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@Lemming
While Trump by his vague policies and directions 'did put illegal immigrants in camps, and separate illegal immigrant families (Both actions anger me)Trump hasn't put 'Americans in camps. As Stalin put Russians in Siberia, not to mention all the people Stalin personally ordered shot or erased.
That's fair; but Harris isn't going to do anything close to that. I'm not saying you have to vote blue. It's just that if someone told me, "You could get shot, stabbed, or neither", then I would do neither. If it was, "You could get shot, pay a theif $20, or neither", I could respect option 2 or 3 (option 3 basicly means you fight and might die), but option1 is off the table.
I don't see why politicians can't use hyperbole.
Politician's words should be taken extremely litterally; if they misspeak, then they admit to it and it's fine. Trump doesn't do that. Like RFK made a statement many thought was anti semetiic; he said he didn't mean it like that; and society forgave him.
Off my head, I'm not very fond of the,1. Defund the Police Movement,2. Anti Gun Movement,3. Trans the Children Movement,4. Trans in Sports Movement,5. Immigration Movement,6. Include Everyone for the sake of Diversity Movement.
1. This is not Harris'es position.
2. This is not Harris'es position; and I think AR 15s should be legal nationwide and constitutional carry should be legal in every state. But that's just because I love freedom. The 2nd amendment won't defend you from tyranny. Conservatives argue Big Tech is tyranical; when was the last time you saw San Fransisco get attacked by people protecting themselves from tyranny?
3. Be specific. Are you talking about hormones, dick snips; titty taking? What is your ideal minimum age for these activities?
4. If a kid is 6, they do co ed sports; where boys compete with girls and it's fine. Therefore, you need a maximum age to start HRT for trans girls to be able to compete with cisgender girls.
5. What is the pourpose with deporting people?
6. This point is very vague. Affirmitive Action got voted against by about 16 pts in CA (a D+30 state). They aren't going to bring back DEI and Affirmitive Action by law.
I didn't like Biden trying to excuse College Student Debt, though I would not be against him trying to reform College costs.
How would you reform college costs? My rule would be make college free under the condition that you get rid of Woke Inc (no more Gender Studies, African American studies, Women's studies, etc). I would rather though make every major free than make no major free.
I vaguely want Freedom and less Government.
Harris and the democrats are more libetarian than Trump and the Republicans.
Right wing freedoms:
- AR 15 legalization (6% of the population).
- Lower taxes (when half of Americans already pay virtually nothing in income taxes, and less taxes means less money for education, and virtually nobody is seriously negatively impacted from left wing tax laws as the poor don't pay much and the better off wont' miss the extra money).
Left wing freedoms:
- Weed (10% of the population).
- Undocumented immigration (6% of the population).
- Abortion (12% of the female population recieves an abortion and this effects the men to a lesser degree, so 25% of the population)
- Qualified immunity (100% of the US population has more freedom from government law enforcers (called cops))
- LGBT freedom (8% or so of the population)
- Education freedom (you get more money for schools)
The free speech freedom is virtually the same from what I've seen. We had 4 years of Biden; 8 years of Obama, the most radical racists (David Duke) have not been jailed for their speech; they would have been in many other western countries, but not here.
The left is more libetarian than the right.
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@Savant
Rejecting legitimate claims is illegal and in violation of contract.
It is illegal to do this.
If I intentionally cause my employees to die because I know the fine will cost less than safety measures, I'd be killing them.
In that situation, you're correct. People expect safe working conditions at an office; they don't expect safe working conditions on the battlefield. Everyone knows the military is dangerous; if you don't want to risk getting your limbs blown off, then don't join the military.
Trump hasn't instituted a draft, and he's less pro-war in Ukraine than the Democrats.
This is true, but he wants war with Mexico (Why Trump and other Republicans want to go to war in Mexico | Vox). He says it's, "to take out the cartels" much like the war in Iraq was to, "take out ISIS". At least Ukraine is far enough away and all we're doing is sending money; Mexico is right next door!
