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@BrotherD.Thomas
Don't misunderstand me. But an assumed Christian can only do one thing. And I have been told this over and over on this forum. There is no Christian worldview. There are no Christian doctrines that we follow all the time because we cherry pick them at will, and let the disturbing doctrines remain on the side, and if we did follow a few of these disturbing doctrines, we would be doing prison time in the name of Jesus. There are just Christians who ALL believe in Jesus in so many different ways because of so many contradicting divisions of the faith! In fact this is our only belief in who in the Hell is the real Jesus?! LOL!So if someone who calls themselves a Christian - does good or is benevolent to someone - it is not the result of their Christianity. In fact that would be impossible. Because if it was - then this would be implying that there are positive beliefs that flow from Christianity even when the Bible contradicts itself ad infinitum. But we know that has to be untrue, even though it does.So how then can a Christian do good things if it does not always flow from their Christian view?It is because they have to borrow from other world views that preceded Christianity- things like morality and goodness and well, everything for that matter. They are really a lot like leaches aren't we?Assumed Christians therefore only ever do good works and benevolent things when they borrow them from someone else, like Christianity did from many previous religions, especially Mithraism that was copied by Christianity verbatim!!! And given that there is not an Christian worldview because our divisions of the faith contradict each other - it must flow from a non-Christian worldview and understanding of the world. Assumed Christians do good not because they are Christians, but because Jesus tells them to be good for their salvation. Don't you love this?So every time a Christian does anything good - they actually reveal a belief in Humanism even if they with their mouths and their minds are Christians. This is such an amusing thing.I as being the only True Christian upon this forum have had to accept the above facts towards Christianity.How will the assumed Christian rationalize this? Well we will wait and find out won’t we.
There is little change in a person who converts to Christianity. Everything from there on can be justified by faith.
Justification by Faith.
The teaching of justification by faith is what separates biblical Christianity from all other belief systems. In every religion, and in some branches of what is called “Christianity,” man is working his way to God. Only in true, biblical Christianity is man saved as a result of grace through faith. Only when we get back to the Bible do we see that justification is by faith, apart from works.
Once a person is justified, there is nothing else he needs in order to gain entrance into heaven. Since justification comes by faith in Christ, based on His work on our behalf, our own works are disqualified as a means of salvation (Romans 3:28). There exist vast religious systems with complex theologies that teach the false doctrine of justification by works. But they are teaching “a different gospel—which is really no gospel at all” (Galatians 1:6–7).
This might explain why there is little change in a person who converts to Christianity. Everything from there on can be justified by faith.
Extremely well put!
So you accept you are the same person you were before your conversion, except the same past actions are now justifiable by faith.
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@Benjamin
Free will contradicts theism because a creator God necesarily prohibits free will.P1: An omniscient God knows the complete history of every possible universe; (by necesity including all choices made every universe)P2: A creator God decided which of the possible universes to createC: God literally decided how history would turn out and what choices people would makeThere is no way around this conclusion. God decided to create a universe where Adam and Eve would eat from the fruit of knowledge. God decided that Adam and Eve would sin, because literally nothing is outside his controll. By definition, nothing happens that conflict with God's decisions. Adam and Eve did not have free will; their choice was no more free than a clock is to show the correct time or not. The creator of the watch is responsible for the watch dysfunctioning, not the watch istself. Blaming a human for a crime is like blaming a gun for a murder --- sure it was the gun who shot the bullet, but the gun was controlled by someone else. This is just an analogy of course, but the point is important.The problem of evil is so often dismissed without further elaboration by pointing to free will, and that humans (and/or demons), not God, cause evil and suffering in this world. When used to solve the problem of evil free will is nothing short of magic being invoked to dodge the disturbing implications of God's magic.If we remove the "magic" from the equation we can confidently say that all humans have choice --- but that CHOISE IS NOT FREE FROM EXTERNAL CONTROLL AND CAUSALITY
Jesus is a good example of how God forced a scripted life on Jesus from birth to death.
Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”
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@SkepticalOne
Isn’t that what happened to Abortion Rights?
The Supreme Court threw out Roe V Wade because the Christian Conservatives packed the court with conservative judges.
Yes, I would say so. Although I doubt Scotus would openly agree with that description.
So the separation of State and Church in the Constitution is a big lie.
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@Tradesecret
Polytheist-Witch: The mods know it too and they simply allow him to keep spewing his hatred because you know it's directed at us.How am I spewing hatred by quoting scriptures? Tradesecret as a preacher does it all the time even though he knows Jesus was crucified for what he claimed and preached.John 10:33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
Tradesecret : Poly never said you spewed hatred by quoting the scriptures. It is your commentary and interpretation that permeates hatred.Jesus was crucified but thankfully, and praise God, he rose from the dead. He is alive.
Jesus lost the Jews the very people he was sent to save.
Matthew 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
The Romans even crucified their messiah, destroyed the temple, Jerusalem and replaced Judaism with the Roman Catholic Church turning it is a universal religion.
Jesus who claimed in Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Jesus is now a housekeeper in heaven preparing rooms for guests.
John 14:2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
Stood idly by.
Even the Pope declared the cross was a failure of God.
