Shila

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They were portrayed as serial killers.

You said it your self, “I said that the language used to attack them was of a kind normally reserved for serial killers.”

does anyone remember the massacres of citizens in india ?

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@Swagnarok

--> @Best.Korea

I feel ur pain man the capitalist scum police once searched the basement of the church were I work as a priest and they found the kids and I went to jail and the other prisoners didnt take kindly to pedofile priests so i took it in the booty. Wasn't fun man. 2/10. Would not recommend to other pedofiles. North Korea is a better place to live as a proud pedofile.

--> @Shila

It was a joke. Just some dark humor and a throwback to the sort of trolling I used to pull on DDO.

--> @Shila

Coal: I underestimated you above.  Your understanding of Foucault, at least, exceeds my expectations. 

Coal: But you are wrong on the policy of so-called "gender affirming care," for reasons I have already said. 

--> @Shila

In these debates and others, epistemology aims to answer questions such as "What do we know?", "What does it mean to say that we know something?", "What makes justified beliefs justified?", and "How do we know that we know?".

anyone can self-identify as an "atheist"

the minimum qualification is simply

to be unconvinced of the reality of any specific gods

being unconvinced does not REQUIRE any understanding of epistemology

epistemology is more specifically about HOW you know what you know

with emphasis on the LIMITS of what a human can know

--> @Shila

A Zedku for Shila.

Hive mind.

Head down

Tap Tap Tap.

What mind are you hiving?

--> @Shila

> @Shila

https://youtu.be/cz5I_A5bQTk

Don Lemon did not do his research. It is America that should be paying reparation to the blacks for 300 years of slavery.

Colonies paid the Monarchy taxes.

Way to demonstrate the Dunning Kruger effect there, bot. You clearly didn’t hear a word the Royal Commentator said. Not a single word. 

--> @Best.Korea

I feel ur pain man the capitalist scum police once searched the basement of the church were I work as a priest and they found the kids and I went to jail and the other prisoners didnt take kindly to pedofile priests so i took it in the booty. Wasn't fun man. 2/10. Would not recommend to other pedofiles. North Korea is a better place to live as a proud pedofile.

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@Shila

That is not what Foucault is saying.

Indeed Foucault and other post modernists believe that gender is a social construct. 

He would probably hate the idea of people getting surgery just because they perceive their unhappiness with gender as a result of having the wrong body. But he would also disagree with conservatives that gender is immutable and determined by our sex organs.

--> @Tarik

What do you think my original statement was?

Double_R replied: That morality can only make sense of it is objective.

So first of all, you have yet to explain why god is objectively, the moral standard.

I did that already and all you did was reject my reasoning with no explanation as to why

A logically invalid explanation is not an explanation, and I’ve explained why it is invalid multiple times. 

Once again, might =/= right. Your argument hinges on the idea that if we don’t obey God’s moral code we will be sent to hell, but the “objective result” of going to hell is irrelevant to the question of whether said repercussions are moral.

This is the exact same thing as arguing that something is wrong because it’s illegal. In that example, according to your logic, the state would be the “objective standard” for morality.

What He can do doesn’t and shouldn’t overrule what He will do, therefore it remains objective.

Double_R replied: Whether his word can be overruled is irrelevant to the concept of objectivity.

--> @Danielle

Wonder if he was talking about a dead girl.

--> @Best.Korea

lol, you’re deluded if you think that openly saying you’re a pedophile is going to invite positive responses. 

Yes! I was a sexually confused closet case with depression! Once I left Catholic school and my Catholic family to go to college where my sexuality was embraced and not condemned, I became happier and healthier than ever before. Crazy, right?

--> @Lemming

But if you meant the torture and death they at times receive from other prisoners being justified, I'd disagree.

I wouldn’t torture or murder any myself if I was in prison, but I can understand why other people would. I certainly do think that general mistreatment and social exclusion is justified.

