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@TheGreatSunGod
Hey, if I had a cute girlfriend, I wouldnt break up with her even if she was the most evil person in the world. There is just a time where cuteness outweighs moral issues.
That's a problem. Stop caring SO MUCH about how cute she is (btw, in 40 years, that woman won't be cute).
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If men are logical and women are emotional, then if they're in a relationship, a woman can say that mass shootings are acceptable if performed by someone with mental health issues and the man wouldn't break up with her. But if the man says, "I don't care if whites use the N word", then the woman gets angry with him.
THIS is what emotional women would say:
Women need to stop being emotional. Fuck Tradition.
Don't use your heart when making policy decisions; use your head. Don't act on feelings; only act on logic.
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@Shila
I see you forgot to tag me.
Canada has universal healthcare. Doge is trying to cut funding for Medicaid, social security and veterans.
The 10th amendment to the US constitution says that issues like healthcare are left up to the states. In other words, Canadian Americans would be allowed to keep Medicare for all in their states. Canadian nationalists act like we would be taking away their Medicare for all; that's just Canadian government propaganda; they would be allowed to keep Medicare for all and they may even expand the idea to current US states. If California or Hawaii implements Medicare for all, then congrats Canadians, because you guys agreed to join the US and because other states decided to copy your ideas, now you can enjoy Medicare for all in a warm environment. I know Canadian winters can be brutal. If they join America and wait for CA or HI to implement Medicare for all, then the Canadians would get to enjoy the free healthcare they had before the annexation and now they can move to somewhere warm.
All Canadian arguments against annexation are either rebuttable or emotional.
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@Sidewalker
How about Canadians can concern themselves with their Constitution, and Americans can concern themselves with theirs.
Lets be realistic, over 90% of people from both nations don't have their constitution memorized.
The idea that there must be parity between the two nations is inane. They are different countries, with different cultures, and different needs.
The, "Culture" part is vague. Most Canadians are fluent in English (even in Quebec). They ARE different countries, however there is no reason why this status quo has to stay this way (NY culture is way more like Ontario culture than NY culture is like TX culture; but NY is with America and not Canada).
For instance, we have the right to bear arms, but in Canada, it's just too damn cold for bare arms.
Guns are not only legal in Canada, but people in Canada are more likely to have guns than I think ANY European country.
Out of 230 countries worldwide for gun ownership per capita, America is #1 (no surprise), AUS is #51, England and Wales is #127, Scotland is #117.
Canada is #7.
Americans are more likely to have multiple guns; but this wouldn't really matter; you can only hold one gun at a time.
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@Double_R
Right, which makes them different.
But changing the rules when you happen to benefit from the rules is fine. Like, politicians are allowed to raise their own salaries; people don't really care if it's not too much of a raise.
Trump was indicted in four different jurisdictions because he committed obvious and serious crimes.
What were the obvious and serious crimes?
And Jan 6 was horrible, but the left thought he committed a bunch of crimes before Jan 6, so you would have to resort to crimes before Jan 6.
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@Savant
Yeah; but America and Canada both have very strict immigration laws, so it's pretty much the same on that front. Like, America is more racially diverse than Canada; we've been more accepting to non-white immigrants than Canada has been. So, I could argue that the KKK would support keeping Canada separate from the US. I'm against the KKK on this issue.
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@Shila
Canada has done better being independent. It outranks America in education, healthcare , quality of life, crime and global reputation.
Canada is better than the US in some areas, and the US is better than Canada in other areas (GDP per capita, cost of living, racial diversity, better weather). Being in the same nation means to a large extent, every area would emulate the strengths of the other area to an increasing extent. That goes with the free flow of movement, ideas, and integration.
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@zedvictor4
Then you could say, "directly" vs, "indirectly" emotional, with direct emotion only being what counts as emotion.
Partying with your friends because it makes you feel good is direct emotion. Studying for a medical exam so you can earn more money and save more people because it feels good to you is indirect emotion. When people say, "emotion", they are only talking about direct emotion.
