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@Best.Korea
It’s because people are obsessed with my dick. They want to circumcise it. They want to hide it from public display.
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@rosends
You clearly know nothing of either Judaism or middle east affairs.
At least 39,699 people have been killed and 91,722 wounded in Israel's war on Gaza. 40 percent killed were children. Nearly 15,000 other children in Gaza have been killed since the war began on Oct. 7, 2023, according to the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights. "Gaza has become a graveyard for children, with thousands of others missing, their fates unknown," Stoner said.
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@Best.Korea
Why do you blame Jesus for her appearance? They are separated by time over 2000 years.
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@Best.Korea
It’s because people are obsessed with my dick. They want to circumcise it. They want to hide it from public display.
They would have no need to hide it from public display if you kept it out of sight.so you are obsessed with your uncircumcised dick.
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@zedvictor4
Can a metaphor be more damaging than if it were a fact? Both views are extreme.Not exactly sure what you mean Shila.Though, if facts were known, then representative tales wouldn't be necessary.But such metaphorical tales become established as guiding principles for some.Which, if all guiding principles were the same wouldn't really be damaging.But as we know, society isn't like that.So perhaps it would be better to know the facts rather than promote a minefield of misinformation tales.Nonetheless, I still tend to run with the idea that all aspects of the bigger evolutionary picture including factional religious hypotheses, are all an inevitable and therefore necessary part of the process.But at the same time, I'm also happy with the idea that everything lacks any greater meaning outside of its own universal context.
If you accept the metaphor then we are indeed cursed by it.
If we see it only as a metaphor then the fact remains we are cursed.
This proves both views are dangerous either as a metaphor or a fact.
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@Best.Korea
Think about it.Hell would probably have these premises:P1. People who are in Hell wouldnt know that they are in Hell. This is to make sure their hope builts up, to make sure they get disappointed.P2. All people in Hell would be sinners.P3. All people in Hell would be suffering in some way.P4. People would be able to die so they can be born again, but they would not remember it. This makes sure that there is a constant fear of death.P5. People would be worried and scared about what happens after they die, and this cycle would repeat eternally.Earth easily fits all 5 premises.
North Korea would be a good example of hell on earth.
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@Owen_T
This questions is mainly for use CatholicApologetics, though it would be great it anyone else wanted to contribute their opinion.Grated, there is evidence for Christianity and the resurrection, but the Bible also has some pretty sexist things, as well as some messed up stuff about slavery, unbelievable stories about Noah's ark, and about the universe popping into existence, which has no scientific evidence, or how a loving god sends people to eternal suffering for being raised in a Muslim family. Not to mention all of the contradictions.These are the main things that lead me away from the church.The question is, how much of the bible do you think is the actual word of god, and how much of it do you think is flawed by the workings of man?
The Jews that wrote the Bible were the least civilized people at that time. They were behind the Egyptians, Babylonians, Romans, China, India. The Jews did not contribute to science or medicine. The Holocaust did not change their situation or the world.
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@rosends
it is fun to watch people jealous of Jews and Judaism invent fantasies to feed their delusions and sense of inferiority.I hope that people who have any actual questions and recognize the need to learn instead of spewing stupidity will ask questions and create opportunities for intellectual advancement and growth.Meanwhile, I will just watch insanity from the sidelines.
Jews bombing Palestinian civilians is basically a Judaism tenant.
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is a biblical concept spoken by Jesus in Luke 6:31 and Matthew 7:12; it is commonly referred to as the "Golden Rule." "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets" (Matthew 7:12).
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@Best.Korea
Do to others before they do it to you.Isnt this a simple religious law to follow?How is this better than what Jesus said?
Is that how you avoid waiting for others to do it to you?
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@Best.Korea
Is it because you lead with your dick?
Thats not always true.People just want to control my dick.
Because you let them control it.
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@Moozer325
In short, If I believed that there was an all powerful being that created absolute moral truths, then I would do exactly as the being said to the best of my ability.This is why I don’t understand Christian churches that accept gay people and treat women as equals. Not that those are bad things, but if you believe that the Bible is the word of god, then you should follow its teachings.I hate Christian’s who demean women and gays, but I respect them more than I do liberal Christians.
Jesus surrounded himself with 12 men and forgave a woman for sinning. Because all the 12 disciples were killed Christians believed they were gay. And when Jesus too was crucified it confirmed their beliefs that he was gay too.