Pope Francis said during his whirlwind U. S. Tour. "And if at times OUR EFFORTS AND WORKS SEEM TO FAIL AND PRODUCE NO FRUIT, We need to REMEMBER that WE ARE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS. . . And His LIFE, Humanly speaking, ENDED IN FAILURE, THE FAILURE OF THE CROSS?"
When you don"t understand something, When desperation hits you then look at the CROSS. THAT IS THE GREAT FAILURE OF GOD, THAT IS THE DESTRUCTION OF GOD, AND IT'S A CHALLENGE TO OUR FAITH?
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@Tradesecret
It was a miscalculation by Jesus to speak to the Jews differently in the New Testament Gospels than God did in the Old Testament.
I assume you think that because he destroyed the world - that this means he did not love the world. Perhaps it might mean that. Or perhaps it might mean that he did not love what humans had become - so he decided to wash the world clean with water?It is not unimportant that God waited patiently for them to repent - according to 1 Peter 3:20. Even in their hatred of God, God still waited for them to stop being disobedient. 120 years is a long time.In any event, Jesus did not miscalculate in any of his dealings on earth. Nor did he speak differently in the NT than he did in the OT. God judges in the NT and in the OT. He loved in the OT and in the NT. IT is the same God in the OT and the NT.The only who seems to be incorrect or in error is you.
God sent plagues to Egypt and fed the Jews during the Exodus. Old Testament.
Jesus said he was sent to save the Jews.
Matthew 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
Jesus knew the Romans would kill their messiah, destroy the Holy Temple and slaughter the Jews the very people he was sent to save. Jesus even quoted Daniel.
But Jesus allowed himself to be mocked, beaten and ridiculed by the Romans before they crucified him.
It was a miscalculation by Jesus to treat Jews differently in the New Testament Gospels than God did in the Old Testament.
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@Stephen
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his Son so that whosoever trusts in him will have life and not death.
Genesis 6:6-10 The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7So the LORD said, "I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created-and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground-for I regret that I have made them.""So loved the world! eh, "Tradey".
It was a miscalculation by Jesus to speak to the Jews differently in the New Testament Gospels than God did in the Old Testament.
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Proof of Exodus….
From another archeologist Israel Finkelstein.
Exodus never happened and the walls of Jericho did not come a-tumbling down. How archaeologists are shaking Israel to its biblical foundations.
Israel Finkelstein, chairman of the Archaeology Department at Tel Aviv University, with archaeology historian Neil Asher Silberman, has just published a book called "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Text."
"The Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land [of Canaan] in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the twelve tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is the fact that the united kingdom of David and Solomon, described in the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom."
Jerusalem was essentially a cow town, not the glorious capital of an empire. These findings have been accepted by the majority of biblical scholars and archaeologists for years and even decades.
The tales of the patriarchs -- Abraham, Isaac and Joseph among others -- were the first to go when biblical scholars found those passages rife with anachronisms and other inconsistencies. The story of Exodus, one of the most powerful epics of enslavement, courage and liberation in human history, also slipped from history to legend when archaeologists could no longer ignore the lack of corroborating contemporary Egyptian accounts and the absence of evidence of large encampments in the Sinai Peninsula ("the wilderness" where Moses brought the Israelites after leading them through the parted Red Sea).
Finkelstein is an iconoclast. He established his reputation in part by developing a theory about the settlement patterns of the nomadic shepherd tribes who would eventually become the Israelites, bolstering the growing consensus that they were originally indistinguishable from the rest of their neighbors, the Canaanites. This overturns a key element in the Bible: The Old Testament depicts the Israelites as superior outsiders -- descended from Abraham, a Mesopotamian immigrant -- entitled by divine order to invade Canaan and exterminate its unworthy, idolatrous inhabitants.
The famous battle of Jericho, with which the Israelites supposedly launched this campaign of conquest after wandering for decades in the desert, has been likewise debunked: The city of Jericho didn't exist at that time and had no walls to come tumbling down. These assertions are all pretty much accepted by mainstream archaeologists.
Marcus says that Finkelstein is "difficult to dismiss because he's so much an insider in terms of his credentials and background. He's an archaeologist, not a theologian, and he is an Israeli. It's hard to say that someone who was born in Israel and intends to live the rest of his life there is anti-Israeli."
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@FLRW
The share of Americans who identify as white and Christian has dropped below 50 percent, a transformation fueled by immigration and by growing numbers of people who reject organized religion altogether, according to a new survey released Wednesday.Christians overall remain a large majority in the U.S., at nearly 70 percent of Americans. However, white Christians, once predominant in the country’s religious life, now comprise only 43 percent of the population, according to the Public Religion Research Institute, or PRRI, a polling organization based in Washington. Four decades ago, about eight in 10 Americans were white Christians.What percent of college professors are Christians? That figure is only about 7 percent, according to the nationwide General Social Survey, issued by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago.
The Christian Post.
More Americans Now Believe Bible Is a Book of Fables, Not Literal Word of God: Gallup.
By 2030 the majority of Christians will come from Africa.
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@GnosticChristianBishop
Sons of Gods screwing our human women caused Yahweh to use genocide on the whole of Noah's earth.To think that a returning, genocidal Armageddon holding savior like Jesus is good, is way too immoral of a position for me to endorse.What denomination do you follow?Why would you think that a God who can cure as easily as kill would choose to kill?RegardsDL
God is portrayed in the Bible as a genocidal killer..
