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@BearMan
This is the official website directing on on the 'hows' and 'whats' of the election day. It is the 100% official source, it cannot be wrong.
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@Imabench
@seldiora
Imabench
Originality: 9
Depth of Research: 8
Effort vs Margin of Guaranteed Victory: 8
Intimidation Factor ~ Makes Opponents Forfeit/Concede: 7
Intimidation Factor ~ Unpredictability Drives Opponents To Argue Chaotically: 10
Intimidation Factor ~ Reputation Brings The Utmost Stress and Effort in Opponents: 9
Ingenuity of Debate-Structure Manipulation: 9
Eloquence: 10
Rebuttal Factor ~ Brushing off many paragraphs with 2-3 sentences: 7
Rebuttal Factor ~ Meshing rebuttals with contentions: 7
Rebuttal Factor ~ Constructing arguments that are extremely difficult to rebuke without hurting one's own case in some way: 7
Rebuttal Factor ~ Tendency to understand how voters interpret rebuttal-vs-contention interaction and strength: 9
Quality of Presentation: 10
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@AddledBrain
I don't want to argue against that as the mentality and logic you're providing are a good coping mechanism for a depressed and/or socially-anxious person to harness.
Nonetheless, I think if our brain isn't in a fragile state (not an insult, an observation) and we can afford to risk some unhappiness, when we really search for the 'true meaning' we can only have one if there's a god.
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@Sum1hugme
Sum1hugme
Originality: 8
Depth of Research: 8
Effort vs Margin of Guaranteed Victory: 9
Intimidation Factor ~ Makes Opponents Forfeit/Concede: 7
Intimidation Factor ~ Unpredictability Drives Opponents To Argue Chaotically: 7
Intimidation Factor ~ Reputation Brings The Utmost Stress and Effort in Opponents: 8
Ingenuity of Debate-Structure Manipulation: 7
Eloquence: 8
Rebuttal Factor ~ Brushing off many paragraphs with 2-3 sentences: 6
Rebuttal Factor ~ Meshing rebuttals with contentions: 8
Rebuttal Factor ~ Constructing arguments that are extremely difficult to rebuke without hurting one's own case in some way: 7
Rebuttal Factor ~ Tendency to understand how voters interpret rebuttal-vs-contention interaction and strength: 8
Quality of Presentation: 7
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@Intelligence_06
No, you are the one saying your side has evidence. If you want the proof of my side, then do not be lazy to read the 11 pages where I provided it.
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@Intelligence_06
First I'll address your 'proof' that the Earth is Round and bring us to a common understanding of why one can be skeptical about it.
The topic of 'how do the sun and moon move on flat earth' is another debate that of course is linked to it but more complex to explain and first requires one to consider that the Earth may not be round.
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@Intelligence_06
In the video with the drone what happens when it leaves the sky? Why does it spin so frantically? In the flat Earth model, the outside of the sky is heavily electromagnetic, I am curious what the NASA-given explanation is (I have tried to research it and don't understand).
Please link to me the video and let me see the stars or something when it leaves the sky.
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@Intelligence_06
Show me the photos taken from Mount Everest that displays curvature please.
Also, I am not saying I do or don't trust NASA, I am trying to display to people that flat earth conspiracy is falsely associated with other conspiracy theories. You can believe the Earth is flat without believing in many other conspiracy theories.
Of course if you believe the Earth is flat, you also believe the moon landing was a hoax but the reverse is untrue.
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@Intelligence_06
You are either trolling or very confused, I just said the opposite.
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@Intelligence_06
Are you aware that NASA are the ones orchestrating the lie in the flat earth conspiracy theory?
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@Sum1hugme
The flat earth hypothesis is more intellectually bankrupt than creationism.
I've directly challenged you to this debate (me as Con). I look forward to it if you accept it.
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@Intelligence_06
I am probably too lazy to siff through all 11 pages, but why does the image of Earth appear round all year long all day long if the earth is flat? Shouldn't it be looking like an eraser path perpendicular to the angle you get when you see a round flat earth?
Please explain more, I genuinely am not sure what you mean.
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@whiteflame
You only appreciate it because you are so highly ranked
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@3RU7AL
Agree to disagree
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@3RU7AL
Dimezzo failed when she ran thirdparty and succeeded when she ran Republican (but will fail because the Democrat guy will win the Sheriff position, if I'm understanding correctly).
