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@zedvictor4
--> @ShilaAs I said.Such is human expectation.
Nothing in your profile suggests you are human. All the identifiers are marked “unknown”.
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@Yassine
--> @Best.Koreaislam is very good. Maybe move to islam.- Then I'll come join you.
I thought Muslims followed the God of Abraham. Here you are joining a Korean God.
Muslims believe that Allah is the same God worshipped by the members of the Abrahamic religions that preceded Islam, i.e. Judaism and Christianity.
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@TWS1405
--> @ShilaSkin tone of the jury pool doesn’t prove 💩!
It did in the case of George Floyd. Even an all white jury found a white police officer guilty of murdering George Floyd a black man much to the chagrin of white racists following the case. You appear to have followed George Floyd’s case and side with the white racists.
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Having established the case for the Historical Jesus. The question on everyone’s mind has to be why and how did the Historical Jesus die?
Let us read “the words of Josephus, the first-century Jewish historian:
Let him that blasphemes God (Greek blasphēmēsas theon) be stoned, then hung for a day, and buried ignominiously and in obscurity. (Josephus, Antiquities, 4.202)20
In other words, when it comes to a case of blasphemy against God himself, execution alone is not enough. The offense requires crucifixion—being “hung” so that all can see the shame of the one who has dared to blaspheme God. Although under Rome it was not “lawful” for the Jewish leaders to put Jesus to death by stoning (John 18:31), they can still hand him over to be “hung” on a tree by the Romans. And that is what they do.”
In “Both the Synoptic Gospels and the Gospel of John testify to previous incidents when Jesus is accused of blasphemy during his public ministry:
And behold, some of the scribes said to themselves, “This man is blaspheming.” (Matthew 9:3)
Now some of the scribes were sitting there, questioning in their hearts, “Why does this man speak thus? It is blasphemy! Who can forgive sins but God alone?” (Mark 2:6-7)
[Jesus said:] “I and the Father are one.” The Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of these do you stone me?” The Jews answered him, “We stone you for no good work but for blasphemy; because you, being a man, make yourself God.” (John 10:30-33)
These other charges of blasphemy are consistently ignored by those who claim that Jesus was condemned to death for speaking against the Temple.21 The reason: this evidence poses great difficulties for those who contend that Jesus never claimed to be God. And that is one reason why such an idea fails as a historical explanation. In order to work, it has to ignore “or dismiss key pieces of evidence.22 According to the Gospels, Jesus of Nazareth was accused of and, ultimately, condemned for blasphemy because of who he claimed to be.
By the way, the evidence that Jesus was condemned for blasphemy isn’t just in the Synoptic Gospels; it’s also in the Gospel of John.23 Although John’s Gospel does not contain an account of Jesus’s proclamation before Caiaphas, it does report that the chief priests and scribes publically accused Jesus of blasphemy on the day of his crucifixion:
So Jesus came out, wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe. Pilate said to them, “Here is the man!” When the chief priests and the officers saw him, they cried out, “Crucify him, crucify him!” “Pilate said to them, “Take him yourselves and crucify him, for I find no crime in him.” The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and by that law he ought to die, because he has made himself the Son of God.” (John 19:5-7)
What is this law to which the chief priest and scribes are referring? It is the biblical law against blasphemy: “He who blasphemes the name of the LORD shall be put to death” (Leviticus 24:16).24 Thus, both the Synoptics and the Gospel of John agree that it is the charge of blasphemy that lands Jesus on the cross.
The evidence presented here suggests that the now popular idea that Jesus never claimed to be anything more than an ordinary human being totally fails to deal with the actual historical evidence. Jesus’s words and actions regarding the Temple might have got him hauled into the Jewish court, but it was what he said about himself that got him crucified.”
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@BrotherD.Thomas
.SHILA, the blatant Bible fool of this Religion Forum,As we can all see, you’re overdosing on your “Bible Stupid Pills®️" again relating to you just don't understand that Jesus wrote the Bible through inspiration to the actual Bible writers!” Therefore, I have gotten my neighbor’s 2nd grader named “Tommy” for him to try and get though your kindergarten mentality relative to Jesus actually writing the Bible! You can thank me later.
The Bible is not taught in junior grade public schools because of a ruling by the Supreme Court. But it appears Tommy learnt to lie as a 2nd grader.
What is a 56 year old BrotherD doing with a 2nd grader named Tommy should be of concern to mods.
Hi doofus Shila, my name is Tommy & Brother D. has asked me to tri and get thru your preskool mentality in u sayin that jesus didn’t wrote the bible, ok? …… even my 2nd graders in my Chistan skool can understand that jesus rote the bible, okay dumb ass girl, hehehehe …….?
Jesus never wrote a Gospel or any part of the Bible even though the Gospels tell us he could read and write.
The only thing Jesus ever wrote was a message to a woman in the sand once.
John 8:But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
lisin, hear hows it goes, reedy? as the d-man has shown u in the followin bible verse and others, the writers of the bible, I repet, the righters of the bible thanked jesus as god all the time, that wen his followers receved hIs word that u herd from them, u accepted it not as the word of the bible writters, butt as what it reely was, which was the worrdS of god, where jesus is god! get it bible dumb-ass Shila?
The Jews wanted to stone Jesus for teaching blasphemy.
John 10:33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
The Jews went even further and demanded Jesus be crucified.
Luke 23:21 But they kept shouting, “Crucify him! Crucify him!”
Not a very inspirational outcome for Jesus.
“And we also thank God constantly for this, that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God.” (1 Thessalonians 2:13)using the verce above, thier4, the bible writters in behalff of Jesuss every word rote the bible thru jesuss "inspiration" to them as the passage in questin abuv shos, wher doing simplee math, jesus there4 wrotte the bible, get it?! ……. 2+2-=4, oil and watter dont mix, & if u cant underrstand this simple bible explaanation then u are dumber than tradesecret ,,,!Another verce is "ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, ...(2 Timothy 3:16).... who is god? CORRECTO, it is Jesus, praise! There4, thru Jesuss inspiration to the Bible riters, they rote down every word of his inspiration, there4, JESUS ROTE THE BIBLE, get it u 2nd class dummy woman?Bruther D, how do u put up with such bible stuped woman like Shila......?
The Jews wanted to stone Jesus for teaching blasphemy.
John 10:33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
The Jews went even further and demanded Jesus be crucified.
Luke 23:21 But they kept shouting, “Crucify him! Crucify him!”
Not a very inspirational outcome for Jesus.
Thank you Tommy, like I promised to you, I’ll give you a big Mickey D’s credit card for you and your sister, thank you for trying to get through to one of DEBATEART’s most dumbfounded pseudo-christian women that this forum as ever seen, bar none!
It that how BrotherD. got to Tommy’s sister by bribing them with “a big Mickey D’s credit card for you and your sister.”
NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN DUMBFOUNDED OF THE BIBLE WOMAN LIKE "SHILA" THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE IN ITS SYNTACTICAL SENTENCE STRUCTURING, WILL BE ...?
