Shila

-> @thett3

This has always been my problem with the white privilege narrative too. I think a lot of it is BS but the parts that are real would be better termed as “black oppression”—like it’s good that bad things aren’t happening to white people even if they shouldn’t be happening to anyone. It’s not a “privilege” to be treated justly. But the language as it stands exists to demoralize whites and drive further division.

The term exists because it spread to the rest of society from those who were on the short end of it. 

It’s not a privilege to be treated justly - until you’re the one who is not being treated justly. Privilege is nothing more than a matter of perspective. When you live in a society where your skin color detrimentally impacts your well being - anyone who does not face that same impediment is privileged.

To point that out and have it contorted into a narrative meant to demoralize and drive division demonstrates the most basic disregard for the view point of others.

-> @Shila

By giving them the definitions, at least they will know what they mean.

Ontological definition: relating to the branch of metaphysics dealing with the nature of being.

Epistemological definition: relating to the theory of knowledge, especially with regard to its methods, validity, and scope, and the distinction between justified belief and opinion.

none of these have anything at all to do with "being a christian"

in the exact same way

none of these have anything at all to do with "being NOT a christian" (NOT a theist)

Stephen: As you have given me cause many times now to show just who it is that suffers with God Complex Disorder and likes to believe himself to be above all others, I will remind you of the man in your own mirror, Reverend "Tradey".

Lets see. After your "calling" and after being "chosen by god" himself you go on to tell the world about yourself.

Starting with your education  and without being asked or any prompting you freely tell this  forum :

Tradescret wrote; "I have been taught to memorise the bible from very young. I have read the bible numerous times. I try and read the OT once every year and the NT twice a year.  I know it reasonable well and can even read Hebrew and Greek".  #52

Tradescret wrote; "I have studied degrees at theological colleges".  #45

Tradescret wrote; "I have studied degrees at theological colleges and heaven gets mentioned - but rarely ever articulated on very much.  #45

Tradescret wrote;"I studied and was tutored by academics, scholars, and priests and fathers from the Orthodox Church". #91

Tradescret wrote; "I study the original languages, translate them to English",  #25

Tradescret wrote;"I am qualified by certified colleges with proper accreditation".#20 

Tradescret wrote; "I am a pastor of a church with over 300 people"#67

Tradescret wrote;" my role as a pastor - which I also do, I counsel in pastoral care. "#20

Tradescret wrote;"I am also a chaplain to our Countries Defence forces, a position I could not have without proper qualifications". #20

Tradescret wrote; "Are you assuming that my qualifications obtained from a world class reputable university are not real"? #31

Tradescret wrote;"I  charge universities when they request me to lecture to them [ their students]". #20 

Tradescret wrote; "I am a lawyer".  #20

Tradescret wrote; "I in most parts are merely passing on the teaching of what i have received", with gods authority.     #20

Tradescret wrote; "I devote a significant amount of my resources in trying to prevent abortions from happening. I also devote a significant amount of resources to programs which enable people to adopt children.#64 I also devote a significant amount of my resources towards helping people who are left in homeless situations and are expected to be looked after by the government and its welfare programs".  #64

Tradescret wrote; "by my Hebrew teacher"#45

Tradescret wrote; "I provide resources to my local church as well who have significant means of assisting people in impoverished places around the world and locally".  #64

Tradescret wrote; "Would you care to prove that a post graduate degree from Melbourne University is not a real qualification"#31? 

Tradescret wrote; "I suppose the rocks down on my farm might be much older" #13

There is much to add to you gasconading Reverend "Tradey".  For instance, your "orthodox Tutor connection in Moscow".  Your appearance in the Bangladeshi courts as an international lawyer.

And all of this on top of a family, children and a farm to run. 

 I have said many times now too on this forum that, for a man that claims to be a defence lawyer, you have a special ability to open the door for the prosecution. Your criminal clients that are in prison must rue the day they employed you to defend them.

@ shila  Cut out and keep.

Tradesecret: I went looking for the truth and I did not find it.  Like everyone else on the same journey, I soon discovered there many hurdles and problems - of definition of validity, of recognising it when and if I did happen to luck onto it. But I kept looking - and looking.  It was only when I stopped looking - because I wasn't particularly looking for the truth as whatever I thought the truth might be.  Or what others had told me the truth was and I didn't have a better idea. Finally, I stopped.

