not they lose, however they're absolutely blackmailed to kill me because of how OP my power is in endgames.
- The scum has a roleblocker, rendering this not only useless but enabling all sorts of fakeclaim of being roleblocked or not roleblocked and a redirector or something really skewing what goes on the next NP and making the real investigative role look scummier.
- I CAN WIN (probablistically ) NOW BY FORCING THIS. There is only contingent worries on the other side of a NL and zero gain, absolutley fucking zero for me individually/selfishly/egotistically and Town from my selfless perspective too. There is every single reasonf or me to force this aggressively and zero, absolutely zero, reason for me to lay off whiteflame. Boxing does not fit the theme at all, no possible theme can work with Boxing as Town here and cop and parity cop? With clear tracker on top? That's bastard modding.
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@Vader
WTF kind of reasoning is that.
Also claim immediatley FULL CLAIM IMMEDIATELY
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Ninja and Strongman combo has no reason to NL, it doesn't do a single beneficial thing more than me forcing the whiteflame lynch here and then proceeding.
Think. Reason it. There is zero gain and only a potential loss if they have instead got a roleblocker or redirector.
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@Mharman
If Earth dies and RM gets roleblocked, then Whiteflame can be lynched anyways since a scum team (as I've already covered in the second paragraph of this post) would not leave him alive if Whiteflame is really a town cop, so then we would conclude Whiteflame is scum.
Sure, and then? how did this help anything vs lynching him today, from my perspective?
Lynching him today is the only way that Scum can utilise a roleblocker effectively enough to enable a cruise.
Also, The vanilla is probably Supadudz, not you, given his inactivity and the fact the NP ended. Yes, I just hinted at both the martial art BJJ and that he'd be 'vanilla-esque' or at least lacking night action before he outed.
Yes, that seems scummy but I am not stupid enough for that to be a towntell or scumtell for me, I'd never ever out that only as scum, I consistently out theories like this in games in the past and already know you will say it's sketchy I'm doing it.
I want 100% openness, 0hidden because I don't need to hide or slant a thing. I have a 100% clear tracker, we lynch the fake cop.
You know why I think you claimed vanilla? Ninja doesn't visit.
Ninja counters tracker and strongman counters literally every protective role because strong man doesn't only cut through doc-type protection, I know from: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Strongman#:~:text=Strongman%20is%20a%20role%20modifier,protective%20roles%2C%20nor%20by%20Roleblocks. and experience in Mafia, it cuts through everything.
It is like Camille's Ultimate move in league of legends, which traps the other person 100% no matter what regardless of all other game mechanics but instead of trapping, strongman kills.
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@Mharman
Nope, a NL only helps mafia if they have a redirector or some kind of tricking/roleblocking role of ANY kind.
Let me justify why at this point I absolutely have zero pro-town reason to accept a NL.
A NL with a 100% clear, Earth, from my perspective does NOT achieve shit. Earth will die (because if I die, Earth is clear) and then the game proceeds as follows:
The cc between me and whiteflame intensifies, enabling him much more room to manipulate the desperation and panic by pointing out how Supa has been laidback and knowing that mharman doubts and isn't quite sure he is scum (if he isn't his partner and this isn't feigned) which increases the odds that under such pressure it fucks Town over as Supa turns up and begins interacting under severe pressure, which in the past he has made dumb af decisions other and if he is scum, it doesn't help a thing because the pressure on WF vs me completely lets him lay back until the threeway regardless.
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I just thought of a theme.
This theme instantly makes Sambo and Boxing implicated together.
If the theme is that the martial art is not specifically designed to vs itself primarily but as a self-defense inclusively against other types of fighter, then Boxing and Sambo really fit the theme as scum.
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Oh, they also fit into the physical vs mental theme (both physical) and into offensive vs defensive theme (both offensive though Muay thai certainly has defensive maneuvres).
The point is that in terms of themes that can be here (given the three dead Townies and the fact I know Earth as Judo is Town along with me as Kung Fu), boxing cannot fit any theme and really should be on the opposite side of Muay Thai to have any real 'clash' or types based on whatever cryptic theme there is.
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they make perfect counterparts.The only theme they both fit into is a strike-only theme or a knockout-focused team.
Sorry, MT isn't strike-only I meant strike-heavy.
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@Lunatic
Please force Supadudz to be active or replace him out and extend the DP length if need be.
I know you said no questions during DP but I really want to just stress that Supadudz being inactive is unfair on whoever's side he's on and I don't want to win with or against a total inact, I'm happy to carry him if he's Town with me but at this point he really needs to be here even as Town, to hammer the 4v2.
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Boxing and Muay Thai (thai Boxing) being on the same side is also absurd.
they make perfect counterparts.
The only theme they both fit into is a strike-only theme or a knockout-focused team.
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Boxing and Muay Thai (thai Boxing) being on the same side is also absurd.
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@That2User
Boxing is all about knocking out an opponent before they can react.
Kung Fu is not about insta KO like that, it's about gradual leading up to KO. Boxing is all about blindsiding and bypassing defense.
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@That2User
Wylted had suspected Mharman's behaviour D1, he merely suspected ComputerNerd more.
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@That2User
I don't think Wylted jailed the strongman, I think Wylted jailed either a roleblocker or redirector.
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@That2User
Based on your role's hint and thematic analysis, it makes only sense that boxing with insta KO could be the strongman able to penetration protection like that.
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@That2User
Oh that is totally simple, if it isn't muay thai (it isn't, Pie died) it's Boxing, 'knockout'.
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