Finally you introduced your neighbours children as your source for scriptures. Busted BrotherD!!!
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@BrotherD.Thomas
SHILA, that allegedly has a Bacholor's Degree that her parents paid for which is all for naught as shown with her stupid bible posts,YOUR BIBLE DUMBFOUNDED QUOTE AGAIN: "Paul/Saul wrote Timothy. Jesus asked Paul to stop persecuting him in a vision Paul had on the road to Damascus. Can’t you find someone better to quote?""ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD” (2 TIMOTHY 3:16), that includes the book of Timothy, get it? And, it is irrelevant what Jesus asked Paul regarding the topic at hand that you RUN AWAY from, you blatant Bible stupid woman! THINK, All, and I repeat, ALL scripture was INSPIRED BY JESUS AS OUR SERIAL KILLER YAHWEH GOD INCARNATE! Therefore, Jesus didn't literally write the Bible you Bible inept fool, but the Bible writers did it for Him through His inspiration, THEREFORE JESUS DID WRITE THE BIBLE!!!! CASE CLOSED!!!Now, as shown time and time again, you are still going against Jesus' direct inspired words!1. You are a hell bound woman!2. As a woman you are not following 1 Timothy 2:11-14 where it explicitly says that you are NOT to teach or to exercise authority over the superior man, rather you as a woman are to STFU, period! UNDERSTOOD?!“Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor." (1 Timothy 2:11-14)”Therefore, AGAIN, EVERY Post in your ungodly and ever so wanting Satanic thread is going against Jesus' INSPIRED WORDS in 1 Timothy 2:11-14 written by the Bible writers through Jesus' every word inspiration, you Bible idiot!Shila, tell you what, I am going to ask my neighbor's little 2nd grader Christian to try and approach your kindergarten mentality to try and get this ever so simple proposition that Jesus wrote the Bible, okay? You can thank me later.
When one is quoting scriptures like Timothy and Proverbs one should know who said it.
But at the least one should know who said it.
BrotherD. keeps quoting Paul who never met Jesus during his ministry. Then he quotes Proverbs which was written by Solomon. All the time claiming they were inspired by Jesus. Solomon was from 970 to 930 BCE.
In our example.
Who wrote most of the Proverbs in the Bible?
Proverbs 1–9: "Proverbs of Solomon, Son of David, King of Israel" Proverbs 10–22:16: "Proverbs of Solomon"
Proverbs was written by Solomon around 970 to 930 BCE.
Paul/Saul wrote Timothy. Jesus asked Paul to stop persecuting him in a vision Paul had on the road to Damascus. Can’t you find someone better to quote?
Acts 9:4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
Could Jesus have inspired Proverbs or Timothy?
Jesus never wrote a Gospel or any part of the Bible even though the Gospels tell us he could read and write.
The only thing Jesus ever wrote was a message to a woman in the sand once.
John 8:But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
You are dealing with a scripturally ignorant BrotherD.
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@Stephen
Stephen England doesn’t have a prime minister. British PM Liz Truss resigned, remember?So the Reverent might be right. The only PM in the commonwealth is Australian.Do you post simply for the sake om posting?ffs! stop it. He got caught cold lying again.The only PM in the commonwealth is Australian.Then I finally have to agree with the Brother. You are as thick as the Reverend tradsecret.There are many commonwealths PM's you absolute bone head.Don't bother responding to me if you are going to defend this lying fkr just to stir the shite.He's a liar that has, like all liars eventually are, been caught cold AGAIN and you are attempting to justify his lies with more lies.
Reverend is from Australia. The Reverend would know better how the Commonwealth works than some American.
UK is exiting the EU (BREXIT), the British PM Luz Truss reigned. So the Reverent might be right. The only PM in the commonwealth is Australian.
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Shila has presented the case for the Historical Jesus.
The next step is to determine who and what Jesus was to the Jews of his time and his ascension into modernity.
“Who do you say that I am.”
“ Peter’s ability to recognize and accept the unfathomable mystery of the God of the universe becoming a human being in the person of Jesus of Nazareth is a gift of grace. Now, Peter’s confession of faith in the divine sonship of Jesus is not contrary to his human intellect. After all, Peter witnesses lots of events that point to Jesus’s unique identity, such as the walking on water, the stilling of the storm, and the Transfiguration. In the end, however, according to Jesus, Peter is only able to believe the incomprehensible mystery that Jesus is really “the Son of” “the living God” because God himself reveals it to him. As the apostle Paul would later put it: “No one can say ‘Jesus is Lord’ except by the Holy Spirit” (1 Corinthians 12:3).
The same thing, I would suggest, is true for us today. I can give you all the historical arguments for how we got the Gospels, all the reasons we should believe they go back to the apostles and their disciples. I can give you all the historical evidence for concluding that Jesus of Nazareth claimed to be the long-awaited Jewish Messiah, the heavenly Son of Man, and the divine Son of God. I can do all these things—and I’ve tried to do them to the best of my ability. But there is one thing I can’t do. I can’t answer the ultimate question—the question of whether Jesus of Nazareth was in fact God. That is a question you have to answer for yourself.
“At least, that’s what Jesus seems to have thought. For today, as in the first century, there are lots of opinions about who the man from Nazareth really was. Apparently, it has always been that way, and it probably always will be. But the question Jesus poses to his disciples—the question of his identity—abides. It does not pass away. Despite the almost two thousand years that have transpired since the writing of the Gospels, Jesus’s words to Simon Peter at Caesarea Philippi echo down through the centuries, inviting each and every one of us to encounter him as a real historical person and to answer the question he once asked a lowly fisherman from Galilee: “But who do you say that I am?”
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@TWS1405
--> @ShilaThe experts lied.The family being given free money was a PC PR stunt.You clearly haven’t watched Candace’s movie where she interviewed an unbiased ACTUAL expert who proved the trial was a sham and the media steered it all in that direction.I will debate this case until the cows come home and pigs fly, because next to BLM being the biggest lie ever sold, this case was the second biggest lie driving BLM all the way to the bank and million dollar mansions.
Jury in Floyd killing federal trial appears mostly white.
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--> @ShilaInflation was caused by a shortage in the supply line due to Ukraine war, Covid caused shutdowns both in China and US and demand was growing. The stimulus also made plenty of cash available to consumers that drove the demand and price higher than expected. Hence the inflation.I agree. I think the demand-side is probably a bit more important, since nominal GDP continues to grow very fast (if it were largely supply-side, real GDP growth would fall, and nominal GDP wouldn’t be growing much faster than trend).
Now we might be heading for a recession because of the higher interest rates imposed by the Federal Reserves to combat inflation. We need a new economic theory.
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@TWS1405
If you believe Chauvin killed Floyd as the left claims, then you need to prove that the level of Fentanyl in his system, mixed with Meth and other co trolled substances, had absolutely nothing to do with Floyd’s respiratory distress, enlarged heart, and erratic behavior during his lawful arrest. .
