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I am going  to draw the small differences between Christianity and Catholicism.

Catholicism

Place of origin Roman province of Judea, which is part of present-day Israel, Palestine and Lebanon
Place of worship Church, chapel, cathedral, basilica.
Use of statues and pictures Crosses, statues and pictures are acceptable in Catholicism. Catholics widely use them as depictions of Christ, Mary, and the Saints.
Belief of God One God: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Apostles and Nicene's Creed states beliefs
Clergy Heirarchial clergy in Holy Orders Deacons, monks, nuns, Priests and Bishops, other ranks are only offices (archibshop, cardinal Pope etc. although several other offices also exist)
Founder Jesus Christ, St. Peter the Apostle.
Literal Meaning catholic - from the Greek adjective καθολικός, (katholikos) meaning "general" or "universal".
Life after death Eternal Salvation in Heaven; Eternal Damnation in Hell; Temporal third state before Heaven for those who desire purification, known as Purgatory.
Means of salvation Received at baptism; may be lost by mortal sin; salvation through faith and penance. Belief in Jesus as the sole savior of humanity. Must have a relationship with Jesus. Good Works. Seven Sacraments.
Human Nature Man has inherited "original sin" from Adam. Mankind then is inherently evil and is in need of forgiveness of their sin.
Practices Catholics are expected to participate in the liturgical life, celebrate and revere Jesus' sacrifice on the cross at Mass. The celebration of seven sacraments Baptism, Eucharist, Confirmation, Matrimony, Anointing of Sick, Holy Orders and Confession.
Goal of religion To give glory to God and share Eternal Life in Him.
View of the Buddha N/A
Marriage Marriage is sacrament between one man and one woman. Divorce does not exist in Catholicism, but there is annulment (that the marriage was invalid to begin with) by competent church official.
Confessing sins Confess to priests for absolution from sins in the name of Christ (John 20:22-23). Prayer to the Saints.
Religious Law 10 Commandments, Canon law , Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), papal decrees and orders.
About Belonging to the Church Founded By Christ, when He chose St. Peter as His Rock (first Pope). Apostles creed gives summary of Catholic creed, man fell and Christ came to redeem mankind.
Concept of Deity Believe in the Trinity. Three persons in one God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Holy days Sundays; Solemnity of Mary, January 1; Ascension of Jesus, May 13 — Celebrated on the sixth Thursday after Easter Sunday; Solemnity of All Saints, November 1; Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary, December 8; Christmas, December 25
Second coming of Jesus Affirmed.
God's role in salvation God sent His only Divine Son to save humanity from their sins.
Belief Believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, the King of Heaven, and Saviour of the entire world.
Holy days/Official Holidays Sunday (The Lord's Day), Advent, Christmas, Lent, Holy Week, Easter, Pentecost.
Religion which atheists may still be adherents of None. Faith is integral to Catholicism, a christian who rejects Christianity altogether is considered an Apostate. Atheism is a sin against Faith.
Identity of Jesus God Incarnate. Son of the Father. The Messiah saviour of mankind sole mediator between God and man.
Position of Mary The Queen of all Saints. View is similar to the Orthodox church - the title 'Mother of God' being used more commonly than Theotokos. In addition, it is claimed that at various points in history, Mary has revealed herself to the world in apparitions.
Virtue on which religion is based upon Love.
Original Languages Latin and Greek; Aramaic, Hebrew.
Population 1.33 Billion Globally
Geographical distribution and predominance Roman Catholic church is located in Vatican City, an independent City-state. Catholicism is geographically dispersed throughout the world. 69% of Catholics are located in Latin America.
Scriptures Holy Bible, a collection of 73 canonical books in two parts, 46 in the Old Testament, and 27 in the New Testament.
Goal of Philosophy Eternal Salvation.
Promised Holy one. Second Coming of Christ
Birth of Jesus Virgin Birth, through God.
Resurrection of Jesus Affirmed
Authority of Dalai Lama N/A.
Death of Jesus Death by Crucifixion, Resurrection, and Ascent to Hevean
View of other Abrahamic religions According to Catholic doctrine, Catholicism is the original Christian Church. Christianity is the true religion, and Catholicism is true Christianity.
Ressurection of Jesus Affirmed
Branches Latin rite & Eastern rite and as of 2008 the Anglo-Catholic derivative of Latin Rite; Orthodox Christianity.
Praying to Saints, Mary, and Angel Allowed. They can intercede with God on your behalf.
View of other Dharmic religions N/A
Rites 7 Sacraments: Baptism, Eucharist, Penance, Confirmation, Marriage, Holy Orders, Anointing of the Sick; exorcisms, blessings of objects, dedication of churches sacred garments installation into clerical offices. Roman Missal and eastern rites.
Day of worship Worship should be a continual process in the lives of Roman Catholics. Sunday is not the only day Catholics can attend Church for Mass.
Offshoot religions Protestant denominations and many others.
Use of statues Permitted. Statues are not worshipped.
Authority of Pope Successor of St. Peter.
Original Language Ecclesiastical Latin and Greek; also Aramaic and Hebrew historically. Vernacular languages are permitted.
Prophet Moses, Abraham, John the Baptist, many others.
View of Animistic religions Pagan Idolatrous.
Legislation Canon Law, diocesan Law, Papal Decree.
View of other Oriental religions N/A.
Direction of Prayer Facing the Blessed Sacrament (when in Church).
Purgatory Affirmed
View of God Trinitarian: God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.


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Such is some of the stuff that people make up.

After all, overthink is our specialism.
I have built the case for the historical Jesus. Do you accept the Historical Jesus existed?
It is incredible to see the Historical Jesus’s ascension into modernity. I present   the facts followed by the reasons. It is part of the research I am doing to help struggling atheists.
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I am going  to draw the small differences between Christianity and Catholicism.

First Christianity.

Place of Origin  Roman province of Judea.
Place of worship Church, chapel, cathedral, basilica, home bible study, personal dwellings.
Use of statues and pictures In Catholic & Orthodox Churches.
Belief of God One God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Trinity.
Clergy Priests, bishops, ministers, monks, and nuns.
Founder The Lord Jesus Christ.
Literal Meaning Follower Of Christ.
Life after death Through Christ's Passion, Death, and Resurrection.
Human Nature Man has inherited "original sin" from Adam. Mankind then is inherently evil and is in need of forgiveness of sin. By knowing right and wrong Christians choose their actions. Humans are a fallen, broken race in need of salvation and repair by God.
Practices Prayer, sacraments (some branches), worship in church, reading of the Bible, acts of charity, communion.
Goal of religion To love God and obey his commandments while creating a relationship with Jesus Christ and spreading the Gospel so that others may also be saved.
View of the Buddha N/A.
Marriage A Holy Sacrament.
Confessing sins Protestants confess straight to God, Catholic confess mortal sins to a Priest, and venial sins straight to God (Orthodox have similar practice) Anglicans confess to Priests but considered optional. God always forgives sins in Jesus.
Religious Law Varies among denominations. Has existed among Catholics in the form of canon law.
About. Christianity broadly consists of individuals who believe in the deity Jesus Christ. Its followers, called Christians, often believe Christ is "the Son" of the Holy Trinity and walked the earth as the incarnate form of God ("the Father").
Concept of Deity 1 God, in 3 Divine Persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Holy days Christmas (celebration of the birth of Jesus), Good Friday (death of Jesus), Sunday (day of rest), Easter (resurrection of Jesus), Lent (Catholicism), saints' feast days.
Second coming of Jesus Affirmed.
God's role in salvation Humans cannot save themselves or ascend on their own to a higher level. Only God is good and therefore only God is able to save a person. Jesus came down from Heaven to save mankind.
Belief The Nicene Creed sums up Christian belief in the Holy Trinity.
Holy days/Official Holidays The Lord's Day; Advent, Christmas; New Year, Lent, Easter, Pentecost, every day is dedicated to a Saint.
Religion which atheists may still be adherents of No.
Identity of Jesus The Son Of God.
Position of Mary . Mother Of Jesus. Revered in all denominations. Degree of reverence varies from denomination.
Virtue on which religion is based upon Love and justice.
Original Languages Aramaic, Common (Koine) Greek, Hebrew.
Population Over two billion adherents worldwide.
Geographical distribution and predominance As the largest religion in the world, Christianity has adherents are all over the world. As a % of local population, Christians are in a majority in Europe, North and South America, and Australia and New Zealand.
Scriptures The Holy Bible
Goal of Philosophy Objective reality. Worship of God who created life, the universe, and is eternal. Christianity has its own philosophy, found in the Bible. That philosophy is Salvation from sin, through the Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Promised Holy one. Second Coming of Christ
Birth of Jesus Virgin Birth, through God.
Resurrection of Jesus Affirmed
Authority of Dalai Lama N/A.
Death of Jesus Death by crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension to heaven. Will return.
View of other Abrahamic religions Judaism is regarded as a True religion but incomplete (without Gospel, and Messiah) Islam is regarded as a false religion, Christianity does not accept the Qur'an as true.
Ressurection of Jesus Affirmed.
Branches Roman Catholics, independent Catholics, Protestants (Anglicans, Lutherans etc.), Orthodox (Greek orthodox, Russian orthodox).
Praying to Saints, Mary, and Angel Encouraged in the Catholic & Orthodox Churches; most Protestants only pray directly to God.
View of other Dharmic religions N/A
Rites Seven sacraments: Baptism, confirmation, Eucharist, penance, anointing of the sick, holy orders, matrimony (Catholic and Orthodox). Anglicans: Baptism and Eucharist. Other denominations: Baptism and communion.
Day of worship Sunday (most denominations), Saturday (Seventh-Day Adventist, Seventh-Day Baptist)
Offshoot religions. Rastafarianism, Universalism, Deism, Masonry and Mormonism.
Use of statues Varies by denomination. Not used in Protestant denominations; icons are used in Catholic & Orthodox denominations.
Authority of Pope Leader and overseer of the Catholic Church. his authority is completely rejected by Protestants, and is viewed by Orthodox as first among equals. Orthodox and Protestants reject Papal infallibility and Papal supremacy.
Original Language Aramaic, Greek, and Latin
Prophet Moses, Samuel, Nathan, Elijah, Elisha, etc., as well as both Johns in the New Testament too.
View of Animistic religions Paganism is Heathenism. Witchcraft is communication and interaction with demons, fallen evil angelic beings. These have no real interest ultimately, in helping their worshipers. Demonic possession is common.
Legislation Varies through denomination.
View of other Oriental religions N/A.
Direction of Prayer Catholics and Orthodox usually face the Tabernacle in their prayers but it is not considered necessary, but recommended. God is present everywhere recent reforms have prompted many Christians to not face anywhere in their prayers.
Purgatory Believed in by various denominations. It is debated in Christianity.
View of God One Trinity God, Who Is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

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@BrotherD.Thomas
If whiteflame follows through, like he said he would in his post #419, then you are gone from this Religion Forum where you didn't belong in the first place by clogging up the Religion Forum Topic Page by bringing forth threads months and years ago, and this is barring your SMUTTY Satanic talk and your outright Bible stupidity, therefore praise Jesus’ revenge upon you in making Him embarrassed over your actions upon this forum! 


NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN WOMAN THAT WANTS TO BE LIKE "SHILA" AND SLAP THE MODERATOR WHITEFLAME IN THE FACE BY NOT FOLLOWING HIS REQUEST IN NOT TO BREAK COC RULES AGAIN, WILL BE ...?
How about Stephen  being smutty towards you?

