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@WyIted
Not a single liberal will apologize for calling trump a liar when he said his campaign was spied on.
This is because someone can be a liar and not have done one specific lie, even if you call them that while some of your group 'say something'.
Let me just get this straight...
You believe every Liberal-identified person in politics in the US said Trump lied about being spied on, you believe every time they called him a liar while that was being said (that he was lying about being spied on) that they only mean that's why he's a liar?
You believe he is owed a deep deep apology for that... How about realising that he himself never apologised when the Central Park Five were found innocent.
He was wrong about many things many times but why this is very important is I want to understand if that trait (not apologising when wrong) is aggravated by you more when 5 are abused by cops blackmailed into false testimony, Trump stays good friends with the Prosecutor of them to this day.
Just two weeks after the Central Park attack, before any of the boys had faced trial and while Meili remained critically ill in a coma, Donald Trump, whose office on Fifth Avenue commanded an exquisite view of the park’s opulent southern frontier, intervened.He paid a reported $85,000 to take out advertising space in four of the city’s newspapers, including the New York Times. Under the headline “Bring Back The Death Penalty. Bring Back Our Police!” and above his signature, Trump wrote: “I want to hate these muggers and murderers. They should be forced to suffer and, when they kill, they should be executed for their crimes. They must serve as examples so that others will think long and hard before committing a crime or an act of violence.”Salaam, now 41, cannot remember exactly where he was when he first saw the ads. He had no idea who Trump was. “I knew that this famous person calling for us to die was very serious,” he recalled.“We were all afraid. Our families were afraid. Our loved ones were afraid. For us to walk around as if we had a target on our backs, that’s how things were.”All five minors had already been paraded in front of the cameras and had their names and addresses published, but Salaam said he and his family received more death threats after the papers ran Trump’s full-page screed. On a daytime TV show two days later, a female audience member called for the boys to be castrated and echoed the calls for the death penalty if Meili died. Pat Buchanan, the former Republican White House aide, called for the oldest of the group, Wise, to be “tried, convicted and hanged in Central Park by June 1”.“Had this been the 1950s, that sick type of justice that they wanted – somebody from that darker place of society would have most certainly came to our homes, dragged us from our beds and hung us from trees in Central Park. It would have been similar to what they did to Emmett Till,” Salaam said.Kharey Wise in court when he was arraigned in the Central Park jogger case. Photograph: NY Daily News Archive via Getty ImagesAll five boys pleaded not guilty at trial the following year. The prosecution’s case rested almost entirely on the confessions they had given shortly after the incident. As would become crucial later on, there was no DNA evidence linking any of them to the crime scene and Meili, who made a miraculous recovery and testified in court, could not remember any details of the attack.The jury found all five boys guilty. The court condemned them to prison to serve sentences ranging from five to 10 years and five to 15 years. Wise, who had remained in the city’s notorious Rikers Island jail, was sentenced as an adult.Michael Warren, the veteran New York civil rights lawyer who would later come to represent the Central Park Five, is certain that Trump’s advertisements played a role in securing conviction.“He poisoned the minds of many people who lived in New York and who, rightfully, had a natural affinity for the victim,” said Warren. “Notwithstanding the jurors’ assertions that they could be fair and impartial, some of them or their families, who naturally have influence, had to be affected by the inflammatory rhetoric in the ads.”
Rather than insert any of my own opinion of this guy here, tell me what you think of someone who does all that and doesn't at all apologise when all 5 are found framed and innocent and tell of the police brutality and other things that game their way to coerce them into confessing to crimes they didn't commit, having lost 4-13 years of their respective lives to the case (different guys were sentences differently).
He says 'there were bad people on both sides'. I believe their race probably played into why he was so sure they did it as well but that's besides the point.
He doesn't apologise for his biases or ill-thought-out ways of going on unconfirmed opinions and conclusions on others. He viciously pursues that and always has. This guy you admire and defend, you expect much better apologising and behaviour from others right?
It doesn't add up.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
So he can never be a they. A she can never be a they.Not without loss of communication efficiency.Which is why if there MUST be a non-binary pronoun a new one would be better. However I won't bother to learn it, if it catches on it catches on; but in general I don't think it's something to indulge. People are looking for validation and resolution in the wrong places. If it wasn't for their blind submission to socially constructed gender roles they would never have been uncomfortable with being called "he" or "she" to begin with.
Solid post, agree with everything in it except that we shouldn't indulge those wanting it, overall it's better to indulge that than the ones obsessed with completely changing their body just to fit the 'other gender'.
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@Greyparrot
How do the elite rich benefit more under a Democrat economic progressive tax system than the much more lenient Republican one?
Could you please go ahead and name it unless the elite rich person is LGBTQ?