You are saying that the people who voted Dimezzo are all to blame but why? Those that didn't vote at all let anyone at all win anyway.
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@3RU7AL
Virtue signalling the fact you don't vote doesn't achieve anything positive at all, quite literally.
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@Dr.Franklin
in which category
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@Vader
Supadudz
Originality: 6
Depth of Research: 7
Effort vs Margin of Guaranteed Victory: 8
Intimidation Factor ~ Makes Opponents Forfeit/Concede: 3
Intimidation Factor ~ Unpredictability Drives Opponents To Argue Chaotically: 4
Intimidation Factor ~ Reputation Brings The Utmost Stress and Effort in Opponents: 7
Ingenuity of Debate-Structure Manipulation: 5
Eloquence: 8
Rebuttal Factor ~ Brushing off many paragraphs with 2-3 sentences: 3
Rebuttal Factor ~ Meshing rebuttals with contentions: 8
Rebuttal Factor ~ Constructing arguments that are extremely difficult to rebuke without hurting one's own case in some way: 2
Rebuttal Factor ~ Tendency to understand how voters interpret rebuttal-vs-contention interaction and strength: 8
Quality of Presentation: 8
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@Dr.Franklin
You won primarily due to my weakness in understanding how voters perceive rebuttal strength/weakness.
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Trump is a racist, narcissistic asswipe. Everyone can blatantly understand this just by watching his demeanour, how he talks and what he says. The difference between his fans vs haters is not that the fans deny he's all these filthy things but that they embrace it as a lesser evil than something they call the 'evil establishment'.
What they mean is beyond me, he is everything wrong with the establishment in one persona.
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Yeah, Obama and every single Democrat since Lincoln freed the slaves and left things terribly segregated.
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@Intelligence_06
Intelligence_06 (formerly User_2006)
Originality: 6
Depth of Research: 8
Effort vs Margin of Guaranteed Victory: 8
Intimidation Factor ~ Makes Opponents Forfeit/Concede: 7
Intimidation Factor ~ Unpredictability Drives Opponents To Argue Chaotically: 7
Intimidation Factor ~ Reputation Brings The Utmost Stress and Effort in Opponents: 6
Ingenuity of Debate-Structure Manipulation: 7
Eloquence: 7
Rebuttal Factor ~ Brushing off many paragraphs with 2-3 sentences: 7
Rebuttal Factor ~ Meshing rebuttals with contentions: 10
Rebuttal Factor ~ Constructing arguments that are extremely difficult to rebuke without hurting one's own case in some way: 8
Rebuttal Factor ~ Tendency to understand how voters interpret rebuttal-vs-contention interaction and strength: 7
Quality of Presentation: 7
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@Dr.Franklin
Dr.Franklin
Originality: 6
Depth of Research: 4
Effort vs Margin of Guaranteed Victory: 1
Intimidation Factor ~ Makes Opponents Forfeit/Concede: 0
Intimidation Factor ~ Unpredictability Drives Opponents To Argue Chaotically: 6
Intimidation Factor ~ Reputation Brings The Utmost Stress and Effort in Opponents: 2
Ingenuity of Debate-Structure Manipulation: 0
Eloquence: 6
Rebuttal Factor ~ Brushing off many paragraphs with 2-3 sentences: 8
Rebuttal Factor ~ Meshing rebuttals with contentions: 8
Rebuttal Factor ~ Constructing arguments that are extremely difficult to rebuke without hurting one's own case in some way: 1
Rebuttal Factor ~ Tendency to understand how voters interpret rebuttal-vs-contention interaction and strength: 2
Quality of Presentation: 6
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@BearMan
Bearman
Originality: 8
Depth of Research: 7
Effort vs Margin of Guaranteed Victory: 7
Intimidation Factor ~ Makes Opponents Forfeit/Concede: 7
Intimidation Factor ~ Unpredictability Drives Opponents To Argue Chaotically: 7
Intimidation Factor ~ Reputation Brings The Utmost Stress and Effort in Opponents: 5
Ingenuity of Debate-Structure Manipulation: 7
Eloquence: 7
Rebuttal Factor ~ Brushing off many paragraphs with 2-3 sentences: 5
Rebuttal Factor ~ Meshing rebuttals with contentions: 2
Rebuttal Factor ~ Constructing arguments that are extremely difficult to rebuke without hurting one's own case in some way: 6
Rebuttal Factor ~ Tendency to understand how voters interpret rebuttal-vs-contention interaction and strength: 5
Quality of Presentation: 7
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I would like to note that being high in many categories doesnt mean superiority necessarily. A huge part of being a superior debater is how one utilises their playstyle, not their playstyle itself.
