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@The_Meliorist
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@Wagyu
This is a satirical piece that is 100% left-wing supportive and loathes Trump. Read it.
Not one single thing Trump did for black people is in that, my link has actual official things Obama (and Biden) did for blacks while their ticket was the one in power.:
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Followed by good to the country.
Please. Read that article. Now laugh at yourself. Really though, read it, it may educate your Trump-worshipping mind.
Biden needs to word things better, especially with the third quote because what he actually meant wasn't racist. He meant that BLM and blacks in general support him and know he's the better option for them than Trump. I understand that he words things terribly and his first quote makes a very odd statement when it was meant to be complimenting Obama (I presume). I am not a Biden hardline supporter, I am just certain that he's better than Trump and not racist, instead he sees that blacks struggle and celebrates when exceptions occur (this is what he meant with the first quote, that Obama was mingling with people and talking with sophistication that most of his race haven't had the exposure to high class education in order to ever do). Biden words things poorly in certain quotes, that is for sure, but Trump and his wording? Are you defending Trump or attacking Biden?
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@Wagyu
Joe Biden:
Vice President under Obama
Selected Kamala Harris to be his Vice President while he is President
Has the full support of BLM, in terms of who to vote for in the 2020 election.
The reason most of the black people in that video didn't know what Obama had done for them, is that they quite literally didn't pay enough attention to it and took it for granted.
Here are official, irrefutable things, Obama and Biden did to help black people while their ticket was active:
Read it and come back to me on how you can even begin to compare it to Trump, until then you are damn fucking right I will 'oppose' the racism of Trump and contrast it with Biden's lack of it, any day. Biden just needs to watch the way he words things, that's about it.
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@Jasmine
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I am deeply happy that he is out of office and that his legacy is tainted for good. This is not me saying I believe there was any fraud. Fuck Trump and everything he ever stood for, sick of the motherfucker and his bigoted, psychotic cult of supporters to the utter hilt.
I don't 'dislike' him, I hate him, I loathe everything about him, from his angry, spiteful, spoilt-brat demeanour to his deeply disturbing narcissistic personality disorder and way he uses strategies Hitler used, to rise to power via preying on hatred towards certain ethnicities and creeds with his bullshit mutated version of populism, including trying to declare victory on an election regardless of the result. He is a racist who is only out for himself and would screw over anyone without a second thought.
If the system screwed him over, he deserves it infinitely.
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@3RU7AL
Are you including military and prison spending in your ad hoc "welfare state" calculation?
Well said. Not to mention how little effort the American Government has put into the implementation of public education.
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@3RU7AL
Basically, you are a gnostic theist in this scenario, yes.
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@Vader
I would get rid of unemployment benefits.
You clearly haven't thought through what it can do to families that depended on the unemployed former breadwinner, as well as individuals who need money to survive the next few days.
using their unemployment to purchase guns and drugs to kill people.
This is solvable, if you support surveillance, sting operations and using tax dollars to invest in the erradication of guns from society. You see, once guns are removed, thugs will find it much harder to enforce their drug empire as snitches become less terrified.
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@Greyparrot
Sorry but it is absolutely ludicrous to say one is either a Marxist or a Right-Wing variant. One can be a Left-Wing Social Democrat who advocates for Social Democracy. That position in itself, the fact it exists and many left-wingers reside within it on the spectrum, means that your linked video and the message portrayed within it is a loaded, deceptive narrative.
As for Marxism itself, it has some truth but I agree it's impractical. Marx accurately predicted the transitional cycles and way society progresses toward either wing. He was incorrect that communism/hard-socialism was the solution.
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@Vader
What do you 'identify' as then? A Centrist or a Libertarian?
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@3RU7AL
I am aware of the Milgram experiment and actually I am the type of guy who would literally say 'fuck this keep the money' and walk out of the experiment even threatening to report them to the police if they tried to stop me walking out.
That being said, I don't deny that most comply, nor do I see how that proves any point you've made. The movie is wrong, it has nothing to do with American society, the average human being is compliant to authority, it will always be the baseline because in the past people who weren't team players either were killed off or at least were isolated and didn't get a wife/husband to reproduce with and spread their seed. The is is why in all cultures, I am fairly certain that the majority would comply.
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@3RU7AL
A person can be very authoritarian on one issue and extremely anarchic/libertarian on another.Please explain.