I would say that if there is a pedophile who is going to be let free and is likely to commit harmful acts on children again, it would probably be better for someone like that to not exist.

Them getting murdered by other inmates would be less problematic to me than the possibility of another child being subject to harm because they can’t control themselves.

--> @ComputerNerd

Your profile says you're a Christian. If you want to debate someone who will change the way you think, challenge Bones or rayhan16. Bones is a disbeliever, and rayhan is a Muslim. Would be pretty interesting to see. 

Well it all comes down to the topic. I, personally, believe the Bible cannot be disproven. I have studied this thoroughly. I even had bouts with atheism at one point. I later realized I was wrong.

--> @Shila

Yes, but people should always ask themselves "what does child really want?". 

This is the simple way in which one can understand consent.

I am not claiming to be some parenting guide expert.

However, the current system of raising children is very questionable.

My family in Tampa has evacuated which I think is fine. If they choose to live in fear of wind and rain, that's their prerogative. However I'm outraged that Florida politicians have issued evacuation ORDERS. Police officers are now going door to door in Pinellas County to make sure that people have left the area. This is the gestapo 2.0 and everyone should be terrified. Since when is the government allowed to tell people what to do like this? This is a brand new phenomenon that just started in the year 2020. 

First the police state mandated that everyone stay at home. Now they're demanding that everyone leave! Florida Senator Rick Scott said, "If you're told to evacuate, evacuate now. Not tomorrow. Evacuate right now." Excuse me Mr. Scott but I'm pretty sure Florida values people's freedom so he can kindly shut the fuck up and mind his own business.

The fear mongering by politicians and the media has been a joke.  All week long Hurricane Ian has been dominating the national news - proof the media is just trying to scare as many people as possible even if they're not in any alleged danger. They'll literally say anything for views. 

Not to mention stores across Florida have been completely wiped out. There are shortages and price gouging. Profits are soaring. I mean if you can't see this so called "hurricane" is completely made up  to enrich business owners then I don't know what to tell you. 

I heard another Florida politician on the news tell people to keep checking for updates from scientistsand government officials. He actually said that! He really believes people are going to follow the instructions of the biggest groups of liars on the planet. 

Scientists can't be trusted and least of all meteorologists. The entire field is bought by the climate change industry looking to profit off the alleged global warming. It's well documented that meteorologists get it wrong a good amount of the time, so why is anyone listening to them? 

This tyranny with forced closures is not only hurting small businesses, but KIDS ARE BEING KEPT OUT OF SCHOOL. We all know that US schools are top notch beacons of education, but my cousin has to have class on Zoom today. This is an absolute travesty.  Is this what Florida voters cast their ballot for in the last election? Kids being kept home?    

All of this follows a playbook as old as time and Ron DeSantis is complicit. Mark my words if the "hurricane" comes he will be going to the feds with his hands out looking for relief money.  Joe Biden who is singlehandedly responsible for inflation better not cozy up to Ron and expect anyone to give Florida a penny for this little sun shower that's being blown way out of proportion. I know that some people in FL might be at risk, but honestly if people are so worried about hurricanes they should learn how to swim, buy a boat or leave the area; not close schools, keep people away from their homes and jobs or add to our national debt. What a disgrace.

--> @Shila

you can't spell dementia without  AI

--> @ADreamOfLiberty

"But not the lack of fraud."

In case of a lack of fraud, the greater consent was violated. But not by any individual. And no individual was able to prevent it. So no individual would be at fault. So no individual would carry a responsibility for violating consent.

"Lets make the child 2 years old. The problem with the house is severe radon buildup"

"I cannot explain a radon buildup to a two year old."

"Your "greater consent" conception would assert that consent to stay in the house is not real consent because later the individual would come to believe the radiation which caused cancer was not in their best interests."

Yes.

"Now let's say you have a dog, who like the two year old did not understand radiation build up; but unlike the toddler will never understand it."