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@whiteflame
Whiteflame
Originality: 10
Depth of Research: 10
Effort vs Margin of Guaranteed Victory: 8
Intimidation Factor ~ Makes Opponents Forfeit/Concede: 8
Intimidation Factor ~ Unpredictability Drives Opponents To Argue Chaotically: 7
Intimidation Factor ~ Reputation Brings The Utmost Stress and Effort in Opponents: 10
Ingenuity of Debate-Structure Manipulation: 7
Eloquence: 10
Rebuttal Factor ~ Brushing off many paragraphs with 2-3 sentences: 8
Rebuttal Factor ~ Meshing rebuttals with contentions: 9
Rebuttal Factor ~ Constructing arguments that are extremely difficult to rebuke without hurting one's own case in some way: 9
Rebuttal Factor ~ Tendency to understand how voters interpret rebuttal-vs-contention interaction and strength: 9
Quality of Presentation: 9
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@blamonkey
Blamonkey
Originality: 8
Depth of Research: 10
Effort vs Margin of Guaranteed Victory: 9
Intimidation Factor ~ Makes Opponents Forfeit/Concede: 8
Intimidation Factor ~ Unpredictability Drives Opponents To Argue Chaotically: 8
Intimidation Factor ~ Reputation Brings The Utmost Stress and Effort in Opponents: 9
Ingenuity of Debate-Structure Manipulation: 9
Eloquence: 10
Rebuttal Factor ~ Brushing off many paragraphs with 2-3 sentences: 7
Rebuttal Factor ~ Meshing rebuttals with contentions: 7
Rebuttal Factor ~ Constructing arguments that are extremely difficult to rebuke without hurting one's own case in some way: 8
Rebuttal Factor ~ Tendency to understand how voters interpret rebuttal-vs-contention interaction and strength: 8
Quality of Presentation: 10
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@Trent0405
Trent0405
Originality: 7
Depth of Research: 8
Effort vs Margin of Guaranteed Victory: 8
Intimidation Factor ~ Makes Opponents Forfeit/Concede: 7
Intimidation Factor ~ Unpredictability Drives Opponents To Argue Chaotically: 4
Intimidation Factor ~ Reputation Brings The Utmost Stress and Effort in Opponents: 7
Ingenuity of Debate-Structure Manipulation: 2
Eloquence: 7
Rebuttal Factor ~ Brushing off many paragraphs with 2-3 sentences: 6
Rebuttal Factor ~ Meshing rebuttals with contentions: 9
Rebuttal Factor ~ Constructing arguments that are extremely difficult to rebuke without hurting one's own case in some way: 7
Rebuttal Factor ~ Tendency to understand how voters interpret rebuttal-vs-contention interaction and strength: 8
Quality of Presentation: 8
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@seldiora
Originality refers to how atypical one's arguments in debates are, topics are a small part that's considered.
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@Theweakeredge
Just because you believe the earth is round doesn't entitle you to make remarks that insult the mental health of other users. If you genuinely can't understand what I've written in this thread, then you must struggle a lot in life.
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@Theweakeredge
If it's not intelligible to you, then maybe your brain is the issue.