It was then that truth found me.   And it didn't try and prove that it was the truth and nor did it try and demonstrate that it was the truth and it did not validate itself and it didn't even task me to believe it was the truth.  Yet  it surprised me as to its simplicity and its complexity.  To its rawness and to its maturity.  To its completeness and its warmth and the immediate insight that it knew me better than I knew myself.  And it didn't have an issue with me.  And it was then that truth as it were "dawned on me".

My journey is now quite different to that one.   I am not looking for truth anymore.  That is a journey that others will walk until they realise that they won't ever find it.  I have a feeling most people on this site are on that journey - whether they admit it or not. They might call it something different.  They might recognise it or not. Yet like many other countless sites all over the internet and countless churches, and synagogues, and temples, and mosques, and little clubs, atheistic as well,  these people will keep searching, and every now and then someone will find something that they recognise as truth - for a while and then they will move on - on the same old journey.  

You are on that journey. that is one reason you visit this site and others probably. You might not call it a journey for truth or perhaps you do.  but you haven't found what you are looking for yet - or else you wouldn't be here. 

All the best for your journey.  you know where I am.

-> @SkepticalOne

I went looking for the truth and I did not find it.  Like everyone else on the same journey, I soon discovered there many hurdles and problems - of definition of validity, of recognising it when and if I did happen to luck onto it. But I kept looking - and looking.  It was only when I stopped looking - because I wasn't particularly looking for the truth as whatever I thought the truth might be.  Or what others had told me the truth was and I didn't have a better idea. Finally, I stopped. 

It was then that truth found me.   And it didn't try and prove that it was the truth and nor did it try and demonstrate that it was the truth and it did not validate itself and it didn't even task me to believe it was the truth.  Yet  it surprised me as to its simplicity and its complexity.  To its rawness and to its maturity.  To its completeness and its warmth and the immediate insight that it knew me better than I knew myself.  And it didn't have an issue with me.  And it was then that truth as it were "dawned on me". 

My journey is now quite different to that one.   I am not looking for truth anymore.  That is a journey that others will walk until they realise that they won't ever find it.  I have a feeling most people on this site are on that journey - whether they admit it or not. They might call it something different.  They might recognise it or not. Yet like many other countless sites all over the internet and countless churches, and synagogues, and temples, and mosques, and little clubs, atheistic as well,  these people will keep searching, and every now and then someone will find something that they recognise as truth - for a while and then they will move on - on the same old journey.   

You are on that journey. that is one reason you visit this site and others probably. You might not call it a journey for truth or perhaps you do.  but you haven't found what you are looking for yet - or else you wouldn't be here.  

All the best for your journey.  you know where I am. 

Added 09.27.22 09:23PM

--> @3RU7AL

ATHEISM is simply "not a theist"

it has absolutely nothing to do with "afterlife" or AXIOLOGY or any other ONTOLOGICAL and or EPISTEMOLOGICAL questions

Apparently, you don't know what epistemological means.

there are many self-identified "atheists" who have no idea what epistemological limits are

I know that, there are plenty of people who don't know what the words "ONTOLOGICAL" and "EPISTEMOLOGICAL" mean, but you don't usually see people like that using them in a sentence.

--> @Shila

Yes, and it's commonly referred to as the "Metric Expansion of Space",  it's space that is expanding, not the objects in space.  It also implies the violation of two of our most basic laws of physics, the 1st law of thermodynamics (the conservation of energy), and the Relativistic principle that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum.

Now here is something new that might confuse you, or might help. In the standard physics theory, the galaxies are all getting farther apart; that is the expansion of the Universe. Yet in the way the theory describes it (I mean in General Relativity Theory) none of the galaxies are actually moving. All that is happening is that the amount of space (vacuum) in between them is increasing.

No, you will not learn this in school, or even in college (unless you have an extraordinary professor). It is usually taught in graduate school, when you are earning a Ph.D. degree. At that point the language you will encounter is this: "In the Big Bang Theory, all galaxies have fixed coordinates. (That means they are not moving.) The 'expansion' is described by the 'metric tensor', which describes the distances between those fixed coordinates. In the Big Bang Theory, it is the metric tensor which is changing; that represents the expansion of the Universe, even though the galaxies aren't moving. The recent discovery of accelerated expansion means that the rate of expansion is increasing."

Yeah, I know, that's why in the post you are responding to I said "it's commonly referred to as the "Metric Expansion of Space",  it's space that is expanding, not the objects in space. "

--> @RationalMadman

You write that long a list without sorting me?

--> @Shila

Now we know why Muslims like their crazy women to remain covered by a hijab.

I’m not Muslim, but that’s really sexist. 