I follow Jews for Christ.
What you see as evil in the world, some see as good.RegardsDL
I hope I am wrong in that case.
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@Elliott
Sucking wine from a sponge would have even lessened the amount of wine available to Jesus which would have made Jesus declare it is finished even sooner. That only further weakens your case.
Okay, we seem to be arguing in circles. I think I have done.
I am glad I convinced you not to drink wine by sucking wine out of a sponge.
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How Does One Reconcile The Existence of God on a Debate Site?
On a religion forum it is easy to separate Theists from Atheists because members will tell you what their beliefs are.
The problem is not the existence of God. The problem is the perception of God in the absence of a personal experience
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@Stephen
There is no mention of Jesus bleeding or having blood, only flesh and bones. That would make him a Vampire.
FFS give over you clown. He had wounds, flesh wounds, and had invited people to have a poke around.The disciples believed they were seeing a ghost/ spirit." 37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit".But Jesus says touch my wounds and have a good poke around and see > "it is I myself for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have".Luke 24:36- 39Jesus in the verses above is clearly saying he is not spirit because spirits do not have flesh and bone. Take it or leave it sunshine, but this is a biblical fact from the mouth of the Christ himself.If you want to keep acting the complete and utter twat be my guest but don't expect too many responses from me.
We are back to original question.
How did Jesus enter a locked room?
John 20:26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”
Obviously he returned as a spirit or Ghost. Spirits can go through walls and locked doors.
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Polytheist-Witches: It's okay I don't expect any white man to get it because they tend to be really stupid of everything that they don't actually engage in themselves. So you understand very very little.
Are you saying black voodoo men are more sympathetic to your condition?
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@GnosticChristianBishop
I am a realist and see a lot more good than evil.As a Gnostic Christian, I can see the underlying perfection of what is around me.The Gnostic Christian reality.Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.[And after they have reigned they will rest.]""If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do.Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world?Candide."It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle.RegardsDL
The world is in a very precarious situation. Global warming, pandemics, Russian invasion of Ukraine, US influencing diminishing, etc. etc.
It is important we believe Jesus will return and be allowed to fix these problems. Searching for virgin births should be our highest priority. That is Jesus’s preferred method of conception.
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@Elliott
It isn’t a matter of questioning his teachings it is the fact that people are able to place their own interpretation on them.As to this “But why he stopped is made clear in john 19. The drink he received was not enough to keep him going. They should have offered him a larger wine cup filled to the top.” It isn't made clear, where in John’s gospel does it say that the drink was not enough and that they should have given him larger wine cup filled to the top? It doesn’t, it is fabrication. He didn’t even drink from the cup, he sucked the wine from a sponge.
Sucking wine from a sponge would have even lessened the amount of wine available to Jesus which would have made Jesus declare it is finished even sooner. That only further weakens your case.
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@Stephen
The Bible is what will be used to question and hold Jesus accountable to the world in as many languages it has been translated to.
English will make the job simpler because it is the most widely spoken language.
So your answer is , No, then.
You cannot destroy the only evidence we have which is in the Bible that could possibly justify crucifying Jesus a second time.
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Polytheist-Witch: Well the title bitch, should basically imply I'm a bitch. I'm too old to menstrate but I appreciate you feeling I have a young energy. So if you're looking for a title that doesn't have to do with me being on a period I'd go for cunt. I certainly pride myself on that one.
You have lost your power as a woman to menstruate, so you changed bitch to witch in your title. A title that doesn't have to do with you being on a period. Ok!
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Polytheist-Witch: Repeating something stupid doesn't change it to smart.
Why is repeating your title Polytheist-Witch is something stupid?
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@rbelivb
Evidence for God
Every theistic religion provides the evidence for God and the various ways man has tried to Worship God.
But the personification of God is the individual struggle. Trying to create an image of God that each can personify.
Even Jesus lamented about God on the cross.
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is to say, “My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?”
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Polytheist-Witch: The fact that you're stupid doesn't make it a title. Nice try though.
The title Witch suggests you have powers as in Polytheist-Witch.
Just like the title Bitch would suggest you menstruate.
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Polytheist-Witch: Seems that way, yes.
So the witch is a title which suggests you have powers.
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@SkepticalOne
How is the State protected from religion when the population in the State are mostly Christians.
One of the duties of the state is to protect religious freedom. Religious freedom isn't only applicable to Christianity- it applies to all religious views. The personal views of government officials are irrelevant to their governmental obligation. Using the power of the people to advance their religion would be a betrayal of the trust the governed places in them.
Isn’t that what happened to Abortion Rights?
The Supreme Court threw out Roe V Wade because the Christian Conservatives packed the court with conservative judges.