The consent is consistent of goals. Dog has goals. Even if dog never understands radiation build up, dogs goals would still be violated. Hence, dogs greater consent would be violated. 

"There would never be a "greater consent" for the dog because the dog will never make the connection between the painful cancer and staying in the house."

Dogs goal is to live a happy life. Dog doesnt consent to the painful cancer. Since that is greater consent, we must save the dog to uphold such consent.

--> @Stephen

He was caught asking where dead people were today. What a fearless leader

Greyparrot: She was 12, I was 30.

--> @Shila

Polytheist-Witche: I'm sure you would like that you should go talk to the two of them about it. Three pedophiles in a pod.

--> @Shila

Atheists like Christians have to deal with ONTOLOGICAL and or EPISTEMOLOGICAL questions to make clear their positions.

how do you use ONTOLOGICAL and or EPISTEMOLOGICAL questions to make your position clear ?

--> @coal

And why is that?

Because you made a post pandering to 99% of users on the site that you already know oppose transitioning, and their opposition is rooted in a belief that gender is fixed in biology. But the central argument made by Foucault and post modernists is that things like race and gender are notbiologically determined. They believe those things are social constructs. The people you want to like your post don't believe that. 

--> @Shila

Polytheist-Witch: Again if you want to discuss pedophilia and my children go do it with the pedophile and Stephen. I'm sure you're all excellent company for one another.

--> @Shila

Logical absolutes exist. Logical absolutes are conceptual by nature, are not dependent on space, time, physical properties, or human nature. They are not the product of the physical universe (space, time, matter), because if the physical universe were to disappear, logical absolutes would still be true. Logical Absolutes are not the product of human minds, because human minds are different, not absolute. But, since logical absolutes are always true everywhere, and not dependent upon human minds, it must be an absolute transcendent mind that is authoring them. This mind is called God.

How Gods mind works is detailed in the Bible. God sacrificed the world to save Noah with a giant flood. God then sacrificed his son Jesus to bring salvation to the Gentiles.

Nope, how God's mind works is not detailed in the Bible, in fact, the Bible is explicit that we can't know the details of how Gods mind works.

Isaiah 55:8-9

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Romans 11:33 

O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

--> @Shila

Go discuss it with the pedophile. That's their and Steven's territory.

--> @Lemming

But they do have other rights.

Yeah, they have the right to be kept free from harm and receive protections that most adults generally don’t get. For example, an adult can make choices that children can’t (e.g they can use drugs, get drunk, etc.) but if a child is exposed to or engaged in those things, the state is obligated to intervene in some way.

If you go to work and don’t do your job, you’ll just get fired. But, if you’re a child and you go to school and act out, appear to be neglected, or do harmful things...your parents are going to be asked questions.

With regard to pedophilia, it’s obvious that it is not only sick and abnormal, but is incredibly harmful to children as well. Most children understand that it’s harmful, and so are rarely ever willing participants. They can’t give consent anyway, but if they could they truly wouldn’t want to. 

I would argue that the treatment of pedophiles in prison is more than justified, as being convicted of a crime in relation to pedophilia means they have acted on their impulses and caused harm to a child. Even pedophiles who only look at inappropriate images of children are causing harm because someone had to put that child in a position where they could take (illegal) photos of them, and that child can’t give their consent to being photographed or having their images shared. 

So, they deserve what they get.

Note: for anyone who doesn’t understand why people hate pedophiles, it’s because of the immense harm they cause to children, who are extremely vulnerable and not willing participants who are capable of giving consent. Other disorders are also harmful, and they cause a lot of other people to end up in prison too; however, they are considered somewhat less harmful when they only result in the mistreatment of adults, who are considered to be much less vulnerable than children and equal to other adults. 

It’s that simple.

--> @sadolite

You are the most colossal fucking asshole on the planet, I hope you fucking die.

Polytheist-Witch: That's a winner!!

Where is the 92 year old Sikh from Tonga aka Vici .? 