Shila is a bad bot.

Yes, and it's commonly referred to as the "Metric Expansion of Space",  it's space that is expanding, not the objects in space.  It also implies the violation of two of our most basic laws of physics, the 1st law of thermodynamics (the conservation of energy), and the Relativistic principle that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum.

--> @Shila

You’re a bonafide idiot. Sorry. But it’s true

--> @3RU7AL

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Now, do you think asking questions in some way answers questions?

what makes you think a dragonfly has "consciousness" ?

What makes you think it doesn't have "consciousness?

According to the Standard Model of Cosmology, the Universe is temporally and spatially finite, and it is expanding. 

The question becomes, what is it expanding into?

--> @Shila

Do try to keep up *sips imperial tea*

-->

@Shila

--> @Tradesecret

and by the way - I never said it was a criminal offence to talk about gender.  I was talking  about it being illegal to talk to someone about whether they are confused about their gender.  you may not appreciate the difference but the legislation does.

Stop playing semantics. This is what you have literally wrote.

Tradesecrete wrote #50 " In Australia, and in Victoria, for you to ask that question unless you are a qualified GP and counsellor, is a criminal offence".

And let us not forget that you also live in New Zealand and speak Greek too TRADESECRET-BIO-FEMALE.jpg (1847×967) (ibb.co)

I see your little break from the forum has done nothing for your personality disorder.

Not something one would expect from a pastor or a lawyer. Should his condition improve he might return as a doctor.

Especially one that claims a congregation of over 300 worshipers, speaks many languages and tutors students in all the theological that's just to name a few of his many, many alleged accolades.

I am still waiting to see the legislation that supports his claim. Thos links offer nothing in the way of evidence. But I am not surprised.

--> @Shila

Do you justify it?

an insect is functionally indistinguishable from a robot

-> @ILikePie5

I am quite sure that you'd end up in Slytherin but as you wish.

I'd end up in Ravenclaw.

I can name you some definite members on this site's house (under my understanding of the sorting hat's prioritised traits and how the houses are actually split, not the way JK Rowling explicitly says they are split) :

Gryffindor

• Barney
  
• Sadolite
  
• Lunatic
  
• Mesmer/Mgtowdemon/Analgesic/zarro/anotheraltforsure
  
• Mall
  
• Coal
  
• Danielle
  
• Best.Korea
  
• Rayhan16
  
• IwantRooseveltagain
  
• GreyParrot
  

Hufflepuff

• Polytheist-Witch
  
• Supadudz
  
• Castin
  
• MisterChris
  
• Dr.Franklin
  
• Speedrace
  
• Bmdrocks21
  
• Lemming
  
• Jeff_Goldblum
  

Ravenclaw

• Whiteflame
  
• Intelligence_06
  
• Oromagi
  
• Ramshutu
  
• Bones
  
• Benjamin
  
• 3RU7AL
  
• RationalMadman
  
• Tejretics
  
• Blamonkey
  

Slytherin

• Wylted
  
• Novice_II
  
• Ehyeh (though he would always say he is meant to be in Ravenclaw, I am certain he'd be sorted here)
  
• David
  
• BrotherDThomas
  
• Stephen
  
• Mikal
  
• Airmax1227
  
• Imabench
  
• Ilikepie5
  
• Type1/Sparrow
  

-> @Shila

If one is an atheist, there is little reason to believe in an afterlife

have you ever met a GNOSTIC ?

--> @Shila

is it possible for a judge to "objectively" enforce the law ?

Depends on the narrative.

that sounds a lot like a "NO"

Depends on who hears it.

please explain if you intend this to be a "yes" or a "no" or a "maybe sometimes"

--> @Sidewalker

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Now, do you think asking questions in some way answers questions?

what makes you think a dragonfly has "consciousness" ?

Snarky political mode: If the media bias of the magnitude required to report Trump endorsed bleach injections or slanderously claim he supported neonazis at Charlottesville was turned on Biden they would say this is an admission of pedophilia.

Tounge-in-cheek mode: I wonder if the site rules now prohibit anyone from supporting Biden?

Objective mode: This combined with the diary, the sniffing, the pool story, the lack of Epstein related prosecutions all combine to give the pedo witchhunt crowd plenty of material to work with; if he had any marbles left he would be extra careful but he doesn't. The man is not responsible for what comes out of his mouth at this point, he belongs on the rocker; and saying "we go way back" is hardly an admission of pedophilia.

--> @Polytheist-Witch

They actually like it a lot when they hear pedophiles are being tortured or killed

-->

@Shila

Read the book.