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@Stephen
Shila wrote: So I am right, Jesus appeared before the disciples as a spirit.Stephen wrote: NO!!!. read what this supposed son of god says himself, FFS!.The disciples believed they were seeing a ghost/ spirit." 37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit".But Jesus says touch my wounds and have a good poke around and see > "it is I myself for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have".Luke 24:36- 39Read this thread and see what the dopey apologist invent in their attempts to get over this little dilemma.Shila wrote:The Bible describes spiritual bodies as immortal but not immaterial. A spiritual body is dominated by the spirit but it is not devoid of all matter. The Greek word used by Paul for spiritual (pneumatikos) means a body directed by the spirit, as opposed to one controlled by the flesh. So, a spiritual body is immortal and imperishable but it is not immaterial. According to Geisler, Paul’s reference to a “spiritual” (pneumatikos) body denotes a supernatural body, not a non-physical one. For example, in 1 Corinthians 10:4, Paul speaks of the “supernatural (pneumatikos) rock” from which the Israelites got “spiritual drink.” However, Exodus 17:5-6 and Numbers 20:8-9 make it clear the rock was a physical rock from which the Israelites got physical water, but by supernatural means. Further, when Paul spoke about the spiritual man in 1 Corinthians 2:11-15, he was not referring to an invisible, immaterial man without a physical body but a man with a fleshly body whose life was lived by the supernatural power of God.
Stephen wrote: Well it is there written in black on white. Jesus returned as he went a, full grown human . His wounds were flesh wounds. He says he is flesh and bone and clearly states that he cannot be a spirit because he is flesh and bone.
There is no mention of Jesus bleeding or having blood, only flesh and bones. That would make him a Vampire.
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@Stephen
Stephen wrote: May They Just As Well Condemn The Bible To The Skip?Shila wrote: There was a reason the Bible was translated in over 150 different languages so it could become a universal outreach.The fact the original Greek, Hebrew manuscripts are forever lost proves no one thought they were worth saving.Stephen wrote: OK. So what is your answer?Shila wrote: Jesus better learn English before returning or he will be largely ignored again.
Stephen wrote: But what about the bible? Should it be condemn The Bible To The Skip?
The Bible is what will be used to question and hold Jesus accountable to the world in as many languages it has been translated to.
English will make the job simpler because it is the most widely spoken language.
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@GnosticChristianBishop
Jacob strove both for and against God when creating Jewry.All of us should seek a master, but only to be able to do better.Remember that Jesus takes over when he gets to heaven.So should we all wish to.RegardsDL
The Jews were promised a Davidic Kingdom on Earth.
Jesus is a housekeeper in Heaven. Both are undelivered promised.
John 14:2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”
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Polytheist-Witch:Polytheist-Witch: April 30/ May 1 has all kinds of goodies going. Black New Moon, Partial Solar Eclipse and Wonnenacht (also known as Walpurgisnacht elsewhere) where Holda leads the Wild Hunt and grinds the souls on her mill to break up the parts and move them on. And it's the first night of the twelve-night/twelve-day observance where Dunner (Thor) fights the Frost Giants so planting can begin on Mother's Day. Lots of ritual work. Very exciting.
Is that what you consider a Big Pagan Weekend?
No I just said that so dumbass is like you would reply
You created this OP 3 months ago that was 3 months before I even became a member. Is that how your witch powers work?
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@SkepticalOne
The separation of Church and State was to allow the church to grow unhindered by the State.
Separation protects both religion from state and state from religion.
How is the State protected from religion when the population in the State are mostly Christians. Take for example the Bible Belt or Southern States.
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Polytheist-Witch: It's not a title, you freaking idiot.
Polytheist-Witch is more a title than a name.
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@Elliott
Jesus never said his mission was finished. Which explains why he promised to return.
But why he stopped is made clear in john 19. The drink he received was not enough to keep him going. They should have offered him a larger wine cup filled to the top.
John 19:30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
You forget the night before Jesus asked god to take away the wine cup he was drinking from.
So you can image how badly he needed a drink after going through the crucifixion process. But the people underestimated his level of alcoholism and that left Jesus under spirited to continue the good works.
Matthew 26:39 And He went a little farther, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as Thou wilt.”
There is nothing definitive there; it all seems to be speculation based on personal interpretation.For example, you say “Jesus never said his mission was finished. Which explains why he promised to return.” This is an argument from ignorance. Failing to say his mission is finished puts you in a position of not knowing, it doesn’t equate to him promising to return.It is one of the reasons I don’t consider Jesus to be a great teacher, if your teachings are open to interpretation then you have failed to accurately convey your message.
You are not alone questioning Jesus’s claims.
The Jews too rejected Jesus and demanded that he be crucified.
But the man deserves a proper interpretation of what his said because there is a big gap between being a liar or a lunatic.
We all can conclude his work was not finished but his drink was in John 19:30. When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
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Polytheist-Witch: April 30/ May 1 has all kinds of goodies going. Black New Moon, Partial Solar Eclipse and Wonnenacht (also known as Walpurgisnacht elsewhere) where Holda leads the Wild Hunt and grinds the souls on her mill to break up the parts and move them on. And it's the first night of the twelve-night/twelve-day observance where Dunner (Thor) fights the Frost Giants so planting can begin on Mother's Day. Lots of ritual work. Very exciting.
Is that what you consider a Big Pagan Weekend?
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@Lunar108
why do feminists defend islam and not christianity
In Islam the Prophet Mohammad had several wives. In Christianity Jesus neither married or had children.
Women just feel more secure in a Muslim home than living with a cross carrying Christian eunuch.