The case was tried in court with all the medical and video evidence presented to both sides to determine cause of death. It was ruled George Floyd died by asphyxiation and not from Fentanyl and the Floyd family was awarded 27 million in compensation. Chauvin was found guilty and sent to jail to serve a 20 year sentence.
Case closed.
Debating the case here is ridiculous. The experts already had their day in court and a verdict was passed.
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@Stephen
- and ended up like our recently deposed English PM - a short lived poor career.So your Australian PM is English, is he? 🤣No, our PM is very Australian.Yet Australia is part of the Commonwealth so I am quite entitled to view every PM in the commonwealth as ours..Stop talking bollocks. You have your own Pm and we in England have our own.Just admit it, you got caught cold LYING AGAIN!🤣
Stephen England doesn’t have a prime minister. British PM Liz Truss resigned, remember?
So the Reverent might be right. The only PM in the commonwealth is Australian.
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@Tradesecret
Yes exactly, post 251 is my post.And in post 253 I was noting that Stephen's response in post 252 confirmed everything I said about him in post 251. Nothing in Post 252 by Stephen is true per se. In fact it is a pack of lies. Yet the manner and style and emotion of his message in post 252 as a totality confirmed what I was saying about him in post 251. And he did not let me down.He did exactly what I said he would. Predictable as they come, is Stephen our own local stalker.
post #252
Shila, Stephen lives in a delusional la la land where everyone else is delusional.
Stephens response to Tradesecret below:
“Nope. Just you.
I have said it before Reverend tadesecret. Your self centred personality is only overshadowed by your self-delusion which borders on the pathological. When faced with facts that don't suit you, you will ignore them and make up alternative ones. Of course, the sycophantic fawning you used to receive from some here did go a long way to feed your over inflated ego. That of course has subsided immensely since I exposed you for what you are.
Individuals such as you with narcissistic personality problems don't respond well to criticism. This comes about simply because you believed your own BS.
Having seen and read much haughty self-aggrandizing but ineffectual praises of yourself written by yourself your jumbled up mind can’t decide fantasy from reality.
Individuals like you with narcissistic personality disorders do not respond well when their illusions of personal superiority are challenged and will adopt the role of victim having had their over inflated sense of personal worth and power challenged and then shattered.
The believability of the fantasy seems to be of no consequence. All that seems to count is whether the tall tale helps him rebuild the facade of his perceived greatness while just struggling to be relevant.
Individuals such as you "tradey" with narcissistic personality disorders (NPD) often do not care who they manipulate and lie to or how much harm it may cause by lying.
Of prime importance to NPD suffers is their self-aggrandizement and the propping up of their fragile egos, not the wellbeing of their fellow men and women. .
Off you go now. There's a good lad.”
It might have been necessary to stalk you to get all the information about you that he managed to get and post here.
Now if you also add to stephen’s list what BrotherD. had to say about you, Reverend you need some serious help. You might even need to get all that eastern religion flushed out of your system to help you start anew.
Or even temporarily drop the name Reverend out of respect for the Christian institution you belong to.
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@Stephen
-> @Shila-->@Stephen--> @Shilamisogynist he [Brother D.] is.Well arn't you the one that says the bible should be taken literally?But at the least one should know who said it.One does know who said it. It was you.
When one is quoting scriptures like Timothy and Proverbs one should know who said it.
But at the least one should know who said it.
BrotherD. keeps quoting Paul who never met Jesus during his ministry. Then he quotes Proverbs which was written by Solomon. All the time claiming they were inspired by Jesus. Solomon was from 970 to 930 BCE.
In our example.
Who wrote most of the Proverbs in the Bible?
Proverbs 1–9: "Proverbs of Solomon, Son of David, King of Israel" Proverbs 10–22:16: "Proverbs of Solomon"
Proverbs was written by Solomon around 970 to 930 BCE.
Paul/Saul wrote Timothy. Jesus asked Paul to stop persecuting him in a vision Paul had on the road to Damascus. Can’t you find someone better to quote?
Acts 9:4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
Jesus never wrote a Gospel or any part of the Bible even though the Gospels tell us he could read and write.
The only thing Jesus ever wrote was a message to a woman in the sand once.
John 8:But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
You are dealing with a scripturally ignorant BrotherD.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
--> @ShilaShila, as Bible dumbfounded as Miss Tradesecret,YOUR QUOTE IN POST #268 IN SAYING JESUS' INSPIRED WORDS ARE LIES AND WHERE JESUS DID NOT WRITE THE BIBLE!: "You are quoting scriptures that Jesus did not write or inspire.""ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD” (2 TIMOTHY 3:16).
Paul/Saul wrote Timothy. Jesus asked Paul to stop persecuting him in a vision Paul had on the road to Damascus. Can’t you find someone better to quote?
Acts 9:4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
Shila, what part of the passage above don't you understand, bible dumb ass! Who is God again? YES, Jesus the Christ, so you fail once again in your Satanic quote above! Therefore, Jesus did not write the Bible literally, but through His inspiration to the Bible writers that did, THEREFORE JESUS DID WRITE THE BIBLE, understood Bible fool?
You are quoting scriptures that Jesus did not write or inspire.
Jesus never wrote a Gospel or any part of the Bible even though the Gospels tell us he could read and write.
The only thing Jesus ever wrote was a message to a woman in the sand once.
John 8:But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
You are scripturally ignorant BrotherD.
God damn, you are miserably Bible stupid at all costs! You will definitely go down in this DEBATEART Religion Forum's history as one of the most dumbfounded pseudo-christian women that it has ever seen!!!
You are so much lesser educated than Shila and earn a fraction of what Shila earns. Why do you continue to deny you are so much more inferior than Shila a woman?
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@Tradesecret
-->@ShilaStephen confirmed everything I said - in post 251.
Post #251 was your post.
You posted, “ Shila, Stephen lives in a delusional la la land where everyone else is delusional and attacks him but where he never does anything wrong.
He doesn't see insulting, refuting, arguing, using ad hominem arguments, gee pretty much everything as "attacking".
It would be nice if Stephen gave us an example of what an attack is - since he is the only one on this site who knows what an "attack" is.
But don't hold your breath. Just wait for the non-attacking replies that Stephen will send our way - all for our own good.”
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@Stephen
--> @Shilamisogynist he [Brother D.] is.Well arn't you the one that says the bible should be taken literally?
But at the least one should know who said it.
BrotherD. keeps quoting Paul who never met Jesus during his ministry. Then he quotes Proverbs which was written by Solomon. All the time claiming they were inspired by Jesus. Solomon was from 970 to 930 BCE.
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-->@ShilaYou cite a survey by Ariela Keysar and Juhem Navarro-Rivera about atheism, but nothing for the 93% on ice cream. Honestly I'm starting to think you're a bot again.
What percent of the world doesn't like ice cream?