Read what Stephen said to you BrotherD.


You mean you fucked up.  And feel quite the penis I said you were (going to) , so not having a get out of that fkn great hole that you dug for yourself, you decided it was all a test. I see. 

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America solved the last problem of slavery with a civil war. Today there are enough guns in American hands to arrive at a more decisive solution. Or why is owning guns legal?
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Are you saying atheists are disadvantaged?
Absolutely. The benefits of Atheism are outweighed by the negatives.
You can participate in the case for the Historical Jesus to see  if you can overcome your negatives. 

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Is there any mention of a wedding between these two Joesph and Mary, Brother D.?
What about the dowery -bride price - Jew men paid for their wives? Is there any mention of that at all, in scripture, Brother D.?
Matthew 1: 16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.

BrotherD.Thomas posted.

“Anyone see STEPHEN lurking around DebateArt Religion Forum, where he continues to HIDE from my post #51 above that continues to show him as one of the most bible ignorant members on this forum?

Let me know if you see him, and if he is not to scared and pissing his pants, tell him to address yet another embarrassing post above where I have BIBLE-SLAPPED him once again in the name of Jesus!

Stephen is just making it too easy for me.

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BrotherD.Thomas posted.

Stephen,

YOUR REVEALING QUOTE: " Conceived out of wedlock, should say it all."

Good call!  I forgot this fact that Mary was NOT married to Joseph at the time of Jesus' birth, of which makes the situation even a greater loss in the respect since Joseph was not involved in Jesus' birth, then Jesus was not born through the “fruit of the loins” from the House of David as a requirement for Jesus to be the Messiah because Mary was blood of the Levite family, whoops!  Therefore, the messianic prophecies in the gospels are NOT fulfilled by Jesus, and therefore fall flat upon their face!  

Damn biblical axioms are a pain in the ass when trying to defend Jesus in what He is supposed to represent.  :(
Read your  bible you you foul mouthed pervert.

Joseph had already pledged to marry Mary and even thought of divorcing her when he heard she was pregnant.

Joseph accepts Jesus as his son.
Matthew 1:16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.
Matthew 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about[d]: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. 19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet[e] did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.
20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[f] because he will save his people from their sins.”
22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”[g] (which means “God with us”).
24 When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25 But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

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JESUS IS A BASTARD!When Jesus is God as shown within the Bible, then in the virgin birth scenario, Jesus spiritually “celestially impregnated” his own mother Mary through godly incest. When Jesus did this act, He not only became Mary’s son, but his own Father as being Yahweh/God incarnate, and a bastard child through true Hebrew tradition as being a mazer because Joseph was not the paternal father. :(
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Stephen wrote:  Conceived out of wedlock, should say it all.
So Stephen also believes Jesus as a fetus impregnated his own mother Mary just as BrotherD.Thomas claims.

Here are some of your posts addressing BrotherD.Thomas.


Stephen wrote: You mean you fucked up.  And feel quite the penis I said you were, so not having a get out of that fkn great hole that you dug for yourself, you decided it was all a test. I see


What Stephen said about you BrotherD. See link. Post#37.

Stephen wrote: “Says the clown that doesn't know his Ark from his own arse. ”


Here is what BrotherD. said about you.


Stephen,

Okay, we get it! You are vying to be the most dumbfounded of biblical knowledge on DebatArt Religion Forum! Furthermore, you are already the number one RUN AWAY from your bible ignorance on DebateArt, where I forgot to congratulate you earlier!

Now, you once again remove one foot to insert the other AGAIN in your vain attempts to "think" you know the Bible, where you DO NOT!

YOUR BIBLE IGNORANCE HAVING NO BOUNDS QUOTE POST #8: "Is this clown speak!?  The only part of that whole sentence that rings true, is the fact that Timothy, quite plainly states Jesus is in fact a "MAN", and not a  god. We should expect nothing less from ' brother' buffoon who knows not his Ark from his own arse;"

The passage in question: "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," (1 Timothy 2:5)

Let me help you break this verse down that runs against your continued bible ignorance, okay? Ready?

1. "For there is one God" equals Jesus the Christ as God where 1 Timothy 3:15-16 and many other narratives so states, GET IT?

2. "and there is one mediator between God and men" equals Jesus between Himself as Yahweh God incarnate and men, UNDERSTOOD?

3. "the man Christ Jesus" equals the words stating that Jesus is God, DO YOU GET IT YET?

Stephen, I can understand that you are trying so hard in not making Jesus God because of your one of many other posts that shows you to be vying to be the most bible ignorant on DebateArt listed below. You actually stated that all divisions of Christianity make Jesus the Son of God, where you were BLATANTLY WRONG again! You are still RUNNING AWAY from your embarrassment within this post!



Regarding your perceived notion of the Ark contradiction, I have explained this many times where I was testing the threads members, but yet you hang on to this situation as if you have a "gotcha!" against me, where compared to the following embarrassing and bible ignorant posts of yours shown below, CONVERSELY YOU ARE LAUGHABLE TO THE CORE!  LOL!

STEPHEN BEING “SCHOOLED” UPON JESUS’ MIRACLES:


STEPHEN BEING “SCHOOLED” UPON LUKE 14:26


STEPHEN “SCHOOLED” ON JESUS’ CRUCIFIXION AND RESURRECTION THAT HE RAN AWAY FROM:


STEPHEN “SCHOOLED” AGAIN WHEN HE DISAGREES WITH STRONG’S CONCORDANCE RELATIVE TO LUKE 14:26


STEPHEN HAVING A HARD TIME IN NOT UNDERSTANDING THE FORGIVENESS OF SIN DOCTRINE, DUH


STEPHEN RUNS AWAY FROM ANOTHER POST OF MINE WITH LAME LITTLE BOY EXCUSES BECAUSE HE CANNOT ADDRESS IT

STEPHEN RUNS AWAY FROM YET ANOTHER OF MY POSTS SHOWING HIM TO BE AS BIBLE IGNORANT AS DR. “C&P” FRANKLIN


STEPHEN FAILS TO REALIZE THAT HIS RUSE PERTAINING TO BIBLICAL SCRIPTURES GOES SEVERELY WANTING AT ALL TIMES


Question, when do we expect you to go into HIDING on DebateArt to save what face you have left upon this forum? Huh? LOL!!! Now, go and lick your wounds that I have easily inflicted upon you once again, where your bible ignorance has absolutely no bounds!



“Anyone see STEPHEN lurking around DebateArt Religion Forum, where he continues to HIDE from my post #51 above that continues to show him as one of the most bible ignorant members on this forum?

Let me know if you see him, and if he is not to scared and pissing his pants, tell him to address yet another embarrassing post above where I have BIBLE-SLAPPED him once again in the name of Jesus! 

Stephen is just making it too easy for me.”

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BrotherD.Thomas posted.

Shila, the upmost Bible fool this forum has ever seen,

Sorry dear, but you don't have the mental capacity to realize that in you "trying" to address my posts relative to the TRUE Jesus, you runaway from biblical axioms with some of the most weakest and unbiblical refutations that are laughable on their face! LOL!!!.

THEREFORE, I AM TAKING OVER YOUR THREAD REGARDING THE HISTORICAL JESUS NOW BECAUSE YOUR BIBLE STUPIDITY GOES BEYOND REASON WHEREAS WE JUST CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE, DO YOU UNDERSTAND?!  

Run along dear, you are no longer needed in this thread. Bye, bye .............
BrotherD.You have been suspended 9 times from DebateArt. The only reason you are here is to attack Jesus and women.

Why?

Look at your misshapen mouth. It was caused by men who were attracted to your perversions.

Christians would have found a better way to shut you up. Jest saying….
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BrotherD.Thomas posted.


resends,

YOUR REVEALING QUOTE THAT PROVES MY POINT: "According to Jewish law, Jesus would not be a mamzer unless it could be proven that his father was another Jewish man."

The father in this case, was Jesus being a Jew impregnating His own mother Mary through "spiritual celestial impregnation incest." as being His own Father as I have shown in my post #489.
You are mentally unstable BrotherD. to claim Jesus is his own father because he impregnated his mother Mary.
That is not how human biology works. Mary conceived Jesus but was impregnated by her own fetus.

What Stephen said about you BrotherD. See link. Post#37.

Stephen wrote: “Says the clown that doesn't know his Ark from his own arse. ”

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BrotherD.Thomas posted.

OMG, JESUS WAS A PERVERT!

When Jesus becomes the Hebrew serial killer Yahweh God incarnate (1 Corinthians 10:1-4), then we must question Jesus in the following passage where He will discover women's secret parts!!!
So you don’t know When Jesus becomes the Hebrew serial killer Yahweh God incarnate?

You are hardly an expert on women’s secret parts. You preach to males to get them to give you a BJ. That is why your mouth is so misshapen.
The Lord says "Because the daughters of Zion are haughty and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet: Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the lord will discover their secret parts." (Isiah 3:16-17)
Learn to read. No mention of women’s secret parts in Isaiah 3:16-17.You are trying to turn the Bible into a blasphemous joke.

Isaiah 3:16 The Lord says,
    “The women of Zion are haughty,
walking along with outstretched necks,
    flirting with their eyes,
strutting along with swaying hips,
    with ornaments jingling on their ankles.
17 Therefore the Lord will bring sores on the heads of the women of Zion;
    the Lord will make their scalps bald.”
The lord in this case in the passage above, is Jesus: "If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead,you will be saved." (Romans 10:9)
That is very different from what you declared.

BrotherD., in your own words, “ I am NOT blaspheming Jesus because I have described Jesus' true historical modus operandi within the scriptures in Jesus being Yahweh God incarnate, of which you are obviously unaware of because of your complete Bible stupidity! Our Jesus we worship, as the Serial Killer Yahweh God incarnate, was embarrassingly, greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent!

Now try to justify your blasphemous claims against Jesus.

BrotherD., You  have  only finished high school and your career highest income is less than 20,000$? You are 56 years old. Learn to show respect.

Why would Jesus be pruned to discover a woman's "Secret Parts?" Do you think it was because he hung around all the time with His 12 disciple men and needed a different view, no pun intended.   Biblical narratives like this really test my faith at times, does the pseudo-christian crowd feel the same in having our Jesus looked upon as a blatant PERVERT?
Learn to read. No mention of women’s secret parts in Isaiah 3:16-17.You are trying to turn the Bible into a blasphemous joke.

Isaiah 3:16 The Lord says,
    “The women of Zion are haughty,
walking along with outstretched necks,
    flirting with their eyes,
strutting along with swaying hips,
    with ornaments jingling on their ankles.
17 Therefore the Lord will bring sores on the heads of the women of Zion;
    the Lord will make their scalps bald.”

What Stephen said about you BrotherD. See link. Post#37.

Stephen wrote: “Says the clown that doesn't know his Ark from his own arse. ”

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BrotherD.Thomas posted.

JESUS WILL "BEAT YOU!" OUCH!

All I can say is thank Jesus, as God, in that we didn't live in the days of His lifetime, whew!  This is because Jesus would have BEATEN US if we broke His statutes and His commandments, which shows once again that Jesus was not all forgiving. :(

JESUS SAID: "If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.,
but I will not take my love from him, nor will I ever betray my faithfulness" (Psalm 89:31-2) 
Jesus did not write Psalms 89. Jesus never wrote anything in his lifetime. He once scribbled something in the sand. That is about it!!

