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If you are voting Airmax and want an Axolotl profile pic, answer the following:
- Why Airmax?
- What kind of image do you want?
- What vibe?
- Cartoony or Realistic?
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@FLRW
You overestimate Hammer's legitimacy as a candidate.
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@Danielle
You are being really nasty about him and his wife for no real reason, there's much worse than Cruz out there and their attractiveness is irrelevant.
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@airmax1227
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@whiteflame
@Mikal
Observe above, if I disengage he will make more threads like this and talk more shit about me.
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@Lunatic
Funny, Mikal and whiteflame both have told me I'd much easier win this war if I didn't reply to you at all.
Different outlooks I guess, I tend to agree with you though. Why should I be too scared to reply to you?
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@Lunatic
Only one of us relies on grouping up.
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@Wylted
It's like assuming German and English is similar, just because they both have latin roots.
Ik this isn't relevant but contrary to what wars and rivalries would suggest, German is actually the most similar language to English in Europe (according to me). The way that sentences and paragraphs end up structured is like if you took English and just flipped around a little in terms of adjective placement and added some gendering of words to it.
France is the nearest nation to UK that doesn't speak English other than Ireland (with its Gaelic/Irish) and French is so, so different. So, if you were to compare, it would shock you how similar German actually is to English, they are very surprisingly similar to each other (in practise, not in theory).
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@ResurgetExFavilla
And people wonder why I can't just sit silent. There are lies being said about me.
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So, if I say "West is wrong" you don't find appropriate to say "Islam is wrong too"?
Not really, no. If the West is wrong in some way, that has to be addressed.
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Also, the difference between me and others here (except Lunar709 who actually will call Islam out) is that I can admit my fear, the rest are just as scared, it's why they're not posting here and just upvote your posts back at me because they haven't got shit to say out loud about Islam.
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I will not be saying any more on this. I will respect that they rule by fear and admit I fear.
Nothing at all is unrealistic about this fear. I know who I am messing with and don't want to say anything more as they really can harm me and potentially those close to me if I anger them too much.
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ISIS didn't attack in bangladesh, the government's enforcers who brutalise those that stand in the way of Islam did.
In many places internationally, they plot and wait for anyone bold enough to oppose them, whether it's an author of 'satanic verses' in Norway or some cartoonists in France and/or Denmark as well as in Britian or really any place at all on the planet that they have the ability to instil fear and attack you.
Islam has always ruled by this method, from the start through to now, Muhammad was a very sadistic leader no matter which part of the Hadith that's observed, it's just he would pretend not to be because he'd preach something about being merciful while Khalid and Muhammad's other enforcers did the dirty work for him.
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@Athias
I gave you the real basis, if you are going to pretend they aren't real, then you can get a block. I am tired of interacting with you and have other issues on this website right now than why I don't support muting everybody just because I block some from @ing me.
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What would be your own approach in response to me (hypothetically) posting threads about 'West is wrong' & 'Christianity is wrong'...? What is a good argument look like to you? What is it exactly you find objectionable about pointing out hypocrisy & incoherence?
I am not a Christian for starters, so your attack is mostly irrelevant, neither are most of those you debate against.
Christianity doesn't have lines like this though:
Those who said about their brothers while sitting [at home], "If they had obeyed us, they would not have been killed." Say, "Then prevent death from yourselves, if you should be truthful." And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead. Rather, they are alive with their Lord, receiving provision,
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What are your reasons? Honestly, at least to me, this sounds like an excuse to avoid actual debate.
Just some things to consider, as well as things like this:
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Do you know what I find amusing about your idea of 'genuine', your only comeback when one reveals horrors of your religion and Sharia cultures and the historical acts of them is to retort 'but your bullshit Christianity and the West'.
That's not defense, that's saying you see what they did wrong and know Islam did as wrong (if not worse). This is going to be precisely how this thread goes, I already know it and have interacted enough with you to know that.
I also have reasons to fear saying anything too negative about the faith of Islam due to what some adherents would do to me the moment they could if I were ever doxxed. That's not a baseless fear, I have lots of genuine reason to be afraid.
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@Lunatic
I would carry on with you in the same capacity if you would allow it. Even if we never were claimed friends, it doesn't mean we have to take it to a personal level every time the way you do. You are so eager to paint me as this evil guy because we have a dis-agreement on free speech and moderation, that you are incapable of talking me as if I am anything less than hitler.