The Rise of a Cleaner Alternative
"As our survey shows, only one percent of the population doesn't like ice cream – but of those who enjoy it, only 45 percent eat it regularly without concern," said Amit Pandhi.
How many people in the world do not like ice cream?
This survey reveals that 7% of respondents don't eat ice cream.
That means 93% like ice cream.
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--> @ShilaThose are completely different percentages than you were using before, and you have cited no new source for 93% on ice cream. Furthermore, you didn't contest either the point on objectivity, or the lack of correlation, you just changed your numbers. Your new 86% minimum overlap number is the same as my 60%, just based on different (uncited) base percentages.
The numbers changed because:
How many people in the world do not like ice cream?
This survey reveals that 7% of respondents don't eat ice cream.
That means 93% like ice cream.
Number of atheists should be 7%
According to sociologists Ariela Keysar and Juhem Navarro-Rivera's review of numerous global studies on atheism, there are 450 to 500 million positive atheists and agnostics worldwide (7% of the world's population).
So even if we exclude both groups and add their numbers to 14% combined , we still have 86% of the world population who love God and ice cream.
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@Stephen
--> @ShilaHow do you explain it was God that moved the Reverend to become a believer?It not for me to explain, is it? That is another one for the Reverend to lie about, He simply tells, us "god chose" him.. God is a bad judge of character if you ask me.What valued did God see in the Reverend now that we have the Reverend’s confession.The Reverend has made many of these "confessions". I have no idea why he bothered unless it was to garner sympathy whenever he felt "attacked " and "bullied"."value"? Pathetic really. Still, that is his own business. It doesn't interest me; I am not so easily impressed.
Can you imagine what the Reverend was before God moved him?
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--> @BrotherD.Thomasthey are stupid children; they have no understanding.I think that covers it , Brother D.
That covers nothing. It only exposes BrotherD. for the low income scripturally ignorant misogynist he is.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
As is easily shown, Shila and Public-Choice are directly guilty of the following passages written by the inspired word of Jesus the Christ:
Jesus never wrote a Gospel or any part of the Bible even though the Gospels tell us he could read and write.
The only thing Jesus ever wrote was a message to a woman in the sand once.
John 8:But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
You are scripturally ignorant BrotherD.
"One who is wise is cautious and turns away from evil, but a fool is reckless and careless. A man of quick temper acts foolishly, and a man of evil devices is hated. The simple inherit folly, but the prudent are crowned with knowledge." (Proverbs 14:16-18)
You are quoting Proverbs that was compiled by Solomon and is comprised of his own writings plus contributions from people known only as “the wise”
"Always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth." (2 Timothy 3:7)
Paul/Saul wrote Timothy. Jesus asked Paul to stop persecuting him in a vision Paul had on the road to Damascus. Can’t you find someone better to quote?
Acts 9:4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
"Not Helpful Claiming to be wise, they became fools," (Romans 1:22)“For my people are foolish; they know me not; they are stupid children; they have no understanding. They are ‘wise’—in doing evil! But how to do good they know not.” (Jeremiah 4:22)
Paul/Saul wrote Romans. Jesus asked Paul to stop persecuting him in a vision Paul had on the road to Damascus. Can’t you find someone better to quote?
Acts 9:4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
You are quoting scriptures that Jesus did not write or inspire.
Jesus never wrote a Gospel or any part of the Bible even though the Gospels tell us he could read and write.
The only thing Jesus ever wrote was a message to a woman in the sand once.
John 8:But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
You are scripturally ignorant BrotherD.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
*********** SHILA, THEREFORE YOU BLATANT BIBLE STUPID FOOL, PROVERBS WAS NOT WRITTEN BY SOLOMON, BUT BY JESUS THE CHRIST AS GOD AS EXPLICITLY SHOWN IN THE ABOVE PASSAGES! DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS TIME, OR DO YOU NEED FURTHER EXPLANATION FROM MY NEIGHBOR'S 2ND GRADE CHRISTIAN LITTLE BOY NAMED "TOMMY" THAT IS IN YOUR LOW LEVEL OF THINKING CAPABILITIES AND PERCEIVED KNOWLEDGE? ROFLOL!!!! ***************Shila, what is so sad for you and your presence upon this Religion Forum, is that many of its members will be using your ungodly thread against you in the future in showing your outright biblical stupidity, and by going directly against Jesus, AS GOD, as shown in the above passages, in erroneously and Satanically precluding that Jesus did not write the Bible, which is BLASPHEME!!!!
Jesus never wrote a Gospel or any part of the Bible even though the Gospels tell us he could read and write.
The only thing Jesus ever wrote was a message to a woman in the sand once.
John 8:But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
You are scripturally ignorant BrotherD.
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SHILA, WRONG AGAIN!!! In biblically schooling you once AGAIN, I present the following biblical axioms that you seem to not understand AGAIN, but what did we expect from you being a woman in the first place? "The woman Folly is loud; she is seductive and knows nothing.” (Proverbs 9:13)1. THE BIBLE STATES THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD IN JESUS: “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” (1 Timothy 2:5)
The verse says Jesus is only a mediator between God and men.
2. JESUS IS THE SERIAL KILLER YAHWEH GOD INCARNATE, THE ONE GOD: “Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christhave received a faith as precious as ours."
Peter lied about jesus 3 times.
Luke 22: Peter sat down with them. 56 A servant girl saw him seated there in the firelight. She looked closely at him and said, “This man was with him.”
57 But he denied it. “Woman, I don’t know him,” he said.
58 A little later someone else saw him and said, “You also are one of them.”
“Man, I am not!” Peter replied.
59 About an hour later another asserted, “Certainly this fellow was with him, for he is a Galilean.”
60 Peter replied, “Man, I don’t know what you’re talking about!” Just as he was speaking, the rooster crowed. 61 The Lord turned and looked straight at Peter. Then Peter remembered the word the Lord had spoken to him: “Before the rooster crows today, you will disown me three times.” 62 And he went outside and wept bitterly.
57 But he denied it. “Woman, I don’t know him,” he said.
58 A little later someone else saw him and said, “You also are one of them.”
“Man, I am not!” Peter replied.
59 About an hour later another asserted, “Certainly this fellow was with him, for he is a Galilean.”
60 Peter replied, “Man, I don’t know what you’re talking about!” Just as he was speaking, the rooster crowed. 61 The Lord turned and looked straight at Peter. Then Peter remembered the word the Lord had spoken to him: “Before the rooster crows today, you will disown me three times.” 62 And he went outside and wept bitterly.
3. THEREFORE, JESUS AS THE ONE GOD WITHIN THE SCRIPTURES, INSPIRED EVERY WORD OF IT, PERIOD!: “And we also thank God constantly for this, that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God.” (1 Thessalonians 2:13)
Jesus never wrote anything. Jesus himself quoted from 24 books in the Old Testament that were written centuries before Jesus began his ministry.