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Polytheist-Witch: The posts that are here are what happens when male pigs try to describe a practice they've taken no effort in doing any research on. And what information they have gathered is from TV shows like Charmed or movies like The Craft. Morons.
Is that how you got your title, Polytheist-Witch?
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@RationalMadman
Just curious how the double standard runs exactly, is it that since the parents mutilate the child via a surgeon, it's okay to remove the beautiful foreskin the way that God made it?This applies to you oddball American Catholics and Protestants who circumcise despite it being a Jewish and Islamic tradition, same with some African Christians and even tribal Pagans that took on the tradition.
The Jews accepted circumcision as a small sacrifice to establish a Covenant with God. God wanted his chosen people the Jews to be easily identifiable.
Islam inherited the Covenant of Circumcision through Ishmael the first born son of Abraham.
American Catholics and Protestants adopted circumcision at the same time anal sex was becoming popular in America. It was for personal hygiene. Easier to wash and keep the penis clean during and after oral sex and also found effective against AIDS.
Muslims took advantage of this American perception of Circumcision and filled the immigration lines.
Trump had to call for a ban on Muslim immigration to America to protect American Christians from terrorist abuse.
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@Stephen
There was a reason the Bible was translated in over 150 different languages so it could become a universal outreach.
The fact the original Greek, Hebrew manuscripts are forever lost proves no one thought they were worth saving.
OK. So what is your answer?
Jesus better learn English before returning or he will be largely ignored again.
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@Swagnarok
Christian nationalism is as American as apple pie.What is nationalism? Defined broadly, it's the political expression of identitarianism. We have black identitarianism, an umbrella POC identitarianism, a slowly growing white identitarianism, feminism, the LGBTQ movement, militant atheist political activism to shut down any whiff of a small town Christmas pageant or football game prayers, and so on.Then there are a million other niche groups that haven't quite risen to that level: people who call themselves "survivors" of mainstream psychiatry. People who identify with the label of not being able to get a girlfriend. Eunuchs. Flat earthers. Anti-vaxxers. All of it's but a continuation of Alexis de Tocqueville's description of America as a place of endless voluntary associations.I would be shocked if Christians weren't a part of this process. Especially given that Christians have some of the most noteworthy collective gripes and grievances in the country.
Over 70% of Americans claim they are Christians. The American constitution guaranteed Americans their God given rights.
The separation of Church and State was to allow the church to grow unhindered by the State.
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@Elliott
Jesus never said his mission was finished. Which explains why he promised to return.
But why he stopped is made clear in john 19. The drink he received was not enough to keep him going. They should have offered him a larger wine cup filled to the top.
John 19:30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
I don’t know where you are coming from with his “needing more wine” it seems like an attempt at a metaphor and a rather obscure one so at that. I don’t think there is a Biblical reference to give it any substance.Jesus said “it is finished” so hardly a promise to return, quite the opposite.The fact is he didn’t fulfil the proficiency in Isaiah 2:4 and it is one fundamental to him being accepted as the Jewish messiah, to say he intends to do it when he returns at some unspecified time is something of a cop out, I doubt the Jews would accept that and I don’t blame them.
You forget the night before Jesus asked god to take away the wine cup he was drinking from.
So you can image how badly he needed a drink after going through the crucifixion process. But the people underestimated his level of alcoholism and that left Jesus under spirited to continue the good works.
Matthew 26:39 And He went a little farther, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as Thou wilt.”
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@Stephen
So I am right, Jesus appeared before the disciples as a spirit.
NO!!!. read what this supposed son of god says himself, FFS!.The disciples believed they were seeing a ghost/ spirit." 37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit".But Jesus says touch my wounds and have a good poke around and see > "it is I myself for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have".Luke 24:36- 39Read this thread and see what the dopey apologist invent in their attempts to get over this little dilemma.
The Bible describes spiritual bodies as immortal but not immaterial. A spiritual body is dominated by the spirit but it is not devoid of all matter. The Greek word used by Paul for spiritual (pneumatikos) means a body directed by the spirit, as opposed to one controlled by the flesh. So, a spiritual body is immortal and imperishable but it is not immaterial. According to Geisler, Paul’s reference to a “spiritual” (pneumatikos) body denotes a supernatural body, not a non-physical one. For example, in 1 Corinthians 10:4, Paul speaks of the “supernatural (pneumatikos) rock” from which the Israelites got “spiritual drink.” However, Exodus 17:5-6 and Numbers 20:8-9 make it clear the rock was a physical rock from which the Israelites got physical water, but by supernatural means. Further, when Paul spoke about the spiritual man in 1 Corinthians 2:11-15, he was not referring to an invisible, immaterial man without a physical body but a man with a fleshly body whose life was lived by the supernatural power of God.
Moses too saw God both in the spirit and physical form.
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@Stephen
English is unique in that one can say anything in English which can mean the same thing to any other language translators but the meaning quite easily gets lost in translation.