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@Double_R
If there's widespread agreement then it's not a problem in need of being solved.
How widespread are you talking about?
Kids should be taught epistemology and critical thinking in school. That would go a long way but republicans stand in opposition to that. Gee I wonder why.
It makes kids easier to control and it reduces taxes for their donors.
Like I said earlier, Trump's lying is on a whole new level from anything we've ever seen. He lies about everything from big things to silly things, and he does it with not only no commitment to reality but not even a commitment to consistency.
How many lies did Trump do vs the generic politician in a 4 year term? Trump probably did it more, but how many lies is too many lies?
Lying tends to contain itself only to the issue at hand. Bullshiting, especially when done in this fashion as Trump does, destroys our ability to even have a conversation with each other. And it might sound the way I've described it like bullshiting leads to less deciept because it's out there in the open but that's not true at all. Once the very concept of respecting the truth is gone people are more free to say whatever they want whether it's true or not so people don't even know who to listen to anymore and everyone becomes less and mis educated.
Oh; so you saying Trump is a bullshitter makes him worse than a liar? I don't think Obama ever went to bullshit level degeneracy.
What do you mean? I called him a criminal and you replied asking didn't they drop the charges, the implication being that if they dropped the charges he's not a criminal. So to that point the reason they dropped the charges matters.
How I interpreted it is the "deep state" (I don't know a better term) tried to push all these false accusations about Trump. Now from my perspective, the accusations might be right or wrong, so give him a trial. But I heard he is accused of committing r@pe. If this is true, then he did it in some year (I heard 1996). If a r@pe case for him takes 15 years (Diddy needed 7, Epstein needed 11), then why wasn't Trump convicted in 2011? That makes me think it could have been staged. The left dropping the cases because Trump's POTUS to me seems like, "We tried to bullshit the American people into thinking Trump r@ped; they didn't buy it; we will stop making these accusations because it failed".
The left doesn't call the free press the enemy of the American people nor does the left reflexively dismiss any verdict they don't like as the product of corruption or partisan bias without any thought the way Trump does.
They do that with Fox News (they call it the, "conservative media").
the Russian federation against our will?Yes because we don't speak Russian.Now you're just not being serious.
How? Why does Russia want Crimea and not Mongolia? Crimeans speak Russian.
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@Double_R
Playing the game within the rules is one thing, changing the rules mid game just to suit yourself is something different entirely. The latter is the very thing at issue.
Any US politician that wanted a Canadian style term limit structure is going to have to change the rules mid game is the thing.
He also believes (and maybe rightly) that staying in power is the only way to keep himself out of jail.
Nobody would be trying to jail him if he didn't run for POTUS, so the idea is a backfire.
Trump does have a big ego though; every POTUS does whether they show it or not.
He has no respect for the constitution, American history or America's future.
This is accurate I think, given some of the stuff he advocated for (Muslim ban). But there are some historically American things that I would want to axe (ex: the electoral college), so I don't like that part of US history.
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@zedvictor4
What does this have to do with annexing Canada?
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@Savant
What does the federal government control that Canadians would take issue with in the constitution?
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@Swagnarok
You take the value from what YOU do; not your country.
Nobody calls it imperialistic when California doesn't liberate the State of Jefferson. That's different from one person stealing another's home.
Countries are not people; they are classifications.
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@Savant
They don't want the electorate of the US to influence their laws? Similar to people in Texas who don't like having a president elected by people in California.
10th amendment makes that null and void. If CA and TX became the same state, then they would need AZ and NM as well; if there is one very big south western state, then the governor of that state would have voters from all 3 states.
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@Sidewalker
Why would it be bad for the US economy?
It takes away earning potential for the nation.
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@Double_R
When you are a democracy and you have those pesky rules in place to ensure adherence to a constitution and the protection of rights for all, it's gets far more complicated.