Hilarious. You think I will forgive you now? After all the shit you said and did to me? You have fucked with me way beyond what's acceptable, broken site rules regularly in your abuse of me. I will patiently wait for others, especially the mods, to realise who is at fault between you and I. You've already done worse shit to me in 2 weeks than I did to the entire website in 3.5 years of me being here. The only reason the mods don't see it is I haven't yet laid it out to them post by post breaking down the rules you break and ways you insult, taunt and INSTIGATE yes you instigate against me where I react defensively and you frame me.
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@3RU7AL
If you are being specific to Lunatic and myself I am not going to get baited into instigating against him.
You just can't help but get personal when you run out of any real arguments.
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@3RU7AL
If you can still be banned, then your proposal is even less sensible than I originally thought. You have essentially resolved nothing then.
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@3RU7AL
Making posts all caps and/or bold doesn't at all increase the validity or strength of what you're saying, just so you're aware.
What you are doing is creating tyranny that isn't admitting what it is.
If you ban a user, have the honesty and integrity to ban them, if the user won't reform and obey the site rules, completely ban them do not pander to them. Rules are rules, obey or leave. I don't get what you mean with this 'we ban you but it's optional' dynamic because what it actually opens the door for is the mods to ban more (not less) readily and to justify it as pseudo-optional every time. Meanwhile, no user will be able to behave well and get out of their hellish imprisonment as the mods will say that they technically aren't banned.
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@3RU7AL
they would be visible to those who want to interact with themand invisible to those who do not specifically choose to interact with them
Why? Why should somebody who violates site rules be able to remain and be visible to others who opt-in while continuing to break site rules?
Furthermore, who would even know they exist to make them no longer invisible, if they sign up later on?
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@3RU7AL
Yes, an amendment you made post-suggestion but even with that how the hell can this user contact others to get them to opt-in to reading their posts?
Even worse, new users to the site won't even know that user exists.
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@3RU7AL
Okay and why would the mods want this user remaining but banned in some deceptive mindgame? Are they welcome in the community or not? Are they behaving in acceptable way or not? Which is it?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
No, I even went through the effort of proving I read every line of what you wrote and challenged them.
Be precise, which part of it disqualifies it as shadow-banning?
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@3RU7AL
You did that only afterwards.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Users A-C are put on a list by mods based on people the mods deem toxic to the community.
I will quote myself replying to this now:
Which they don't opt-in to and which stops all their posts and threads being visible to all others whether signed-up to the site or not unless they manually work out how to make these shadowbanned users visible to them.
Now, back to you:
Users A-C ARE NOT given a choice about whether to be part of the program because they are on the list.
Oh, you understood.
Users D-J ARE given a choice about whether to be part of the program because they are not on the list
Nope, they are automatically forced into it and the reason this has to be true and the definite default is that it is the only way it adds up to the shadowban having any efficacy at all especially as users that aren't signed up no longer can view the content of that user so it is consistent to opt-in others into it overnight.
Users D-F OPT IN to the program. They CANNOT see anything that users A-C say.
Nope, they only can opt-out, everyone is part of it as soon as his proposal goes through and the mods act on it. Nowhere in his closing proposal was it implied that others don't instantly overnight no longer see this user's content without directly being told about it and more importantly future users that sign up won't in any active way be consenting or aware of it. I am using 'he/him' pronouns as Athias keeps referring to 3RU7AL as a 'he' and nothing about it has arisen from 3RU7AL's posts.
Users G-J OPT OUT of the program. They CAN see everything that users A-C say.
I'll paste my reply to this:
If they even work out that there's been a subtle censorship going on behind their backs the entire time that banned an ENTIRE USER from interacting with them without their foreknowledge.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Users G-J OPT OUT of the list. They CAN see everything that users A-C say.
If they even work out that there's been a subtle censorship going on behind their backs the entire time that banned an ENTIRE USER from interacting with them without their foreknowledge.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Users D-F OPT IN to the list. They CANNOT see anything that users A-C say.
Wrong, everybody's defaulted in including people who aren't signed up to the website and can't opt-in.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Users A-C are put on a list by mods.
Which they don't opt-in to and which stops all their posts and threads being visible to all others whether signed-up to the site or not unless they manually work out how to make these shadowbanned users visible to them.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I don't like the idea, if it was put to a MEEP I would vote NO on it. I am not defending it in any way. That said, though I have my own criticisms of the idea that doesn't mean I won't point out when other people's criticisms are incorrect.
Nothing you said proves it isn't shadowbanning or how cunning the wording of 'optional' was when literally nobody on the website would opt-in to being shadowbanned.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Idk if it's a reading comprehension issue due to the bolding of a term 'optional' or what but nobody would opt-in to being shadowbanned.
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@Lunatic
We were never ever debating. Ever.