I have

Where my Ravenclaws at

-> @Shila

*facepalm* 

No 💩 sherlock. But the glaring fact is you failed to “quote” it and credit who said it. Context matters. 

--> @sadolite

My Mom and both sisters are in Sarasota, all of you, hunker down and stay safe.

And if you are in the evacuation zone, do it, don't make first responders risk thier lives because you were stubborn.  

-> @3RU7AL

Atheism: there is no god, therefore there is no afterlife, therefore nothing you do or think matters at all. There is no moral standpoint, only what you like matters.

ATHEISM is simply "not a theist"

it has absolutely nothing to do with "afterlife" or AXIOLOGY or any other ONTOLOGICAL and or EPISTEMOLOGICAL questions

Apparently, you don't know what epistemological means.

OK, and that also isn't what epistemological means.

--> @Shila

GQM is an organization of  Christian, Protestant, evangelical, theologically conservative, and non-denominational. It is church ministry, coming alongside the church to help people find answers to their spiritually related questions.

You really can't comprehend the Copyright policy, the subject here is one sentence, a very sinple sentence:

Copyright Policy: Articles may be freely printed and distributed, emailed, or shared online provided they are not sold for profit and Got Questions Ministries is clearly identified as the author. 

I get what it is, and they want you to identify the organization as the author when you thier articles.

--> @Shila

If you ascribe to physicalism, why is a physical state conscious?  Why (and how) are physical processes accompanied by experience?

For the brain to process a stimulus it has to be conscious and tuned in with the five senses. Touch, smell, taste etc.

Experience In a different sense  refers not to conscious events themselves but to the knowledge and practical familiarity they bring with them.[

For there to be an experience, there needs to be an experiencer, consciousness is the conceptual space within which we find the experieence, it's the entity that experiences, no consciousness, no experience, no consciousness, no knowlege.

--> @bmdrocks21 @ILikePie5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f1mAXNFlmA

7.6 trillion dollars later...

--> @3RU7AL

Atheism: there is no god, therefore there is no afterlife, therefore nothing you do or think matters at all. There is no moral standpoint, only what you like matters.

ATHEISM is simply "not a theist"

it has absolutely nothing to do with "afterlife" or AXIOLOGY or any other ONTOLOGICAL and or EPISTEMOLOGICAL questions

Apparently, you don't know what epistemological means.

--> @Shila

Copyright Policy: Articles may be freely printed and distributed, emailed, or shared online provided they are not sold for profit and Got Questions Ministries is clearly identified as the author. 

Putting the link would make little difference because the site does not reveal authors names.

Why doesn’t GotQuestions.org give the names of the authors of its articles?

https://www.gotquestions.org/authors.html

Their Copyright Poliy is explicit, either provide the link or clearly identify Got Questions Ministries as the author.

Why are you arguing it, do you want us to think it's your work?

The link explains why GotQuestion.org does not reveal authors names.

Now you know why I provided the article but did not reveal the author’s name.

No.  That is not why you violated thier copyright policy, the policy says you can reprint it if "Got Questions Ministries is clearly identified as the author".   GQM is the author

--> @3RU7AL

How do you define the “hard problem” of consciousness ?

If you ascribe to physicalism, why is a physical state conscious?  Why (and how) are physical processes accompanied by experience?

Polytheist-Witch: There is no hell in the Old Testament it's a completely Christian concept. And honestly if you read through the Bible it's not even discussed until Revelation. Hell is a bunch of malarkey it doesn't exist.

--> @cristo71

she then sent several dozen to a suburb without warning:

Yes, they should have notified the mayor, but they didn’t dump these people on the street. Chicago had arranged for these families to be put in hotels temporarily. That’s a big difference from what Deshitstain did.

--> @Tarik

is it possible for a judge to "objectively" enforce the law ?

Depends on the narrative.

that sounds a lot like a "NO"

--> @Tradesecret

and by the way - I never said it was a criminal offence to talk about gender.  I was talking  about it being illegal to talk to someone about whether they are confused about their gender.  you may not appreciate the difference but the legislation does. 

Stop playing semantics. This is what you have literally wrote.

Tradesecrete wrote #50 " In Australia, and in Victoria, for you to ask that question unless you are a qualified GP and counsellor, is a criminal offence". 

And let us not forget that you also live in New Zealand and speak Greek too TRADESECRET-BIO-FEMALE.jpg (1847×967) (ibb.co)

I see your little break from the forum has done nothing for your personality disorder.