4. "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation, for the prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." (2 Peter 1:20-21)
Jesus claimed the Holy Spirit could only come after he was gone. So Jesus never enjoyed the Holy Spirits presence.
John 16:7 But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.
5. “EVERY word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5).
You are quoting Proverbs that was compiled by Solomon and is comprised of his own writings plus contributions from people known only as “the wise”
6. “And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.” (Luke 4:4)
Jesus wanted them to eat his flesh instead.
John 6:51 I am the living breadthat came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”52 Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
7. “Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.” (James 1:22)
No one wanted to eat Jesus.
John 6:60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”
66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.
8. "ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD” (2 TIMOTHY 3:16)
Paul/Saul wrote Timothy. Jesus asked Paul to stop persecuting him in a vision Paul had on the road to Damascus. Can’t you find someone better to quote?
Acts 9:4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
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@Stephen
--> @Shila--> @Deb-8-a-bullIm just going to hold back on that post from yesterday.After watching a little more interactions, my moral glands went down.Well Deb, your moral glands couldn't have sunk down anywhere near as low than these patronising unnecessary and uncalled for slights directed towards you from non-other than a man of god too."Cute and backward"Sounds like a public confession from the Reverend.Yep, another one. He can't help himself. But then cries about " bullying " when his own backstory is brought to the fore.
How do you explain it was God that moved the Reverend to become a believer? What valued did God see in the Reverend now that we have the Reverend’s confession.
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@Stephen
--> @Deb-8-a-bullIm just going to hold back on that post from yesterday.After watching a little more interactions, my moral glands went down.Well Deb, your moral glands couldn't have sunk down anywhere near as low that these patronising unnecessary and uncalled for slights directed towards you from non-other than a man of god too."Cute and backward"
Sounds like a public confession from the Reverend. There certainly were low moments.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
Public-Choice, and your equal Bible fool Shila,YOUR ONCE AGAIN GRASPING FOR THE PROVERBIAL STRAWS POST #248: "21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire. - Matthew 5:21-22 ESV. Just a friendly reminder that Jesus tells us not to call other people fools."OMG, how many times have I seen posts like yours above where you "think" you have the upper hand, but in turn, you leave yourself wide-open to continued ridicule within this forum that you have absolutely no business in being here in the first place because of you outright being a BIBLE FOOL!In using your passage towards me in Matthew 5:21-22, the key word is "LIABLE" to hell fire, which is likely to experience something adverse, but NOT an absolute, understood Bible fool? Huh? Therefore, since my Jesus always forgives me in calling you the blatant Bible fool that you are (Ephesians 1:7), then I don't have to worry, get it, Bible fool?The blatant irony is, that since you didn't know you were stepping into the proverbial poo again relating to the term "fool," regarding your complete Bible ignorance, therefore you are guilty of the following Jesus inspired passages herewith when I call you a FOOL!:
"A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion." (Proverbs 18:2)
"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction." (Proverbs 1:7)
"A fool's lips walk into a fight, and his mouth invites a beating." (Proverbs 18:6)
"If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet." (Proverbs 29:9)THE NEXT BIBLE FOOL LIKE "PUBLIC CHOICE" THAT WANTS TO STEP IN THE PROVERBIAL POO, WILL BE ...? LOL!!!
For someone who only finished high school sand earns just 20,000$ annually. Being called a fool repeatedly must have led you to accept Proverbs as your guiding scriptures. Unfortunately you have not overcome your scriptural ignorance.
Jesus did not inspire those passages written in Proverbs.
Who wrote most of the Proverbs in the Bible?
Proverbs 1–9: "Proverbs of Solomon, Son of David, King of Israel" Proverbs 10–22:16: "Proverbs of Solomon"
You should be ashamed to call yourself a Christian!!
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@Stephen
-> @BrotherD.ThomasSeriously, Public-Choice acts in the same manner as the equally Bible fool Ethang5! Do you think that Ethang5 has gotten under the radar here at DEBATEART Religion Forum since he was banned for good?Who knows, Brother D. Is it a coincidence that they all joined the forum in the same time frame? I don't really care. They all have the same default at the end of the day.
Now you have joined BrotherD. in his conspiracy theories.
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--> @ShilaThat is a statistical fact that 80% of the world love both God and ice cream.1. Without correlative data, this is almost definitely false. While ~80% of the world population (extrapolated from a smaller scale survey/study) report enjoying ice cream, and ~80% report belief in a God, they are not the same 80%. There could theoretically be as low as only 60% of people both believing in God and enjoying ice cream. If we assume zero correlation, then the number would be approximately (0.8x0.8) = 64% of the population.
According to sociologists Ariela Keysar and Juhem Navarro-Rivera's review of numerous global studies on atheism, there are 450 to 500 million positive atheists and agnostics worldwide (7% of the world's population).
So the percentage of people who love God and Ice Cream is higher than 60%. They are close to 73%.
2. Before you were arguing that the statement "ice cream is delicious" is an objective fact, now you are arguing that the statement "80% of humans enjoy eating ice cream" is an objective fact. Given that the latter statement is true, the former is definitionally disproven, as 20% of the population doesn't enjoy it, ergo not objectively and universally found to be delicious.
According to sociologists Ariela Keysar and Juhem Navarro-Rivera's review of numerous global studies on atheism, there are 450 to 500 million positive atheists and agnostics worldwide (7% of the world's population).
How many people in the world do not like ice cream?
This survey reveals that 7% of respondents don't eat ice cream.
Even here the number of people who like ice cream is around 93%. That’s leaves the 7% who don’t like ice creams equal to the 7% atheists in the world. So even if we exclude both groups and add their numbers we still have 86% of the world population who love God and ice cream.
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@Tradesecret
--> @Shila @StephenHe has repeatedly attacked Reverend Tradesecret.If you are going to keep alleging this let's have some evidence of these "attacks".Shila, Stephen lives in a delusional la la land where everyone else is delusional and attacks him but where he never does anything wrong.He doesn't see insulting, refuting, arguing, using ad hominem arguments, gee pretty much everything as "attacking".It would be nice if Stephen gave us an example of what an attack is - since he is the only one on this site who knows what an "attack" is.But don't hold your breath. Just wait for the non-attacking replies that Stephen will send our way - all for our own good.
I am following Stephen’s post very carefully to look for signs of delusional la la land where everyone else is delusional and attacks him but where he never does anything wrong.
He teamed up with BrotherD. which backs up your claim.
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@Tradesecret
--> @StephenHi Stephen,thanks for the response. It confirmed everything I said.Thanks for playing.
You admit Stephen confirmed everything you said about yourself.
Shila, Stephen lives in a delusional la la land where everyone else is delusional.
Stephen replied to your post.
Nope. Just you.
I have said it before Reverend tadesecret. Your self centred personality is only overshadowed by your self-delusion which borders on the pathological. When faced with facts that don't suit you, you will ignore them and make up alternative ones. Of course, the sycophantic fawning you used to receive from some here did go a long way to feed your over inflated ego. That of course has subsided immensely since I exposed you for what you are.
