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@PressF4Respect
Of all the reasons to scumread him, that is the silliest one in my eyes. Plus, he didn't have to explain why he had to go anyway.
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@PressF4Respect
Save the popcorn for his family movie night.
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Anyway, I literally have nothing to hide and am going to lead by example so tell me when you want to know my hand. I am willing to reveal first. My plan 0% requires me to hold back my hand and my hand is interesting indeed.
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Why would Pie be against use outing our cards if he's town here?
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@PressF4Respect
Yes, but then we would expect a specific action from them from the list, based on their real hand. If they don't do that action, we know they're scum. At that point, they're left to faking their night actions, which they would then have a significant chance of getting caught.
Exactly, that's part of it. I guess you worded it wrong though. They don't need to fake their hand, they need to be prepared to lie well and risk either way.
Either they risk by faking the hand here in a long-planned gambit or they play it safe claiming real hand here and spiral into a doomed web in the night phase as they realise they'd screwed overall.
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@PressF4Respect
Why were you not looking at DP2 while it happened?
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@PressF4Respect
No they wouldn't. They could claim their real hand.
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@PressF4Respect
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@ILikePie5
And after revealing there’s no guarantee that all of towns actions will have a chain reaction. Better to keep mafia guessing.
There is if we trust the inno on Press from Croc as being a genuine inno if Croc is real cop. That aside, there's many ways to pivot things. It also will help us to decide who to lynch (but that part I'll explain after the cards are outed).
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@ILikePie5
I vehemently disagree. All this does is reveal to mafia who has power roles in the night and who has nothing. Randomness is better in catching mafia.
You think there's only 1 mafia left, yes? Who has to hide from who? Who are the predators at this point?
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@PressF4Respect
By the way, the funniest part of your story of Day 2 is that it is wise to fold with that hand anyway, you shouldn't have tried to bet. That was what was most amusing to me. Just because your 2 magically got a match doesn't mean you should have bet at all. Bearman outed with the hand 4 and 2 of Diamonds on day 2. You should have realised it was EVEN LESS optimal to make that crazy gamble than before. It was very strange that a 2 showed up at all in the turn and river and cost me a decent shot at PR.
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@PressF4Respect
Oh ok then nvm, I thought you meant the last day's hand (which not everyone has outed yet).
Can you name someone who hasn't?
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@PressF4Respect
It doesn't matter. I am saying we out it, it doesn't need to be all at once anymore.
At this point in the game, it is my understanding that Mafia do not NEED to fakeclaim their cards at all BEFORE the night. This is why I encourage it happening here, we're so far ahead population-wise that we can completely arrange things to reveal concrete things by day 4.
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@PressF4Respect
when did you out your hand? I am referring to the hand you have today. We've all revealed our hand the day before by now.
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Btw, I genuinely support a mass-out today of all our cards. This will help for 2 reasons:
- We arrange a nearly unbreakable chain reaction of role-on-role actions based on the viable outcomes.
- We know each other's cards and can better assess the likelihood of a bet being worth or not much more than we otherwise would.
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@ILikePie5
I still scumread Croc and Supa. If both of those guys are town then you’re the next one.
Why is Bearman town?
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@ILikePie5
I was the one that caught Speed.
You mean with your cop report? Or are you suggesting you caught the straight slip?
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@ILikePie5
If I was scum, why would you be roleblocked? Do you think I'd worry about you investigating me? You townread me.
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Tbh IDK how Poe can be town here, the way I se it no pairing makes sense without him and no individual mafia makes lynching Pie as town cost us the win.
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Pie's interactions havd been far too friendly all game vs his town meta and on top of that, I noticed again and again on day 2 I'd out things like Speed slipping as he claimed a straight (like fifteen minutes after he did or whatever) theb Pie, who was there the whole time goes 'well done' to me. Then I do the same to Oromagi weirdly saying he had a 9 day 1 and Pie going 'well done' to me for spotting what he qas online to spot the whole time. Why isn't he on the ball and aggressively hunting mafia like usual when he's town?