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RationalMadman
Originality: 8
Depth of Research: 7
Effort vs Margin of Guaranteed Victory: 9
Intimidation Factor ~ Makes Opponents Forfeit/Concede: 7
Intimidation Factor ~ Unpredictability Drives Opponents To Argue Chaotically: 8
Intimidation Factor ~ Reputation Brings The Utmost Stress and Effort in Opponents: 4
Ingenuity of Debate-Structure Manipulation: 8
Eloquence: 9
Rebuttal Factor ~ Brushing off many paragraphs with 2-3 sentences: 8
Rebuttal Factor ~ Meshing rebuttals with contentions: 8
Rebuttal Factor ~ Constructing arguments that are extremely difficult to rebuke without hurting one's own case in some way: 10
Rebuttal Factor ~ Tendency to understand how voters interpret rebuttal-vs-contention interaction and strength: 4
Quality of Presentation: 9
Seldiora
Originality: 3
Depth of Research: 7
Effort vs Margin of Guaranteed Victory: 3
Intimidation Factor ~ Makes Opponents Forfeit/Concede: 2
Intimidation Factor ~ Unpredictability Drives Opponents To Argue Chaotically: 0
Intimidation Factor ~ Reputation Brings The Utmost Stress and Effort in Opponents: 6
Ingenuity of Debate-Structure Manipulation: 1
Eloquence: 7
Rebuttal Factor ~ Brushing off many paragraphs with 2-3 sentences: 0
Rebuttal Factor ~ Meshing rebuttals with contentions: 8
Rebuttal Factor ~ Constructing arguments that are extremely difficult to rebuke without hurting one's own case in some way: 5
Rebuttal Factor ~ Tendency to understand how voters interpret rebuttal-vs-contention interaction and strength: 5
Quality of Presentation: 9
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@zedvictor4
You essentially either adhere to Hedonism or Stoicism then. Which version of the shallow-fulfillment seeker are you?
This is not about insulting, I want to prove to you that you do consider philosophy in what you do, it's just short-circuited.
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You will be ranked upon several factors. There is no such thing as a truly ideal debater, everyone makes sacrifices in their playstyle.
I'll start off with some who I think won't have an issue with me rating them, if you want to be rated let me know.
Ratings in each category are out of 10
Oromagi
Originality: 8
Depth of Research: 10
Effort vs Margin of Guaranteed Victory: 3
Intimidation Factor ~ Makes Opponents Forfeit/Concede: 9
Intimidation Factor ~ Unpredictability Drives Opponents To Argue Chaotically: 5
Intimidation Factor ~ Reputation Brings The Utmost Stress and Effort in Opponents: 10
Ingenuity of Debate-Structure Manipulation: 4
Eloquence: 6
Rebuttal Factor ~ Brushing off many paragraphs with 2-3 sentences: 1
Rebuttal Factor ~ Meshing rebuttals with contentions: 8
Rebuttal Factor ~ Constructing arguments that are extremely difficult to rebuke without hurting one's own case in some way: 8
Rebuttal Factor ~ Tendency to understand how voters interpret rebuttal-vs-contention interaction and strength: 10
Quality of Presentation: 7
Ragnar
Originality: 6
Depth of Research: 8
Effort vs Margin of Guaranteed Victory: 7
Intimidation Factor ~ Makes Opponents Forfeit/Concede: 7
Intimidation Factor ~ Unpredictability Drives Opponents To Argue Chaotically: 7
Intimidation Factor ~ Reputation Brings The Utmost Stress and Effort in Opponents: 10
Ingenuity of Debate-Structure Manipulation: 8
Eloquence: 9
Rebuttal Factor ~ Brushing off many paragraphs with 2-3 sentences: 7
Rebuttal Factor ~ Meshing rebuttals with contentions: 10
Rebuttal Factor ~ Constructing arguments that are extremely difficult to rebuke without hurting one's own case in some way: 10
Rebuttal Factor ~ Tendency to understand how voters interpret rebuttal-vs-contention interaction and strength: 10
Quality of Presentation: 9
Let me know if you want me to rate you or another user, I will first make sure I have permission to rate everyone in this way.
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@SirAnonymous
@Intelligence_06
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The true genius of noobsniping understands how to make the noob feel it's worth the risk.
That's all I will say on this matter.
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@SirAnonymous
I am asking atheists who aren't Nihilistic to explain.
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@SirAnonymous
No, I heavily dislike Nihilism.
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I won't go into myself too much here but I'll confess to having experienced genuine depression in my life and during that time, I was the closest to atheist I had been. I was always agnostic overall but what changed was when the nihilism and pure lack of meaning and purpose hit me, infected my brain so much that I wondered why I was alive and didn't want to get out of bed each day and was sad I woke up.
I am serious when I say that this thread is not meant to be about me. I want to truly understand how a round-earth believing atheist can possibly fathom themselves to be anything other than a worthless being on a spinning ball in the middle of nowhere hurtling through infinite nothingness for absolutely no true purpose and that everything good or worthwhile in their life was a ridiculously futile chemical reaction in their brain just deluding them to stupidly think there was any reason to feel fulfilled for it.