Individuals such as you with narcissistic personality problems don't respond well to criticism. This comes about simply because you believed your own BS.Having seen and read much haughty self-aggrandizing but ineffectual praises of yourself written by yourself your jumbled up mind can’t decide fantasy from reality.
Individuals like you with narcissistic personality disorders do not respond well when their illusions of personal superiority are challenged and will adopt the role of victim having had their over inflated sense of personal worth and power challenged and then shattered.
The believability of the fantasy seems to be of no consequence. All that seems to count is whether the tall tale helps him rebuild the facade of his perceived greatness while just struggling to be relevant.
Individuals such as you "tradey" with narcissistic personality disorders (NPD) often do not care who they manipulate and lie to or how much harm it may cause by lying.
Of prime importance to NPD suffers is their self-aggrandizement and the propping up of their fragile egos, not the wellbeing of their fellow men and women. .
Off you go now. There's a good lad.
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Seriously, Public-Choice acts in the same manner as the equally Bible fool Ethang5! Do you think that Ethang5 has gotten under the radar here at DEBATEART Religion Forum since he was banned for good?Who knows, Brother D. Is it a coincidence that they all joined the forum in the same time frame? I don't really care. They all have the same default at the end of the day.Hey, I thought I was this Ethang guy, just how many prople here are Ethang anyway, you guys make up your mind will you.
If you guys miss this guy Ethang so much.why don’t you all ask the mods to let him back in, instead or calling each other Ethang5.
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@Public-Choice
--> @BrotherD.ThomasBible fool21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire. - Matthew 5:21-22 ESVJust a friendly reminder that Jesus tells us not to call other people fools.
Every post of BrotherD starts out calling people Bible fools. Matthew 5:31-22 definitely applies to him.
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@Tradesecret
--> @BrotherD.ThomasNow you have confused me. Are you a man? No seriously. Are you a man? And he I am thinking you were a duck.If it looks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, and thinks like a duck, then well logic says - it must be a duck.I reckon you are duck, you old cheeky thing you. Don't be confusing us again. You old thing you.
Looks like your duck insults are working. BrotherD hasn’t uttered a quack since.
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@Best.Korea
--> @Deb-8-a-bullI am the truth. Others are not the truth. What I say is right.People askWhat is necessary for someone to enter heaven?I sayAll that is necessary to enter heaven directly is to obey Bible literally.There are those who will first go to hell to pay for their crimes, then they will go to heaven.The time spent in hell is proportional to the crimes person committed.The more the person obeys the Bible, the less time the person will spend in hell
So eventually all go to heaven after serving time in hell.
In North Korea they go directly to heaven because they pay for their crimes in Korean jails, then they will go to heaven.
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The American people want to be lied to because the truth is too painful. Why do you think America has so many super heroes? Because the average American does not feel Americans can fix any problems. They need super heroes.
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-->@ShilaI didn't say that they did
Read your exchange.
If X is a good dictator and the circumcision went bad. The two are related. The bad Circumcision made him a better dictator.
-->@ShilaEverything is relative within a Universe.For example, the perverse paedophilic act of circumcision and X the dicktator.
Here you are giving the same example of relative after Shila said the two are related.
Related and relative don’t mean the same thing.
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An April 2023 jury trial has been scheduled in Dominion Voting Systems Inc's $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit accusing Fox News of trying to boost its ratings by falsely claiming the voting machine company rigged the 2020 U.S. presidential election against former President Donald Trump.
In a short written order issued on Friday, Delaware state court judge Eric Davis said he was scheduling Denver-based Dominion's lawsuit for trial on April 17, 2023. Fox, part of Fox Corp (FOXA.O), had asked Owens for a trial date in early 2024.
In a short written order issued on Friday, Delaware state court judge Eric Davis said he was scheduling Denver-based Dominion's lawsuit for trial on April 17, 2023. Fox, part of Fox Corp (FOXA.O), had asked Owens for a trial date in early 2024.
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-> @ShilaExactly what I meant about cherry picking.So, such and such happened and everything else is temporarily irrelevant.It's like saying that heavy snow brought down the power lines, but because you are cold and without power now, it's the fault of the power company for not fixing in quickly enough. The cause of the problem is conveniently forgotten and therefore irrelevant.
You are not very bright. You already declared it's the fault of the power company for not fixing in quickly enough.
The weather is not responsible for fixing the power lines.
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@Stephen
The Reverend gave reasons for the thread on Josephus following the case for the Historical Jesus by Shila.Reverend wrote: You would hardly expect anything else though would you? Christians rely upon the bible - but since some people without a clue or an education suggest the bible is not a valid source to rely upon will only accept other sources - the go to case is going to be Josephus. There are a few others but too many - since there are not too many sources for anything back then for anybody. You would have to be a fool not to think that Christians wouldn't rely upon Josephus.Nope. What the Reverend is doing in that post in all his perceived wisdom - is simply saying that Christians will point to Josephus as support for their opinion that the bible is valid. And I agreed. Why ever wouldn't they? But the fact is, it appears to be that Reverend that is the only one here that dismissing Josephus outright because S/he says:Treadsecret wrote: "we obviously have no eyewitness accounts that he is a real historical figure. He's probably a legend someone dreamed up. We can probably dismiss most of his work as made up. #1I had to remind the cretinous clown that if he is talking about discarding and dismissing the ancient works of Josephus in its entirety then the same can be said for all ancient works including the bible. Here>>> #8For all of his/her alleged high education, the Reverend produces some of the weakest if not childish arguments that go nowhere in supporting his bible, his religion, his god or his faith.
You raise a strong argument against the Reverend. Reverend is someone who likes it both ways apparently from your examples.
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@3RU7AL
--> @Shila"objective" does not mean "majority opinion"
Over 80% of the world believe in a God. That matches well with 79% of humans enjoy eating ice cream.
So God and ice cream are objectively equally appreciated
That is not a majority opinion. That is a statistical fact that 80% of the world love both God and ice cream.
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@Stephen
-->@Public-ChoiceHow do you explain Deborah, Esther, and Phoebe being in positions of leadership in addition to the prophetesses Anna, Isaiah's wife, and Philip's four daughters if women are to keep silent in the church?Deborah was a judge over Israel for goodness sake. That was a political office instituted by GodStephen: And how is one to square that with what Timothy or Corinthians has to say about women and the church?
Timothy and Corinthians were written by Paul.
Paul's physical state at the time of his conversion is discussed and related to theseecstatic experiences. It is postulated that both were manifestations of temporal lobe epilepsy. (Luke 1:21-23, 62-65) and concussion (Acts 20:9-12).
Therefore It is more important to know;
How Jesus Viewed and Valued Women
Jesus's Countercultural View of Women
The place of women in the first-century Roman world and in Judaism has been well-documented and set forth in several recent books.1 Most frequently, women were regarded as second-class citizens.
