Shila

--> @Tradesecret

that when you think of what you look like - you can only think of me?  wow I am flattered. 

Thanks for the compliment though. 

 And I wouldn't expect a lesser response from an egotistical narcissist such as you are, Reverend "Tradey".

 You keep giving me cause and I will always be there to remind you. 

Get well soon.

--> @Shila

 if Jesus was an atheist what does it make the Christians who idol worship him?

Delusional

--> @Shila

The expanding universe was discovered by Hubble.

Did Hubble discover the expanding universe?

In one of the most famous classic papers in the annals of science, Edwin Hubble's 1929 PNAS article on the observed relation between distance and recession velocity of galaxies—the Hubble Law—unveiled the expanding universe and forever changed our understanding of the cosmos

So the expansion was visibly observed by the Hubble Telescope.

Evidence that the Universe was expanding was observed by Edwin Hubble, the Hubble Telescope was launched 60 years later.

So the expansion was visibly observed by the Hubble Telescope.

No, Edwin Hubble  wrote the PNAS article in 1929 after he had made the observations, he died in 1953, it was in 1990, 37 years after he died, and almost 60 years after he published the discovery,  that they launched the most powerful telescope in the world, and to honor Hubble's tremendous contributions they named the telescope after him.  What he visibly observed was redshift, and from that data he inferred the expansion of the Universe that Einstein's General Theory had predicted.  The Hubble Telescope did not make the observations, Edwin Hubble did.

It was a Belgian Catholic Priest and Theoretical Physicist named Georges Lemaître  that recognized that the equations of Einstein's theory predicted an expanding Universe and brought it to Einsteins attention.   Einstein didn't believe that was possible, so he adjusted his theory to remove the expansion from his equations by adding the "cosmological constant".  Twelve years later, when Hubble provided observational evidence that it was indeed expanding, Einstein removed the cosmological constant and said it had been the biggest blunder of his career.

--> @Shila

Lifestyle choices very much includes dietary choices.

Lifestyle is socially promoted and therefore becomes acquired and established.

Hopefully new generations of Americans will get a new message.

The current obesity issue will not be solved by an instant click of the fingers.

-> @Shila

Obesity is not so much about diet, but about lifestyle.

A vegan diet can be just as unhealthy as an omnivorous diet.

Though the former is likely to be under-nourished, rather than over-nourished.

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@Shila

We have you admission you are not looking for truth anymore. You looked for truth and never found it. And like also admit you haven't found what you are looking for yet - or else you wouldn't be here. 

I know that English is not your first language so I just want you to know I won't hold that against you in your interpretation of what I have written. 

I am not looking for truth anymore - why? Because it found me.   Why would I keep looking if I have now been found my truth?

And as for me  being here - I am an exception to the rule.  I know that sounds weak and probably is.  but its true. I also like to talk with people who are looking for the truth - and hopefully I can assist them in some way.  Either by leading them to the truth or by helping them to see the truth more clearly.  I admit I don't always do a good job.

Tradesecret:  I don't need to search for truth anymore. Truth found me.  As someone once said - if you can't take Muhammed to the mountain - you bring the mountain to Muhammed.  There are more than one way to skin a cat.    The interesting thing about Christianity - is truth is not a concept - it is a person

If truth in Christianity is not a concept, it is a person and the person is Jesus.

-> @Shila

I don't need to search for truth anymore. Truth found me.  As someone once said - if you can't take Muhammed to the mountain - you bring the mountain to Muhammed.  There are more than one way to skin a cat.    The interesting thing about Christianity - is truth is not a concept - it is a person

-> @Shila

Can you make a list of members I should avoid? I am new here and don’t know anyone well enough.

I don't think you should avoid anybody.  Give 'em hell and damn their torpedos of tortuous torpor.  When they start blocking you, then you'll know who's down for debating and who's a chickenshit loser.