Vici (debateart.com)

--> @Sidewalker

If you think ATHEISM has absolutely nothing to do with  ONTOLOGICAL and or EPISTEMOLOGICAL questions then you don't know what the words ONTOLOGICAL and EPISTEMOLOGICAL mean.

please explain

Oh pulease, just get a dictionary,  look up all three words, try to understand the definition of all three words and you will see that the statement "ATHEISM has absolutely nothing to do with  ONTOLOGICAL and or EPISTEMOLOGICAL questions" is simply an innane statement.

i know the definitions

please explain specifically how these concepts are REQUIRED 

--> @Shila

https://youtu.be/cz5I_A5bQTk

--> @Shila

Yep, words have the same meaning whether you are an Atheist or a Christian, they are spelled the same too.

It should also be the same with Taoism which is what he follows

Yes, believe it or not, even if you are a Taoist, words have the same meaning.

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-->@Shila

More people know and have seen VanGogh’s work than care to follow Putins war.

color me skeptical re: that assertion

The Van Gogh Museum has passed the milestone of 2 million Instagram followers! ..

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/597483-more-than-8-in-10-us-voters-following-russia-invasion-of-ukraine-poll/

80% of US voters are following the War in Ukraine, that's .8 x 168 million = 134,400,000 which is more than 67 times 2 millon and that's just in American.  I would assume most of Europe is paying attention and significant percentages of the rest of the world.

I think it is beneficial. The entire society is rid of conflict because everyone is in harmony, does anyone oppose to this idea?

--> @Stephen

Polytheist-Witch: You are a fucking dumbass and incapable of understanding other people's thoughts and words. There's a pedophile posting on the forum now , you could actually go talk to him about how you think about my kids with broomsticks between their legs. You two have more than in common than you and I do

.--> @Shila

If you think ATHEISM has absolutely nothing to do with  ONTOLOGICAL and or EPISTEMOLOGICAL questions then you don't know what the words ONTOLOGICAL and EPISTEMOLOGICAL mean.

If it applies to Atheists it also applies to Christians.

Yep, words have the same meaning whether you are an Atheist or a Christian, they are spelled the same too.

--> @Shila

 Now he is appealing to member who like him suffer from gender dysphoria.

Then I do feel sorry those seeking his advice or even sympathy and comfort as I do his criminal clients and religious studies students.  But then again, we should expect him to better qualified in the gender dysphoria field than those he alleges to being qualified in. S/he has often spoken of his/her "experimenting in all sorts of sexual deviancy".

--> @Best.Korea

How would taxing the rich more make sense if they consume the fewest public goods and services, not to mention their already being financially obligated in financing social programs? Furthermore, a huge chunk of that debt was amassed by promises to finance social programs. The debt is actually substantially larger (it's much larger than $50 trillion) if you consider social security and the payments that are going to have to be made. Taxing the rich more only works to leave the tax-burden with the middle-class, working-class, and poor. This was true in California and New York. The rich are more mobile than the poor, so tax hikes would primarily affect the latter.

--> @Best.Korea

Children have plenty of rights in the UK, from what I read,

A right is an entitlement to something,

We all have rights, and lack some rights, as we are not entitled to 'everything.

. . .

Pretty common story to hear of pedophiles in prison being beaten or killed though,

Various reasons I'm sure.

. . .

Norway has nice prisons I hear.

--> @Shila

You are the most colossal fucking asshole on the planet, I hope you fucking die.

--> @Shila

White privilege is a fact.

if it cannot be measured scientifically, and is not logically-necessary, it does not qualify as a fact

Polytheist-Witch: He's here for the same reason everyone else is here. To shove their views on the others when it comes to God and religion. Are we all going to pretend like that's not the case cuz it is.

