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@whiteflame
I think the guild are the scumteam then? Maybe we are all against them. How can I know, I haven't watched fairy tail and I wouldn't make up being called Doranbalt instead of the full name if I were fake claiming. Why would I fakeclaim?
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@whiteflame
Why wouldn't he check his PM and how is ezra a day cop? Why did it take him so long to claim.the character? Why would a day cop want mass claim D1? Why isn't he lynching me?
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Hitchens went head to head with Dr. Craig in a debate.
@weakeredge
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I ONLY WILL HESITATE IF YOU AGREE FOURTROUBLE IS JESTER-TELLING!!!
then I will lynch coal instead no problem
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@FourTrouble
there would not be 2 cops in the same non-bastard setup of this size of just 10 players.
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Doranbalt used magic powers to investigate the council and ended up helping, those are the overall reasons/reason I was given for him being the cop.
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I character claims Doranbalt
Supadudz used that even though that's the character's alias, that is who I was given as my character claim.
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I countercliam fourttrouble, I am a normal night-based cop.
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We just need to put 6 votes on him. If he gets lynched and the DP ends he was scum. If it doesn’t then he’s role locked.
I am so sorry, I just understood his power. I thought his power was he had a vote that had double power as a 1x thing and it goes away if he's lynched (which implied to me there's a governor-type role that can stop a lynch otherwise how could he lose the power?)
Anyway, I now understand better what his power is, I agree to the confirming lynch.
Unvote Coal, VTL Misterchris
Now that I understand Chris' power I actually harder townread him than before, that role is unbelievably unfair to give to scum, because in an endgame lylo it's autowin for scum.
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@ILikePie5
That doesn't tell us anything... he has to force NL with his extra vote, don't you get it?
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Either everyone claims or we minimise the claims, that is my ethos, I don't see this as a good scenario to force the mass
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supadudz said this is not bastard, massclaim is only optimal in bastard type setups in my honest opinion
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@FourTrouble
NO no mass claim NONONONONONO very bad, trust me it favours scum 100%.
This is not a bastard setup, PRs will be brutal reveals for town, at best we force one CC and at best we get one down, now that other scum (and third party) or maybe 2 other scum (2 scum and a third party on top would be unbalanced for town's fairness in my opinion) it is not a good thing to force massclaim now, no way, wait until day 2 100%
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@oromagi
Only a fool doesn’t double check their flanks are secured. We all know it’s not affiliation indicative. The goal is to lock him into his role. Plus it only takes like 5 seconds to do
Please can you elaborate on this '5 seconds to do' concept? Is there a way to rush it that doesn't slam us into N1?
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@FourTrouble
MC is town for the instant out though and how he acts afterwards, in my opinion. As scum he'd be steamrolling his influence with the claim, trying to influence everyone. I don't read him as a subtle player and know this from more than just Mafia. I haven't played with him if I recall correctly but I've skimread some games.
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@FourTrouble
MC's role doesn't tell us anything about alignment. Stop wasting our time.
Funny, I said that on page 1 but who knows, I'm scum for suspecting there being a third party and being insulted that you thought you could read me so soon.
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@FourTrouble
I did townread Pie in that game, it goes wrong later on, that's not a scumslip from me as I really didn't reread those games before posting the links. I just remembered that about the poker game right now.
This DP is the best example of the dynamic
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Also to see an example of my scum play (I had very weak teammates, if you want a justification for my hard gambit):
See here:
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@FourTrouble
I haven't played on this site in 7 months, don't like mafia too much and the crowd can be toxic, I should only play when I got enough spare time and the right mindset.
This had no TP but this is a much better game to display the dynamic between Pie and me going very wrong when we're both Town:
I admit my general temperament is calmer now than vs then but that really doesn't mean much, feel free to read me based on logic I use vs then (I was already 'calmer' then vs my previous game).
Now I will show you a game where I was lynched Day 1 as town, you can say I played it shit if you wish to but please read the logic I use:
Read the 'game over chat' to know a secret third party read I had during D1 that I didn't reveal during it (because it would only help scum and the third party, not town, I wanted scum to accidentally kill the TP which I think happened, I don't fully remember the game):
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@FourTrouble
I'd be down for the WF bandwagon btw, if noone else scumreads Coal.
I agree completely with you about the pointlessness of forcing a NL with the test on MC (I am assuming the only way to test it that we'd agree to is bw on him -2 vs NL and if NL doesn't go through with 5 votes instead of 6, including his, then we hammer him instead).
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well TP is scum in a technical sense, when I say scum there I mean mafia
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I always hunt for third party if the mod doesn't rule them out, always. They are more dangerous than scum because they can hard towntell by certain moves at times.