The superscription of the psalm states that it was written by Ethan the Ezrahite, who, along with Heman the Ezrahite (to whom Psalm 88 is attributed), was a wise man from the time of, or prior to, King Solomon. 1 Kings 4:31 states that Solomon "was wiser than all other men, wiser than Ethan the Ezrahite, and Heman, Calcol, and Darda, the sons of Mahol, and his fame was in all the surrounding nations" (ESV).
If we were beaten by Jesus back in His time period, I am sure He would follow this inspired passage of His shown below:

"But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more." (Luke 12:48)
During Jesus’s time you would have been stoned for blasphemy. There was no Luke during Jesus’s time either. The Gospels were written decades after Jesus died.

What Stephen said about you BrotherD. See link. Post#37.

Stephen wrote: “Says the clown that doesn't know his Ark from his own arse. ”

With this passage alone shown below, if Shila and Miss Tradesecret had lived in Jesus' time period, they would be beaten by Jesus  because of their outright Bible stupidity, praise Jesus' revenge! 

"Condemnation is ready for scoffers, and beating for the backs of fools." (Proverbs 19:29).
Proverbs was written by Solomon. There is no account in the Bible of Jesus ever beating a woman.

What Stephen said about you BrotherD. See link. Post#37.

Stephen wrote: “Says the clown that doesn't know his Ark from his own arse. ”

True Christians like myself have to accept that Jesus had a revengeful modus operandi in BEATING His followers, therefore not forgiving them whatsoever as some pseudo-christians think He does!  :(
BrotherD., in your own words, “ I am NOT blaspheming Jesus because I have described Jesus' true historical modus operandi within the scriptures in Jesus being Yahweh God incarnate, of which you are obviously unaware of because of your complete Bible stupidity! Our Jesus we worship, as the Serial Killer Yahweh God incarnate, was embarrassingly, greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent!

Now try to justify your blasphemous claims against Jesus.

BrotherD., You  have  only finished high school and your career highest income is less than 20,000$? You are 56 years old. Learn to show respect.

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BrotherD.Thomas posted.

JESUS IS A BASTARD!

When Jesus is God as shown within the Bible, then in the virgin birth scenario, Jesus spiritually “celestially impregnated” his own mother Mary through godly incest. When Jesus did this act, He not only became Mary’s son, but his own Father as being Yahweh/God incarnate, and a bastard child through true Hebrew tradition as being a mazer because Joseph was not the paternal father. :(
The Bible tells us it was the threesome that produced Jesus. The Holy Spirit, the Most High and Mary the virgin. Why don’t you read your Bible before posting here?

Luke 1:28 The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”

29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”

34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”

35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.


In the Hebrew Bible and Jewish religious law, a mamzer (Hebrew: ממזר, lit. , "estranged person"; plural mamzerim) is a person who is born as the result of certain forbidden relationships or incest (as it is defined by the Bible), or the descendant of such a person.

As if the aforementioned biblical facts about Jesus wasn’t bizarre enough, then by Joseph not being the paternal father to Jesus, but only a step-father, then when Jesus was in the act of celestially impregnating his mother Mary through spiritual incest, where poor ol’ Joseph may have heard Mary shouting; "oh GOD, oh GOD," but little did Joseph know at the time how apropos this statement was in a spiritual sex a act between Jesus and His own mother Mary.  :(


Your link does not show any spiritual sex act between Jesus and his own mother Mary. Neither does the Bible speak of such an act.
You are a pervert and your post confirms it.

Furthermore, poor Jesus in being a bastard could not enter a Hebrew church, even to the tenth generation because of the following biblical axiom: 
“No one born of a forbidden union may enter the assembly of the Lord. Even to the tenth generation, none of his descendants may enter the assembly of the Lord.” (Deuteronomy 23:2)

Therefore Jesus went against His own words as being God in Deuteronomy 23:1 shown above, when He did this act shown below of entering His own temple as being the Father, bad Jesus, tsk, tsk:

“When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!” His disciples remembered that it is written: “Zeal for your house will consume me.” (John 2: 13-17)

John explains why Jesus drove out the people in the temple courts where he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!” 

You quote John but offer a totally ridiculous explanation than what John offered.

What Stephen said about you BrotherD. See link. Post#37.

Stephen wrote: “Says the clown that doesn't know his Ark from his own arse. ”
In any event, the TRUE Christian has to accept that our serial killer Jesus was a BASTARD!  :(

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You left out 

An ex-President Spreading lies about fraudulent or rigged elections while politicians from the same party either repeat those lies or remain silent.
Trump was elected in 2016 because America needed a liar. How does that disqualify him in 2020 or 2024?
Americans see Putin lying  and yet he is the President of Russia.
Americans want the same for their President. It’s called American patriotism.
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A logic zombie is someone who blindly follows logic no matter how ridiculous the conclusions may be.

For example, you can't just blindly follow logic into idiotic beliefs like determinism and solipsism. These are obviously intellectual black holes with no utilitarian value whatsoever.

A logic zombie is just a person who can't face reality and who won't be honest with themselves.

A logic zombie is someone who never takes personal responsibility for their actions and instead blames logic for their moronic and misguided attacks on well established and incontrovertible truth.

You can't depend on logic for everything. People know deep down what is right and what is wrong. You know the truth. You just need the courage to face the facts.
Is that why you  lost 3 of your 3 debates? Your logic was lower than a zombie or totally absent like it is here.

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Shila, who tries in vain to rewrite the Bible to the way she wants it to be.

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Stephen: They all are prone to that bad and desperate habit, Brother D. It seems that it is a default of theirs once they have painted themselves into a corner and their arguments are failing miserably
Stephen that what you said about BrotherD. See link. Post#37.

Stephen wrote: “Says the clown that doesn't know his Ark from his own arse. ”

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Shila, who tries in vain to rewrite the Bible to the way she wants it to be,


1. YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE #1: “Jesus is called a mediator not God in (1 Timothy 2:5) 

In your grasping for straws quote above to try and save face because of your complete Bible stupidity, the entire passages reads: For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” (1 Timothy 2:5) “

Timothy states with specificity that there is ONE GOD, the man Christ Jesus, get it Bible fool?  YOU FAIL AGAIN! 

Lean to read scriptures.

There is one God and one mediator between God and me , the man Christ Jesus. 
Jesus is not called God, jesus is the man called Christ Jesus who is the mediator.

2. YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE #2:  “No mention of Jesus. Elijah was praying to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.”

HELLO? Who is the God of Abraham, JESUS you dumb ass Bible fool! 
Nowhere did jesus say he was the God of Abraham. He claimed before Abraham he was, and so was Adam and a generation of others came before Abraham.

Read Timothy again.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” (1 Timothy 2:5) “
Jesus is the man and mediator between God and men.
Jesus refers to Himself before the Jews using the same name that He gave Moses at the burning bush. "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I AM!” (John 8:58 )  GET IT? Jesus was the God of the Old Testament, HELLO?!
Nowhere did jesus say he was the God of Abraham. He claimed before Abraham he was, and so was Adam and a generation of others came before Abraham.

Read Timothy again.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” (1 Timothy 2:5) “
Jesus is the man and mediator between God and men.

3. YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE #3: “Peter also lied about Jesus 3 times.”

Where you get the authority to say that the following passage by Peter pertaining to Jesus as God is a lie!

Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours.”

The story of Peter’s denial appears in all four canonical gospels,
Mark 14:66
Matthew 26:69-70
Matthew 26:71-72
Luke 22:59
Matthew 26:73
 Matthew  26:75
Mark 24:72.

4. YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE #4:  “No mention of Jesus in Hosea (9:11-16). Elijah was praying to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.”

There is only ONE GOD; "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” (1 Timothy 2:5) Therefore Jesus is this ONE GOD!  I have already schooled you upon this topic, remember dear?  Therefore, Jesus is the one god in the book of Hosea 9:11-16 that miscarried the wombs of the women of Ephraim and aborted babies, and would MURDER their babies if they were born.  Sorry about Jesus' murdering nature, but we have to accept it and move on. 


Read Timothy again.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” (1 Timothy 2:5) “
Jesus is the man and mediator between God and men.


5.  YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE #5:  “The Torah, as well as the rest of the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible), does not say anything about Jesus or Mary. These texts were written hundreds of years before their time. Genesis is one of the five books in the Torah.”

The aforementioned books of the Hebrew faith do not have to mention Jesus, DUH!  Because Jesus being the ONLY GOD is referenced as being the God of the Old Testament as I have schooled you before, and as shown below:

JESUS SAID: "If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me."  (John 5:46)
John 5:46 is not in the Torah. John is in the Gospels.
JESUS SAID: “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” (John 8:58)
John 8:58 is not in the Torah.John is in the Gospels.
Paul portrays Jesus as that God that led Israel out of Egypt to the Promised Land!!!! “For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea.  They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.  They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.” (1 Corinthians 10:1-4)

Paul never met or knew Jesus.
The only exchange Paul had with Jesus was in a vision Paul had on the road to Damascus where he claims he heard a voice that said.
Acts 9:4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”


6. YOUR QUOTE TO ME TO JUSTIFY THAT JESUS IS WHO HE IS IN AS I HAVE SHOWN WITH BIBLICAL AXIOMS: “Now try to justify your blasphemous claims against Jesus.”

Dear Bible fool Shila, I have already shown Jesus to be what I have proposed, and at your embarrassing Bible ignorance and stupidity expense.  CASE CLOSED!

BrotherD., in your own words, “ I am NOT blaspheming Jesus because I have described Jesus' true historical modus operandi within the scriptures in Jesus being Yahweh God incarnate, of which you are obviously unaware of because of your complete Bible stupidity! Our Jesus we worship, as the Serial Killer Yahweh God incarnate, was embarrassingly, greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent!

Now try to justify your blasphemous claims against Jesus.

BrotherD., You  have  only finished high school and your career highest income is less than 20,000$? You are 56 years old. Learn to show respect.
NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN WOMAN LIKE THE BIBLE DUMBFOUNDED “SHILA” THAT IS GRASPING FOR STRAWS TO “TRY” AND PROVE ME WRONG ABOUT WHAT BIBLICAL AXIOMS TRUELY SAY ABOUT JESUS, WILL BE …?
You have already been proven wrong by Stephen. See link. Post#37.

Stephen wrote: “Says the clown that doesn't know his Ark from his own arse. ”
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It's foundational
Objective facts are foundational.
Then the case for the Historical Jesus must be objective and foundational.
Please post comment.


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There was some confusion, mainly on my part over the term “evolutionary advantage,” which I took to mean something that would select a genetic mutation
I think mutations can occur that make people more prone to certain types of thinking than others. 
Do you think Jesus was a mutation?
Please share your views in the Case for  the Historical Jesus by Shila.


Your profile says you are a Christian. So you must have a view  on the historical Jesus.
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YOUR QUOTE THAT WANTS TO GET RID OF STEPHEN AND MYSELF: "Maybe if DebateArt gets busy, the mods won’t put up with their nonsense."

Unfortunately for you dear, is the FACT that Stephen and I own your Bible stupidity outright, as easily shown in your "Historical Jesus" thread!  Therefore,  if anyone is to be banned it should be Shila and Miss Tradesecret because of their continued their Bible stupidity that gives this forum and Christianity a bad name! LOL!
Here is what Stephen things about the Bible and your opinion.