--> @Shila

@TWS1405

--> @SkepticalOne

Look! It’s a well established story, as is the Disney cartoon movie. Taking the exact same story/movie script and replacing the white chick for a black chick [is] “black washing.” The fact that the character is a mermaid is utterly irrelevant. Why you cannot grasp that simple fact is beyond those of us who disagree with your illogical nonsense.

If Disney has already captured the white audience, by black washing the heroes it hopes to capture the black audience as well. 

The problem only surfaces when the black cast is nominated the Oscar and receives higher ratings.

Write a new story instead of ripping off a well-known and well-established story/movie script. 

Shows a huge lack of intelligence and creativity to do otherwise

-> @Shila

"Most parent would discourage their children from masturbating religious or not."

True, but only religious nutjobs tell their children that its a sin and that God will burn them for it.

I am not saying that religious nutjob parenting is a bad style of parenting.

In fact, it carries many benefits for the parents.

They can lie to their children as much as they want while being justified in the eyes of every other nutjob and in the eyes of God.

It doesnt matter how many mistakes they made, since their religion says God forgives almost everything as long as you are a believer.

Parents can even label their children as possessed in case they show signs of atheism.

Children can be told about all the things God will do to them in case they turn atheist.

So really, its a fun system for parents.

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@coal

enlighten me

coal: In fact, I don't even think you're capable of recognizing that you're chained to the floor of the cave, much less that dancing shadows on its wall are made you create this thread. 

-> @Shila

So you would prefer their arguments be reduced to logical connectives?

An argument that does not connect logically is irrational by definition. 

If insisting that an argument be rational is a reduction to you then you have issues I can’t help you with.

--> @Shila

The expanding universe was discovered by Hubble.

Did Hubble discover the expanding universe?

In one of the most famous classic papers in the annals of science, Edwin Hubble's 1929 PNAS article on the observed relation between distance and recession velocity of galaxies—the Hubble Law—unveiled the expanding universe and forever changed our understanding of the cosmos

So the expansion was visibly observed by the Hubble Telescope.

Evidence that the Universe was expanding was observed by Edwin Hubble, the Hubble Telescope was launched 60 years later.

--> @Shila

I cant say I had a proper childhood since my religious nut job parents believed that masturbation is the greatest crime on Earth and equal to murder.

It didnt stop me from masturbating, but I did spend nights in fear wondering if God will punish me.

Such things seem funny now, but one must wonder what would be the difference between being free and being protected like that.

--> @Sidewalker

Space as we know it to be possesses 4 Dimensions. One of them is time, which we cannot see unless we were in 4D. Which may explain why we cannot understand how it looks for something to be expanding while only expanding into itself while possessing shape. I think Aristotle is wrong for thinking infinites cannot exist, if he believed that.  Saying we cannot know is one thing - saying they cannot is another.

--> @Shila

But you lost your 3 debates. Proof Your logic does not connect.

two of those are self-moderated debates

-> @Shila

GO has 15,281 attempts at fake news. Is anyone buying his BS.

IlikePie5's entire persona on this site is just liking GP and buying his BS

--> @Shila

Gold was a hedge against inflation. But we have high inflation and gold stocks dropped by 15%.

because of the market manipulation

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@Sidewalker

It was Aristotle that said actual infinities couldn’t exist, so the idea has been around for quite some time.  Our best science regarding the subject matter, General Relativity and the resultant Standard Model of Cosmology, are a matter of scientific consensus, and both are quite explicit that an infinite universe contradicts theory.

great point

--> @Shila

So you would prefer their arguments be reduced to logical connectives?

always and forever

--> @Shila

Who has the advantage promoting the fear of Putin, Republicans or Democrats?

Trump tried to be friendly with Putin, Kim Jung and a host of dictators. And yet he lost 2020.

Democrats aren't against dictators because they're afraid of them. They're against dictators because they epitomize everything this country was founded against.

Republicans used to understand this, and then Trump came along and warped the minds of half the country, which to this day is still his most impressive accomplishment

--> @Shila

So it’s their  argument that still fails even though you accept the basic premise of their position.

You just need them to argue their case better.

I said I accept their position for the sake of argument.