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@FourTrouble
You don't know me well enough to know what I think as scum or town. I don't understand why you presume things about me but if you presume I think like a normal player then your reads will always be running on a faulty compass.
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@FourTrouble
My reads are:
Hard Town
Oromagi
Misterchris
Myself (at this point I would townread myself vs myself but i never understand what the point of 'yourself' is in read however I have been net-positive influence on activity so far).
Third Party or soft townread
You and maybe Pie (he never towntells effectively in most games and most day phases that I've seen him so I say 'soft') , both of you are contributing in ways that implies you want things to happen hard and fast yet the pressure you apply is 'machine gun' like as opposed to precise and explained well.
I have found that third party and town have similar tells day one for some users/types and both of you would come under that though idk enough about you specifically to tell.
Scum
Coal
Unreadable in a genuine sense
Whiteflame - all his contributions have been neutral fluff, pressureless and empty. I do think he's the type to always play day one neutral and safe though, therefore I don't understand how to read it, his actions will tell more.
Others who haven't contributed I of course can't give a verdict on.
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@FourTrouble
Nice instincts, better lead a bandwagon on me instead, whoever is easy to go for, just spam everyone to vote me like you did with Pie and it surely will happen (actually it might lol, people can be stupid).
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@coal
Yes, and your garbage is the extent of what you can offer, we are all limited in our own ways.
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@FourTrouble
I was insulted to be townread so early anyway, I am never obvious Day 1 regardless of alignment. ;)
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@FourTrouble
You could be lyncher on Pie, as blatant as that may seem. You also could be a Jester playing a very clever long-con if you townread Pie on the downlow.
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@coal
I understand you have not played with him before. Everything about what he's done here indicates he's town; both objectively, as to how he's moving the ball forward, and subjectively, as to how he's playing his town meta.
And you are building rapport with him to get him on your side, which is your scum meta. Actually, I don't know if you also do that as town to be fair but I am sure you do that as scum.
I read one of your games recently and you didn't do this particularly much with anyone D1 and you were town, I admit one game isn't much to go on especially as you 'switch it up' a lot.
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@FourTrouble
Pie is a very hard guy to read, I have hard scumread him when he is town before so I have learned to just not read him at all (behaviour-wise) and instead follow his actions. Who he votes and why are how to read him much more than anything he says, for me anyway.
Pie thinks in a way and logical framework that doesn't mesh well with my brain, I always scumread it every single game I played with him and learned my lesson when it was wrong twice in a row.
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@FourTrouble
you will like to see Pie are L-1 and not have him hammered? What is the point of saying that? How does that put pressure on him?
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@Vader
oromagi [1/6] coalcoal [1/6] whiteflameChris [2/6] Oromagi, Pie
This is incorrect, I am voting Coal.
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@oromagi
you realise this thread is what it is right?
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Stall the testing of MC's power please, we must talk more and get many reads, opportunities for subtle breadcrumbs, so on and so forth.
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Do not test, it is a total waste of his power and the day phase. First please let us talk a lot more. Mafia want a rushed day phase with minimal analysis of things from town's perspective. It also forces protective role(s) to be on MC tonight when really he's useless to town other than as a leader and no offence but he's not the most expert player to lead out of this cast, not saying that I am.
We gain barely anything from proving his role correct, which I would bet will happen as it would be a foolish out to bluff with.
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2. No roles will be given justifications relating to characters
This is 100% untrue for my role and character, anyone else?
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@Vader
This is not bastard mafia fyi
I just saw this right now, this makes more sense with MisterChris outing. I apologise.
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@MisterChris
Why did you out your character and role so instantly? I am just curious of the reason. For all you know Supadudz gave the same power to someone else and your 'proving' goes very wrong. This was listed as a bastard setup, Supadudz only said the theme isn't bastard, not that the roles aren't.
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Sorry, I forgot to say I townread Misterchris, he is practically confirmed as we can test his power anyway but I don't know if it's a town role to have 2 votes, I'm sure that could also be a scum role, it's definitely something both teams could have.
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Oromagi is town this game, when he opens aggressively, he is town, especially if he finds issue with the mod's lack of rules because Oromagi likes to read into how people pay attention to the OP later on.
Town
Oromagi
Scum
Coal
Nullread
Whiteflame and everyone else
I would objectively nullread myself so far as I haven't particularly told either way.
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VTL Coal
He knew that PMs are well thought out, he should only know his own PM. That is not a 'figure of speech' it is a freudian slip.
He also says 'let's not fuck it up' (unless the duck is some kind of breadcrumb but idk any ducks on this series off the top of my head).
"let's" is implying 'us' which is also what skilled mafia do when they keep talking 'we' instead of just 'town'. It's a way of appearing to leak towntells.
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