Stephen wrote: I am not religious but I accept the bible for what it is too, you clown. It is a jumbled mess of innuendo, half stories, ambiguous statements and at times downright lies. I just don't agree with the way it is taught. I have said many times that there is another story that lies underneath these narratives that the gospelers are desperate to hide. That is my opinion. I don't give two fks about your opinion.


Here is what you think about Jesus.
BrotherD., in your own words, “ I am NOT blaspheming Jesus because I have described Jesus' true historical modus operandi within the scriptures in Jesus being Yahweh God incarnate, of which you are obviously unaware of because of your complete Bible stupidity! Our Jesus we worship, as the Serial Killer Yahweh God incarnate, was embarrassingly, greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent!

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Shila, the over the edge Bible fool,

YOUR QUOTE FROM YOUR "TRYING SO HARD" TO PROVE THE MUSLIMS REVERE JESUS IN POST #467!!!:  "Now try to justify your blasphemous claims against Jesus."

Your feeble mind does not allow you to comprehend that what you posted about the Muslims relative to Jesus in your feeble post #467, DOES NOT remove the facts, as shown once again below for your convenience, in what the Muslims think about Christianity, that cancels out your misconceived notion that they revere Jesus, NOT!!!

1. ”O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.” (Qur’an 5:51)  

2. "Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (Qur’an 9:29) 

3.  The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (Qur’an 9:30) 

4.  "Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an." (Qur’an 8:12)  This passage relates to Jews and Christians, GET IT?

5.  Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers.” (Qur’an 2:65-66)

6.  "Muslims must not take the infidels as friends." (Qur’an 3:28)   Who are the infidels Shila, YES, Christians and Jews, GET IT?

7.  "Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them." (Qur’an 47:4) Christians are the infidels!

8.  "Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies".  (Qur’an 22:19)  Who are the unbelievers of Islam, CHRISTIANS!


See original exchange in Post#467.

BrotherD. You should have finished high school because your poor reading skills is showing. 
My post was about Islamic views about Jesus and not what the Muslims think about Christians as your post #483 suggests.

Brother D. let us compare the Islamic view of Jesus with that of your earlier expressed views on this very thread.

Islam
The Islamic faith was founded by Muhammad on the Arabian Peninsula in the early 7th Century. He claimed to be restoring the monotheistic religion corrupted by the Jews and Christians. As a result, Muslims acknowledge the impact of Jesus and recognize Him as a significant person within their own religious system. The Quran describes Jesus in the following way:

Jesus Was Born of a Virgin
The Quran describes Mary as a virgin prior to her miraculous conception. The conversation between Mary and Allah is recorded in the Quran, and Mary is told that she will conceive without the benefit of human involvement.
“She said: “Verily. I seek refuge with the Most Beneficent (Allâh) from you, if you do fear Allâh.” (The angel) said: “I am only a Messenger from your Lord, (to announce) to you the gift of a righteous son.” She said: “How can I have a son, when no man has touched me, nor am I unchaste?” He said: “So (it will be), your Lord said: ‘That is easy for Me (Allâh): And (We wish) to appoint him as a sign to mankind and a mercy from Us (Allâh), and it is a matter (already) decreed, (by Allâh).’ ” So she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a far place (i.e. Bethlehem valley about 4-6 miles from Jerusalem).” (Quran 19:18-22)

Jesus Was to Be Revered
Jesus is held in high regard within the Muslim worldview. According to a legend, when Muhammad eliminated all the images of others gods in the Ka’bah, he refused to destroy the statue of Mary and the infant Christ. Jesus remains in a position of respect and reverence within Islam. When muslims speak the name of Jesus today, they typically either say “Hazrat Eesa” (“revered Jesus”) or “Eesa alai-hiss-salaam” (“Jesus peace be upon him”).While Muslims believe Jesus was to be revered as a prophet and Apostle of God, they do not believe He was more than this:
“O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians). Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allâh aught but the truth. The Messiah ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allâh and His Word, (“Be.” – and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rûh)created by Him; so believe in Allâh and His Messengers. Say not: “Three (trinity).” Cease. (it is) better for you. For Allâh is (the only) One Ilâh (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son.” (Quran 4:171).

Jesus Was A Prophet
Islam affirms Jesus (known as “Isa” or “Eesa”) was one of God’s most important prophets:
“And Zakariyâ (Zachariya), and Yahya (John) and ‘Iesa (Jesus) and Iliyâs (Elias), each one of them was of the righteous.” (Quran 6:85)

Muslims also acknowledge Jesus was sent specifically to the Children of Israel:

“And will make him [‘Iesa (Jesus)] a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): “I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allâh’s Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allâh’s Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe.And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Taurât (Torah), and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you, and I have come to you with a proof from your Lord. So fear Allâh and obey me.Truly. Allâh is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (Alone). This is the Straight Path.” (Quran 3:49-51)

While Muhammad is described as the final prophet from God, he listed the previous prophets and included Jesus in that list. Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet, but they deny He is God:

“The Messiah [‘Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother [Maryam (Mary)] was a Siddiqah [i.e. she believed in the words of Allâh and His Books (see Verse 66:12)]. They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while Allâh does not eat). Look how We make the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to them, yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth).” (Quran 5:75)

Muslims also deny Jesus was the “Son of God”:

“And the Jews say: ‘Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allâh, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allâh. That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. Allâh’s Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth.” (Quran 9:30).

Jesus Was a Wise Teacher
Muslims acknowledge Jesus was a divinely wise teacher. The Quran reports Jesus’ disciples, as a result of His teaching, were filled with compassion and mercy:

“Then, We sent after them, Our Messengers, and We sent ‘Iesa (Jesus) ­ son of Maryam (Mary), and gave him the Injeel (Gospel). And We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him, compassion and mercy.” (Quran 57:27)

How does the Islamic view of Jesus compare with your blasphemous claims against Jesus?

BrotherD., Think carefully what you said, “ I am NOT blaspheming Jesus because I have described Jesus' true historical modus operandi within the scriptures in Jesus being Yahweh God incarnate, of which you are obviously unaware of because of your complete Bible stupidity! Our Jesus we worship, as the Serial Killer Yahweh God incarnate, was embarrassingly, greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent!

Now try to justify your blasphemous claims against Jesus.

BrotherD., You  have  only finished high school and your career highest income is less than 20,000$? You are 56 years old. Learn to show respect.

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By the way, isn't intentional cross-thread contamination against the CoC rules Brother D? Maybe you can look for me when you have the time.
Stephen, Why didn’t you look at cross-thread contamination against the CoC rules when BrotherD. was referencing  multiple links showing his attacks on you?

Here is what BrotherD. said about you.


Stephen,

Okay, we get it! You are vying to be the most dumbfounded of biblical knowledge on DebatArt Religion Forum! Furthermore, you are already the number one RUN AWAY from your bible ignorance on DebateArt, where I forgot to congratulate you earlier!

Now, you once again remove one foot to insert the other AGAIN in your vain attempts to "think" you know the Bible, where you DO NOT!

YOUR BIBLE IGNORANCE HAVING NO BOUNDS QUOTE POST #8: "Is this clown speak!?  The only part of that whole sentence that rings true, is the fact that Timothy, quite plainly states Jesus is in fact a "MAN", and not a  god. We should expect nothing less from ' brother' buffoon who knows not his Ark from his own arse;"

The passage in question: "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," (1 Timothy 2:5)

Let me help you break this verse down that runs against your continued bible ignorance, okay? Ready?

1. "For there is one God" equals Jesus the Christ as God where 1 Timothy 3:15-16 and many other narratives so states, GET IT?

2. "and there is one mediator between God and men" equals Jesus between Himself as Yahweh God incarnate and men, UNDERSTOOD?

3. "the man Christ Jesus" equals the words stating that Jesus is God, DO YOU GET IT YET?

Stephen, I can understand that you are trying so hard in not making Jesus God because of your one of many other posts that shows you to be vying to be the most bible ignorant on DebateArt listed below. You actually stated that all divisions of Christianity make Jesus the Son of God, where you were BLATANTLY WRONG again! You are still RUNNING AWAY from your embarrassment within this post!



Regarding your perceived notion of the Ark contradiction, I have explained this many times where I was testing the threads members, but yet you hang on to this situation as if you have a "gotcha!" against me, where compared to the following embarrassing and bible ignorant posts of yours shown below, CONVERSELY YOU ARE LAUGHABLE TO THE CORE!  LOL!

STEPHEN BEING “SCHOOLED” UPON JESUS’ MIRACLES:


STEPHEN BEING “SCHOOLED” UPON LUKE 14:26


STEPHEN “SCHOOLED” ON JESUS’ CRUCIFIXION AND RESURRECTION THAT HE RAN AWAY FROM:


STEPHEN “SCHOOLED” AGAIN WHEN HE DISAGREES WITH STRONG’S CONCORDANCE RELATIVE TO LUKE 14:26


STEPHEN HAVING A HARD TIME IN NOT UNDERSTANDING THE FORGIVENESS OF SIN DOCTRINE, DUH


STEPHEN RUNS AWAY FROM ANOTHER POST OF MINE WITH LAME LITTLE BOY EXCUSES BECAUSE HE CANNOT ADDRESS IT

STEPHEN RUNS AWAY FROM YET ANOTHER OF MY POSTS SHOWING HIM TO BE AS BIBLE IGNORANT AS DR. “C&P” FRANKLIN


STEPHEN FAILS TO REALIZE THAT HIS RUSE PERTAINING TO BIBLICAL SCRIPTURES GOES SEVERELY WANTING AT ALL TIMES


Question, when do we expect you to go into HIDING on DebateArt to save what face you have left upon this forum? Huh? LOL!!! Now, go and lick your wounds that I have easily inflicted upon you once again, where your bible ignorance has absolutely no bounds!

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Of course you are. You are simply attempting to play down the close relationship Nicodemus had with Jesus as if it just a flash in the pan.. And still refusing to say if or not he was a disciple.
There is no reason to doubt me. I have no interest in playing down the relationship.  I agreed that he met with Jesus secretly. I just don't see evidence that this relationship remained secret after that first meeting.  I'm still not convinced he was a disciple. But for the record, so what? 


We know he met in secret with Jesus, we know he spoke up for Jesus and we know he afforded large and costly amounts of myrrh and aloes to anoint Jesus and we know he assisted Joseph of Arimathea with the entombment of Jesus.
Ok. If you say so.  I assume you will produce the data to prove each of these so called facts. 

I agree to speculating as you have also done on this thread. But I can assure you that you will be extremely hard pressed to find a biblical scholar that would deny that Nicodemus was a secret disciple of Jesus. But have it you way.
Fine. But does any scholar actually produce a verse that says he was a disciple or is it based on assumptions that since he was an associate of Jesus that he must have been a disciple as well? 
The final mention of Nicodemus in the Bible is in John 19 after Jesus’ crucifixion. We find Nicodemus assisting Joseph of Arimathea in Jesus’ burial. Joseph is described in John as a rich man and in Mark 15:43 as a member of the Council. He is also described in John 19:38 as a disciple of Jesus, albeit a secret one because he was afraid of the Jews. Joseph asked Pilate for the body of Jesus. Nicodemus brought 75 pounds of spices for use in preparing the body for burial and then assisted Joseph in wrapping the body and placing it in the tomb. The sheer amount of burial spices would seem to indicate that Nicodemus was a rich man and that he had great respect for Jesus.