A -> B -> C

I don't have to accept A as true in order to show you that B does not -> C

--> @Shila

The valued of gold has dropped. Fortunately India has a robust IT, Pharmaceutical and medical practitioners to make it self reliant.

the value of precious metals has been manipulated by market-makers for a very long time

--> @SkepticalOne

Look! It’s a well established story, as is the Disney cartoon movie. Taking the exact same story/movie script and replacing the white chick for a black chick [is] “black washing.” The fact that the character is a mermaid is utterly irrelevant. Why you cannot grasp that simple fact is beyond those of us who disagree with your illogical nonsense.

--> @Shila

But getting elected puts them in positions where they have to answer to the people that helped elect them.

Wh6 are Americans working against their own best interests?

It's a cycle. 

Republican voters respond to fear and are very easy to trigger, so politicians see an opportunity to further their careers by proclaiming that they will stand up against any threats.

But if there are no threats then there's nothing to stand up against, so republican politician's make them up or just play into made up ones that are gaining steam.

And because the politicians are playing into them, they gain more steam, thus validating the fears of their voters.

And because the fears of these voters are now validated, they go out and vote for any politician standing up against the corresponding threat.

And on it goes...

--> @ADreamOfLiberty

It seems that just googling "do children masturbate" is enough to find a bunch of sites that all claim the same: Yes.

They all agree that even babies and toddlers masturbate

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/daughter-s-habit-at-bedtime-has-become-a-worry-for-us-1.639036

https://www.askdrsears.com/topics/parenting/child-rearing-and-development/sexuality/masturbation-six-ways-manage-it/

https://www.defendyoungminds.com/post/do-you-know-why-kids-masturbate-therapist-gives-5-reasons-top-tips-healthy-response-plan

https://www.kidshealth.org.nz/sexual-behaviour-children-young-people

https://hhma.org/healthadvisor/pa-bmasturb-hhg/

Notice that in almost every link, masturbation is described as something that upsets parents. So children dont even have freedom to masturbate in peace.

Now, since children are protected from knowledge, and when they discover the knowledge they are punished and put to shame, surely even worse will apply if they are in a relationship.

https://parenting.stackexchange.com/questions/23611/is-it-possible-for-an-8-year-girl-to-be-sexually-abused-and-enjoy-it

This site seems to imply there was a case of loving relationship.

When discovered, the first thing that happened was that the person who discovered it told everyone about it. Then everyone was very upset because of this "love". Since a girl didnt seem to agree with them, one of the suggested solutions was to bring her into counseling so that she could be convinced to agree.

--> @3RU7AL

You can choose to follow it as your moral standard if you want

how exactly can anyone do this ?

I agree it's absurd, but I'm just being charitable for the sake of argument. The point is that even if I accept the basic premise of their position, their argument still fails.

--> @Shila

How do the Republican lawmakers expect to restore public confidence after this  ridiculous public display of cowardice.

restoring public confidence (or leadership) is not their priority. Their priority is getting elected

--> @Shila

So why does one group of people have to make financial reparations and another group only have to apologise.

Seems like racist greed to me.

Apologies are cheap and usually meaningless.

It really is just about Blacky getting one over on Whitey isn't it?

And the "British" whosoever they might be, were enslaved so many times in their history, where does one start with reparations.

It really is just about Blacky v Whitey for cash, isn't it?

Be honest

You can’t be that daft.

GP is not daft.  His mission is fake news.  His job is to corrupt our capacity to perceive the truth to the maximum extent possible.

Chinese leader Xi  Jinping described Russian President Vladimir Putin as his "best friend" as the two met in Moscow on Wednesday at a time when U.S. relations with both countries are increasingly strained.

"In the past six years, we have met nearly 30 times. Russia is the country that I have visited the most times, and President Putin is my best friend and colleague," Xi said at a news conference during his three-day state visit to Russia.

"We will strengthen our mutual support on key issues," Xi said.