As I have already written above:Stephen wrote; when [Christians are] pressed on such it appears that these very same people will resort to the default that one must understand Greek or Hebrew to even begin to understand a Bible that is written in English! But by saying so they do not seem to understand that they have, in just a few words, rendered the Bible written in English redundant, pointless and unreliable as any kind of “witness” source to the life and times of the Christ.#1My point is that when Christians are pressed on matters biblical and posed awkward and or embarrassing questions about what is written in the bible, their default is along the lines of " your question is redundant because you can't read or understand the context of ancient Greek of ancient Hebrew". And by using this default they don't seem to realise that they, themselves, have just condemned all bibles written in English to the trash pile. Hence my question:May They Just As Well Condemn The Bible To The Skip?So is your answer yes or no?
There was a reason the Bible was translated in over 150 different languages so it could become a universal outreach.
The fact the original Greek, Hebrew manuscripts are forever lost proves no one thought they were worth saving.
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@zedvictor4
But a broom between a witches legs is sexually taunting to any aggressive male.
Curious facts.Interestingly some of the first documented Witches on broomsticks were Christians, deemed heretics by the Roman Catholic Church.And the first trial and torture of a witch on a broomstick, was that of a male priest.And for sure sticks between legs is an ancient fertility ritual, for obvious reasons.
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@PGA2.0
A New Heaven and a New Earth
Revelation 21:1 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’[b] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”.
Nothing has changed since Jesus was crucified. Even our calendar continues to mark the days with little interruption. Even the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—to be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulphur areqq still with us.
Nothing has changed???Where are the animal sacrifices of the Old Covenant? Where is the Levitical priesthood? Where is the blood atonement for the sins of Israel? Where is the temple and temple worship? Where are the feast days sacrifices? Remember that Jesus said not ONE iota of the law or prophets will change/be abolished until ALL is accomplished. So, where are these things? Why are they not being followed today? Address Matthew 5:17-18.
We don’t have a new heaven or earth and we still have our seas. The end of the temple or sacrifices was prophesied in a Daniel.
In Daniel 9:24-26, Daniel delivers a prophecy that Jerusalem and the Temple would be destroyed, again. Within these verses, Daniel provides a chronology by which certain events would occur. First, the Jews would return from captivity and rebuild Jerusalem and the Temple. Afterwards, an "anointed one," or Messiah, would appear, but he would be rejected. Then, Jerusalem and the Temple would be destroyed, again.
So it was the destruction of the temple that ended the old covenant, sacrifices and blood atonement. Even Jesus refers to Daniel.
Mat 24:15 KJV - 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
But Jewish worship still continues in synagogues and Sacrifices are alive and well: They have been slightly redefined.
Matthew 5:17-18
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Judaism still exists. The laws of the prophets are still in the Books. Yet nothing has changed or been accomplished. The Jews still reject Jesus.
Nothing has changed!!!
Even the Pope declared the cross was a failure of God.
:Pope Francis said during his whirlwind U. S. Tour. "And if at times OUR EFFORTS AND WORKS SEEM TO FAIL AND PRODUCE NO FRUIT, We need to REMEMBER that WE ARE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS . . And His LIFE, Humanly speaking, ENDED IN FAILURE, THE FAILURE OF THE CROSS"
When you don"t understand something, When desperation hits you then look at the CROSS. THAT IS THE GREAT FAILURE OF GOD, THAT IS THE DESTRUCTION OF GOD, AND IT'S A CHALLENGE TO OUR FAITH
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@PGA2.0
Justification by Faith.
The teaching of justification by faith is what separates biblical Christianity from all other belief systems. In every religion, and in some branches of what is called “Christianity,” man is working his way to God. Only in true, biblical Christianity is man saved as a result of grace through faith. Only when we get back to the Bible do we see that justification is by faith, apart from works.
Once a person is justified, there is nothing else he needs in order to gain entrance into heaven. Since justification comes by faith in Christ, based on His work on our behalf, our own works are disqualified as a means of salvation (Romans 3:28). There exist vast religious systems with complex theologies that teach the false doctrine of justification by works. But they are teaching “a different gospel—which is really no gospel at all” (Galatians 1:6–7).
This might explain why there is little change in a person who converts to Christianity. Everything from there on can be justified by faith.
Extremely well put!
So you accept you are the same person you were before your conversion, except the same past actions are now justifiable by faith.
No, not the same. We are born again. It is now God, in Christ Jesus, who has done the work, not me. My faith rests upon Jesus and what He accomplished, not on anything I can or have done. And the Holy Spirit changes my disposition towards God. God creates in me a new spirit, a spirit of renewal and trust in Him. What I could not do on my own I see as accomplished in Christ Jesus.
Why did Jesus himself expect to be recognized for his good works if just faith alone was justifiable?
John 10:31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
Actions and words matter not just faith in something else.
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@SkepticalOne
Simply put, then, there is no such thing as the "Judeo-Christian tradition." It is a modern invention. There always has been a Jewish tradition and a Christian tradition ― or, more accurately, varieties of Jewish and Christian traditions. The term "Judeo-Christian tradition" continues the suppression of Jewishness by hiding the essential differences between Judaism and Christianity, one of which is that each denies the validity of the other. As Rabbi Eliezer Berkovits puts it, "Judaism is Judaism because it rejects Christianity, and Christianity is Christianity because it rejects Judaism."
Agree. Judeo-Christian is code for Christian.
Judeo-Christian accepts Christianity has its roots in Judaism. But the primary difference is Jesus is central to Christianity and circumcision is central to Judaism.