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@Best.Korea
People just want to control my dick.
Is it because you lead with your dick?
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@Moozer325
Do apes digest fruit’s differently? The consequences were less severe on them.
I don’t see your point.
Only humans were cursed. Apes and monkeys freely ate the fruit.
Genesis 3
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Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, `You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
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The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden,
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but God did say, `You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.'"
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"You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman.
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"For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
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When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
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Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
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Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
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But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"
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He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."
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And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?"
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The man said, "The woman you put here with me--she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it."
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Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."
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So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, "Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.
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And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring [1] and hers; he will crush [2] your head, and you will strike his heel."
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To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."
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To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, `You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.
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It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field.
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By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return."
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Adam [3] named his wife Eve, [4] because she would become the mother of all the living.
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The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them.
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And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."
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So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.
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After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side [5] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
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@Best.Korea
I chose Hell, since Heaven is not better.
Deuteronomy 30:15-20
15 "Today I am giving you a choice between good and evil, between life and death.
16 If you obey the commands of the Lord your God, which I give you today, if you love him, obey him, and keep all his laws, then you will prosper and become a nation of many people. The Lord your God will bless you in the land that you are about to occupy.
17 But if you disobey and refuse to listen, and are led away to worship other gods,
18 you will be destroyed - I warn you here and now. You will not live long in that land across the Jordan that you are about to occupy.
19 I am now giving you the choice between life and death, between God's blessing and God's curse, and I call heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Choose life.
20 Love the Lord your God, obey him and be faithful to him, and then you and your descendants will live long in the land that he promised to give your ancestors, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob."
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@Best.Korea
I draw a satanic sign on my hand. Then I pray for Satan to possess me. I think I am on the right path.
You should put a satanic sign on all the parts of your body that you want burnt. That is how your friends are burning in hell.
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@WyIted
I really gotta say that Judiasm makes a lot more sense once you realize that Jews don't actually LIKE their God even though they follow his commandments. It's like if you lived under an oppressive government.
You might be wrong. Jews LIKE their God it is his commandments they have a problem following. The Jews are the most persecuted people because of their beliefs in their God yet they proclaim Judaism as their religion.
It is the Christians that don’t actually LIKE their God (they crucified him), even though they follow his commandments.
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@Best.Korea
I want to make friends with Satan and all of his demons, so I have lots of Satanic symbols in the house.I often say prayers to Satan in the middle of the night.I draw Satanic circles according to instructions I found on google, even tho I dont think google is reliable enough.Is there some book on dark magic which I need?I found this spell where you write a person's name on paper, and put glass filled half with water on it, say words and person becomes obedient to you.I am interested in dark magic. I think it can be useful.
Why don’t you ask your friends who are already burning in hell how they found Satan?
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@Best.Korea
I chose Hell, since Heaven is not better.
So you going to hell was a choice. We have your confession.
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@Best.Korea
Burning in Heaven is worse for me.
You are afraid you will burn wherever you go. You apocalyptic views follow you.
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@Best.Korea
Heaven is the same as Hell for anyone who is like me, thus for all my friends.
So you didn’t choose hell. You just don’t know the difference.
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@PGA2.0
Your reasoning is so lame once again, ignoring the plain message of Scripture and twisting it into an unrecognizable pretzel.Jesus did not come to do His own will but the will of His Father, as prophesied. He became a human being to be obedient to God as a human being, thus meet the righteous requirements of God. He also became obedient to death to meet God's penalty for sin. Jesus understood the necessity of dying in the place of others, the innocent for the guilty, that He would reconcile sinners to God.And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.”saying, “Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done.”Acting in His human capacity, Jesus said:“I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.Jesus becoming flesh and blood (human) came to do the will of God the Father.Jesus *said to them, “My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me and to accomplish His work.Matthew 26:53-54 (NASB)
53 Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54 How then will the Scriptures be fulfilled, which say that it must happen this way?”I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him.But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.So Jesus said, “When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and I do nothing on My own initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught Me.
Those verses are Jesus’s own words asking people not to believe him, that he was capable of doing nothing. How could he claim to fulfil Daniel’s prophecy when he couldn’t even answer when it would happen?
Matthew 24:36
No One Knows the Day or Hour
36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of [a]heaven, but My Father only.
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@Best.Korea
I will burn with them.
How comforting will that be to those already burning in hell?