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I also think that the interactions Oromagi and Supa had dp1 represent a bus-like hostility and not a genuine behavior where Oromagi is trying to get town town lynched or caring what Supa says.
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Btw one thing against Supa's favour os that of he wasn't town, it would explain why I survived the NP1 despite him not being doctor. Disc was voting and spearheading the Supa lynch.
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Bearman on his own is not very viable. I feel like the only reason he was suddenly much more active than usual and that he outed his cards to hs day 2 is because he lacks partners to keep him stimulated and also wants to try hard as he's finally getting into mafia. If Oro knew that his win depended on Bearman towntelling why would he tell Bearman to oit with a vanilla hand wortht only of folding on day 2? Seems ridiculous.
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Press and Pie isn't viable because everything else asidd both seems to be keeping absolutely zero track of what the other is doing amd saying. Whole for some that's a partner tell, I know both of them engage others frequently and this doesn't add up. Plus, the inno.
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It will defeat the entire purpose of increasing Croc's towncred
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Pie and Croc as a team supports a Pie lynch even if it's four.
Press and Croc is unviable. They'd not risk innoing mafia after bus-NK Oro
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So if croc is scum, he's almost certainly with Pie, as the rb can't make sense especially woth someone as analytical as Oromagi on their team.
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When I say last scum, I am aware I switch between assuming 4 vs 3 mafia. I am using reasoning that combines both scenadios to come up with the optimal lynch.
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In my eyes, Town can't scumread Crocodile at least not today. The amount of sheer insanity it would take for Crocodile to bus-NK Oromagi for towncred is stupid as hell to base a lynch on. Also, if Crocodile were scum and bus-NK'd then why roleblock someone they think is potentially tracking them?
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The last scum is pie or supadudz in my opinion. Let's discuss a little more about how two deaths happened night 1, if we want to.
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I think it's Pie because everyone else fits together as town. Additionally, Pie says he's roleblocked and roleblocking is viable as a mafia role in this game but I don't understand why Mafia would roleblock Pie on night 2. They'd either RB me intending to make me finally lose town cred, or they'd roleblock an easier frame-target just to seal the deal, such as Crocodile, Bearman or Press. Why roleblock Pie?
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@PressF4Respect
He was role blocked, you pay much more attention usually.
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@PressF4Respect
Actually your story is so ridiculous that I townread it
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@PressF4Respect
'Bet' is both past and present tense, though betted is technically a word.
I don't buy your story at all and it was suggested in the OP of this game that only mafia can duplicate cards. Nonetheless you showed innocent on a cop report.
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Bearman folded and has no role btw. I tomd him to fold after he revealed his full hand day 2. Unfortunately he'd have been tracker had he not folded. The reason I'm defending him is that I townread him and also because pressuring for a claim shows you didn't read day two properly.
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Noome vote anyone until you are sure please, double vote power exists for mafia.
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@Crocodile
Unvote any mafia menber could have double vote and there may be two. I townreas bearman, please unvote. You don't need to votw for pressure this is a nonsense concept that Oromagi and Pie regurgitate.
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@Crocodile
It's not about what they seem anymore. We're at a stage in this game where everything is in the open and town cannafford risky lynches. I urge all to out their cards today even, no matter how much it helps mafia, so we can plan a chain reaction tonight that guarantees revealing scum or town affiliation on two people by tomorrow. I'll explain more later and this flop isn't the best for it but based on my card recycling theory, this flop is just fine as it has a jack.
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@ILikePie5
Process of elimination. What was your role that was blocked and what were your cards?
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@Intelligence_06
I am more truly left lib than I used to be. Less centrist economically.
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@Intelligence_06
For your sake I'll take it again and answer my honest views.
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Press claimed to have the same 9 as was in the flop, in his hand. He therefore definitely bet. What was his report or end-role in day2 and why hasn't he outed it?
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Supa may be scum. I think he really had the flush and that gave mafia a double kill night 1. Alternatively the four of a kind from Oro, if true could explain that too.
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