It is impossible that the two betrayed Jesus.
Joseph of Arimathea is venerated as a saint by the Roman CatholicEastern Orthodox, and some Protestant churches. The traditional Roman calendar marked his feast day on 17 March, but he is now listed, along with Saint Nicodemus, on 31 August in the Martyrologium Romanum. Eastern Orthodox churches commemorate him on the Third Sunday of Pascha (i.e., the second Sunday after Easter) and on 31 July, the date shared by Lutheran churches.
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Yep, as I stated the Earth is clearly spherical.



So, do you suggest that I re-enter some bogus profile details like your bogus profile details.

French Canadian Catholic........As if.
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If you just write shit.

Then it is highly likely that it's a load of it.
If you throw poop back then you start a poop fight. That is what this group is in the middle of. i.e. a poop fight.

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paleocons less so and paleo are closer to the opposite.
Trump was a paleoconservative. He got us reinvolved in the Middle East and declared war on ISIS. And all the paleocon thinkers egged him on.
It was George W. Bush that got America involved in the middle-east 2002.  Trump should be credited for pulling out of the middle-east and letting Putin in.

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Here is what BrotherD. said about you.

Stephen,

Okay, we get it! You are vying to be the most dumbfounded of biblical knowledge on DebatArt Religion Forum! Furthermore, you are already the number one RUN AWAY from your bible ignorance on DebateArt, where I forgot to congratulate you earlier! 

Now, you once again remove one foot to insert the other AGAIN in your vain attempts to "think" you know the Bible, where you DO NOT!

YOUR BIBLE IGNORANCE HAVING NO BOUNDS QUOTE POST #8: "Is this clown speak!?  The only part of that whole sentence that rings true, is the fact that Timothy, quite plainly states Jesus is in fact a "MAN", and not a  god. We should expect nothing less from ' brother' buffoon who knows not his Ark from his own arse;"

The passage in question: "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," (1 Timothy 2:5)

Let me help you break this verse down that runs against your continued bible ignorance, okay? Ready?

1. "For there is one God" equals Jesus the Christ as God where 1 Timothy 3:15-16 and many other narratives so states, GET IT? 

2. "and there is one mediator between God and men" equals Jesus between Himself as Yahweh God incarnate and men, UNDERSTOOD?

3. "the man Christ Jesus" equals the words stating that Jesus is God, DO YOU GET IT YET?

Stephen, I can understand that you are trying so hard in not making Jesus God because of your one of many other posts that shows you to be vying to be the most bible ignorant on DebateArt listed below. You actually stated that all divisions of Christianity make Jesus the Son of God, where you were BLATANTLY WRONG again! You are still RUNNING AWAY from your embarrassment within this post!

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2273/how-did-judas-die?page=3&post_number=51


Regarding your perceived notion of the Ark contradiction, I have explained this many times where I was testing the threads members, but yet you hang on to this situation as if you have a "gotcha!" against me, where compared to the following embarrassing and bible ignorant posts of yours shown below, CONVERSELY YOU ARE LAUGHABLE TO THE CORE!  LOL!

STEPHEN BEING “SCHOOLED” UPON JESUS’ MIRACLES:

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2260-what-does-hate-mean?page=5&post_number=101

STEPHEN BEING “SCHOOLED” UPON LUKE 14:26

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2260-what-does-hate-mean?page=1&post_number=20

STEPHEN “SCHOOLED” ON JESUS’ CRUCIFIXION AND RESURRECTION THAT HE RAN AWAY FROM:

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2273-how-did-judas-die?page=2&post_number=46

STEPHEN “SCHOOLED” AGAIN WHEN HE DISAGREES WITH STRONG’S CONCORDANCE RELATIVE TO LUKE 14:26

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2260-what-does-hate-mean?page=4&post_number=98

STEPHEN HAVING A HARD TIME IN NOT UNDERSTANDING THE FORGIVENESS OF SIN DOCTRINE, DUH

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2285-how-do-you-go-about-removing-your-sins?page=1&post_number=11

STEPHEN RUNS AWAY FROM ANOTHER POST OF MINE WITH LAME LITTLE BOY EXCUSES BECAUSE HE CANNOT ADDRESS IT
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2285/how-do-you-go-about-removing-your-sins?page=1&post_number=11

STEPHEN RUNS AWAY FROM YET ANOTHER OF MY POSTS SHOWING HIM TO BE AS BIBLE IGNORANT AS DR. “C&P” FRANKLIN

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2273-how-did-judas-die?page=3&post_number=51

STEPHEN FAILS TO REALIZE THAT HIS RUSE PERTAINING TO BIBLICAL SCRIPTURES GOES SEVERELY WANTING AT ALL TIMES

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2260-what-does-hate-mean?page=5&post_number=103

Question, when do we expect you to go into HIDING on DebateArt to save what face you have left upon this forum? Huh? LOL!!! Now, go and lick your wounds that I have easily inflicted upon you once again, where your bible ignorance has absolutely no bounds! 
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The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for their children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children survive to grow up, I will take them from you.  It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone.  I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre.  But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered oh Lord. what should I request for your people? I will ask for the wombs that don’t give birth and breast that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them.  I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions.  I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels.  The people of Israel are stricken.  Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children. (Hosea 9:11-16) 


Indeed Brother D.  This "historical Jesus " certainly worked in violent 
Stephen there is no mention of Jesus in Hosea.

No mention of Jesus. Elijah was praying to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel in Hosea’s quotes.

Hosea 9:36 At the time of sacrifice, the prophet Elijah stepped forward and prayed: “Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, let it be known today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant and have done all these things at your command. 37 Answer me, Lord, answer me, so these people will know that you, Lord, are God, and that you are turning their hearts back again.”


Which brings to mind what BrotherD.said about you. Stephen.

Here is what BrotherD said about you.


“Anyone see STEPHEN lurking around DebateArt Religion Forum, where he continues to HIDE from my post #51 above that continues to show him as one of the most bible ignorant members on this forum?

Let me know if you see him, and if he is not to scared and pissing his pants, tell him to address yet another embarrassing post above where I have BIBLE-SLAPPED him once again in the name of Jesus! 

Stephen is just making it too easy for me.”

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I believe " a " historical jesus lived. But at no way could he of been " diffrent " then you or i. 

Only that he may have had a legitimate claim to the throne of David. Which although this throne had been promised him via his mother by god himself, he never got  in  sniffing distance of its seat. But yes, a man like you and I.


But at no point in no time
No one can do magic shit.
No one comes back to life.   
FULL STOP.

Yep. Spot on Deb. 



Then id like to go on and to have it a guess.  i think of jesus as a " gambit " of sorts. 
A good front man. 
I feel he was tricked into believing he was diff.


That is a great possibility, Deb, and something I have suggested often 



Its only commen sense a god thing doesn't exist.

 Indeed, and simply believing in such, is not enough to make it true.

Great post Deb. 👍
Wish  they would say the same about you Stephen.

Here is what BrotherD said about you.


“Anyone see STEPHEN lurking around DebateArt Religion Forum, where he continues to HIDE from my post #51 above that continues to show him as one of the most bible ignorant members on this forum?

Let me know if you see him, and if he is not to scared and pissing his pants, tell him to address yet another embarrassing post above where I have BIBLE-SLAPPED him once again in the name of Jesus!  

Stephen is just making it too easy for me.”


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In my continuing treatise of showing Jesus' true modus operandi, that goes directly against the Bible fool Shila's rendition of Jesus, I continue with JESUS BEING A BLATANT ABORTIONIST to His creation:


THE BIBLE STATES THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD IN JESUS:  “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” (1 Timothy 2:5) 
Jesus is called a mediator not God in (1 Timothy 2:5) 
JESUS IS GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS: And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces and said, “The Lord, he is God; the Lord, he is God.” (1 Kings 18:39)
No mention of Jesus. Elijah was praying to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.

Hosea 9:36 At the time of sacrifice, the prophet Elijah stepped forward and prayed: “Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, let it be known today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant and have done all these things at your command. 37 Answer me, Lord, answer me, so these people will know that you, Lord, are God, and that you are turning their hearts back again.”
SIMON PETER SAYS JESUS IS THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS: Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours."
Peter also lied about Jesus 3 times.
Peter's first denial (John 18:17-18) · , Peter's additional denials (John 18:25-27) · 

THEREFORE, WHEN JESUS IS GOD, THEN CHRISTIANS HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT HE WAS AN "HORRIFIC ABORTIONIST" AS SHOWN BELOW: 


1. In the book of Hosea, Jesus as God, gave Ephraim women miscarrying wombs and caused abortions, and if said children survived, Jesus would take them from their parents, and "if" they gave birth, Jesus would SLAY their beloved children!

The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for their children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children survive to grow up, I will take them from you.  It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone.  I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre.  But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered oh Lord. what should I request for your people? I will ask for the wombs that don’t give birth and breast that give no milk.The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them.  I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions.  I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels.  The people of Israel are stricken.  Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children. (Hosea 9:11-16) 

No mention of Jesus in Hosea (9:11-16). Elijah was praying to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.

Hosea 9:36 At the time of sacrifice, the prophet Elijah stepped forward and prayed: “Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, let it be known today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant and have done all these things at your command. 37 Answer me, Lord, answer me, so these people will know that you, Lord, are God, and that you are turning their hearts back again.”
2. JESUS, as Yahweh God incarnate, became an abortionist when He murdered INNOCENT zygotes and fetus’ in the wombs of pregnant women as they drowned in His Great Flood. Furthermore, He murdered babies and children that treaded water before they drowned in HIs Great Flood. It is factual to say that Jesus was NOT PRO-LIFE!  :(

"The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.  The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”  I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish.(Genesis 6:5-7, 17)
The Torah, as well as the rest of the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible), does not say anything about Jesus or Mary. These texts were written hundreds of years before their time. Genesis is one of the five books in the Torah.
Christians, can an innocent zygote and fetus be truly evil where they needed to be destroyed within their mothers wombs as their mothers drowned a horrible suffocating death? Can an innocent baby or young child that knew not of evil, where they needed to die a horrible drowning death by hopelessly treading water in Jesus' flood as they cried out in horror to their mothers?  Picture these babies and children's  muscles burning due to large amounts of lactic acid production, where when they finally give up, they went under the ocean waters and held their little breaths as acidic carbon dioxide eroded their lungs until the unbearable pain forced them to inhale, where there was no air for them to breathe. :(

Then the water brought into their little lungs robbed their little bodies of oxygen, causing them to go numb. As water violently rushed in and out of their little chests, it finally laid their heavily breathing and slowly dying bodies to the bottom of the ocean because the inhaled water caused their lungs to tear and bleed profusely.  As their blood supply dwindled, their innocent hearts slowly came to a halt. Even so, their brains continued to process information for another couple of minutes. Unfortunately, they were patently aware that death was imminent, yet they could do nothing to prevent it. We can only imagine that their final thoughts would have been on what they did to deserve such horrific treatment and death.  All the time, our Jesus as God was watching. (Proverbs 15:3)


Yes, to be a TRUE Christian like myself, I have had to learn that I have to accept Jesus in the manner shown above, and where Jesus truly is NOT all loving and forgiving like so many pseudo-christians erroneously state. Basically, we worship a serial killer as shown above, but personally, the only reason that I continue to do so, is the Bible fact that there will be NO WOMEN in heaven, where we superior men had to put up with them while upon earth, praise Jesus!
 BrotherD., Think carefully what you also said, “ I am NOT blaspheming Jesus because I have described Jesus' true historical modus operandi within the scriptures in Jesus being Yahweh God incarnate, of which you are obviously unaware of because of your complete Bible stupidity! Our Jesus we worship, as the Serial Killer Yahweh God incarnate, was embarrassingly, greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent!