Getting people to have cult-like loyalty is weird, but it's not the same as using that loyalty to then shoot someone in the street.
The cult like loyalty lets you get away with shooting someone on the street.
You can just stop responding to MAGAs then. Unless you hate getting pinged that much, blocking them doesn't accomplish much since they can still respond to you, you just won't be tagged.
Yeah; I don't want people who are unwilling to change their minds in my feed. Arguing with them is pointless. This is different from me. If Trump does policy X, then MAGA DART member immediately backs policy X; I want to see what policy X is first, think it over, and then if I agree, then I back it. I believe Trump is racist so I won't vote for him, but if policy X is, "get us out of Ukraine", then I'll agree with Trump there.
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@Best.Korea
Can men have periods?
Yes because some men are transgender and the right can't define what a woman is.
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@Lemming
What would you say your consistent morality is? Like, what policies do you want your politicians to enact?
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@Lemming
You know what, you are the only Trump supporter on here who I think is gettable, so I'll respond to your points.
Maybe Trump shot someone in self defense, or as an accident.
This is acceptable for Trump to do. I'm not going to hate someone for genuine accidents. Now, you should prove it's an accident in court, but if you're able to do that, then I'd acquit you.
Are you saying what if Trump did something like walk up to a Healthcare CEO and shot them?Well yeah, at that point he might lose my vote, still depends on his opponent though.
Who's the opponent? Lets say Trump ran against literal Stalin. You could just vote 3rd party and I'd respect it. I voted 3rd party in 2020 and 2024 (libertarian both times).
Hyperbole exists, exaggeration, grandstanding, playing to the crowd, saying offensive stuff to get a rise out of people.
Comedians can do that and we know they're joking. Politicians are serious.
And maybe people took his claim more seriously as something he might do.Maybe corporations trying to make money, are different than human voters.
Why take Ye seriously and not Trump? Trump's a POTUS contender. Ye is just a rando artist with bipolar. I would take Ye less seriously than Trump.
I did not like Biden, I did not like Harris.I do not like the Left in general lately.
I don't like them either, but their crazy is disagreement; Trump's crazy is insanity. It's not even comparable.
Later on, I've just 'really come to dislike the Left and various Left Social Movements in America.
Which social movements are you referring too?
Still 'really dislike the Left, even more now, as I dislike a number of Biden's policies.
Which ones?
The economy is bad, but I'm not convinced that's Bidens fault.
So then why blame Biden for it? If a snowstorm comes where it's -10 F out, it's bad, but not a politician's fault, so don't blame them.
I don't like their stands on Immigration, Guns, Abortion, Race, Sex.
Why not?
Voting 3rd party is fine; but it seems obvious to prefer Harris to Trump.
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@Lemming
1. If Trump shot someone, then would you still vote for him?Maybe, needs context.2. What if Trump said he could shoot someone and not lose voters? Would you still vote for him?Maybe.What people say, isn't always what they do,Some person might say they're going to kill someone in a fight, but they don't mean that literally.Some people might brag about their support, to the point they claim they could shoot someone in the street, doesn't mean they 'are going to shoot someone in the street.Who I vote for, depends who Trump is running against.
- What situations would you refuse to vote for Trump for if #1 were to happen?
- I will analyze these situations:
What people say, isn't always what they do,
Then why say it (unless you take the statement back)?
Some person might say they're going to kill someone in a fight, but they don't mean that literally.
Trump was not in a street fight recently.
Some people might brag about their support, to the point they claim they could shoot someone in the street, doesn't mean they 'are going to shoot someone in the street.
When Ye said, "I could say anti sematic shit and they won't drop me", he was dropped pretty instantly. If he took back his statement and said he was exaggerating, then it would be fine. Trump never did that.
Who I vote for, depends who Trump is running against.
Everybody who Trump runs against in the general Trump will claim is a far left radical woke communist and his base will automatically believe it. He said it about Biden; he said it about Harris. He could have been running against RFK when he won the primary and he would have called RFK a far left communist.