Jesus’s regard for women was much different from that of his contemporaries. Evans terms Jesus’s approach to women as “revolutionary” for his era.2 But was his treatment of women out of character with Old Testament revelation, or with later New Testament practice? Other chapters in this volume will show that it was not.
Disciples Come in Two Sexes, Male and Female
For Christ, women have an intrinsic value equal to that of men. Jesus said, “. . . at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female’” (Matt. 19:4; cf. Gen. 1:27). Women are created in the image of God just as men are. Like men, they have self-awareness, personal freedom, a measure of self-determination, and personal responsibility for their actions.
Scanzoni and Hardesty point out that “Jesus came to earth not primarily as a male but as a person. He treated women not primarily as females but as human beings.”3 Jesus recognized women as fellow human beings. Disciples come in two sexes, male and female. Females are seen by Jesus as genuine persons, not simply as the objects of male desire.4 Hurley believes “the foundation-stone of Jesus’s attitude toward women was his vision of them as persons to whom and for whom he had come. He did not perceive them primarily in terms of their sex, age, or marital status; he seems to have considered them in terms of their relation (or lack of one) to God.”5
Three Clear Examples
Examples of this even-handed treatment of women by Jesus are found in the four Gospels.
First, Jesus regularly addressed women directly while in public. This was unusual for a man to do (John 4:27). The disciples were amazed to see Jesus talking with the Samaritan woman at the well of Sychar (John 4:7-26). He also spoke freely with the woman taken in adultery (John 8:10–11).6 Luke, who gives ample attention to women in his Gospel, notes that Jesus spoke publicly with the widow of Nain (Luke 7:12–13), the woman with the bleeding disorder (Luke 8:48; cf. Matt. 9:22; Mark 5:34), and a woman who called to him from a crowd (Luke 11:27–28). Similarly, Jesus addressed a woman bent over for eighteen years (Luke 13:12) and a group of women on the route to the cross (Luke 23:27-31).
A second aspect of Jesus’s regard for the full intrinsic value of women is seen in how he spoke to the women he addressed. He spoke in a thoughtful, caring manner. Each synoptic writer records Jesus addressing the woman with the bleeding disorder tenderly as “daughter” (references above) and referring to the bent woman as a “daughter of Abraham” (Luke 13:16). Bloesch infers that “Jesus called the Jewish women ‘daughters of Abraham’ (Luke 13:16), thereby according them a spiritual status equal to that of men.”7
Third, Jesus did not gloss over sin in the lives of the women he met. He held women personally responsible for their own sin as seen in his dealings with the woman at the well (John 4:16–18), the woman taken in adultery (John 8:10–11), and the sinful woman who anointed his feet (Luke 7:44–50). Their sin was not condoned, but confronted. Each had the personal freedom and a measure of self-determination to deal with the issues of sin, repentance, and forgiveness.
Jesus's Valuation of Women Today
Even though clear role distinction is seen in Christ’s choice of the apostles and in the exclusive type of work they were given to perform, no barriers need exist between a believer and the Lord Jesus Christ, regardless of gender. Jesus demonstrated only the highest regard for women, in both his life and teaching. He recognized the intrinsic equality of men and women, and continually showed the worth and dignity of women as persons. Jesus valued their fellowship, prayers, service, financial support, testimony and witness. He honored women, taught women, and ministered to women in thoughtful ways.
As a result, women responded warmly to Jesus’s ministry. Have things changed too drastically today for us to see this same Jesus? Not at all. Modern women can find the same rich fulfillment in serving Christ as did the Marys and Marthas of Judea, or the Joannas and Susannas of Galilee.
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Shila, the continued Bible lunatic,YOUR INEPT RESPONSE IN YOUR POST #232 TOWARDS ME: "A Christian attacking Christians on a religion forum is not trolling. It is very disturbing. He has repeatedly attacked Reverend Tradesecret too."HELLO? I am told by none other than the inspired words of Jesus that I am to correct Bible fools like you!!! "For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths." (1 Timothy 4:3-4)
You have barely finished high school and make about 20,000$ annually. You are not qualified to be a teacher. Besides the only quotes you have repeatedly reference is Timothy. You have limited scriptural knowledge.
It is a full time job within this forum in correcting your Bible stupidity, and the equally dumbfounded of the Bible, Tradesecrets Bible ineptness as well! If you have a problem with this godly notion, then I suggest you leave this Religion Forum to save yourself further embarrassment, understood Bible ding-bat?!As it has been easily shown in your total mortification, I have forgotten more about the JUDEO-Christian Bible than you will ever learn! LOL!
Finally we have you confession you have forgotten more about the JUDEO-Christian Bible than you will ever learn! That is a sign you are approaching senility.
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-->@BrotherD.ThomasI am still wondering what the point of tis thread is all about, Brother D.I am still wondering why the Reverend created this thread to be honest, Brother D.I can only guess that the Reverend is trying to ask why is that people (atheist) will accept Josephus as existing when no one will accept that Jesus/god existed or exists. If I am correct, then s/he needs to rethink her whole premiss.
The Reverend gave reasons for the thread on Josephus following the case for the Historical Jesus by Shila.
Reverend wrote: You would hardly expect anything else though would you? Christians rely upon the bible - but since some people without a clue or an education suggest the bible is not a valid source to rely upon will only accept other sources - the go to case is going to be Josephus. There are a few others but too many - since there are not too many sources for anything back then for anybody. You would have to be a fool not to think that Christians wouldn't rely upon Josephus.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
Subsequent to Eve committing the Original Sin, then Jesus' inspired words have shown what He truly thinks of women in the following passages that will NEVER go away, and if trying in vain to refute them, shows contradiction within the Bible which is not to be there in the first place, period!:
How Jesus Viewed and Valued Women
Jesus's Countercultural View of Women
The place of women in the first-century Roman world and in Judaism has been well-documented and set forth in several recent books.1 Most frequently, women were regarded as second-class citizens.
Jesus’s regard for women was much different from that of his contemporaries. Evans terms Jesus’s approach to women as “revolutionary” for his era.2 But was his treatment of women out of character with Old Testament revelation, or with later New Testament practice? Other chapters in this volume will show that it was not.
Disciples Come in Two Sexes, Male and Female
For Christ, women have an intrinsic value equal to that of men. Jesus said, “. . . at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female’” (Matt. 19:4; cf. Gen. 1:27). Women are created in the image of God just as men are. Like men, they have self-awareness, personal freedom, a measure of self-determination, and personal responsibility for their actions.
Scanzoni and Hardesty point out that “Jesus came to earth not primarily as a male but as a person. He treated women not primarily as females but as human beings.”3 Jesus recognized women as fellow human beings. Disciples come in two sexes, male and female. Females are seen by Jesus as genuine persons, not simply as the objects of male desire.4 Hurley believes “the foundation-stone of Jesus’s attitude toward women was his vision of them as persons to whom and for whom he had come. He did not perceive them primarily in terms of their sex, age, or marital status; he seems to have considered them in terms of their relation (or lack of one) to God.”5
Three Clear Examples
Examples of this even-handed treatment of women by Jesus are found in the four Gospels.
