Shila

IrrationalMadman,

Actually, no. 

Staying away from stupid people is easy. But when I have to deal with them, it just reminds me why I hate stupid people and stay away from them. 

-> @Tarik

-->@Stephen

Other gods. Exodus 34:14

Other Gods aren’t applicable to atheists.

Regardless. You asked question about god and you had your answer from the horse's mouth. 

Exodus 34:14  Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

Interesting that this jealous god acknowledges that other gods existed in his time. something else Christians are at pains to deny.

--> @zedvictor4

Living matter is being rendered lifeless via abortion.

And? 

Every time a guy jerks off and ejaculates, “living matter is being rendered lifeless.”

Every time you bleed after being cut expelling skin tissue and blood, “living matter is being rendered lifeless.”

I can go on and on and on…

Human in origin, though how we choose to label it further is a semantics issue rather than a moral issue.

Every cell in the human organism is human in origin. It’s not semantics. It’s scientific fact. 

How we choose to compare said matter with post-natal human beings varies.

And each time will be a false equivalency fallacy. 

As does how we choose to apply viability and importance during the process of pre-natal development.

Nope. There is only one kind of relevant viability where a pregnancy is concerned, fetal viability. 

And unfortunately, as does how we apply importance to fully developed humans and other living organisms.

False equivalency fallacy 

Hence Hypocrisy and selective morality are rife.

Nope. Remove your logical fallacy problems and there is no hypocrisy or selective morality issue(s). 

Abortion reduces crime.

As such, abortion reduces the number of "human weeds" that need to be plucked from humanity/reality.

The current state of the world PROVES why "eugenics" works. 

We are pretty delayed with it. Personally, I am working on a ton of other projects within my future career + school work + social life. The procedure itself is relatively the same as before, it's just about when we have the time to oversee it 

--> @Shila

Are you tolling for neo-Nazis?

--> @Shila

He must be jealous of everything. That is why He gave the Jews 613 commandments to follow.

A commandment doesn’t necessarily equate to jealousy.

Picked up an old small mill lathe combo, anybody need anything made, need meaningful projects. Max diameter is 6inches max length 12 inches. Milling max is 6x9x4

--> @Tarik

Objective means 'not dependent on mind

Which conflicts with the definition “(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.”

Linking me to an earlier post where you demonstrate that you don’t understand basic English is not an argument.

“Not influenced by personal feelings” does not conflict with “being independent of the mind”. In fact the former is necessarily entailed in the latter;

The shape of the earth is not influenced by personal feelings therefore the shape of the earth is independent of the mind.

It’s basically the same damn thing.

We learned the difference between objectivity and subjectivity in grade school. Who don’t you understand this?

-> @IwantRooseveltagain

Saying AIPAC is a more well known Jewish reference than Rothschild or Soros is laughable

They're about equally well known. In the minds of liberals, AIPAC is up there with the NRA.

But my point is, a liberal Congressperson who criticized AIPAC would not get CNN pundits repeating claims that he/she was screeching nonsense about "the Jewish lobby". This, of course, would be equivalent to how MTG was treated. It was patently unfair and reflected a double standard in how journalists talk about Democrat vs. Republican politicians.

The reason the Rothschilds are a common target for conspiracy theories is they are Jews, not bankers but JEWISH bankers.

That was probably what kickstarted the whole conspiracy theory in the first place. But that says nothing about the motives of people who are unaware of the Rothschilds' Jewishness.

In the case of George Soros, I've heard people accuse him of being involved in the Hitler Youth as a child (which a lot of European kids at that time did, including a former Pope, but whatever). Seeing as how Jewish kids ended up with a very different "involvement", this is clearly impossible and it suggests that many, many George Soros haters are unaware of his actual background.

--> @Shila

For the Lord your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.

What is He jealous of?

--> @TWS1405

I am stupid

-> @Swagnarok

Most people didn't know Trump had a Jewish family, so you can't blame Trump haters for being "anti-Jewish"

I guess you could make a broad generalization that most haters are pretty ignorant of reality

--> @3RU7AL

i'm asking if "objective morality" can be applied to the real-world

Why are you asking me this?

Yes it is. All information are stored in at least one computer somewhere, in the form of electric signals that can be quantized and materialized(such as hard drives).

Is the United States real? All we have are borders, governmental buildings and some administrative assholes yelling that this is in fact America.

-->@Shila

That's 1133 out of 1.4 billion just to put it in perspective.

How the other 1399998867 are doing one couldn't say.

And is class relative to wealth, heredity, intellect or what.

Firstly, the math was correct with regard to billionaire to general public ratio.

Secondly, I was questioning the criteria by which one might measure class.

--> @Shila

45 trillion, is a comparative amount applied for the purposes of sensationalism.

Using the blacky v whitey mantra to cherry pick specific bits of recent history to justify the disparate society that is Modern India.

By an ex-Indian doing well in the U.S.A

--> @IwantRooseveltagain

The Rothschilds are such a ubiquitous conspiracy theorist trope that I'm sure not everyone who mentions them even knows that they're Jewish. If you simply hear from some guy on YouTube that these nebulous Rothschilds are controlling everything, then you'll likely parrot the talking point with or without knowledge of who exactly the Rothschilds are. I can absolutely envision MTG doing this.