Well, personally I voted for Hillary, Third party, and Third Party, the last few Trump elections.
I know you made this big response as to why; I'd want you to find the link if you could and post it here. I don't think it would be fair to have you re type it all.
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@Savant
This has to be the equivalent of covering your ears in order to win an argument.
It depends on how you define, "Winning".
If it's a formal debate and people vote where you can objectively tell who won, then that's not possible on fourms.
If it's the other person conceding, then I've learned that's impossible. It's like trying to convince a rabbi that Judaism is false. He's not changing his mind.
MAGA is a religion for most of it's supporters and it should be treated as such.
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@Savant
Based on recent events, it would seem that being responsible for a thousand deaths is at least as bad as shooting someone in the street.
I don't agree with this. I am responsibel for the death of thousands of children by not adopting them. Killing and letting die are different to me.
What if they said they were going to start a war or implied they might draft people if it came to it?
Then I (probably) would critisize them on the war, but I have to hear their case for why they want the war and see if it makes sense. The, "Country X is our ally" argument isn't good because the left says it with Ukraine, the right says it with Israel, and neither says it about the other country, so it's just the tribes rooting for their team.
Given that Trump is a draft dodger, we can assume he's opposed to the draft
Being a draft dodger is only ok if you're anti war. If you dont want to fight and possibly die in a war and want that for other people as well (and you don't start any offensive wars when you're in office), then it's fine. But if you would dodge the draft for yourself but expect others to have to fight your wars, then it's hypocritical.
Like, if there was a draft to fight a war in a foreign country, then I would dodge it (but I wouldn't institute a draft if I became the POTUS). I'm anti war, so it's ok if I dodge a draft. Trump is not anti war, so it's not ok for him to dodge the draft.
If Kamala or a Democrat said "Trump could shoot someone and not lose voters,"
If Harris said that Harris could shoot someone and not lose any voters, then I could tell she's trying to run a cult and I would cut ties instantly. Kindof like when Ye said, "I could say anti semetic shit and they can't drop me", if I found anti semetic speech as horrible as murder, then I would cut ties with Ye over that just like Nike and Adidas did.
What I would tell people who I know highly respect me is, "I can say anything within the overton window and they would eat it up.". The difference is views within the overton window aren't bad views.
It's not Trump's fault his supporters love him so much.
It is; he wouldn't market himself the way he does if he didn't want people to love him.
If he wants fans, then stay on the apprentice or become a rapper. You could be a vile white nationalist; if you're just a rapper, it doesn't matter.
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You chose to dodge the question. You are in a cult and there's no way to get you out of it. I've given up.
Blocked.
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@ILikePie5
You have no good reasons to back Trump regardless of race. You like his vibes; you are not a race traitor, but you only like his vibes. But vibes don't matter, like at all. He could murder someone and you'd be fine with it. That's called being in a cult.
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@Shila
Your topic was on Trump.
Trump should be treated as a generic person X. Like, he doesn't get to be special for being Trump (or at least he shouldn't be special).
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Blocked list:
- ILikePie5 (who happens to be Indian and I know that, but I really don't care; I don't wear kid gloves for minority MAGA people or for white MAGA people)
- ADOL
- Wylted
- GP
Mharman and Dr. Franklin are unknown, but we will see. I'm mentioning them so I know who to check for. They have about 48 hours.
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@Shila
It was repeated enough times that even MAGA voters heard it.
I doubt it; and only around 75 million voters out of 240 million potential voters voted for Trump (a lot of potential voters don't vote). People usually don't talk politics much (and any crazy claim about Trump the MAGA people usually argue is fake news).
Thinking Person X did not commit murder is different than saying if Person X committed murder, then it should be legal for them to do it.
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@Greyparrot
@WyIted
Not enough of your answers are the morally correct answer. Both of you are going to be blocked.