Now try to justify your blasphemous claims against Jesus.

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Yes shila . 

I believe " a " historical jesus lived. But at no way could he of been " diffrent " then you or i. 
With in reason. 
But at no point in no time
No one can do magic shit.
No one comes back to life.   
FULL STOP.


Then id like to go on and to have it a guess.  i think of jesus as a " gambit " of sorts. 
A good front man. 
I feel he was tricked into believing he was diff. 
And as stated as above. No one can be different. ( with in the reason crap again )    

Its only commen sense a god thing doesn't exist. 

Issssss what i feel. 
Thats going on a TOTAL GUESS. 
So Shila got you to admit on this very thread “the case for the Historical Jesus “ that you indeed believe a historical Jesus lived.

Individual confessions like yours are important because it adds to the number of people who also believe in the Historical Jesus outside of Christianity and other religions.

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Do you remember this exchange above that we had way back in 2019, Brother D. And reproduced here by shila in his cross-thread contamination post above? 

I believe it finished in some sort of stalemate. That will depend on the reader to decide should they be interested at all, of course. 

By the way, isn't intentional cross-thread contamination against the CoC rules Brother D? Maybe you can look for me when you have the time. 

And isn't shila already on a warning?
Stephen are you saying you forgot your were bible slapped by BrotherD.?


Here is the link and post of your first Bible slapping.


BrotherD. Exposes Stephens biblical ignorance and then bible slaps him

Here is BrotherD. replying to Stephen.

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Stephen,

Once again pertaining to your outright biblical ignorance in your post listed below, I have to once again CORRECT you!


YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE: “Although the Christ mentions  his "father" quite a lot (over 150 times) no one knows who the New Testament Christian god actually is and you cannot say who he is unless your of the mind that Jesus was "god" and the same Old Testament god that Hebrews are said to have served which would show the glaring contradiction between the personalities.”

I thought you said that you knew more about the bible than I will ever live to know, remember?  Therefore, why do you continue to add more proverbial egg to your face by continuing to be totally bible ignorant?!

The TRUE Christian does know who the Father is, and that is Jesus, as a part of the Triune Doctrine in being Yahweh God incarnate of the Old Testament.  Earth to Stephen, H-E-L-L-O, anybody home today?

“But in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God the pillar and support of the truth. By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.” (1 Timothy 3:15-16)

“Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.” (Philippians 2:5-8)

“Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28)



YOUR CONTINUING BIBLE IGNORANCE AT YOUR EXPENSE: “ Does the god yahweh appear anywhere in the New Testament?  Does the word /name Yahweh appear in the New Testament? There is absolutely no evidence that "Christians kept the ancient yahweh as their god", as you seem to be suggesting, none whatsoever.”

Oh, my, I have seen the bible ignorant of Jesus’ creation before, but YOU take the cake! The OT and NT are connected with the
SAME GOD!. When the term “God” appears in the New Testament, it is referring to Yahweh of the Old Testament writings, which in turn, is referring to Jesus as being Yahweh God incarnate.  Here, let me help your complete bible ignorance once again with the following passage showing that Jesus is in the Old Testament as Yahweh God, okay?

JESUS STATED: “Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, in whom you have put your hope. If you had believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me. But since you do not believe what he wrote, how will you believe what I say?”  (John 5:45-47)

GET IT? HUH? If Moses spoke of Jesus, then most certainly Jesus is not only Yahweh God incarnate, but in turn, CHRISTIANS DID KEEP THE ANCIENT YAHWEH AS THEIR GOD!  2+2=4, OIL AND WATER DON’T MIX, AND YOU ARE ONE OF THE MOST BIBLE IGNORNAT OF ANY PERSON THAT I HAVE EVER RUN ACROSS!

Please don't make me "Bible Slap" you again, agreed? Thank you. Stephen, your continued BIBLE IGNORANCE is excused once again, at your expense.
Stephen, do you have some kind of an ungodly fetish, where you get off on being one of the most biblically ignorant members on DebateArt religion forum?

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Shila, the continued "remove one foot to insert the other" pseudo-christian,

YOUR REVEALING QUOTE THAT REMINDED ME OF JESUS, THANK YOU:  "I was just defending against BrotherD. a blasphemous misogynist in a way that others would take notice. Notice only the males have responded."


As it was shown by me earlier, the inspired words of Jesus (1 Thessalonians 2:13)  within the scriptures shows that He believed in being a MISOGYNIST as the passages below so state, and since I have to follow Jesus' words below because they set an example for me, then I have to be a misogynist as well, GET IT?

1.  "Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor." (1 Timothy 2:11-14)

2.  “ But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ and the head of the woman in man. For the man is not of the women; but the woman of the man.” (1Corinthians 11: 3,8 ) 

3.  “I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains. The man who pleases God will escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare.” (Ecclesiastes 7:26)

4.  "The women should keep silent in the churchesFor they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church." (1 Corinthians 14:34-35)

5.  "Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered." (1 Peter 3:7)

6.  "It is better to live in a corner of the housetop than in a house shared with a quarrelsome wife." (Proverbs 21:9)

7.  "It is better to live in a desert land than with a quarrelsome and fretful woman." (Proverbs 21:19)

8.  “ It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house.” (Proverbs 21:9)

9.  "A quarrelsome wife is as annoying as constant dripping on a rainy day. Stopping her complaints is like trying to stop the wind or trying to hold something with greased hands." (Proverbs 27:15-16) 

10.  " Likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire." (1 Timothy 2:9)

11.  "For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior." (Ephesians 5:23)

12.  "For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man." (1 Corinthians 11:8-9)

13. “The woman Folly is loud; she is seductive and knows nothing.” (Proverbs 9:13)

14.  “to be self-controlled, pure, managers of their households, kind, and subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be discredited.” (Titus 2:5)


NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN WOMAN LIKE "SHILA" THAT HELPS ME SHOW HOW JESUS' WORDS WITHIN IN THE BIBLE WERE MISOGYNISTIC WILL BE ...? LOL!
BrotherD. Not only is your mouth crooked and misshapen, everything that comes out of it  is also warped and crooked.

None of the verses you quoted above are the spoken words of Jesus. You have quoted Proverbs which was written by Solomon who did not know Jesus. Then you quote Timothy, Thessalonians and Corinthians which was written by Paul. Paul never met Jesus or heard his teaching during Jesus’s life time.
The  only words Paul heard in a vision of Jesus he had on the road to Damascus was:
Acts 9:4  He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”

BrotherD. You suffer from an inferiority complex because  of your low education and low income of less than 20,000$ annually. That is less than what most women make.

How Jesus Viewed and Valued Women

Jesus's Countercultural View of Women

The place of women in the first-century Roman world and in Judaism has been well-documented and set forth in several recent books.1 Most frequently, women were regarded as second-class citizens.

Jesus’s regard for women was much different from that of his contemporaries. Evans terms Jesus’s approach to women as “revolutionary” for his era.2 But was his treatment of women out of character with Old Testament revelation, or with later New Testament practice? Other chapters in this volume will show that it was not.

Disciples Come in Two Sexes, Male and Female

For Christ, women have an intrinsic value equal to that of men. Jesus said, “. . . at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female’” (Matt. 19:4; cf. Gen. 1:27). Women are created in the image of God just as men are. Like men, they have self-awareness, personal freedom, a measure of self-determination, and personal responsibility for their actions.

Scanzoni and Hardesty point out that “Jesus came to earth not primarily as a male but as a person. He treated women not primarily as females but as human beings.”3 Jesus recognized women as fellow human beings. Disciples come in two sexes, male and female. Females are seen by Jesus as genuine persons, not simply as the objects of male desire.4 Hurley believes “the foundation-stone of Jesus’s attitude toward women was his vision of them as persons to whom and for whom he had come. He did not perceive them primarily in terms of their sex, age, or marital status; he seems to have considered them in terms of their relation (or lack of one) to God.”5

Three Clear Examples

Examples of this even-handed treatment of women by Jesus are found in the four Gospels.

First, Jesus regularly addressed women directly while in public. This was unusual for a man to do (John 4:27). The disciples were amazed to see Jesus talking with the Samaritan woman at the well of Sychar (John 4:7-26). He also spoke freely with the woman taken in adultery (John 8:10–11).6 Luke, who gives ample attention to women in his Gospel, notes that Jesus spoke publicly with the widow of Nain (Luke 7:12–13), the woman with the bleeding disorder (Luke 8:48; cf. Matt. 9:22; Mark 5:34), and a woman who called to him from a crowd (Luke 11:27–28). Similarly, Jesus addressed a woman bent over for eighteen years (Luke 13:12) and a group of women on the route to the cross (Luke 23:27-31).

A second aspect of Jesus’s regard for the full intrinsic value of women is seen in how he spoke to the women he addressed. He spoke in a thoughtful, caring manner. Each synoptic writer records Jesus addressing the woman with the bleeding disorder tenderly as “daughter” (references above) and referring to the bent woman as a “daughter of Abraham” (Luke 13:16). Bloesch infers that “Jesus called the Jewish women ‘daughters of Abraham’ (Luke 13:16), thereby according them a spiritual status equal to that of men.”7

Third, Jesus did not gloss over sin in the lives of the women he met. He held women personally responsible for their own sin as seen in his dealings with the woman at the well (John 4:16–18), the woman taken in adultery (John 8:10–11), and the sinful woman who anointed his feet (Luke 7:44–50). Their sin was not condoned, but confronted. Each had the personal freedom and a measure of self-determination to deal with the issues of sin, repentance, and forgiveness.

Jesus's Valuation of Women Today

Even though clear role distinction is seen in Christ’s choice of the apostles and in the exclusive type of work they were given to perform, no barriers need exist between a believer and the Lord Jesus Christ, regardless of gender. Jesus demonstrated only the highest regard for women, in both his life and teaching. He recognized the intrinsic equality of men and women, and continually showed the worth and dignity of women as persons. Jesus valued their fellowship, prayers, service, financial support, testimony and witness. He honored women, taught women, and ministered to women in thoughtful ways.

As a result, women responded warmly to Jesus’s ministry. Have things changed too drastically today for us to see this same Jesus? Not at all. Modern women can find the same rich fulfillment in serving Christ as did the Marys and Marthas of Judea, or the Joannas and Susannas of Galilee.

BrotherD., Think carefully what you said, “ I am NOT blaspheming Jesus because I have described Jesus' true historical modus operandi within the scriptures in Jesus being Yahweh God incarnate, of which you are obviously unaware of because of your complete Bible stupidity! Our Jesus we worship, as the Serial Killer Yahweh God incarnate, was embarrassingly, greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent!

Now try to justify your blasphemous claims against Jesus.


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Shila, the continued Bible fool as shown ad infinitum,

YOUR MISGUIDED QUOTE IN YOUR POST #427:  "How does the Islamic view of Jesus compare with your blasphemous claims against Jesus?"