I think just about 0 ways exist.
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@FLRW
this doesn't encrypt at all
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@Barney
@whiteflame
To be crystal clear someone is allowed to say all I quoted on top of other abuse, that's acceptable and doesn't warrant a ban?
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I don't know much about what's been going on between you and Lance, but since this rant is pretty stereotypical of a lot of your rants, I'd have to say it's probably a "You Problem".
It certainly isn't. I am not the one abusing others to points that if the real him were associated what he had typed, he'd be loathed by many and exposed as a bully that tries to push people he identifies as 'easy prey' to go over the edge and self harm or kill themselves. that is exactly what he is doing and exactly how he is operating. He is trying to say anything possible to drive me to hate myself and self-harm.
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There are people who given all he has said and done to me would cry or self-harm, even commit suicide. That stuff he is saying is what people tell people to push them over the edge.
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@Barney
@whiteflame
This is totally unclear to me especially as Savant has said in another thread that Lancelot is creating an alt.
Is someone free to post the following and not get banned, on top of arranging votebombing, which is 100% him, given what he says.
No, you fucking pussy.You aren't the side that was wronged, even if you try to spin it that way. You're a timid little coward that requires the mods to defend you because you're incapable of protecting yourself every-time you start shit. The definition of a beta male.I'm not a villain and you're not a victim. What you are is a self-loathing failure. I'd tell you to find something you're good at, but you suck at everything, so looks like that ship has sailed.That's probably why you targeted Slainte. Because he and everyone else here detected your bitch vibes. You had it coming every-time I attacked you, so don't act like you're anyone special.You're special, but you're not exceptional.You've attempted to make claims about having a high IQ, but it's transparent to everyone here you're too intellectually impaired to be semi-competent at anything. If anyone was as cognitively underdeveloped as you, they might have self esteem issues too.When you come to terms with reality, you'll realize you're just as worthless as everyone thinks you are.It's cringey as fuck that you call yourself a rapper when your flow and rhymes are trash. Probably why the whole site laughs at you.You are pretty good at slacking at and conceding debates because most subject matter is too complex for you.Congrats!
Imagine vote-bombing and then crying you got vote-bombed. 😂The fact that you think I was involved with whatever happened to you is hilarious.I'm not the only person who dislikes you, you're pretty much hated here and everywhere you go. So stop thinking I'm responsible every-time something doesn't go your way.You decided to fuck around and you quickly found out.Blame no one but yourself, you hypocritical bitch.
You are saying someone is allowed to say this? He said more than this elsewhere. He has abused me to the point that there is no site online other than some shithole like 4chan that wouldn't have permabanned him by now.
Is this in your eyes as mods somehow a 'maybe' situation?
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generally speaking, I think "liberals less Islamophobic than conservatives" because liberals tend toward the celebration of diversity, inclusion, and value differences. Conservative tend toward the rejection of diversity, divisiveness, and exclusion of differences, especially lately.
So you state two polar value combinations:
- celebration of diversity, inclusion, and value differences
- rejection of diversity, divisiveness, and exclusion of differences
Which of these do Islamic societies and Islam as a religion itself lean towards, in your opinion?
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@Barney
@whiteflame
@oromagi
Please reply officially here about it or PM me. Thanks in advance. I don't care if this thread is closed as a call-out thread, I want a public statement about the real reason he was banned and nothing at all left a mystery to anyone present or future here about what kind of member he was and what happens to such members. Deterrance is an important part of justice as is properly branding the rulebreaker as what they are.
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The following are a series of bullet points that really are linked thoughts.
- At present it would appear...
- he gets away with his name being saved from you putting in the moderation log the real reason he was banned
- because he 'asked for it'
- also I need to know if under the rules him asking for it means he can make an alt
- or if he's permanently banned
There are 2 fundamental issues, ignoring my own aggrievances here.
The issues are:
- All users that are permanently banned cannot legally make alts here and almost no member here other than Death23 with doxxing threats has deserved a permaban as much as Lancelot has.
- All banishments of users require the real reason(s) to be displayed, whether or not the users asked for it if that includes other reasons. On their profiles and to the userbase via the moderation log.
I am unclear on if on a technicality he's evaded justice and is allowed to make alts like all other users who self-request bans are permitted. What I am clear on is that we the people of DART and I personally ought to know if this absolutely sadistic and vile bully is banned for good or not. I have endured quite enough abuse, he has essentially told me that I'm worthless and to hate myself and off myself and gone through votebombing and other things to achieve that goal, goading me to feel insane or idiotic for thinking he was doing those things to me. I ought to at the very least have the justice of seeing his name have the genuine violations he committed on his profile and told to all.