@Wylted
Have you ever wondered why even when your conclusion is agreed with a conservative would disprove it? It's because you are a retard and do not even understand the belief you are arguing against. You only use false dichotomies and strawman because your IQ is literally too low to make arguments without false dichotomies or strawman. Now on to your retard questions which have already been answered hundreds of times.
You decided to insult me; alright. I don't care what low IQ people like yourself argue.
I only care about his policies
Talking point argument; dodging the question like a career politician.
Trump's policies are racist and there is no use in arguing with you over that because you are unwilling to change your mind because if you let Trump get away with murder (which is illegal), then you'll let him get away with racism (which is legal).
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@Shila
How many died out of your neglect?
Millions of foster kids by not adopting them.
Killing and letting die are not the same.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
If you don't give me your social security number you're in a cult.
This is a dodge. You're blocked.
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@Shila
The people still voted for Trump. So the voters voted yes to both your prepositions.
Not every MAGA voter is aware that Trump said he could stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot someone and he wouldn't lose any voters (especially if you exclusively only watch Fox News). I feel like giving the benefit of the doubt.
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@WyIted
That's probably not accurate, extreme conjecture, and if Harris made that argument to justify being pro war, then you would call it communist propaganda (she would argue she's saving live in Ukraine by America funding Ukraine).
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@ILikePie5
Your 2nd answer isn't good enough. You're blocked.
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@Greyparrot
He is less war than any other option.
- What is your rationale for this?
- Do you live in a battleground state (it sounds off topic, but I will make sure it's not)?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I've tagged anyone that I think is pro Trump that commented here in the past 3 days. This means they use this site a lot, so they will read this message.
If they refuse to answer no to both questions (defined as a yes, a dodge, a maybe, or a non-answer), then they are in a cult; their opinions can't be taken seriously, and they should be blocked (I will block them).
There is no use in free speech on those unwilling to change their minds. If you will stick behind Trump even if he commits murder, then I have no respect for you; you either want murder to be legalized or you will grant a special exemption for someone who you like the vibes of.
This is an ultimatum.
They have 48 hours to respond. Clock starts now.
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@Greyparrot
@ILikePie5
@Mharman
@Dr.Franklin
@WyIted
I've tagged anyone that I think is pro Trump that commented here in the past 3 days. This means they use this site a lot, so they will read this message.
If they refuse to answer no to both questions (defined as a yes, a dodge, a maybe, or a non-answer), then they are in a cult; their opinions can't be taken seriously, and they should be blocked (I will block them).
There is no use in free speech on those unwilling to change their minds. If you will stick behind Trump even if he commits murder, then I have no respect for you; you either want murder to be legalized or you will grant a special exemption for someone who you like the vibes of.
This is an ultimatum.
They have 48 hours to respond. Clock starts now.
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1. If Trump shot someone, then would you still vote for him?
Don't dodge the question with a politician like answer.
Answer yes or no; a politician dodge would be assumed to be a yes.
2. What if Trump said he could shoot someone and not lose voters? Would you still vote for him?
Don't dodge the question with a politician like answer.
Answer yes or no; a politician dodge would be assumed to be a yes.
For me, the answer is a no, both ways.
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@Greyparrot
Trump killed one guy to stop a war in Gaza under his watch. That makes him a hero.
Then he is not anti war. Anti war = Pro NATO military isolationism. The left will make the opposite argument about how us being involved with Ukraine is somehow anti war (which you can disagree with, but it's just bias on your end just like it's biased on the left's end for why they woulc argue Trump is not anti war).
The easier thing to do would be to cancel out the biases and define anti war strictly as being pro NATO military isolationist.
Trump continued deployments and bombings in SyriaTrump has to feed the deep state Syrian oil so the deep state doesn't devour Americans so much
Then Trump isn't anti war; you think Trump is justified for being pro war here because you liked Trump to begin with; the left does the same thing for Biden/Harris.
The left: Anti war, unless Ukraine or a war Biden/Harris starts because they are our, "ally" (based on some conjecture that it saves lives).