Not really. How hard was it for states to put in mask mandates in 202 if the state was MA (a state that wanted them)? Very easy.
Politicians campaign on problems they delay to solve because it's electorally sucessful.
Because we as a society do not have the checks in place anymore to ensure those who have a platform to reach millions of people know what they're talking about.
So what's your solution? Because, yes, Fauci is a more reliable source of science information than RFK if he's pure; but he might not be pure; he might be bought out. You have no clue. Now, RFK can be corrupt, but RFK doesn't have the trust that Fauci has. You disagree with Fauci on science, you're crazy. You disagree with RFK on science; it's your opinion.
Not empower the people out there spreading this nonsense.
Sure, but if they say something I like, then I'll give them credit (and if they say something stupid, then I'll criticize them for it).
What do you think would be the good ideas to debate about?How we're going to bring down the price of groceries. How we're going to reverse the wealth gap trend where now 80% of this country's population are scrapping over 7% of the country's wealth. What our immigration *laws* should look like, etc.Not whether we should annex Canada, or how we're going to get rid of all this [non-existent] voter fraud.
1. Free trade (which I generally support except for Canada which is until the US annexes them, but I digress).
2. I'm indifferent about income inequality. I'd rather have Person A have $1 million and Person B have $500k than have them both have only $10k.
3. Abolish ICE.
4. The US should annex Canada; it's a new topic. Some topics are new.
5. Voter fraud is not an issue in 2020 or 2024.
The fact that the line we draw on what's "too much" is arbitrary doesn't mean we don't draw a line and it certainly doesn't mean we pretend that someone who lies more isn't worse than someone who lies less.
If Politician A lies 1002 times and Politician B lies 1000 times, then assuming every lie was equally bad, Politician A isn't that much worse here. I would also argue not all lies are equal; quantity matters, but so does intensity. It's too arbitrary; so I'd rather not indulge.
And no, it's not "Trump might do it the most" it's that Trump is in am entirely different category of lying than anything we've ever seen.
I would be unsurprised if he did it the most, but how much compared to other politicians annually. You would also have to measure for intensity as well (which is very arbitrary). Is it worse to say the vaccines cause autism or no state in the US legalizes elective 9 month pregnancy abortion? The left winger would say #1, the right winger would say #2.
They dropped the federal charges, and that's only because he won the election.
Why would this be relevant unless it's a concession?
This video is old but might help.
Trump isn't the only on that attacks the press and courts. The left does this with Fox News and the Supreme Court on Roe.
Would you have a problem of Russia made us part of the Russian federation against our will?
Yes because we don't speak Russian. Canada:
1. speaks English (even Quebec is majority English fluent).
1. speaks English (even Quebec is majority English fluent).
2. Borders the United States.
3. Has only policy differences that are easily accommodated under the 10th amendment.
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@Swagnarok
Not even close. Native reservations are a tiny portion of the land we took from them; it would be like giving back all of the US to the Natives.
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@Swagnarok
Do crimes committed 150 years ago justify further crimes today?
I would say no, but if you think the stuff we did 150 years ago was bad, then if you're being consistent, since we have the stuff at our disposal, you would then give the land back to the natives.
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@Shila
There is literally no non-rebuttable non-emotional reason for a Canadian to be opposed to peaceful US annexation.Prove me wrong.The Canadians have spoken , they will not become the 51 state. They have also responded with tariffs of their own and a national boycott of all things American.
You didn't say a reason; you merely said a response. You dodged like a corrupt politician. The Canadians who are doing that only have emotional and rebutable reasons.
If they want to boycott; then fine; start with BlueSky (made in America). Boycott with all major social media platforms (Bluesky; X, all US media stations), no more iphones (Apple and Android's headquarters are in the US), no more computers either (Microsoft is American). Hamburgers are American; Starbucks; McDonalds; all American. Chick Fil A; American. Their life will suck if they remove all their American trade (the majority of Canadian trade is American). No more immigrants either; as their planes are made in America. Even Canadian YouTubers and Canadian news stations use US search engines (and the Cadian model is always worse than the American one).