Heads up pseudo-christian, I am NOT blasphemous against Jesus because I am telling the TRUTH about Him, understood? Therefore, my post shown in the link below about how Muslims think of Christianity STANDS!  Therefore, they DO NOT revere Jesus like you so erroneously said as being wrong once again in your posts, understood? Maybe? Huh?

THE ISLAMIC FAITH DOES NOT LIKE CHRISTIANS WHATSOEVER:
Brother D. let us compare the Islamic view of Jesus with that of your earlier expressed views on this very thread.

Islam
The Islamic faith was founded by Muhammad on the Arabian Peninsula in the early 7th Century. He claimed to be restoring the monotheistic religion corrupted by the Jews and Christians. As a result, Muslims acknowledge the impact of Jesus and recognize Him as a significant person within their own religious system. The Quran describes Jesus in the following way:
Jesus Was Born of a Virgin
The Quran describes Mary as a virgin prior to her miraculous conception. The conversation between Mary and Allah is recorded in the Quran, and Mary is told that she will conceive without the benefit of human involvement.
“She said: “Verily. I seek refuge with the Most Beneficent (Allâh) from you, if you do fear Allâh.” (The angel) said: “I am only a Messenger from your Lord, (to announce) to you the gift of a righteous son.” She said: “How can I have a son, when no man has touched me, nor am I unchaste?” He said: “So (it will be), your Lord said: ‘That is easy for Me (Allâh): And (We wish) to appoint him as a sign to mankind and a mercy from Us (Allâh), and it is a matter (already) decreed, (by Allâh).’ ” So she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a far place (i.e. Bethlehem valley about 4-6 miles from Jerusalem).” (Quran 19:18-22)
Jesus Was to Be Revered
Jesus is held in high regard within the Muslim worldview. According to a legend, when Muhammad eliminated all the images of others gods in the Ka’bah, he refused to destroy the statue of Mary and the infant Christ. Jesus remains in a position of respect and reverence within Islam. When muslims speak the name of Jesus today, they typically either say “Hazrat Eesa” (“revered Jesus”) or “Eesa alai-hiss-salaam” (“Jesus peace be upon him”).While Muslims believe Jesus was to be revered as a prophet and Apostle of God, they do not believe He was more than this:
“O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians). Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allâh aught but the truth. The Messiah ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allâh and His Word, (“Be.” – and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rûh)created by Him; so believe in Allâh and His Messengers. Say not: “Three (trinity).” Cease. (it is) better for you. For Allâh is (the only) One Ilâh (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son.” (Quran 4:171).
Jesus Was A Prophet
Islam affirms Jesus (known as “Isa” or “Eesa”) was one of God’s most important prophets:
“And Zakariyâ (Zachariya), and Yahya (John) and ‘Iesa (Jesus) and Iliyâs (Elias), each one of them was of the righteous.” (Quran 6:85)

Muslims also acknowledge Jesus was sent specifically to the Children of Israel:

“And will make him [‘Iesa (Jesus)] a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): “I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allâh’s Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allâh’s Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe.And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Taurât (Torah), and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you, and I have come to you with a proof from your Lord. So fear Allâh and obey me.Truly. Allâh is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (Alone). This is the Straight Path.” (Quran 3:49-51)

While Muhammad is described as the final prophet from God, he listed the previous prophets and included Jesus in that list. Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet, but they deny He is God:

“The Messiah [‘Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother [Maryam (Mary)] was a Siddiqah [i.e. she believed in the words of Allâh and His Books (see Verse 66:12)]. They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while Allâh does not eat). Look how We make the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to them, yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth).” (Quran 5:75)

Muslims also deny Jesus was the “Son of God”:

“And the Jews say: ‘Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allâh, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allâh. That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. Allâh’s Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth.” (Quran 9:30).

Jesus Was a Wise Teacher
Muslims acknowledge Jesus was a divinely wise teacher. The Quran reports Jesus’ disciples, as a result of His teaching, were filled with compassion and mercy:

“Then, We sent after them, Our Messengers, and We sent ‘Iesa (Jesus) ­ son of Maryam (Mary), and gave him the Injeel (Gospel). And We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him, compassion and mercy.” (Quran 57:27)

How does the Islamic view of Jesus compare with your blasphemous claims against Jesus?

BrotherD., Think carefully what you said, “ I am NOT blaspheming Jesus because I have described Jesus' true historical modus operandi within the scriptures in Jesus being Yahweh God incarnate, of which you are obviously unaware of because of your complete Bible stupidity! Our Jesus we worship, as the Serial Killer Yahweh God incarnate, was embarrassingly, greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent!

Now try to justify your blasphemous claims against Jesus.

BrotherD., You  have  only finished high school and your career highest income is less than 20,000$? You are 56 years old. Learn to show respect.

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Yes Brother D. Every verse you have posted from the bible proves the misogynistic nature of what is known as Christianity.  And although they may not be practiced and adhered to by Christians today, they cannot be defended against either.  And what's more; if they are not practiced and adhered to by Christians today, then it must be the fires of hell for those that defy the teaching of their lord god Jesus.

What a dilemma for you Christians.
Stephen, you have a dilemma too,  because you have been bible slapped by BrotherD.

Here is the link and post of your first Bible slapping.


 BrotherD. Exposes Stephens biblical ignorance and then bible slaps him 

Here is BrotherD. replying to Stephen.

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Stephen,

Once again pertaining to your outright biblical ignorance in your post listed below, I have to once again CORRECT you!


YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE: “Although the Christ mentions  his "father" quite a lot (over 150 times) no one knows who the New Testament Christian god actually is and you cannot say who he is unless your of the mind that Jesus was "god" and the same Old Testament god that Hebrews are said to have served which would show the glaring contradiction between the personalities.”

I thought you said that you knew more about the bible than I will ever live to know, remember?  Therefore, why do you continue to add more proverbial egg to your face by continuing to be totally bible ignorant?!

The TRUE Christian does know who the Father is, and that is Jesus, as a part of the Triune Doctrine in being Yahweh God incarnate of the Old Testament.  Earth to Stephen, H-E-L-L-O, anybody home today?

“But in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God the pillar and support of the truth. By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.” (1 Timothy 3:15-16)

“Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.” (Philippians 2:5-8)

“Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28)



YOUR CONTINUING BIBLE IGNORANCE AT YOUR EXPENSE: “ Does the god yahweh appear anywhere in the New Testament?  Does the word /name Yahweh appear in the New Testament? There is absolutely no evidence that "Christians kept the ancient yahweh as their god", as you seem to be suggesting, none whatsoever.”

Oh, my, I have seen the bible ignorant of Jesus’ creation before, but YOU take the cake! The OT and NT are connected with the
SAME GOD!. When the term “God” appears in the New Testament, it is referring to Yahweh of the Old Testament writings, which in turn, is referring to Jesus as being Yahweh God incarnate.  Here, let me help your complete bible ignorance once again with the following passage showing that Jesus is in the Old Testament as Yahweh God, okay?

JESUS STATED: “Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, in whom you have put your hope. If you had believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me. But since you do not believe what he wrote, how will you believe what I say?”  (John 5:45-47)

GET IT? HUH? If Moses spoke of Jesus, then most certainly Jesus is not only Yahweh God incarnate, but in turn, CHRISTIANS DID KEEP THE ANCIENT YAHWEH AS THEIR GOD!  2+2=4, OIL AND WATER DON’T MIX, AND YOU ARE ONE OF THE MOST BIBLE IGNORNAT OF ANY PERSON THAT I HAVE EVER RUN ACROSS!

Please don't make me "Bible Slap" you again, agreed? Thank you. Stephen, your continued BIBLE IGNORANCE is excused once again, at your expense.

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Stephen, We know why you are afraid to ask the same question you want Deb to because you have been bible slapped by BrotherD. too.

Here is the link and post of your first Bible slapping.


 BrotherD. Exposes Stephens biblical ignorance and then bible slaps him 

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Stephen,

Once again pertaining to your outright biblical ignorance in your post listed below, I have to once again CORRECT you!


YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE: “Although the Christ mentions  his "father" quite a lot (over 150 times) no one knows who the New Testament Christian god actually is and you cannot say who he is unless your of the mind that Jesus was "god" and the same Old Testament god that Hebrews are said to have served which would show the glaring contradiction between the personalities.”

I thought you said that you knew more about the bible than I will ever live to know, remember?  Therefore, why do you continue to add more proverbial egg to your face by continuing to be totally bible ignorant?!

The TRUE Christian does know who the Father is, and that is Jesus, as a part of the Triune Doctrine in being Yahweh God incarnate of the Old Testament.  Earth to Stephen, H-E-L-L-O, anybody home today?

“But in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God the pillar and support of the truth. By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.” (1 Timothy 3:15-16)

“Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.” (Philippians 2:5-8)

“Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28)



YOUR CONTINUING BIBLE IGNORANCE AT YOUR EXPENSE: “ Does the god yahweh appear anywhere in the New Testament?  Does the word /name Yahweh appear in the New Testament? There is absolutely no evidence that "Christians kept the ancient yahweh as their god", as you seem to be suggesting, none whatsoever.”

Oh, my, I have seen the bible ignorant of Jesus’ creation before, but YOU take the cake! The OT and NT are connected with the
SAME GOD!. When the term “God” appears in the New Testament, it is referring to Yahweh of the Old Testament writings, which in turn, is referring to Jesus as being Yahweh God incarnate.  Here, let me help your complete bible ignorance once again with the following passage showing that Jesus is in the Old Testament as Yahweh God, okay?

JESUS STATED: “Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, in whom you have put your hope. If you had believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me. But since you do not believe what he wrote, how will you believe what I say?”  (John 5:45-47)

GET IT? HUH? If Moses spoke of Jesus, then most certainly Jesus is not only Yahweh God incarnate, but in turn, CHRISTIANS DID KEEP THE ANCIENT YAHWEH AS THEIR GOD!  2+2=4, OIL AND WATER DON’T MIX, AND YOU ARE ONE OF THE MOST BIBLE IGNORNAT OF ANY PERSON THAT I HAVE EVER RUN ACROSS!

Please don't make me "Bible Slap" you again, agreed? Thank you. Stephen, your continued BIBLE IGNORANCE is excused once again, at your expense.


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How Jesus is viewed in Buddhism? Evidence that proves the Historical Jesus existed and was recognized in other religions.

Buddhism
While Buddhism is based primarily on the teachings of Siddhartha Gautama (a spiritual teacher from India who lived from approximately 563BC to 483BC and is known as the Buddha), Buddhism incorporates a variety of religious traditions, beliefs and practices. Like Hinduism, Buddhism provides no singular unified view about Jesus, although a number of Jesus’ characteristics are described by many Buddhists.

Jesus Was An Enlightened Man
Most Buddhists acknowledge and respect the fact Jesus lived a self-sacrificial life and had compassion on those who were in spiritual need. This kind of compassion is seen by Buddhists to be the key to happiness and enlightenment. For this reason, many Buddhists, including the 14th century Zen master, Gasan Jōseki, refer to Jesus as an “enlightened man”.

Jesus Was A Wise Teacher
Most Buddhists also respect the teaching of Jesus to a high degree, especially Jesus’ teaching related to loving one’s neighbor and the need to demonstrate kindness and forgiveness. His teaching related to compassion, for example, impressed the Dalai Lama greatly. Jesus is seen as someone who possessed the correct perspective on life and his teaching helped others to embrace the truth. Some Buddhists including the 14th Dali Lama, Tenzin Gyatso, have even recognized Jesus as a ” bodhisattva” (one who dedicates his life sacrificially to the service and betterment of others). While Jesus is seen as a wise teacher, He is not seen as divine.