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/06/730200317/as-relations-with-u-s-sour-xi-describes-putin-as-best-friend-at-moscow-meeting

June 2019, do we assume they just fell out suddenly at the war of Ukraine? I REALLY doubt it

--> @Shila

Biden is committed to fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian.

Beep boop

"Granted I didn't take polls but that was no my impression growing up with three siblings"

I started masturbating at 7 and had interest in sexual activities because they bring pleasure.

Many articles and studies have shown that children masturbate.

Even APA, the great opponent of pedophilia, admitted that children are sexual beings.

So unless you claim that children cant get pleasure from sexual activities, I dont know what is your argument.

--> @oromagi

nobody wants this war except Putin.  Take him out and this war is over.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/v-S83IcnUJY/maxresdefault.jpg

For something to have shape it must have dimensions. As such, even a flat surface has shape - by virtue of it having at least one dimension. There is no contradiction nor shared consensus on whether the universe is infinite or not. We don't know if there is an issue with infinity. I would wager there isn't as it isn't contradictory to imagine something being infinite. It is perfectly logical to imagine a flat plain going on forever. 

--> @3RU7AL

You have a lot of imaginary freinds, don't you?

--> @Sidewalker

That’s the problem with the concept of infinity, I don’t think it can be said to be a valid mathematical concept, at least in the sense that when you apply mathematics to it, you get logically incoherent results. One of many examples is algebraic, infinity + infinity = infinity, subtract infinity from both sides of the equation and you get infinity = zero, which is nonsensical.  It’s a useful concept for referring to a cyclical function, but it really can’t be considered a number or ve ea valid mathematical object.

100% THIS

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@Shila

You can't spell dead Ukraine without AI.

--> @Shila

The Romans would not have crucified Jesus if he did have white skin.

Source???

--> @Shila

Large-scale communal violence took place before and after the subcontinent partition into two separate states

but somehow, "not a single shot was fired"

Polytheist-Witch: Atheist complain they don't like religion because the morals are black and white but when you talk about the morals not being black and white then they say gods are useless. So I really wish they'd make up their mind.

Desantis says Florida needs more immigrants to rebuild Florida

--> @Tarik

Exactly. You didn’t determine God was good, you just decided it by choosing to define goodness as that which is in accordance to him.

Just as I could choose to define goodness differently.

This is what we call subjective.

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@Sidewalker

well, i think its best to remember that nothing outside of the universe exists. The universe is everything so nothing exists outside of itself. The expansion of the universe can simply be viewed as the stretching of space. since space is everything, it doesn't stretch into anything but itself, this highlights two propositions (1) the universe is infinite or (2) laps back on itself. In case 1, it could be described as Somewhat like if we bounce on a trampoline it spreads out and closes back in depending on the force put  upon the trampoline, but the amount of material on the trampoline never increases or decreases. All that increases and decreases is how stretched out whatever is already there is. In this same sense the universe is never stretching or going into anything new, but stretching what is already there, like the trampoline. It may be that space simply is literally bending into itself.

If the universe is indeed infinite, then the simple answer is that the universe doesn't have anything to expand into. A good analogy can be made with math. Imagine you have a list of numbers, 1,2,3,etc all the way up to infinity. Then you multiply every number in this list by 2, so that you now have 2,4,6 etc all the way up to infinity. The distance between the numbers in your list has "stretched" (it is now 2 instead of 1), but can you really say that the total extent of all your numbers has expanded? probably not, because in the end it all leads to infinity again anyways.  So there is still stretching but you still end up with the same total.

-> @Shila

Obesity is not so much about diet, but about lifestyle.

A vegan diet can be just as unhealthy as an omnivorous diet.

Though the former is likely to be under-nourished, rather than over-nourished.

Biden is committed to fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian.

--> @3RU7AL

there is absolutely zero chance the historical jesus has white skin and silky brown hair

Not to mention, his description in the Bible is anything but.

--> @Swagnarok

Why are you responding as if Shila is engaging honestly? Your post was very obviously a joke, the first post pretending otherwise was questionable. This is what the fifth?