If the Canadians did all this, then their life will suck pretty badly.
Sometimes you got to learn the hard way that it's better to join the US instead of being a country of Juror 3s.
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@Shila
It’s called national pride.
That's an emotional reason; and emotions don't belong in politics under any circumstances.
Canadians are proud of their country’s achievements and wish to be independent.
All Canadian achievements can easily be retained if they were to join the US.
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@Mharman
Yeah; America is built on colonization (and so is Canada). Canada can't complain about colonization when their nation is built on colonialism.
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@Double_R
Trudeau didn't decide third terms were ok, his country did. That has nothing to do with him.
Well, "his country deciding" is really, "a former PM deciding". Trump happens to be the current leader of the US; but whether it's current or prior should be irrelevent.
The criticism about Trump is *why* he wants a third term, the answer is because he's actively trying to rewrite our constitution for his own personal benefit.
When you say this, do you mean:
1. Trump's Personal FINANCIAL benefit.
2. Trump's Personal IDEOLOGICAL benefit.
3. Other
If it's #1, then running for POTUS is a bad choice; elections are expensive. If it's #2, then the left wants to do this as well (look at "equal rights amendment"). Everyone for the most part wants to rewrite the constitution for their own ideological benefit.
Nobody is consistently anti Executive order. If there is an executive order that codifies Roe V Wade, all the left wingers who act scared of EOs will turn a blind eye to an EO that they strongly agree with.
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@Sidewalker
There is literally no non-rebuttable non-emotional reason for RemyBrown to be opposed to peaceful extradition to North Korea.
This is a bad opinion, but I'll present 1 argument:
1. It would be bad for the US economy to do that.
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I forgot I blocked you when I thought your mind wasn't changable (which is largely true on the left as well, you can't block everybody). You're unblocked.
Also, Canadians identify with their own country and would not consent to join the United States. Any annexation would be at gunpoint and violate their right to self-determination.
The US violated self determination when we annexed pretty much a lot of our current land. The Dakotas were claimed without the consent of the locals. If it's a problem, then we would have to give the Dakotas independence (as well as so many American states).
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@Lemming
So?
I learned from it that all the arguments used to justify Canada's independence from the US are either emotional or easy to rebut. If someone wishes to prove me wrong, then they should be yielded the floor.
I learned from it that all the arguments used to justify Canada's independence from the US are either emotional or easy to rebut. If someone wishes to prove me wrong, then they should be yielded the floor.
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You blocked me, but sure.
America is an entire Ocean away from one of them and we speak a different language than both of them.
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There is literally no non-rebuttable non-emotional reason for a Canadian to be opposed to peaceful US annexation.
Prove me wrong.
Prove me wrong.
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@FLRW
You might be right that Trump did very bad things. But if he did those bad things, then you can get him out of office (and he'll be replaced by Vance). But if you are against Vance having term limits, then hold Trudeau to the same standard. Nobody think Vance is a criminal.
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There is no non-emotional reason why a Canadian would support being independent from the United States.
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@Shila
Hold Trump and Treadeau to the same standard.That cannot happen. Trump is a convicted criminal.
The context was about term limits; not moral integrity. The charges against Trump were dropped the day he won I heard.
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@Double_R
Most left wingers oppose third terms on principal as do I.
So then criticize Trudeau for getting a 3rd term.
Hold Trump and Treadeau to the same standard.
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@Double_R
Having the US fall because it is so incompetent it can't even figure out what it should be focusing on. We have real world problems we could be addressing. Whether we should be annexing Canada is not one of them.
Solving a political problem is easy if you want to. For example, there is no such thing as, trying to "end LGBT hate laws". You either do it by signing some documents or you don't.
Great, now use that 142 to Google the definition of "collective".