Jesus Was a Holy Man
The current Dalai Lama often describes Jesus as a “holy man” and includes Jesus in his list of such people. In fact, the Dalai Lama does not typically elevate Buddha to a greater status than Jesus when discussing the two figures. The Dalai Lama met frequently with the Pope in the early part of the 21st century and showed great respect for the teaching and person of Jesus Christ.

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Sorry for derailing a bit there. 

Hinduism is certainly cut of a diffrent cloth  thats for sure. 
Nice post man.  

If ya keeping a eye out for a God thing.  hinduism is the ummm. Avenue you want to look up. 



Friendly  reminder.   This is a religious forum .  
Soooooo i don't know why you are  talking about hinduism for. ?

Hinduism is the world's oldest religion, according to many scholars, with roots and customs dating back more than 4,000 years.
Hinduism has approximately 1.2 billion adherents worldwide (15-16% of the world's population). ... Hinduism is the third largest religion in the world behind Christianity and Islam.

The view Hindus have of Jesus is more admirable than most of the atheist members on DebateArt.
You must be here to defend BrotherD. because you feel guilty what you did to him and only showed up after Shila had pointed out how badly his mouth was misshapen.

Good game. 
Good game. 
Thank you. You did not answer the question! “Do you believe the Historical Jesus existed?”
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How Jesus is viewed in other religions like Hinduism, Islam and others.

Hinduism
Hinduism is a very diverse religious faith that began in India. It is rooted in religious views dating back to the Iron Age of India (12th to 6th centuries BC) and it has no single founder. There are many varieties of Hinduism embracing a complex and divergent set of views, and for this reason, it is difficult to isolate a unified set of beliefs related to Jesus. Hindu believers often hold a variety of views.

Jesus Was a Holy Man
Most Hindus evaluate “spirituality” on the basis of behavior and practice. Virtues such as tolerance, love, non-violence, self-sacrifice and humility are held in high esteem and considered to be characteristics of “holy men” known as Sadhu. By this criteria, Jesus qualifies as a “Hindu Saint” on the basis of his life and teaching.

Jesus Was A Wise Teacher
Most Hindus respect the teaching of Jesus and some have even committed themselves to this teaching. Mahatma Gandhi, for example, admired the teaching of Jesus greatly (particularly the Sermon on the Mount), even though he was not interested in Jesus as a true historical character. Gandhi saw Jesus as a symbol of superior ethics and revered His teaching.

Jesus is a ‘God’
Some Hindus are more than willing to acknowledge Jesus as divine, if He is not seen as ‘uniquely’ Divine. Hindus often worship many gods and goddesses and some are eager to include Jesus in their list of deities. They don’t, however, see Jesus as the only way to God. Instead, some understand Jesus as the perfect example of “self-realization” (the goal of Hindu “dharma”). Many Hindus see Jesus as a symbol of what humans can attain, rather than a true historical person. He is divine in his modeling, if not in His nature, and He is not the only such model. While some Hindus may see Jesus as a God-man of sorts, they would also site other examples such as Rama, Krishna and Buddha. Jesus is simply one of many “ishtas” (forms of the divine) in the history of mankind.

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I have no idea, I just think you should drop it, doubling down on an innapropriate post accomplishes nothing. 

You've let these trolls own you.
It has been dropped. My post was deleted by the mods. But the truth and picture remains. I have no control over that. Thank you for showing concern. The thread is about the Historical Jesus. I will continue to build my case.

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What the hell?

You've lost your mind, your credibility, and probably your membership on this site
Will the mods delete my thread “The case for the Historical Jesus “ if they ban me? I would like to take it with me to another site so I can continue with my research. Or can I request they delete my thread?
I was just defending against BrotherD. a blasphemous misogynist in a way that others would take notice. Notice only the males have responded.

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The Bible is available in Esperanto so Christians will not be affected by the language change.
That only works if all Christians understand Esperanto and I’m pretty sure that they don’t
If Christians can learn about God, they can surely learn Esperanto. The same cannot be said about Atheists.

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Is there a contrast between pagan and Christian views?

Anglican bishops declare that Jesus is not God

“More than half of England’s Anglican Bishops say that Christians are not obliged to believe that Jesus Christ was God, according to a survey published today. The pole of 31 of England’s 39 bishops shows that many of them think that Christ’s miracles, the virgin birth and the resurrection might not have happened exactly as described in the Bible. Only 11 of the bishops insisted that Christians must regard Christ as both God and man, while 19 said it was sufficient to regard Jesus as ‘God’s supreme agent.



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I'm honestly not sure what the picture you linked it to has to do with this. You made a jab at the person behind that picture, and as far as I know, there's nothing specifically wrong with the picture. If there is, please explain it.
The mouth  is misshapen in the picture (Avatar) indicating BrotherD. is using the Bible to attract men so he can give them  a BJ. Considering his age he must have  been doing that for sometime. Hence his misshapen mouth. 
I linked his picture /Avatar so members could see it in context. 
You're not particularly new here, and by now, it should be clear that insults in general are off-limits. I don't regularly comb through forum posts looking for insults, so yes, if someone is insulting to you personally, that's a basis for reporting that post.
All I was describing was how and why BrotherD. was speaking from both sides of his mouth. It was intended to explain why all his posts are directed at attacking women eg. Tradesecret and Shila. And why men are spared by just looking at his misshapen mouth.

Eg of how BrotherD. Addresses Tradesecret in every post. He has over 260 out of 390 posts attacking Tradesecret.

MISS TRADESECRET, whose gender went from a “MAN TO A WOMAN,” and then to “OTHER,” then went to her being 53 years old, then 12 years old, then changed to being 14 years old, Debate Runaway on Jesus' true MO,  Bible denier of Jesus being God in the OT, the runaway to what division of Christianity she follows, the pseudo-christian that has committed the Unpardonable Sin, the number 1 Bible ignorant fool regarding the Noah's Ark narrative, SHE SAYS THAT OFFSPRING THAT CURSE THEIR PARENTS SHOULD BE KILLED, states there is FICTION within the scriptures, and is guilty of Revelation 22:18-19, 2 Timothy 4:3, and 1 Timothy 2:12. She obviously had ungodly Gender Reassignment Surgery, Satanic Bible Rewriter, she goes against Jesus in not helping the poor, teaches Christianity at Universities in a “blind leading the blind” scenario, and is a False Prophet, says that Jesus is rational when He commits abortions and makes His creation eat their children, and that Jesus is rational when He allows innocent babies to be smashed upon the rocks, will not debate me on the Trinity Doctrine or the Virgin Birth, has a myriad of EXCUSES not to answer your questions, says the Bible contradicts itself, and says that the Bible contradicts itself, and she is "AN ADMITTED SEXUAL DEVIANT!”


You do not have the intelligence to realize that your pre-school antics of "quack quack" are only "diversion tactics" to literally run away from my godly posts to you that continue to show your outright Bible stupidity! 

I am doing research on the case for the Historical Jesus. It defeats my purpose when BrotherD. turns Jesus into a blasphemous joke.

Eg. BrotherD. How does the Islamic view of Jesus compare with your blasphemous claims against Jesus?

BrotherD., Think carefully what you said, “ I am NOT blaspheming Jesus because I have described Jesus' true historical modus operandi within the scriptures in Jesus being Yahweh God incarnate, of which you are obviously unaware of because of your complete Bible stupidity! Our Jesus we worship, as the Serial Killer Yahweh God incarnate, was embarrassingly, greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent!

BrotherD. has repeated his blasphemous claims about Jesus in almost every post he directed at Shila.
Let’s get real.


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Stephen wrote: Like they always do Brother D. They result to smut when they run out of any serious argument.
The picture of BrotherD. is more suggestive than Shila’s description of  BrotherD. desperate intent.  The fact the picture is still there removes any justification for deleting Shila’s description of it.

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Whiteflame,

We thank you for lowering the boom upon Shila for actually making such a "smutty" post to me, especially in a Religion Forum! Don't worry, Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, saw what Shila did, and she will pay for it upon Judgment Day for sure, praise!

"Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account." (Hebrews 4:13)

I noticed he deleted my description but kept the picture which still shows what was described. Lol!!

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Shila, the fool of the Islamic faith,

YOUR STUPIDITY QUOTE REGARDING THE ISLAMIC FAITH, POST #416!!!: So although Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the son of God — a critically important distinction between Muslim and Christian views of him — Muslims do revere Jesus as an important prophet.

Shila, as if you weren't Bible stupid enough relative to the Christian faith, now you are STUPID of the Islamic faith as well!  ENOUGH outright misinformation from you at all times, ENOUGH!


Listen up Islamic fool Shila, how can the hell bound Muslims revere Jesus as God, when their Holy Writings state that their Allah is the only god, which contradicts the Christian view of Jesus being the only god (1 Timothy 2:5), get it fool?!

"There is no god but Allah, the Ever Living, the Eternal One. Neither slumber nor sleep overtakes Him. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. He is the Most Exalted, the Most Great. [The Holy Qur'an, Surah 2:255] 



Furthermore, you blatant ignorant pseudo-christian of the Islamic faith fool, again, how can the Muslims revere Jesus as God when their Qur'an states the following relative to Christianity, HELLO!:  

1. ”O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.” (Qur’an 5:51)  

2. "Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (Qur’an 9:29) 

3.  The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (Qur’an 9:30) 

4.  "Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an." (Qur’an 8:12)  This passage relates to Jews and Christians, GET IT?

5.  Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers.” (Qur’an 2:65-66)

6.  "Muslims must not take the infidels as friends." (Qur’an 3:28)   Who are the infidels Shila, YES, Christians and Jews, GET IT?

7.  "Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them." (Qur’an 47:4) Christians are the infidels!

8.  "Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies".  (Qur’an 22:19)  Who are the unbelievers of Islam, CHRISTIANS!


SHILA, GOD DAMN IT, YOU ARE SO STUPID OF OTHER RELIGIONS AS WELL AS CHRISTIANITY, WHERE NOW YOU ARE TURNING YOUR UNGODLY THREAD INTO UNCONTROLLABLE LAUGHTER AT YOUR EXPENSE! WAY TO GO SHILA, WHAT'S NEXT?  LOL!!!  
How does the Islamic view of Jesus compare with your blasphemous claims against Jesus?

BrotherD., Think carefully what you said, “ I am NOT blaspheming Jesus because I have described Jesus' true historical modus operandi within the scriptures in Jesus being Yahweh God incarnate, of which you are obviously unaware of because of your complete Bible stupidity! Our Jesus we worship, as the Serial Killer Yahweh God incarnate, was embarrassingly, greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent!

Now try to justify your blasphemous claims against Jesus.

BrotherD., You  have  only finished high school and your career highest income is less than 20,000$? You are 56 years old. Learn to show respect.

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I’ve gone ahead and deleted the post in question. Shila, this will serve a formal warning against posting stuff like this. There won’t be another if it happens again
Why did you delete my post but still left the picture that I linked it to?
Are you saying a graphic display is acceptable but not a worded description?
Remember I am new here and see all kinds of insults thrown at women’s genitalia , but nothing is done about it.
Should I be reporting them to get your attention?
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