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@Best.Korea
We are all going to Hell. It doesnt matter who leads.
Now you want to drag the rest of us to hell.
There is no hell for believers--no judgment awaiting us on account of our sins since they have been atoned for by the death of Jesus. God' wrath has been fully propitiated when it fell on the Son at Calvary.
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@zedvictor4
You do realise that the fruit thing was a metaphor?Made up by a bloke, who was told not to play with his willy, or anyone else's for that matter.And not to keep dressing up in his sister's fig leaves.Don't know who told him this, but who ever it was, was a hypocrite.
Can a metaphor be more damaging than if it were a fact? Both views are extreme.
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@Moozer325
How is a proven fact an extreme view? Also, humans aren’t descended from apes, we share a common ancestor.
Do apes digest fruit’s differently? The consequences were less severe on them.
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@Best.Korea
I want to spread the dark laws of Satan, such as freedom.I think many people here are watchmen of Satan.
Haven’t you done enough damage seeing your friends burning in hell.
I cannot enjoy if my friends are burning in Hell, nor would I want to enjoy while my friends are burning.
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@Best.Korea
I have plenty of friends, sadly.
Something should make you ask why your friends all prefer to burn in hell rather than follow your lead?
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@IlDiavolo
Anything is superior to biblical creationism.A more serious and fun debate would be evolutionism vs panspermia, for example.
The choice between being descendants of apes to losing immortality for eating a fruit are both extreme views.
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@Best.Korea
Well, I guess I go to Hell to burn forever then. Simple enough.
"One who has unreliable friends soon comes to ruin, " —Proverbs 18:24
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@Best.Korea
I cannot enjoy if my friends are burning in Hell, nor would I want to enjoy while my friends are burning.
"One who has unreliable friends soon comes to ruin, " —Proverbs 18:24
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@Best.Korea
Best.Korea: Reward me, Satan. I have sinned.
John 8:11 Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
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@Best.Korea
Best.Korea:I wouldnt want to be in heaven if my friends are in hell.
Reply:You are known by the company you keep.
Best.Korea: I wouldnt feel good in heaven knowing that my friends are burning in hell.
Reply: That is your guilt taking over for deserting your friends.
Best.Korea:Only a person with no empathy could enjoy while others are burning.
Reply: it is easier to enjoy when you are not burning.
Best.Korea: This simply proves Christianity to be false beyond a reasonable doubt.
Reply: Christianity did not sent them to hell. Their actions did.
Best.Korea:There is no way to disagree with this.
Reply: it is better not to be burning in hell, even you cannot disagree.
Best.Korea: You are either a psychopath who can live in peace knowing that many people are burning alive, either you will constantly feel bad in heaven which then turns heaven into hell.
Reply: Heaven is far separated from hell. You won’t feel the burning heat or see their pain.
Best.Korea: Or God will make you forget about hell, which makes you a mindless sheep.
Reply: you will thank God for saving you from hell, even if you are a mindless sheep.
Best.Korea:There is no way out of this one.
Reply: not if you want to join your friends.
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@Best.Korea
Jesus was too ugly to be raped.
Isaiah 53:3
He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their faces he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
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@Best.Korea
What did God do to Jesus for him to blame God?
Matthew 27:46
About three o'clock, Jesus shouted, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
Isaiah 53:3
He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their faces he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
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Jesus is mentioned in the Book of Isaiah and Bool of Malachi as the Messiah who will deliver the Jews from their bondage. The New Testament is the fulfillment of that promise.
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@Castin
The Bible is story of deliverance by God of the Jewish people from the acts of Moses to the prophecies found in the book of Isaiah and Book of Malachi.
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@RaymondSheen
The Bible is the invention of the Jewish people to reconstruct Jewish history so as to compete with its more advanced and sophisticated neighbours like the Egyptians and Babylonian’s.
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@Sidewalker
Seeing how the Jews failed miserably with God and has to be punished repeatedly throughout their history. The Muslims elected to pray to god more frequently. Which explains why they were blessed with 2/3 of the worlds oil reserves.
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@Best.Korea
Jesus is a true historical figure. Read my post on “The case for the historical Jesus.”
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@sadolite
Politician have a first amendment right. It’s to protect them from the nonsense they say in public. Trump is a good example.
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@Tradesecret
Jesus wasn’t against divorce, he was against marriage. At 33 he remain an unmarried jew. Which was very unusual for his time.