The right: Anti war, unless Israel or a war Trump starts because they are our, "ally" (based on some conjecture that it saves lives).
What being anti war actually means: End all non NATO wars; regardless about your justification for war.
You think Trump bombing Syria is somehow justified; alright; then he's not anti-war.
But you don't care because Trump could directly shoot someone and you would still vote for him. Prove me wrong.
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@WyIted
Not really true, there is still a lot of economic interventiomism.
With healthcare, where?
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@WyIted
(including Trump).He didn't start any
Trump continued deployments and bombings in Syria (and ordered the drone strike that killed Iranian general Qassem Soleimani).
That's being pro war.
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@Dr.Franklin
Wrong. Trump is an American patriot and Jan6 was awesome. I dont GAF that some chubby CEO died.
Trump is chubby.
But Trump could shoot someone and you would still vote for him; so that just shows how little I respect your opinion.
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@Shila
If the person dies out of neglect it is still manslaughter.
I doubt it; I neglect every kid in foster care that I didn't adopt; it doesn't mean I did anything bad.
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@Shila
Sure, you can be pro 2A; but I'm saying on the economy (which healthcare is a part of), to support a violent revolution to get universal healthcare is fiscally left wing thing.
Don't call yourself fiscally right wing if you want government run healthcare. It's not an insult; many people are fiscally left and that's fine; but be honest; that's all.
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@WyIted
Sure, but the problem was removed for decades; whining about it is like BLM whining about slavery.
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@WyIted
The most current situation is a billionaire that is a serial killer.
Letting someone die isn't killing. Otherwise, any politician that started a war is guilty of murder (including Trump).
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@WyIted
Yes but after FDRs economic interventionism that stopped being the norm
I'm not sure that's true. Neither one of us were alive then.
So this is incorrect. In 1935 a much lower cap was in place and yes it was enforced until the end of the great depression
Alright; so it's no longer a law now and therefore you can't blame FDR for 2024 economics.
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@WyIted
So he made caps on income
He suggested $250k a year; but NBA players make millions, so that never happened.
My theory is that if you remove the source of a problem it goes away. So economic interventionism caused insurance to be normalized and for doctors to get rid of pro Bono work and sliding fees.
That's not true; a doctor is allowed to treat you for free.
Okay so in a capitalist country you would have less laws and regulations that impact what a company does but they would be forced to abide by the contract.
They'll cheat their way with the contract; they got to maintain a profit margin; there is the risk they will sue; but it's unlikely since poor people can't sue. I'd rather not get insurance unless it's free or very cheap.
the government does create regulations that block competition than we could compete and the better provider would win and less customers would be fuxked over
the regulations make products better quality so we don't get sold snake oil (sometimes). Regulations that reduce competition should be removed.
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Me: Should billionaires who cheat people out get murdered?
Society: YES!!! (Both democrats and republicans). The republicans should stop calling themselves fiscally right wing if they make comments like that, but I digress.
Me: What about Trump (a billionaire who cheats people and does Jan 6?)
Society: NO!!! (Both democrats and republicans). The democrats should stop calling themselves anti Trump if they make comments like that, but I digress.
Society thinks the CEO should have gotten murdered and Trump shouldn't have. For me; it's the opposite; only one of them did treason with Jan 6.
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@WyIted
The reason healthcare is like this is due to policies of FDR that had companies create insurance policies that insulated customers from the prices of medicine.
- How would this make things worse for people (in 2024; 80 or so years after FDR was POTUS)?
- What bill did FDR sign that made this a reality? He was the new deal guy.
I would support a more free market approach to fixing the issue.
This will blow your mind, but a CEO works for the free market. It's kindof the point.
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@WyIted
By endorsing the shooter, you are willing to support violence to achieve universal healthcare.
Don't call yourself fiscally right wing; you're not. That's fine if you're upfront with it; but then don't be agreeing with Trump on tax cuts for the rich (because that's what makes universal healthcare impossible).