--> @Shila

Copyright Policy: Articles may be freely printed and distributed, emailed, or shared online provided they are not sold for profit and Got Questions Ministries is clearly identified as the author. 

Putting the link would make little difference because the site does not reveal authors names.

Why doesn’t GotQuestions.org give the names of the authors of its articles?

https://www.gotquestions.org/authors.html

Their Copyright Poliy is explicit, either provide the link or clearly identify Got Questions Ministries as the author.

Why are you arguing it, do you want us to think it's your work?

Where my Ravenclaws at

--> @Harikrish

If you take the Genesis account. The garden of Eden was not in Africa. The Jews being the diect descendants of Adam and Eve were not Africans. In fact Christians trace the lineage of Africans to Ham.

When you actually look at this closely, it can be seen that the "first humans" were created somewhere else (Africa ?) and then placed in the Eden believed today to be Iraq.

--> @Shila

Americans love liars. They voted for one to the White House. I.e Trump. Trump lied before the UN. Bush lied about Iraq and WMD. JFK and LBJ lied about Vietnam. Clinton lied about sex with Lewinsky.

You forgot Joe. Joe lied about being in bed with the Chinese with his son Hunter

--> @Stephen

Yes it should. I find it strange that s/he has chosen to point out that it is in Victoria that it is a crime and not his/her home state of Melbourne. S/he's probably forgot where s/he actually lives this week.

I assume you realise that Melbourne is the capital city of the State of Victoria. Or are you just having a lend of Shila? 

As for the legislation - go to the Victorian State Site. It is easy to find. All you need to do is google - how Victoria in the most progressive state in Australia in relation to gender legislation. https://www.legislation.vic.gov.au or if find that too difficult to navigate try https://www.austlii.edu.au/au/vic/   The first one is more authoritative in Victoria.  The second one more comprehensive.  you might learn something. 

and by the way - I never said it was a criminal offence to talk about gender.  I was talking  about it being illegal to talk to someone about whether they are confused about their gender.  you may not appreciate the difference but the legislation does. 

As for finding the specific piece of legislation and its penalties for breaking such laws - you are the wise and noble one - the one who knows their capital cities from their states.  You go and do it. 

It's legitimately a source, but one that has a copyright policy that says you must attribute when you reproduce it.

I use links in posts from time to time, but in putting the link in I'm lso letting you know the source.  Maybe it would be best if you put the link in the post,  and if you do cut and paste, then let us know where it came from per the source's copyright policy. 

Right” does not always mean “factually correct”. It has other applications.

An employer terminates an employee after determining the employee’s conduct was counterproductive to the company’s goals. If the determination is accurate, they made “the right move”. There is nothing objective about this decision because the company’s goals are very much subjective.

A dancer in the middle of a choreographed performance performs “the wrong move”. It’s wrong because it is not what was planned with the group. There is nothing objective about the move itself being wrong because the group could have decided the move to be anything they wanted.

A singer sings the wrong note to a song. There is nothing objective about this statement because songs can be sung in any way the singer wants and alternate renditions have been written many times before.

There is no need for any of this to be objective for us to recognize a right or a wrong. All we need is a shared starting point so that we can arrive at the same conclusions together.

--> @Shila

Blacks were screaming with joy the store was giving away things for free. Only the ones who tried to pay felt cheated.

Does being ignorant and foolish come Naturally to you, or do you actually easily work at it? 

--> @ebuc

My bad, I just get a kick out of people thinking they know something about the universe and how it works. I admit I don't have a clue about how the universe works which in of itself is a more accurate description of how it works than some one saying they know. But you know so I wont tell you any different.

Larry Elder covering how the media tried to bait Denzel Washington into BWM (Bitch Wine Moan) about racism in America. 

2 consecutive quarters of NEGATIVE GDP. Very likely we will have a 3rd as well since Biden thinks he can spend his way out of it with your tax dollars.

2 weeks ago I bought a brand new Toyota Highlander from Irvine Toyota. They said it was only the fourth one they sold this year. Not because they don’t have buyers, but because it’s only the 4th one they received from the manufacturer. Is that the government’s fault or is that a failure of capitalism?

This is what is curbing GDP right now.

--> @Shila

which brings us once again back to HUME'S GUILLOTINE

facts alone cannot convey meaning

facts must be colored with context

and context is by definition, subjective (sample biased)

-> @Shila

You are correct. I have a lot to still prove.

It is time to stop goofing off. I have had years to research voters that I wasted goofing off