Well why is the IQ of America falling? If it's failing schools, then you can easily fund those more with a swipe of a pen. It's not, "trying". It's doing or not doing.
Great, now tell the president and the 70 million Americans he seems to have convinced otherwise.
Their minds aren't getting changed, and that's fine because Jan 6 is old.
And while you might think annexing Canada is a great idea and are glad Trump is empowering you, he's also empowering conspiracy theorists, racists, and ignoramuses.
People say Trump is racist over deportations. Trump's an honest racist; Harris was saying, "Protect our undocumented community" and then deported more people than Trump. I prefer the scary thief that steals $50 from me over the petite looking woman that steals $200 from me.
Are you not bothered that half the country actually believes that election was stolen? And do you really believe that would be the case if not for Trump?
I'm as bothered with election deniers as I am with everyone dying. It sucks that it's reality, but what you gonna do?
Have you seen any of my posts on this site? What on earth makes you think I don't like debating ideas?
The following quote you made:
none of these things are even up for discission.
People you think are stupid are going to say ideas that you think are stupid; it's par for the course if you debate politics.
I don't like the fact that all there is to debate are stupid ideas.
What do you think would be the good ideas to debate about?
He is by far the most prolific liar in the history of American politics, yet they believe he's the real truth teller.
Trump is a liar; so is every politician. Trump might do it the most, but if I say, "1 lie is too much", then I exclude every politician. The alternative is saying, "X lies are too much" and X will be arbitrary.
He's the most thin skinned child we have ever seen and yet they think he's the embodiment of strength and manlihood.
This is correct; I'm not a MAGA cultist; yes; Trump should get a thicker skin.
He's a literal criminal and they think he's a victim.
I thought they dropped the charges.
He's an autocrat who they think is here to save our democracy.
I think we will have elections in 2028 whether Harris or Trump was in office. To terminate the constitution, you need 3/4 of the states, and Trump doesn't have that.
He's a Manhatten billionaire and they think he's the voice of the little guy.
Oh; Trump does not support the little guy.
I had no intention of going on that long but it all kept coming to my head because it runs so deep. That's what is stopping or ability to debate. We used to be able to work on algebra, now we're back to 2+2. It's appalling.
Well, keep in mind, you've seen me criticize Trump enough here, you know I'm at the algebra stage and not the 2+2 stage.
Now, what would be wrong with annexing Canada? What does it mean to be Canadian on a macro level?
Now, what would be wrong with annexing Canada? What does it mean to be Canadian on a macro level?
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@Mharman
Canada as a whole isn’t just more leftist than the US, they’re also less libertarian.
How do you define, "libertarian"? Weed is legal federally in Canada (as is blue America). Canada is a knock off of blue America basically.
There are ways around that though (like merge New England to become one state as well as Maryland, Delaware, and NJ); you can annex the area and spam the rural areas with a bunch of libertarian leaning Hispanics, Asians, and Carribean immigrants (I know them; they're very libertarian) to help make the area more libetarian.
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@Best.Korea
Then your mind is unchangeable and you should realize that I won't change mine either from you because you know I don't work off of emotion.
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@Best.Korea
I look at it in the way of what feels good and what I want. Death penalty doesnt feel good, but reducing healthcare cost in US budget feels good. You need to stop using logic so much. Logic doesnt work on me.
I can't change your mind if you operate solely on feelings; oranges feel good to me because they taste good. Nobody can convince ME that oranges taste bad to ME (but biology might 20 years in the future).
Logical people can have their minds changed. The emotional majority can't.
Logical people can have their minds changed. The emotional majority can't.
Stop forming your policies around emotion; because otherwise you are unconvincable. That doesn't feel good, does it?
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@zedvictor4
The other alternative is, Trump dies soon.
Then you get Vance (who probably would want to annex Canada as well if the overton window allowed for it (which right now, it does)).