What is your stance on businesses and the people who rank high in them?
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A 3 year old child is a complete failure in superficial achievements, this question lacks a lot of depth and pretends to be 'deep'. You have no clue what the failures still have to offer, nor what the scientist may have done that was unsavoury or will fail to do in the future.
This is not different to the original problem, the pulling of the lever makes you a killer whereas leaving it makes you a bystander. Whatever you choose and why is your own thing to justify in a court of law afterwards, it's your decision, stand by it but don't play the fool and say that a job title and superficial achievement is valid reason to pull a lever that you have no concrete guarantee will do what you're told it will do.
The correct answer to the trolley problem is that there is no definitely correct answer and there never will be.
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@3RU7AL
Do you still believe your "left" vs. "right" one-dimensional scale is better than the alternative (4 quadrant map)?
Lol. I see more dimensions, not less. I also understand that it's impractical to have a 20-scaled system of political belief differences when discussing which political stance one supports more or less than another. there's more than four, not less, and I also would like you to know that auth vs lib is not a genuine scale, instead auth vs lib in the political compass is an illusion and isn't a scale at all. A person can be very authoritarian on one issue and extremely anarchic/libertarian on another.
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@3RU7AL
You're not getting a result that matches your self-image because your position is incoherent.
No, you just can't comprehend it, there is a difference between coherence in your perception and the actual capacity to make coherent sense of it if one thought differently.
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@3RU7AL
Yes, and it would take one look at my devices to know I use a VPN, I am not ashamed? There are nations where it's illegal, those nations have very high privacy for the people in charge, do you now see how it works?
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@sadolite
That is fine, pick the one closer to your view, not the one you agree with.
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@Conway
or abridging the freedom of speech
this is a standalone point that is left vague and is indeed what most far-right interpret to be their freedom to spread hatred.
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@3RU7AL
Yes that is 100% my stance.
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@3RU7AL
I value personal privacy, I also am willing to surrender it if it comes down to reason to suspect me. I'm a reasonable guy in many respects and my views reflect that, across the board.
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@3RU7AL
Exactly.
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@3RU7AL
By the way, you think far too simplistic. I use a VPN nearly 24/7 for my general browsing and value privacy and protection against abusive governments more than you know. I know what is at stake and that often too much freedom allows a new bunch of thugs to violently overthrow and take reigns because they were 'free' to do so without enough obstacles in place to safeguard the people.
You think it's all so simple because you think 'freedom' isn't self-defeating at any times.
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@3RU7AL
Political Compass gives me a libertarian stance even when I answer 100% honest without 'tweaking' based on stats.
So, if you consider me authoritarian, take it up with the quiz.
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@3RU7AL
Depends how violent and dangerous the so called 'protest' as opposed to 'riot' or 'insurrection' is.
I value safety above freedom if we take it to the extreme, without question.
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@3RU7AL
Depends on the issue. It definitely ranked me far more anti-authoritarian than my actual stance.
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@3RU7AL
Not only me, many people from both wings and all four quadrants have complained about the quiz being extremely overrated, considering how flawed it is.
You even proved that in your eyes there's only one correct answer to a type of question they ask.
You're entitled to make another repeat thread of political compass results, which has been done before even on this website itself, twice or three times and gotten the same complaints each time.
You don't need to turn this thread into an advertisement for your favorite quiz.
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@3RU7AL
I have, multiple times. I understand what it's ranking based on so I know how to get the result I want.
One of the dumbest questions on it is 'If corporations serve the interests of humanity, it is in our best interest to enable them' or something like that. The answer is always strongly agree if we take the 'if' question to genuinely be 'if'. The fact it uses belief in astrology to determine alignment, among other arbitrary things like attitude towards pornography which is a very oddly put question as well as 'respecting privacy of all consenting adults behind closed doors' which could be doing heinous things such as building a terrible device or planning a very devastating coup, not just having BDSM sex, is a sign of a very flawed quiz/test. A lot of the questions are terribly one-answer-is-always-correct based on literal interpretation, while others require a neutral response and there is no neutral answer option.
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@3RU7AL
Political compass is a superficial test that ignores reasoning behind values and focuses only on chosen values in ultimatums that don't represent real situations.