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@WyIted
The UHC CEO got rich off of running his healthcare business with the goal of profit rather than saving lives (meaning when profit and saving lives came into conflict, he chose profit). This is why the left claims he's a serial killer.
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@WyIted
Your profile picture is someone who shot someone for being a rich person. Your profile picture is of a communist.
Just understand that.
I reject communism, and that includes killing people for being rich.
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@Greyparrot
If that's true, then fine; give Harris the same grace when she didn't fire federal reserve inflation producers.
Trump could have abolished the lockdowns federally; he chose not to; MAGA didn't care.
My other 2 points you left untouched.
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@Greyparrot
Now, imagine if Trump told the country to prepare for another round of Covid lockdowns while he set up his misinformation board to suppress free speech and started a hot war with Russia by launching American missiles into their homeland. Pretty sure Maga will tell Trump to kindly fuck off.
- With the lockdowns that did happen under Trump's rule, MAGA didn't get upset at him for it. He blamed it all on a doctor that he didn't fire when he was in office.
- He said he wants to jail flag burners for a year.
- Trump wants war with Mexico (that could result in nukes going off)
MAGA doesn't care.
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@Double_R
Is MAGA hypocritical? Yes. Is Trump hypocritical? Yes. Is Christianity hypocritical? Yes.
If Trump came out tomorrow and said he was god and his fast ear healing is proof and he was here to create Magdated Christianity (MAGA updated Christianity) where he decides what's in the religion, then MAGA people will adopt that branch of Christianity (no matter how unchristian it is; the label is all they need).
When the bible has hypocrisy in it (as it had for centuries), it's followers don't care; don't expect Magdated Christianity to be any different.
Getting angry at Magdated Christians for their religion is like getting mad at Muslims or Jews for theirs.
The only way to change a MAGA mind is to find instances of Trump advocating something that you support (which you can find examples of Trump saying to take people's guns without due process, you can find examples of him being pro choice, you can find examples of him even saying to build more cities (while he also hates cities for being left)).
You can use AI videos to make Trump say whatever you want (as long as you do a Trump accent). Like, Wylted now no longer believes a zygote is a human being because Trump supports IVF. You can make a YouTube channel that feels right wing but it isn't. There are ways to make MAGA confused about what Trump believes.
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@Double_R
If it's gradual, then why wasn't Trump having charges in 2000 or 2005? Michael Jackson was accused in 1993.
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@WyIted
If you think it's stupid, then why is it ok (for pro lifers) to force a woman to endure 9 months of an unwanted pregnancy pain but not ok to put social pressure on dudes to endure 3 days of vasectomy pain (if the consistent goal is the same, reducing abortions)? Why does 3 days of male pain outweigh 9 months of women's pain?
For pro choicers, if it's ok to encourage dudes to get vasectomies (when they think the dudes will be white), then why not apply that to black dudes as well?
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@Mall
Your children wouldn't even want you killing harmless people. What are you doing?
I don't know; I see many kids playing call of duty; when I was 3, I wat biting my brother. Kids are not inheritely soft. Boys (usually) don't play with Barbies (unless they're gay, then there is a higher chance).
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@Shila
District Judge Lewis Kaplan has said it multiple times: Donald Trump raped E. Jean Carroll in 1996.
Oh; I thought it was in the 80s.
1996 means that he should have been prosecuted in 2006 (or roughly that time); before Obama became POTUS, and way before he amassed his cult following.
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@Double_R
Second, to any woman who lived through the 1980's. The world was not nearly as willing to hear a woman out as it is today.
What was the 1st year that the world was willing to hear a woman? You say they weren't willing back then but they are now, so.
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@Best.Korea
My balls hurt from just reading that sentence.
I don't care; pain is short term; get the fuck over it and stop being a pussy.
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@WyIted
I don't like liberals but to steelman their position the argument is creating a better safety net would prevent a lot of abortions.
That sounds kind of socialist according to MAGA people.
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