The same with George Soros (his name doesn't exactly scream "Jew") and whoever else

--> @Shila

If insisting that an argument be rational is a reduction to you then you have issues I can’t help you with.

I am asking why you  lost 2 of the 2 debates you participated in if you are so rational?

Is it always because your rational argument is irrational by definition.

I lost both debates according to the subjective opinion of the majority of readers who cast their vote. A vote by the way, which almost exclusively aligned with the beliefs of said individuals coming into the debate.

All of this however is irrelevant to this discussion. I’m not proclaiming myself to be some kind of genius, I’m talking about basic principals of reason that you according to your own arguments reject. Do you have any response to that, or do you just want to continue measuring dicks with our debate record ruler?

--> @Shila

But there is punishment for rejecting God.

Why is there punishment?

-->

@Novice_II

My general opinion on the topic is that if there were a good argument for abortion, I would probably have become pro choice by now. The entitlement of this should be self-explanatory given that I am pro life. 

Legalized abortion and crime effect - Wikipedia

Abortion reduces crime.

As such, abortion reduces the number of "human weeds" that need to be plucked from humanity/reality.

The current state of the world PROVES why "eugenics" works

Degenerates need to stop procreating. Yes. I am advocating Eugenics.

Idiots, drug addicts, future Dahmers, et al. need to be stopped.

Liberals are the truest threat to human evolution.

--> @Greyparrot

--> @Shila

Beep boop.

Is that how you communicate when stressed?

--> @Swagnarok

-->@TWS1405

How so? Please explain your reasoning.

See below.

Whenever you fall asleep, you experiencing further life upon waking up is a mere potentiality, is it not? Heck, if you were awake but then killed instantly by a shot to the head, you would be deprived of nothing but a mere potential further existence, would you not?

No one's life ceases to be any less or more of [a] life (physical existence) when sleeping. Sleep is a normal physiological part of our biology; it is a necessity for good/balanced mental and physical health. 

A born human being is an actualized human being. Once actualized, that human being never becomes anything less than, that is, until death, naturally. 

The fact that you had to ask me to explain the obvious here is dumbfounding, but not surprising. It also demonstrates the fact that you fail to understand/comprehend the terms potentiality and actuality whereas the context of the abortion debate is concerned. 

-> @Shila

-->

@Shila

We have you admission you are not looking for truth anymore. You looked for truth and never found it. And like also admit you haven't found what you are looking for yet - or else you wouldn't be here. 

I know that English is not your first language so I just want you to know I won't hold that against you in your interpretation of what I have written. 

I am not looking for truth anymore - why? Because it found me.   Why would I keep looking if I have now been found my truth?

And as for me  being here - I am an exception to the rule.  I know that sounds weak and probably is.  but its true. I also like to talk with people who are looking for the truth - and hopefully I can assist them in some way.  Either by leading them to the truth or by helping them to see the truth more clearly.  I admit I don't always do a good job.

You said the same thing in another post but quite differently.

Tradesecret:  I don't need to search for truth anymore. Truth found me.  As someone once said - if you can't take Muhammed to the mountain - you bring the mountain to Muhammed.  There are more than one way to skin a cat.    The interesting thing about Christianity - is truth is not a concept - it is a person

If truth in Christianity is not a concept, it is a person and the person is Jesus.

Then truth in Christianity was crucified. Jesus was mocked, beaten and crucified.

Yes I did.  and you can read my response there.  

--> @Shila

-> @Shila

I don't need to search for truth anymore. Truth found me.  As someone once said - if you can't take Muhammed to the mountain - you bring the mountain to Muhammed.  There are more than one way to skin a cat.    The interesting thing about Christianity - is truth is not a concept - it is a person

If truth in Christianity is not a concept, it is a person and the person is Jesus.

Then truth in Christianity was crucified. Jesus was mocked, beaten and crucified.

You know Harikrish, that is probably more insightful than you know.  Jesus was crucified. He was mocked and beaten.  And that is what the world really thinks about truth.   It is not interested in the truth. It just wants its own way.   And that is why it reflects you. You don't want to know the truth. Truth in your worldview is subjective anyway. And it is the same in secular - humanism and atheism.  Truth - in the 21st century has become post modern. It has been thrown out the window. Lost to the ages.   

Yet, what you omitted about Christianity, is that in its teachings is that truth was resurrected.  And all that know the truth - will be set free.   their condemnation will be cast aside.  Their lives will rejoice.  And I for one am happy about this.   I am the way the truth and the life. Those are the words of Jesus. 

Both Trump and George Floyd are victims of rogue law enforcement officers breaking the law.

The bad apples at the FBI tried to do to Trump exactly what the bad apples at the MN police dept did to George Floyd.

See any liberals calling for reform at the FBI? Trump is white, so he can't possibly be a victim

--> @Ehyeh

Nivice_II: Currently, none. We could of course make some compelling debates, I have tried to make some interesting engagements, just like you and many others. Three people in the top 10 I have challenged declined. It would have been four had Oromagi not accepted. I guess it is hard to find something interesting these days.