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@Double_R
Objective facts are foundational.No, they're not. We're talking now about epistemology, which literally translates into "the study of knowledge". An objective fact in this context has to be accepted as such, which requires a mental process to get to that point. That process is what epistemology is, that's what we're discussing.In other words, foundational premises are the very ground we stand on before we can accept anything as an objective fact. So no, objective facts are not foundational.
Epistemology is not a process to determine what is subjective or objective. It is a study of what we know or don’t know.
Objective facts are built on facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, ...and therefore foundational.
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@zedvictor4
Well, I don't struggle.
Is it because the case of the Historical Jesus was written in a way that was easily digestible?
And in the truest definition of the word, I am atheist.Though I might loosely be regarded as having some deistic type data on board. But not in the magical mystery man sense of the word.
By not confusing your deistic type data with the magical mystery man sense of the word. You will have less unknowns in your life or profile.
As for the character popularly referred to as Jesus, I think that I have already stated to you that I think it highly likely to have been based upon a real human being. But was he the son of a GOD that raped a virgin, I doubt it very much. Hence, we have tales of mystery men, embellished with misogynistic fantasy. In short, a mythology.
Thank you for admitting on this thread you accept the Historical Jesus did exist.
The Bible does not say the Historical Jesus raped a virgin. In fact there is no mention of Jesus in any intimate relationship with women. The son of God is in the Bible. You are propagating the myth Jesus raped a virgin. So yes there are others like you who spread this mythology.
Ascension into modernity is certainly a dramatic turn of phrase, but only really means spreading and becoming popular relative to intellectual and social development. Though I'm not sure how well misogyny and rape ascend into Western modernity. But I suppose if you drum this stuff into children's heads soon enough, they will grow up accepting it as acceptable.
Jesus’s ascension into modernity was dramatic and 2 billion Christians will attest to that. True his ascension into modernity would not have been possible without means of spreading and becoming popular relative to intellectual and social development.
Misogyny and rape ascended into western culture independently so did millions of bastards till abortions put a check on its growth. But with th3 Supreme Court abolishing abortions they (bastards) will grow up accepting it as acceptable.
Nonetheless, people are still searching for something that cannot be found, and so are still heavily reliant upon fantasy hypotheses.
But if they were looking for the historical Jesus instead of still heavily reliant upon fantasy hypotheses, they would have found him as easily as you did by just reading the case for the Historical Jesus.
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Let’s take a look at the claims made in post#512 and separate truth from fiction.
Claim: Mithras was born of a virgin on December 25th, in a cave, attended by shepherds
Truth: Mithras was actually born out of solid rock, leaving a hole in the side of a mountain (presumably described as a “cave”). He was not born of a virgin (unless you consider the rock mountain to have been a virgin). His birth was celebrated on December 25th, but the first Christians knew this was not the true date of Christ’s birth anyway, and both Mithraic worshippers and the early Roman Church borrowed this celebration from earlier winter solstice celebrations. Shepherds are part of Mithraism, witnessing his birth and helping Mithras emerge from the rock, but interestingly, the shepherds exist in the birth chronology at a time when humans are not supposed to have been yet born. This, coupled with the fact the earliest version of this part of the Mithraic mythology emerges one hundred years after the appearance of the New Testament, infers it is far more likely this portion of Mithraism was borrowed from Christianity rather than the other way around.
Claim: Mithras was considered a great traveling teacher and master
Truth: There is nothing in the Mithraic tradition indicating he was a teacher of any kind, but he was could have been considered a master of sorts. This would not be unexpected of any deity, however. Most mythologies describe their gods in this way.
Claim: Mithras had 12 companions or disciples
Truth: There is no evidence for any of this in the traditions of Iran or Rome. It is possible the idea Mithras had 12 disciples is simply derived from murals in which Mithras is surrounded by twelve signs and personages of the Zodiac (two of whom are the moon and the sun). Even this imagery is post Christian, and, therefore, did not contribute to the imagery of Christianity (although it could certainly have borrowed from Christianity).
Claim: Mithras promised his followers immortality
Truth: While there is little evidence for this, it is certainly reasonable to think Mithras might have offered immortality, as this is not uncommon for any God of mythology.
Claim: Mithras performed miracles
Truth: Of course this is true, as this too was not uncommon for mythological characters.