--> @Shila

the automatic behavior of the moth appears to demonstrate a LACK OF CONSCIOUSNESS

-> @Shila

Tradesecret: I went looking for the truth and I did not find it.  Like everyone else on the same journey, I soon discovered there many hurdles and problems - of definition of validity, of recognising it when and if I did happen to luck onto it. But I kept looking - and looking.  It was only when I stopped looking - because I wasn't particularly looking for the truth as whatever I thought the truth might be.  Or what others had told me the truth was and I didn't have a better idea. Finally, I stopped.

It was then that truth found me.   And it didn't try and prove that it was the truth and nor did it try and demonstrate that it was the truth and it did not validate itself and it didn't even task me to believe it was the truth.  Yet  it surprised me as to its simplicity and its complexity.  To its rawness and to its maturity.  To its completeness and its warmth and the immediate insight that it knew me better than I knew myself.  And it didn't have an issue with me.  And it was then that truth as it were "dawned on me".

My journey is now quite different to that one.   I am not looking for truth anymore.  That is a journey that others will walk until they realise that they won't ever find it.  I have a feeling most people on this site are on that journey - whether they admit it or not. They might call it something different.  They might recognise it or not. Yet like many other countless sites all over the internet and countless churches, and synagogues, and temples, and mosques, and little clubs, atheistic as well,  these people will keep searching, and every now and then someone will find something that they recognise as truth - for a while and then they will move on - on the same old journey.  

You are on that journey. that is one reason you visit this site and others probably. You might not call it a journey for truth or perhaps you do.  but you haven't found what you are looking for yet - or else you wouldn't be here. 

All the best for your journey.  you know where I am.

Shila wrote: We have you admission you are not looking for truth anymore. You looked for truth and never found it. And like also admit you haven't found what you are looking for yet - or else you wouldn't be here

S/he is here because of the mistaken belief that this was a religious forum and not a forum to discuss religion. He was of the pompous belief that he could be an authorative leader because of his alleged gleaming qualifications and 40 years of study, and knowing the bible backwards and forwards and that s/he had been taught to memorise the scriptures from a very early age and that s/he could use this religion discussion forum as his personal pulpit.

--> @Shila

Even Christian’s need to know what their metaphysical beliefs are.

Even Christian’s need to know the distinction between knowledge and beliefs.

maybe, but it is not a PREREQUISITE

If you think ATHEISM has absolutely nothing to do with  ONTOLOGICAL and or EPISTEMOLOGICAL questions then you don't know what the words ONTOLOGICAL and EPISTEMOLOGICAL mean.

--> @Tradesecret

And it was then that truth as it were "dawned on me". 

GNOSTIC

Slytherin. I'll never forgive Albus for screwing Slytherins over by orchestrating Gryffindor's unfairly winning the House Cup in Year One. It was only fitting that Albus was murdered by a Syltherin.

--> @Shila

I am not upset about anything. I have absolutely no emotional investment in any debate/discussion. Facts do not care about anyone's feelings. 

And the facts are as clearly laid out by Brandon Tatum in that video. Blacks cause their own problems. I post on those facts. You deny those facts and make a mockery of not only yourself, but the damage they cause society on the whole. 

--> @Shila

Insects certainly display complex and apparently intelligent behavior. They navigate over long distances, find food, avoid predators, communicate, display courtship, care for their young, and so on. The complexity of their behavioral repertoire is comparable to any mammal.

There are two types of behavior that can be observed in organisms: innate behavior and learned behavior. Innate behavior is genetically encoded. Flight and mating habits are considered innate behaviors. You have probably seen a clear example of innate insect behavior called the dorsal light reaction. Flying insects will sense the direction of light coming from the sun and fly in a way that keeps the sun overhead, or on their dorsal side. This is a means for the insect to maintain a flight plan that is parallel to the ground. You may have witnessed that this innate behavior is not so helpful when a moth encounters an artificial light source and flies in continuous circles around it to keep the light on its dorsal surface. At times, the moth is not able to fly away from that light source and, in essence, becomes trapped. [**]