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Also. by sheer elimination unless whiteflame is BJJ and decided to fakeclaim boxing, Supa has to be BJJ just because of how big it is in MMA and the fact nobody else is.

So, I encourage us strongly to analyse them based on that.

He wouldn't be Krav Maga over BJJ because of just I am so sure BJJ would be in the game.
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@That2User
Unless there's lawyer or godfather (the latter doesn't really fit this theme at all because the most deceptive martial art is ninjutsu and that is going to be ninja) if you think whiteflame is town, mharman is innocent and you are saying the team is definitely me with either earth or supa.

You understand that, yes? Mharman cannot be scum if whiteflame is, at least in initial analysis, due to his 'cop report'
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this absolutely 100% needs to be WF vs me
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@Mharman
Dude WF is scum or I am, I guarantee you that. I bet the whole game on it and will not rethink it no matter what.
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@Mharman
That2 bluffed. That2 is claiming to be something like a bulletproof or whatever and I am outing this not to help scum but because we need to drop any softing anything and hardcore analyse.

Self-defense is what That2 clarified.
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@Mharman
No it won't because if I were Scum, I definitely wouldn't kill WF here, I openly admit that and it's not scummy for me to think or say that.
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@Mharman
Wrestling and Sambo both don't fit it, but yes kung fu and Karate fit a KO Town theme.

That said, let's completely ignore theme for a second and analyse role balance. 

Why on earth would Cop and Justice (themed name Lunatic gave parity cop) both be in town if on top of that a tracker is there?

That is so unfair on scum and plus the team it leaves is you, That2 and perhaps Supa (the latter I really doubt is scum due to how rushed the NP was).
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@Mharman
Yes WF and partner's plan.
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@Mharman
You are either dumbtelling or scumtelling.

Earth on me followed by me getting roleblocked or redirected is terrible af for me and I reckon this is the plan. I believe that Wylted roleblocked the most powerful scum.
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@Mharman
Incapacitate in this context means reducing the opponent's ability to flex/utilise their own martial art such as  awrestler being on top and trapping tjeir limbs or the grabbing and trapping of a leg in kung fu followed by offense combining with it.

Knockouts cannot be the theme, wrestlers dont go for KOs
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@thett3
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@thett3
You've clearly never been to Russia or some very conservative place. That said, your lovely US and similar democracies have subtle, systematic cancel culture from the right-wing but again, it's often done by switch and bait with provoking the left to retaliate and then going 'you are the oppressors'.
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@That2User
No, we vote him because he is scum and yes his PM will help immensely with pinpointing the further scum via theme split.
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@That2User
There is absolutely no coherent theme split that lets boxing be Town with the others that are Town and known to me to be Town.
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@That2User
I literally listed it.
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I falsely thought about how it results in Earth and me being together, instead only Earth's partner has to be me in the hypothetical.
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I just messed up some logic I am Town, my brain got confused


If Mha is Town, to That2, my partner does not need to be Earth. That's my bad.
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Wait no it goes back to ancient greece, I take back the American
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@That2User
Boxing is:

  1. Strike-only
  2. Offense heavy
  3. Proactive, not reactive
  4. Punching/arms only
  5. American/Western in origin
  6. Relies on knockouts, not submission, to win
None of the others (put together with each other) of the three dead, Judo and Kung fu enable boxing to work.

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@That2User
Please do not do this.

It is whiteflame vs me. Please.

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If you think Mha* is Town
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@That2User
If you thinkha is Town, the team has to be me amd Earth or Whiteflame and Supa, neither team makes sense for me, Supa does need to claim though.

The theme split easily renders Sambo as scum. The problem is Karate and Sambo are similar in that they are offensively defensive, like Muay Thai.
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@That2User
Aikido's role was semi protective in a severe way but I guess it is utility not protection, on balance.

I would however question Jailkeeper, Role Reverser (literally can kill a killer without targetting them) and a further protective role are in the game.

Explain which role you are.
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@That2User
Who were you protecting on NP1
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@That2User
Why tf would Earth die? I will die unless this ends in NL in which case nobody will die (and you if you are mafia can arrange who dies anyway).
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@Earth
Well I know you are town because of my report but in my opinion Lunatic really worded the PMs too cryptic to have ever cracked the theme until at least 2 Townies were already dead.
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@Incel-chud
Meanwhile your average conservative would do an analysis to see what policies would actually help the poor as opposed to the reaction that merely feels good. 
Never ever seen this happen ever but ok. Reagan was the worst President other than Nixon for the poor.
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@Earth
How did Lunatic introduce your Martial Art before explaining the reason for role

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Supa is Town no matter what because the theme split makes no sense at all if both Sambo and Karate are Town, there is no theme that makes sense.
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The team is Whiteflame and one of Karate or Sambo, I genuinely am not so sure which but Mharman grilled me well throughout the game.