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@Trent0405
Welcome to the left wing. :)
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@Soluminsanis
Why wouldn't he/she/they do so? God is not necessarily the histrionic narcissist that the Abrahamic religions make 'him' out to be.
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@Greyparrot
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@janesix
The Art of Power
by Thich Nhat Hanh
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What if god directly contacted you and proved they were god but told you that the only way you can stay in touch and experience your privileges (which may include getting into the heaven) is if you never talked about the god to others and kept it a secret, perhaps even masquerading as an atheist or at least agnostic?
Would you lie to everyone you knew?
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@Barney
Little? I would rather not spend one fucking second PMing your fake backstabbing ass, spelling out why what I report violates the CoC you should know. I'd rather click a flag.
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@Greyparrot
Can you give a single real world example of it? I can give plenty but you'd say they're all wrong.
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@Vader
I still firmly see you as a core conservative on that scale, who maybe is transitioning. After all, Core Conservatives supported the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. They are moderately isolationist and tend to sit back and be neutral when the country-first Convervatives want to aggress hard or isolate (country first are bipolar with the issue, it depends).
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@Vader
I would say this, in a positive light:
You were a very right-wing Conservative who now identifies as a right-wing Libertarian who is skeptical of fully 'Liberating' everything in such an extreme sense as the AnCaps would want.
You are heading in the right direction, as long as you keep heading in that direction. If you stop where you are at, that's the issue.
I also was Centrist at your age and went through transitions myself (actually my transition was a yo-yo, I went left-wing to centrist back to left wing).
I used to almost be a Socialist, then at your age and a little after it, I was a Centrist. I won't specify which age but basically I swung back to left wing, this time as a pragmatic Social Democrat who understands that Socialism is flawed.
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@Vader
Core Conservatives support Flat Tax and are moderately isolationist in the way you described your stance.
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@Vader
Almost all African and South American nations that aren't Socialist, are in fact right-wing Libertarian nations that turned ugly and corrupt due to what the system enables for the rich.
South Africa is an exception and is genuine right-wing Conservatism in a sense.
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@Vader
What was your quiz result?
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@Vader
Yes because corporations themselves have no power in dictating the laws of the people. Government has that power and at any moment can overthrow us if they obtain enough power. I ultimately trust corporation more than the government because ultimately I believe corporations work more for the people than government does
Aside from the fact this is untrue even in current politics, if we take a genuine right-wing libertarian nation, it is in fact because no rules are in place that corporations dictate everything via company policies and agendas since the poor can't in any way fight back.
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@MisterChris
Glad you liked it, the second link is a great read, many pages long.
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@ethang5
It was loaded but not at all bogus.
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@Greyparrot
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@3RU7AL
This may interest you.
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@Sum1hugme
To begin with, at a core fundamental level, saying they support freedom for all when really they want the rich to oppress the masses (with unrelinquished 'freedom' to do so).
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The entire CoC section of voting should read as follows:
As long as we believe that you have semi-decent IQ, paid at least 60% attention to the debate and that you're not deeply in love or hate with one of the debaters, we will allow your vote as long as members don't call you super biased. If members call you super biased in spite of you not meeting out vote-removal criteria, we'll remove it anyways, soz bruh.
Thanks for your concern.
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Note: You can remain neutral on a question by clicking 'Next' without answering it, I recommend not doing so if you do lean either way. I did this for a question and retook the quiz after realising it was possible, I got the same result though.
My best fit is...
Solid Liberalsalong with 16% of the public.Highly educated and politically engaged, Solid Liberals hold consistently liberal values. They back a robust role for government and are strong advocates of the social safety net. Large majorities view the current economic system as unfair and see economic inequality as a major problem. They take broadly positive views of immigrants, and fully 99% think being open to people from around the world is an essential part of the nation’s identity. Most say more needs to be done to address both racial discrimination and obstacles to women’s achievement. They support same-sex marriage and believe homosexuality should be accepted by society. Solid Liberals are the most Democratic of all typology groups: nearly two-thirds (64%) identify as Democrats, another 35% lean toward the Democratic Party.
^ Link to the quiz.
More on the types (this is a spoiler and I suggest you DO NOT READ THE FOLLOWING LINK BEFORE TAKING THE QUIZ, it will subconsciously drive you to push for a result you want rather than what you actually are.
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No answer to the original question so far.
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