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@SkepticalOne
So Judeo-Christian is about the restoration of the Davidic Kingdom by Jesus a Jew. It is about the humble expectations Jews and Christians have placed on Jesus.
Judaism and Christianity holds conflicting views on Jesus. This proposed definition of Judeo-Christian is incoherent. Additionally, you've provided no position on Christian Nationalism.
The term Judeo-Christian is used to group Christianity and Judaism together, either in reference to Christianity's derivation from Judaism, Christianity's borrowing of Jewish Scripture to constitute the "Old Testament" of the Christian Bible, or due to the parallels or commonalities in Judaeo-Christian ethics shared by the two religions.
At the end of the day ― or the end of the world, for that matter ― the term "Judeo-Christian" is one we might well do to abandon. It conceals the Western history of anti-Judaism. Even when, in philo-Semitic mode, it appears to extol the virtue of Jewish identity, it is deeply anti-Judaic.
Simply put, then, there is no such thing as the "Judeo-Christian tradition." It is a modern invention. There always has been a Jewish tradition and a Christian tradition ― or, more accurately, varieties of Jewish and Christian traditions. The term "Judeo-Christian tradition" continues the suppression of Jewishness by hiding the essential differences between Judaism and Christianity, one of which is that each denies the validity of the other. As Rabbi Eliezer Berkovits puts it, "Judaism is Judaism because it rejects Christianity, and Christianity is Christianity because it rejects Judaism."
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@Stephen
Is the Bible written in English worth the paper it is written on? I personally wouldn’t want to see this ancient work destroyed.I think it is well known of me by now that on the surface I find the Bible (New Testament in particular) to be a book of contradictory, ambiguous, anomalous, vague, enigmatic and problematic half stories surrounding a man that believed or was led to believe he was a rightful king and heir to the throne of Jerusalem and the power struggle that he had to endure in the times of ancient Palestine under Roman occupation and between the many other factions and sects that existed at the time. And not to be taken literally at all times. i.e. a man didn’t rises from a physical death to be alive again after being physically dead for three days.Others think to the contrary. For instance, there are those that I have met that believe the Bible to be clear and concise in its presentation and self evidently true and without any ambiguity whatsoever in the way it has come down to us. Until of course they are posed a few simple questions which usually arise not just frequently from the Bible but just as frequent from their own commentary, and when pressed on such it appears that these very same people will resort to the default that one must understand Greek or Hebrew to even begin to understand a Bible that is written in English! But by saying so they do not seem to understand that they have, in just a few words, rendered the Bible written in English redundant, pointless and unreliable as any kind of “witness” source to the life and times of the Christ.So is there at all any point to reading, never mind studying the Bible written in English? A Bible that those who have said that is clear and concise but suddenly insist that the Bible is fathomable and understandable only when one is tutored, trained and learned in the ancient Greek or Hebrew languages?
The problem with the English translation of the Bible is the many ways English can be translated which have given rise to some 33,000 denominations of Christians.
The Jews are united behind their Hebrew Bible which makes up the Old Testament.
The Romans were united behind the Greek translation of the Gospels and books in The New Testament. The Roman Catholic Church made Christianity a universal religion based on their Greek and Latin translation of the New Testament.
But the problem started with Tyndale’s Bible.
A translation by William Tyndale of portions of the Bible from the original Greek and Hebrew texts.
The Tyndale Bible usually refers to the translations of various books of the Bible by William Tyndale in the 1500s. His work is credited with being the first English translation from the original Hebrew and Greek texts and the first English biblical translation that was mass-produced as a result of new advances in the art of printing. Tyndale never published a complete Bible prior to his execution, as he only finished translating the New Testament and roughly half of the Old Testament. However, Tyndale's translations have greatly influenced nearly every modern English translation of Scripture.
English is unique in that one can say anything in English which can mean the same thing to any other language translators but the meaning quite easily gets lost in translation.
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@Elliott
Perhaps the New Testament was written to include the fulfilment of those prophesies simply to establish the claim that Jesus was the Messiah.To say he fulfilled the Messianic prophesies, what about this one:Isaiah 2:4He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.Looking at the history of Christianity quite the opposite was achieved.
Jesus never said his mission was finished. Which explains why he promised to return.
But why he stopped is made clear in john 19. The drink he received was not enough to keep him going. They should have offered him a larger wine cup filled to the top.
John 19:30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
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@TheMorningsStar
So often when I talk with Christians about the Trinity they use analogies which more align with the heretical views of modalism, partialism, or tritheism. When they don't offer those analogies they tend to either use such vague terminology that it isn't clear what they are talking about, simply give a link to a source that will 'explain' it for them, or simply admit that they don't understand it either.Now, it could be that the issue is that I tend to get into these types of discussions in more casual forums with people that do not often engage in debate, and so hopefully, this being a debate-centric website, that won't be an issue here. I'm not saying that it cannot be done, but simply that I have not yet seen it done.To those that believe the classical idea of Trinity (upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Shield-Trinity-Scutum-Fidei-English.svg/1138px-Shield-Trinity-Scutum-Fidei-English.svg.png), can you explain it in a way that is easily understandable and not heretical?
The trinity as one God exists as or in three equally divine “Persons”, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is not supported anywhere in the Bible.