That2User has been very reserved to the point of nearly zero real contribution beyond quotes, claiming fast and voting with me DP1.
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Sambo is also fundamentally about patiently (but admittedly proactively) exploiting mistakes of the opponent, whereas Karate involves forcing wins through deadly combos.

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One thing I notice is that Sambo is irrefutably a defensive martial art on balance, whereas I am perplexed as to why the word defense is used in the PM for Karate, yet it is not a protective role?
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If muay thai wasnt town, I would heavily consider karate to be scum btw because I would assume it was defensive vs offensive.

I am very torn as I do not  personally think that Karate is that defensive for a martial art at all, it is possible that Karate and Boxing being offensive was made clear in their PMs and whiteflame and That2User cracked the theme fast, leading to That2 working out how to claim.the real martial art in an extremely Towny way for later on.

That said, the way Sambo's link to vanilla is described is so odd.
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@Earth
They dont track moves that much in Judo btw.

Anyway, can you explain how the PM went like the opening?
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@thett3
Cancel culture is done far more by the right-wing to progressives and minorities, the difference is they do not list the real cancelling reason as the public reason for the firing and spreading a bad word about the person.

They tactically isolate, career-ceiling and much more to people who don't blend into their beliefs and office social norms.

If they cannot fire, they bully them until they quit. I know examples of it, they all get brushed under the rug.
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@That2User
Can you explain how Lunatic talks about your role in the PM? Be as detailed as you can without directly quoting the line.
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@Earth
I just caught onto something.

The reasoning behind the role of Sambo being Vanilla, according to Mharman, is that only one specific named MMA guy does it.

The reasoning behind the role, even in Wylted's, where names get mentioned, is always about the martial art, never specific people.

The PM structure that That2User offered where the defense and blocking were explored in Karate, seems much more likely to be how the role vanilla gets justified, given the other PMs and even my own.
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I have felt that pain and understand it well. Things have not entirely improved yet but usually it is 2, not 1, now who vote per debate.
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@zedvictor4
Nyxified is a trans woman but yeah, she used the term.
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Fuck I am on phone I meant to PM this about a user to Ragnar. Luckily that user doesnt give a shit about this game.

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The while page if I could. 

He discusses 18+ stuff and is essentially harassing poly but if you read and dont realisehow offensive it is then we probably fundamentally diffee

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Wrestling definitely is about incapacitation and ruining the opponent's style working effectively.
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@Earth
That adds up (to my suggested theme) and even further implicates boxing but admittedly at this point that is confirmation bias on my part.

Judo, Aikido and Kung Fu all heavily rely on using the opponent's style and strength against them.

Muay Thai is a bit of a hot potato because while everything about it screams sheer offense, the way they go about things in Muay Thai is observant exploiting of mistakes by the opponent, which involves direct blocking, grappling and kneeing into a kicking leg etc.

It is ultimately reactive/disarming.

Sambo and Karate are both very murky but I do buy that Karate is defensive in Luna's eyes. There are styles of Karate that go more proactive and less reactive (not just Cobra Kai lol) but ultimately Karate is not about being mon-reactive at all.

They even train in Karate dojos to never flinch or overpredict moves, only observe and rapidly react (literally training to NOT flinch to repeated feigned strikes so qas to keep reflexes reactive and fluid and not predictive and in turn exploitable by baiting the flinch)
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@Mharman
My role is called Justice not Judge btw
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Makes*
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Since there is a tracker, a ninja males sense (and, no shit it probably will be ninjutsu or bpxing males sense as you dont see the punch coming).
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@Earth
You were correct, to my surprise I cannot be tricked by framing, lawyering or godfather.


This means Earth is 100% clear.
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@whiteflame
If you are town, (I am not really considering it but I am curious what you will reply)

What is the theme split?
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@whiteflame
I am sure anybody can see it is odd how you keep pandering to somebody you should be leading a lynch on or at least heavily suspecting if ypu were really the cop.

Instead, your entire series of interactions after I voted you are to make me feel insecure about my vote amd reasoning. This fits perfectly with your DP1 behaviour in fact.
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Btw there is an alternative split that still makes total sense.

Grappling being in the martial art makes it town.

Boxing and Karate is the team in that case. However, this would be such an easy-to-guess theme and have absolutely no PM structure indocation

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