There is no reason not to do so at all, it's not cleaner, better or more justified, it just makes members confused, frustrated and/or ill-informed regarding a major moderation decision here.
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As for the 'beta male' remark, I'll bite. I know it's bait but I'll bite.
I am more sigma male than alpha male if I need to ascribe to those labels. That said, a real alpha male needn't break others down to feel good about himself, he needn't use alts to abuse someone into losses, even if he got someone else to do it, while playing the victim the whole time. He also needn't offer a truce he has 0 intention to be true to or be a fake friend.
A real 'alpha' is just up front and confident enough that he can take an L even against someone who in his own opinion votebombed him. You had 3-4 genuine Ls that you got others to 'save' you from, 3 were with explicit votebombs and that's only in the past month or whatever. You can't stand the exact aura you call 'beta' because it isn't and you resent how confident I am.
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There is a reason you needed votebombs from many accounts across 3 different debates just to avoid losses against me, 3 in a row even.
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You have yet to show my attacks on slainte, despite being asked multiple times to catalogue the harassment.
The mask is slipping btw, your victim or hero narrative won't hold up for long. It is clear to anyone who the abuser and villain is between us.
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@prefix
I have had enough of your attitude. I tolerated it but it's now at a limit I either keep making myself unhappy or block you. You are berating me, ignoring what I say and asserting things without definitions, derailing the thread.
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Marxism is Socialism...
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You can word it how you like, as a question or a statement regarding Nazis being genuine Socialists.
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Please make a separate thread, I will reply there, post the thesis-overview/outlook at the start.
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Communism is extreme Socialism, at least theoretically.
National Socialism is not even Socialism in theory let alone practise, it was a tactical propaganda wording to appeal to the working class.
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Quote it please so we can explore it.
On a separate topic, make a thread about if Nazis were Socialists in reality as opposed to name. I will tackle it there rather than derailing my own thread.
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I am embarrassed second-hand for you.
The same action in self-defense is legal whereas in provocation isn't. Even in real life court of law.
As a society we do to prisoners what would be kidnapping and battery charges if a citizen did it unwarranted to another.
That 'hypocrisy' has nothing to do with you and others you have harassed here. They are not harassing you, you are harassing them.
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The Nazis did believe in private property. They did not have socialism at all. Their most severe enemy ended up being Soviet Russia.
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Are you aware what propaganda is?
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Nothing here fixes the rating loss or the fact I feared engaging in further wins.
I would be where Barney is I murked Lancelot 4 times and there is a fifth win robbed.
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@Savant
Temporary fix is to permaban Lancelot and tell him good riddance.
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@Best.Korea
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If fact you probably think the Nazis were "right wing".
They were but Sharia is more right wing. What the Nazis were extreme in was Conservatism, not right wing politics, the term far-right is inaccurate.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
I see 0 hypocrisy in what you quoted. I also see 0 addressing of what I said.
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You said Muslims are fond of public funded services to prove they are liberal. That is firstly economic wings without social conservatism vs liberalism but Islam is right wing.
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So many Indians themselves still see the Vishnu or Shiva as their demigod prophet of sorts. The 'main' demigod they see as the one to pray to. Similar to Jesus, except Shiva and Vishnu are not human even in appearance.
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There is something Westerners like IWRA should know before spewing this stuff, it was British Colonists who coined the term Hinduism and fused the storylines to try and fail to unite India under one religion.
South Indians and some Sri Lankans of the Tamil ethnicity believed in Saivism, pronounced similar to sshaivism and they worship Siva, pronounced sshiva. In order for peace between South India and Central India, the Saivists were more willing to fuse their storyline and scripture stemming from way way back as ancient as Judaism, with the Vaisnavism of Central India that worshipped Vishnu.
It was Vaishnavists who had the idea of the 4 armed blue or purple (yes lilac) guy etc. Shiva was 2 armed and pale as fuck almost white, originally. On the other hand, Central India through to North India had many Pagan statues and worshipped different beings such as an elephant statue etc.
The British took these different ideologies and encouraged them to unite under Induism, which later had an H added as the Indians did not want to impose onto the Muslims (they cared less about tge Sikhs and Jains) that it was the only religion of India.
After leaving India suddenly, the Hindus left in power were rather corrupt and hate crimes towards Muslims and Sikhs escalated, with courts of law siding with the Hindus either way around (retaliation, self defence or sheer aggression).
This is part of why Sikhs, one of the Pagan ones that refused to fuse with Hinduism and located primarily in the Northwest of India, adopted carrying swords in their turbans and is part of why they hated the Gandhis.
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Vishnu, Shiva, Brahma (different to Brahman) so on and so forth are all demigods, not gods.
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Hindus believe in 1 god essence named Brahman.