-> @Shila

You can't communicate without AI.

--> @Shila

Being foolish is not immoral.

Seriously dude why do you keep saying this? When did I ever conflate the two?

There’s nothing moral about the rejection of God.

Psalms 14 and 53, and Rom 3:10–12.

No

--> @Shila

Parents are only responsible to create a safe environment. 

For example, not to give a gun to a child.

However, when it comes to childs body, I dont see why would parents have any right to decide about childs body. It doesnt belong to them.

If something doesnt harm a child, why would child not be able to do it?

Well, people have different view about what is harmful.

About child labour: 

Society is responsible not to give jobs to children, same way parents are responsible not to give guns to their children.

I am not someone who believes in objective morality. In fact, I think all moral systems are flawed in some way.

But moral systems usually revolve around amount of life, harm or consent, or some combination of these.

When it comes to harm, most people just assume that all sexual activities are terribly harmful for children. They even want to stop children from masturbating.

So really, what is the point of moral system based on harm if people dont know what is harmful and what isnt?

Gullible?

MTG is not a spiritual leader. She is a government official and works in that capacity alone. She could be a hard-orgying devil worshiping meth addict, but so long as she both governed competently (which, in all fairness to you, she doesn't) and reasonably upheld the legitimate interests of her Christian constituents, there would be no particular inconsistency in voting for her.

Of course, MTG is not a hard-orgying devil worshiping meth addict. She's a person from a Christian or vaguely Christian background who is morally flawed in roughly the same ways as the average American. If she uses religious language in her posturing, that could be intended to signal "I recognize your legitimate interests as Christian Americans and I will try to uphold these", not that she herself is a contemporary Billy Graham.

--> @Shila

Sure. And a fetus, if born, would enjoy that same lifespan. More of it, in fact, since a murdered 35 year old has already burned through 35 years of life and only has 45 years left.

Whenever you fall asleep, you experiencing further life upon waking up is a mere potentiality, is it not?

Heck, if you were awake but then killed instantly by a shot to the head, you would be deprived of nothing but a mere potential further existence, would you not?

-> @Shila

🤦‍♂️🙄🤦‍♂️

--> @Shila

Hell, she just needs to have nice smelling hair and put on a kids mask and she can get free sniffs too!

--> @Shila

Beep boop.

--> @Shila

So you’re not gonna actually engage with the whole scripture? You’re just repeating yourself over and over again.

--> @Shila

I am fairly certain that the message in of itself was typed solely in the language of English whether you like it or not.

--> @Greyparrot

Biden is committed to fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian.

Zelensky is committed to fighting Russia until the last American dollar.

Beep boop

--> @Mharman

-> @sadolite

Just vaccinate yourself, you'll be fine

It doesn’t look like he is fine. It has only increased his death wish,

--> @Shila

I think that childs body belongs only to the child.

So only the child can decide if she wants sex.

Freedom of speech also allows an adult to flert with a child, but it seems that others dont want to have freedom of speech in their society when it doesnt suit them.

--> @Shila

Melanie Trump is not divorcing Trump.

So why is Marjorie Taylor Greene getting divorced after 27 years of marriage? Trump isn’t  available.

Greene's husband asked for the divorce, and just because Trump is not divorcing Melania doesn't mean he's not available, just ask Stormy Daniels, or Marla Maples, or Jessica Leeds, or Karen McDougal, or all the women he grabbed by the naughty parts because "when you're a star, you can do anything to women", or........

--> @sadolite

I am being a devils advocate

No, you’re not. 

A true DA would retort with actual intelligent arguments grounded in some measure of facts/reality. Your arguments are wholeheartedly ignorant. 

--> @Shila

But the crowd wanted Jesus crucified for blasphemy. 

The crowd was foolish.

No

--> @TWS1405

Whenever you fall asleep, you experiencing further life upon waking up is a mere potentiality, is it not?

Heck, if you were awake but then killed instantly by a shot to the head, you would be deprived of nothing but a mere potential further existence, would you not?

--> @Greyparrot

Biden is committed to fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian.

Zelensky is committed to fighting Russia until the last American dollar.

Beep boop

If you repeat it enough times Putin might believe you.

--> @Shila

So he was just a fool. 

No

-> @sadolite

Just vaccinate yourself, you'll be fine

Biden is committed to fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian.

Zelensky is committed to fighting Russia until the last American dollar.

Beep boop

--> @sadolite

I personally think that V.P is a more colossal asshole.

And there are probably a whole lot more, more colossal than Shila.

In fact, in terms of discussion Shila adds an interesting dynamic to the Forum.

Back patting can get a tad insipid.

Nonetheless, I hope that you and yours and your property survived the hurricane relatively unscathed.

And hoping that a complete stranger, "fucking dies", is not particularly nice.

But let's just put that down to pre-hurricane angst.

-> @Shila

If an adult simply gives harmless knowledge to a child, its up to the child to use that knowledge or not. 

For example: 

An adult explains to a child what is masturbation and child decides to try it.