First, Jesus regularly addressed women directly while in public. This was unusual for a man to do (John 4:27). The disciples were amazed to see Jesus talking with the Samaritan woman at the well of Sychar (John 4:7-26). He also spoke freely with the woman taken in adultery (John 8:10–11).6 Luke, who gives ample attention to women in his Gospel, notes that Jesus spoke publicly with the widow of Nain (Luke 7:12–13), the woman with the bleeding disorder (Luke 8:48; cf. Matt. 9:22; Mark 5:34), and a woman who called to him from a crowd (Luke 11:27–28). Similarly, Jesus addressed a woman bent over for eighteen years (Luke 13:12) and a group of women on the route to the cross (Luke 23:27-31).
A second aspect of Jesus’s regard for the full intrinsic value of women is seen in how he spoke to the women he addressed. He spoke in a thoughtful, caring manner. Each synoptic writer records Jesus addressing the woman with the bleeding disorder tenderly as “daughter” (references above) and referring to the bent woman as a “daughter of Abraham” (Luke 13:16). Bloesch infers that “Jesus called the Jewish women ‘daughters of Abraham’ (Luke 13:16), thereby according them a spiritual status equal to that of men.”7
Third, Jesus did not gloss over sin in the lives of the women he met. He held women personally responsible for their own sin as seen in his dealings with the woman at the well (John 4:16–18), the woman taken in adultery (John 8:10–11), and the sinful woman who anointed his feet (Luke 7:44–50). Their sin was not condoned, but confronted. Each had the personal freedom and a measure of self-determination to deal with the issues of sin, repentance, and forgiveness.
Jesus's Valuation of Women Today
Even though clear role distinction is seen in Christ’s choice of the apostles and in the exclusive type of work they were given to perform, no barriers need exist between a believer and the Lord Jesus Christ, regardless of gender. Jesus demonstrated only the highest regard for women, in both his life and teaching. He recognized the intrinsic equality of men and women, and continually showed the worth and dignity of women as persons. Jesus valued their fellowship, prayers, service, financial support, testimony and witness. He honored women, taught women, and ministered to women in thoughtful ways.
As a result, women responded warmly to Jesus’s ministry. Have things changed too drastically today for us to see this same Jesus? Not at all. Modern women can find the same rich fulfillment in serving Christ as did the Marys and Marthas of Judea, or the Joannas and Susannas of Galilee.
1. "Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor." (1 Timothy 2:11-14)
It is logical God would not want Adam’s rib (Eve) to be smarter than Adam.
But remember Eve ate the fruit of knowledge first and then offered it to Adam so he would not be dumber than her.
2. “ But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ and the head of the woman in man. For the man is not of the women; but the woman of the man.” (1Corinthians 11: 3,8 )
It is logical God would not want Adam’s rib (Eve) to be smarter than Adam.
But remember Eve ate the fruit of knowledge and then offered it to Adam so he would not be dumber than her.
3. “I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains. The man who pleases God will escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare.” (Ecclesiastes 7:26)
The weakness here is in man.
4. "The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church." (1 Corinthians 14:34-35)
It is logical God would not want Adam’s rib (Eve) to be smarter than Adam.
But remember Eve ate the fruit of knowledge and then offered it to Adam so he would not be dumber than her.
5. "Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered." (1 Peter 3:7)
Women are needed so a man’s prayers may not be hindered. Sounds like a dependency.
6. "It is better to live in a corner of the housetop than in a house shared with a quarrelsome wife." (Proverbs 21:9)
It is now called man cave. Small space reserved for the man of the house. women get the rest.
7. "It is better to live in a desert land than with a quarrelsome and fretful woman." (Proverbs 21:19)
God gave the man limited choices.
8. “ It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house.” (Proverbs 21:9)
God gave the man limited choices.
9. "A quarrelsome wife is as annoying as constant dripping on a rainy day. Stopping her complaints is like trying to stop the wind or trying to hold something with greased hands." (Proverbs 27:15-16)
Women are unstoppable. It’s biblical.
10. " Likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire." (1 Timothy 2:9)
Women should be prepared to accept men with low means.
11. "For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior." (Ephesians 5:23)
Aren’t women glad Jesus did not marry. Jesus remained unemployed throughout his life.
12. "For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man." (1 Corinthians 11:8-9)
That contradicts Genesis 2:18 The LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
BrotherD.Thomas your profile says you only did high school and make about 20,000$ annually. Most women have a higher education and earn more than you. Quoting Paul obviously isn’t improving your own situation.
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Best.Korea: People should obey everything I say.Stephen: Then why don't they?Best.Korea: They think they will benefit from homosexuality and other crimesStephen: That wasn't my question.Why don't people obey everything you say?
You have a way of stumping this Korean god. He might go back to testing missiles.
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@3RU7AL
--> @ShilaWhat if the truth is “Ice cream is delicious".only about 79% of humans enjoy eating ice cream
Over 80% of the world believe in a God. That matches well with 79% of humans enjoy eating ice cream.
So God and ice cream are objectively equally appreciated.
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@Best.Korea
--> @ElliottI decide who is right. I decided that I am right about everything I say. You can talk, but you mostly lie.
So you are in North Korea deciding who is right. Why do you need missiles to convince your neighbours you are right?
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-->@Shila@TarikNothing about that topic has anything to do with appeal to emotion fallacies.Subjectivity is influenced by that.No, it's not. These two things are not even the same category."Ice cream is delicious" is subjective. There is nothing about this statement that has anything to do with the appeal to emotion fallacy.An appeal to emotion fallacy is when you attempt to use someone's emotions to convince them of the truth of an objective statement. For example "if we don't have free will then we're just a collection of atoms doing what they're programmed". The idea that we're just following our programming is grim, so this argument seeks to convince someone as to what the truth of our nature is (an objective truth) based on what they would like it to be ("I don't want to be pre programmed, so I'll believe our nature is whatever means we're not programmed").
What if the truth is “Ice cream is delicious".
Objectivity/Subjectivity is about the type of claim being made. Logical fallacies are about errors in the process of assessing the claim. These two do not overlap.
Logical fallacy is accessing the claim “Ice cream is delicious" without tasting it.
So why don’t you get back to the original conversation which is about what objectivity and subjectivity are, which we had to get into because of the original conversation that morality does not make sense unless it is objective.I will as soon as the person I am responding to decides to have it.
What if he refuses to have it and the ice cream melts. It wont be delicious anymore and the truth “Ice cream is delicious" will no longer be valid.
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--> @Deb-8-a-bullI decide the truth. The truth is that "born again card" will not save you.I wrote in the Bible: Only 144000 people will go straight to heaven.So your chances are almost none.
But that is only one out of 7 billion that you have rejected. Why don’t you post a list of others?
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