You were after me from day one of your return here most recently. You amped it up on the second day and have kept at it. The mods are fooled by you for now, thinking this is mutual and that I'm also instigating. I will show them the reality by completely ceasing to talk about you or to you until you or others bring you up.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Nope, read carefully:
the mods could make an OPTIONAL moderator-muted-list of users they deemed "inappropriate" so they would be invisible to the public and also invisible to all site members - UNLESS - site members un-checked the OPTIONAL moderator-muted-list
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@Lunatic
This is probably the only thread I have ever made in direct support of the mods, so telling me that I am a suck up is hilarious.
Let's see what you say in the past 1-2 days:
Thanks for your response whiteflame, I have nothing but respect for you.
I am not calling out ragnar just for the sake of calling him out, I have been dm'ing him on discord and talking about this professionally with him. There is no animosity between he and I, we go way back and I consider him a friend.
Same as above.
Standing by your request (I respectfully decline btw) doesn't address my point in the slightest.
Why not just say you totally decline and think his basis is flawed? You did the latter anyway.
I know you guys have the best intentions. I really do. I know moderation is not an easy job, and it's a pain in the ass. I am suggesting you use discretionary practice in rule enforcement as much as possible, because as ragnar just admitted in this thread, you guys have the ability to. No need for MEEP's or any of that bull crap. You guys can literally do it right now.
How do you know, not just know but 'really know' that they have the best intentions? This is all you sweet-talking them because you realised your brute-force ways weren't working on them.
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@Lunatic
I wonder who the 'good boys' tag is if it also says 'good mods' lol.
I never said you were a pushover, I'll agree with you on that. Instead, you are the polar opposite, a bully.
It's not like you're a sophisticated abuser either, you don't mix up your abuse, you just relentlessly aggress. So, all I have to do is not back down and you will keep at it, giving me more and more evidence of your harassment. I am not even that mad about the thread being unlocked, honestly, since it is true that with or without it being locked, you'd harass me just as much.
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@Lemming
Trace it back then, go back on Lunatic's posts and threads and do the same to me, you will find that the only trait I have that brought this onto me is not being a pushover.
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@Lemming
I thank you for being one of my only supporters other than polytheist-witch to talk publicly against this harasser.
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@Lunatic
Do it, let's try it out. Don't threaten me, do it. When you lose this war miserably, you will realise the reality.
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Also, it is intriguing your tags in this thread 'whose a good boy' aside from the terrible grammar is a tag that either humiliates the mods that obeyed you or is aimed at me.
'good boys' lol.
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@Lunatic
The difference between me violating site rules and you violating them when making call out threads, is that I will point out how the rules are fundamentally flawed to begin with, where you only like said rules when they work in your favor, and hate them when they don't. It shows that you don't actually stand for anything, except for the narcissistic nature of you.
What you see as narcissism is actually me obeying rules I disagree with, expecting them to be enforced equally on myself and users that target me.
It is the very opposite of narcissism. In fact, what is narcissistic is expecting rules to be lifted for one's egotistical belief that they're entitled to break them. Unfortunately, you have had your ego appeased for now and your narcissistic tendencies have been positively reinforced. It only lasts so long though.
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@Vader
Adults peer pressure too, which you will find out as you grow.
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@Lunatic
I mean I literally can prove and point out instances where you do it, you can't do that for me though lol.
Oh, I certainly can. I just don't play poker with my cards face-up. Keep trying your twisted mindgames, you have won in the short-term. I'm just sitting, waiting and collecting evidence of your harassment of me.
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@Vader
It didn't come from you. :)
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@Lunatic
When you finally decide to grow up and be a big boy, I will give you the respect of calling you your actual username again.
You will find it will be sooner than that, it's just a waiting game for me. Keep up the disrespect though, don't bother trying to be respectful and nice now.
You are the one who gaslights but I am done talking about a term you have no idea about.
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@Vader
I would not ban either you or Luna, and hell, I wouldn't even give a warning. I'm saying that administrations in the past would. Remember your whole fiasco with David and your 2 month ban.
I remember it better than you do. I was banned for far less abuse across 2 years than Lunatic has done in just under 2 weeks.
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@Vader
Yes, I know how peer pressure works. Thanks for your time.
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Bravo, you got away with directly violating site rules to harass a user that you mis-name to further humiliate him on top of the rest of what you do.
Keep sucking up to the mods and saying you 'respect' them so much until they cave in to your demands. It only lasts so long.
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@Vader
Do not speak for them then. Let them say that they do not think this thread is a call-out thread and that Lunatic is not harassing me.
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