This is not made to mock; it's something I, as a Pagan/Taoist thinker find the biggest drive away from even indulging in the notion that there is/are no real deity/ies or spiritual realm in life that give my morally good actions meaning and anything I ever did a permanent, pure and irrefutable purpose as at the very least I impressed the god(dess)/(e)s watching.
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TRN you are banned from this thread. I am not a moderator but you are banned thank you.
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TRN get off my thread and stop saying 'autism' without knowing what it means. Supadudz is not autistic. I am and maybe you are. Stop using it as a synonym of 'stupid', Einstein and Mozart were austistic.
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@HistoryBuff
Because you also do not encourage a party to move left by blindly supporting them when they keep shifting right.
Yes you do, every single social democracy today got there by this election-by-election shift. The right-wing parties (in most cases) learned rapidly to adapt to the new much more poor-interests centre. At the same time, the left-wing party learned how to fine-tune their left-wing ethos without going all the way to full on socialism.
By voting thirdparty intentionally to 'send a point' or worse not voting at all, you over time teach the left-wing party to adapt to the new centre-shifted-right-and-conservative if they want to take away from their opponents' voting base, which is the primary objective if you want to win an election of any kind as measuring the 'rebels who voted thirdparty or didn't vote who would otherwise support us' is hard to weight up.
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@HistoryBuff
As a voter, you have power (obviously not literally you 'alone' but it's about the ethos you represent and attitude you infect others around you with when you comment on politics etc.
You can spread an atttitude of whining like an entitled brat about the party owing you and that they will magically get on their knees and beg you for the votes you're giving neither party, or worse giving to Republicans in spite. That's your perogative. I choose to vote for the best party that actually has a shot at winning if the election is truly viable to be won.
I will probably vote thirdparty if I truly deep down believe it's nowhere near close and am in a truly corrupt nation where the vote count is forged or votes are coerced by an unwritten mafia code among the policians to the populace.
If you're in a nation where votes really can change the rulers, it's entirely your fault if it ends up with the worse party in charge, there is seriously no one else to blame. We can sit and blame the media, who we fund and force to be stupid and sensational because we don't pay them for their service otherwise. We can sit and blame the system for being corrupt as rich donors pull the strings.
Or...
We can start to vote and spread a behaviour and ethos of voting for the lesser evil each and every election because then the party least close to the view of good in the community will shift towards the center of the issues they're extreme on while the other remains concrete on the ones that the people support.
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@Username
Also, don't point out to Supa that every single country that outlaws VPN is proudly right-wing except for China, Venezuela and North Korea (which is a puppet state of China).
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@HistoryBuff
You do not encourage a party to move to the Left by teaching them that those that are willing and happy to vote support more right-wing policies.
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@HistoryBuff
fair point. but if they are so stupid that they insist on learning the opposite lesson, then the left needs to go further to make it unmistakable. For example, start a 3rd party and tank them even harder.
You can try, you will of course fail and prove to them that it's better to move further and further Right until your group as a whole learn to stop being whiny brats and show gratitude to the only Party that can truly defeat the Republicans or else you can perish like Labour did to the Convervatives in the UK this election.
If you actually look at the votes, rather than seats, it was a very 50/50 split between left-wing parties and right-wing (SNP was willing to coalitoin with Labour) but due to other factors, such as Liberal Democrats and Green Party having supporters leeching from Labour, as well as people who didn't 'like Corbyn' for whatever reason, were either voting Conservative or their third party and throwing away realistic 50/50 likelihood seats. The result was a landslide record-breaking victory for Conservatives, unseen since Thatcher's election.
The issue isn't people who votes thirdparty itself, especially not if their area didn't have any chance at a non-Conservative seat. The issue is people who refused to vote, voted Conservative or intentionally threw 50/50 seat areas solely out of spite and whining at Corbyn for not being the perfect candidate.
The right-wing in UK is actually equal to what the Democrats are in left-ism, in fact they are slightly less Right Wing in practise (but in ethos they are basically equal). This is the first election since Thatcher that is encouraging Labour to shift towards the right and that is exactly what is happening now.
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