All the others are demigods, manifesting the god essence in personas.
Brahman is the only real god level thing and it has no consciousness, it is raw energy and is the source which all souls stem from and gravitate towards when meditating.
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It is not true that they believe in socialism.
They are very much about charity over welfare and sided with their mortal enemy, the then very Christian Western nations of US, UK etc during the Cold War because they resent communism and socialism that much.
Sharia nations are diehard capitalist nations, always.
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Which values of Islam are not conservative?
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Actually and factually, Pew Research finds only 21% of Muslims are "conservative"
And it is not a casual relationship but a somewhat causal one.
Much less than 21 percent are doing the killing, essentially every sigle one of them is in that 21% if it really is only 21 percent.
There is no reason for a 'liberal Muslim' to be engaging in jihadist warfare unless severely peer pressured to
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Where?
Which Pew Research finding?
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I could actually say Islamic conservative, it's because the word 'conservative' works as both adjective and noun that you're perhaps confused or think you've made a point.
In the context, you discussed Muslims as the noun.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
I don't know what is up with the approach the mods take but I will give you my direct approach.
You are a serial harasser and bully. What you do is go after people, often completely unprovoked, for months onto years. You look for ANY opportunity (especially in the religion subforum) to abuse them verbally.
You go out of your way to spam the same things over and over to them across threads telling them everyone is laughing at them for either their gender identity (tradesecret), their jewish identity (rosends) and plenty more. What you also do is go to the most vulgar and severe stories in the scriptures and angles to gaslight them into feeling they said to then lead into spamming that everyone is laughing at them. You do this even when blocked, even when asked to cease. You only stopped doing it to me because I both requested the mods to tell you to shut the fuck up and you realised I am not really taking your bait.
You make casual forum posting a genuinely unsafe environment for members who are not sure how to get the mods to stop you or are too proud to.
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If they be "conservative" or "apples" or "oranges", it is an incidental property that follows the primary quality of "being Muslim"Muslim first, conservative incidentally if at all.
It is not incidental at all. Islam is an inherently conservative religion and way of life.
There are essentially 0 examples of a liberal Muslim engaging in Jihadist violence other than for pore defence.
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When a group of Muslims kills another group of Muslims, is it because they are conservative? NO. It is a religious battle ( because they are Muslims ).
Wrong.
Only a severely conservative Muslim would feel there is a need to slaughter other humans over Jihadist reasons.
Islam encourages Muslims to work together against other religions and to only be defensively violent overall. The problem is that if there are Muslims one identifies as fake Muslims, then it has clauses justifying them being the worst of sinners.
The fact that over 91% of Muslims do not do these killings should be proof enough that Islam is not the cause.
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Losing essentially 200 rating and being degraded verbally means I am the side of the war that is aggrieved and had to fight it.
You were never ever wronged by me in any sort of unprovoked manner so naturally you can have the truce as you are the instigator and villain in every single sense.
I lost rating, was too afraid to start rated debates due to it, was insulted and degraded months ago through to now by you first for being autistic and awkward and later for apparently being evil and some other shit, the whole time gaslighting me about it being abusive only in my head and framing me as the abuser.
I am glad you agree to cease the BS but I am owed rating and an apology that someone of your psyche will never give either of despite all you did to me. The site owner is too lazy to tweak the wrongful losses and out me top 3 where I literally belong rn. The mods seem to be mechanically unable to.
Now shut up and stay the absolute fuck away from me, lancey boy. Glad you learned to.
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@Sir.Lancelot
I merely find it hilarious. I did far less than you and got longer bans before as have others. You are the worst active member here in rule violations, you broke so many and yet only a 2 week ban. xD
If it were up to me, you would be permanently banned. Stop this 'act' you get nothing from this 'act' other than proving what kind of individual you are to toy with your victim saying 'we are friends'.
I actually saw bullies like this growing up and know of this technique, they literally would go up to their victims smiling and acting like 'friends'. I never understood why the victims played along with it, they got treated worse as the timid friend than they'd have been as a genuine victim that just avoided them and isolated themselves.
I am not your friend. You are the single member I dislike most on here. Wear it as a badge of honour.
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@Vegasgiants
2023. Conservatives are only tolerant of one religionLiberals are tolerate of all of them
Why? Look how you spoke in this thread about Christianity, I assume you are a 'liberal' yes?
Also, they are not for tolerance but acceptance. Conservatives tolerate, minimalistically.
Why should liberal embrace and accept Islam if it stands outright against the ethics of them, liberals and progressive, as a group more so than conservatives do?
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Yes I need help. Where in Islam is it encouraged to kill other Muslims? How is it causal?
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@Sir.Lancelot
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Your posts are consistently fire in the DART section.
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