Claim: Mithras sacrificed himself for world peace
Truth: There is little or no evidence this is true, although there is a story about Mithras slaying a threatening bull in a heroic deed. But that’s about as close as it gets.
Claim: Mithras was buried in a tomb and after three days rose again, and Mithras was celebrated each year at the time of His resurrection (later to become Easter)
Truth: There is nothing in the Mithraic tradition indicating he ever even died, let alone resurrected. Tertullian did write about Mithraic believers re-enacting resurrection scenes, but he wrote about this occurring well after New Testament times. Christianity could not, therefore, have borrowed from Mithraic traditions, but the opposite could certainly be true.
Claim: Mithras was called “the Good Shepherd”, and was identified with both the Lamb and the Lion
Truth: There is no evidence that Mithras was ever called “the Good Shepherd” or identified with a lamb, but since Mithras was a sun-god, there was an association with Leo (the House of the Sun in Babylonian astrology), so one might say he was associated with a Lion. But once again, all of this evidence is actually post New Testament; Mithraic believers may once again have borrowed this attribute from Christianity.
Claim: Mithras was considered to be the “Way, the Truth and the Light,” and the “Logos,” “Redeemer,” “Savior” and “Messiah.”
Truth: Based on the researched and known historic record of the Mithraic traditions, none of these terms has ever been applied to Mithras with the exception of “mediator”. But this term was used in a very different from how Christians used the term. Mithras was not the mediator between God and man but the mediator between the good and evil gods of Zoroaster.
Claim: Mithraic believers celebrated Sunday as Mithras’ sacred day (also known as the “Lord’s Day,”)
Truth: This tradition of celebrating Sunday is only true of Mithraic believers in Rome and it is a tradition that dates to post Christian times. Once again, it is more likely to have been borrowed from Christianity than the other way around.
Claim: Mithraic believers celebrated a Eucharist or “Lord’s Supper”
Truth: Followers of Mithras did not celebrate a Eucharist, but they did celebrate a fellowship meal regularly, just as did many other groups in the Roman world.
From this quick examination of the Mithraic comparisons, it should be obvious Mithras isn’t much like Jesus after all. It’s not unusual for the characteristics of ancient pre-Christian deities to be exaggerated in an effort to make them sound like Jesus. The first step in refuting such claims is to simply investigate the attributes carefully. Beyond this, we must also recognize the expectations and yearnings people have related to the existence of God. The Bible rightly describes this yearning and the innate knowledge each of us has related to God’s existence (Romans 1:18-20 and 2:12-16). We shouldn’t be surprised ancient people (created in the image of God) would think deeply about the nature of this God. Many alleged similarities between pre-Christian mythologies and Jesus are extremely general in nature and would be expected from anyone considering the existence of a Divine Creator. Primitive cultures interested in God’s nature reasoned He would have the ability to perform miracles, teach humans and form disciples. These universal expectations fail to invalidate the historicity of Jesus. As Paul recognized on Mars Hill (Acts 17:22-31), men thought deeply about the nature of God prior to His arrival as Jesus. Sometimes they imagined the details correctly, sometimes they didn’t.
The pagan cult Mithraism was replaced by Christianity. Iran today is a Muslim country. No mention of this cult in India or China.
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The younger generation are better informed because they use the technology whereas the older generation only speculated about it.
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Builds a good case to reinstate abortion so we have less bastards in American politics.
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@zedvictor4
--> @ShilaAs long as the masses are kept at a level relative to affordability, things will be just fine.People will still waste money on the unnecessary
You finally came around to agreeing with my conclusion.
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@zedvictor4
--> @ShilaMaybe so. But that doesn't confirm your identity.
You have even less information to confirm your own identity.
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Falun Gong religious cult
It is sad but also fortunate that Americans have a reliable source the Falun Gong other than their incompetent CDC.
China released DNA of Covid-19 virus to the WHO as soon as it was identified. They also shutdown Wuhan and absorbed the economic losses to control the spread. Now they are helping Americans deal with their lying government.
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@Elliott
--> @ShilaIf Christians can learn about God, they can surely learn Esperanto. The same cannot be said about Atheists.What is to stop atheists learning Esperanto? In fact, I have known only known one person who had learnt Esperanto and they also happened to be an atheist.Atheists can also learn about god, however you want to define god, it’s not difficult.
The fact we have the Bible translated into Esperanto is proof Christians demanded it.
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