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@Best.Korea
Maybe, but people will have more money for things they want.
Certainly; innocent people die without Medicare for all.
Are those luxury items people buy worth more than people's lives?
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@Shila
You can’t live in a Christian country and at the same time have the death penalty.
Correct; but America is not a Christain country; we have Christians, but we aren't a theocracy, so we don't live in a Christain country. Left wing theocracy is still theocracy.
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@Best.Korea
I dont really approve of government healthcare or government schools.
If you cut government healthcare, then it will lead to the death of innocent people (same thing for schools, aka teachers).
Teachers and Medicaid recipients are innocent, murderers are guilty. If you can justify giving a murderer free stuff, then you can really do that to ANYBODY (aka socialism).
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@zedvictor4
Why wouldn't it be the same thing?
And I'm sure that Canada is reasonably self sufficient and well connected enough, to not worry too much about a trade war with the US.
About Two Thirds of Canadian foreign trade is with the US (What % of Canadian trade is with the us? - Search). If Canadian ports get cut off with US ships (and bombed), then they can't trade with the outside world either. It's very easy for the US to isolate Canada IF we wanted too.
The alternative is Canada sobers up, realizes they can keep (and even expand) their Medicare for all easier if they spare the bloodshed, join the US, and maybe do some soft core colonizing of the US (aka expanding Canadian policies like Medicare for all and French language classes). They could also spread Poutine; and can get an enjoyment by putting Russia in their place by eating Pou-tin and having Americans do the same.
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@Best.Korea
What capitalist element(s) do you support?
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@Best.Korea
Then you are a socialist, as cutting government spending on programs preached by the left leads to death (but it gives more economic power to the free market with tax cuts).
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The argument: It disproportionally effects black people!
Me: Why do I care? I'm a capitalist; I want to save money (and if that means getting rid of expensive appeals, then so be it). My money is more valuable to me than stranger's lives (even if they're innocent). I don't care if they're black. I don't care if they're white.
Either you agree with me or you're a socialist. I'm fine with either option; but be honest and upfront. I'm willing to have innocent people get killed to save money (because I'm a capitalist). Disagreeing with that is inheritely socialist because they value human life way more than I do relative to money.
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@n8nrgim
trump is at best causing dysfunction right now. how can you MAGAts disagree?
He's Trump; he can r@pe children on Epstein's island and his base will claim it's fake news no matter what evidence you have on your side.
If they will assume Trump is innocent/right on child r@pe no matter the evidence to the contrary, then any other accusation they will either say, "Trump is right" or, "It's fake news"!
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@Mharman
I'm curious, what would be the issue? More left wing states?
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@zedvictor4
Though why the fuck would Canada want to do that?
They get free trade and freedom of movement with the global superpower, and unlike the current free trade, NAFTA can be gone tomorrow and Canada will still have free trade with America if it's in the same nation; but when they're independent, then Canadian interests get ignored.
In terms of sensibility it would be far better if Canada annexed the US.
You do realize it's the same thing except for the name, the flag, and the stereotypical colors? The people inside it would be the same (except for laws that if they were big issues, then politicians would easily remove or implement).
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@Savant
I don't trust the poll because there are some common sense things that don't make sense (ex: The Atlantic provinces are less willing to join the US than Quebec; who speaks America's language)?
In a world that made sense, Quebeckers would be the least willing to join the US.
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@Savant
But then you ask them WHY and they usually reference some policy every province in Canada has that are present in none off the US states for example, "We have M4A" (which I addressed in the OP).
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@Double_R
We are light years away from marginal tax rates.
Virtually nobody wants to debate that except the left. Tax policy doesn't generate headlines; culture war stuff does.
Washington State had no income tax in 2017; Arkansas did; most people think Arkansas has lower income tax.
Washington State had no income tax in 2017; Arkansas did; most people think Arkansas has lower income tax.
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@Savant
War is not required if the Canadians consent (which why wouldn't they?)
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