Jesus always prayed to the Father
Jesus said the Holy Spirit would come only “after” he left.
Jesus said he too had a God.
John 16:7 But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 about sin, because people do not believe in me; 10 about righteousness,because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer;
June 20:17 17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
But the trinity or threesome that produced Jesus is well documented in Luke.
Luke 1:35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.
The Holy Spirit or sperm donor came on Mary. The Most High overshadowed (overpowered) Mary and held her down. Mary was gang raped and the threesome or trinity produced Jesus.
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@Reece101
What Will Jesus Look like When he Comes Back?Will he be black Jesus, asian Jesus, the OG Jesus (What a Middle Eastern Jewish person would look like 2000 years ago), orrr Aryan Jesus?
Jesus gives us a clue.
1 Thessalonians 5:2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.
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@GnosticChristianBishop
I mean that Jews have always put man above God, in recognition that all the notions about any god are man made.
True, when it came to making a covenant with God. Instead of offering worship of God, Abraham pulled out his penis and suggested circumcision.
Jesus even asks in scriptures, have ye forgotten that ye are gods?
Reminding them ye are gods was to legitimize Jesus’s own claim to be the son of god.
I do not think any Jew has ever been fool enough as to believe in talking serpents and donkeys.
Jews did believe in talking serpents and riding a donkey could fulfill a messianic prophecy.
Gnostic Christians are well aligned with Judaism.
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@Harikrish
Why Christianity is a failure and Christians in denial?Jesus never claimed he was God. He said he was sent by God to save the Jews. But we know that failed. Jesus said he would return 2000 years ago. But that never happened.During his life on earth Jesus was called a liar and a lunatic.1. Liar.John 10:33 "We are not stoning You for any good work," said the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God."2. Lunatic.0Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, "He is out of His mind."John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him?"3. They demanded Jesus be crucified.Luke 23:21 but they kept shouting, "Crucify Him! Crucify Him!"4. The Romans crucified Jesus.John 19:23 When they crucified him, the Roman soldiers took his clothes and divided them up four ways, to each soldier a fourth. But his robe was seamless, a single piece of weaving ...5. Even Jesus blamed God for forsaking him on the cross.Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?"6. Jesus's call to his disciples failed too. No one followed Jesus or joined him in his crucifixion. Therefore no one was saved or worthy of Jesus.Matthew 10:38 and anyone who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me.7. His discipiles all tried to save their own lives and did not want to lose it for Jesus.Luke 17:33 Whoever tries to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life will preserve it.8. The one time offer for salvation ended with Jesus. Jesus has not returned to make a similar offer to future generations. But God has sent another prophet Mohammad in his place.9. Jesus spoke to his generation. Repeating his words does not carry the same promise. His promise ended on the cross.Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?"10. Even the Pope declared the cross was a failure of God.Pope Francis said during his whirlwind U.S. tour. "And if at times <ins><strong>OUR EFFORTS AND WORKS SEEM TO FAIL AND PRODUCE NO FRUIT, we need to REMEMBERthat <ins><strong>WE ARE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS ... and <ins><strong>His LIFE</strong></ins>, humanly speaking, ENDED IN FAILURE, THE FAILURE OF THE CROSS"When you don"t understand something, when desperation hits you then look at the <ins><strong>CROSS. THAT IS THE GREAT FAILURE OF GOD, THAT IS THE DESTRUCTION OF GOD, AND IT'S A CHALLENGE TO OUR FAITHIf there is no resurrection of Jesus then Jesus did not die for anyone's sins on the cross. Dattaswami said Jesus was saved by his disciples and smuggled to India where he lived to 85 years in Kashmir.Dattaswami believes Jesus's resurrection never happened.Reply: Bhavishya purana"Dattaswami wrote: When Jesus was crucified based on simple emotional slogans. His death was not justified and therefore He rose and walked out. When the soldier was leaving finally, He pierced the stomach of Jesus with his weapon. Then blood came out. Blood will not come out from dead body. Jesus was alive and He was brought down by His disciples. Then He was kept in the cave. He knew the protection of His life. He walked into India and met the king Salivahana and talked with him. His conversation was recorded in "Bhavishaya Purana" of Vyasa. This scripture speaks about the future. Vyasa wrote this long back.The verse in scripture is "Esa Putram Cha Mam Viddhi, Kumari Garbha Sambhavam, Mlechcha Dharmasya Vaktaram"', Which means "I am the son of the father of heaven. I was born to unmarried girl. I preached spirituality to Muslims. ' Thus spoke Jesus to Salivahana. He stayed in India till He attained the age of eighty-five years and died in Kashmir. You can find the buried tomb of Jesus there even today. On the tomb it is written "Jesus" in Hebrew language.Jesus disappeared from home at the age of 16 years. He returned at the age of 30 years. He was crucified in 32nd year. From 16th year He was in Himalayas in the association of several sages. He was a good Sanskrit scholar. He studied all the Hindu philosophy and this is the reason why the Christian and Hindu philosophies are almost similar in concepts.Harikrish biblical scholar and spiritual leader.
Harikrish, by most standards convincing 2 billion Christians a Jewish liar and lunatic name Jesus can offer salvation if you just believe in Jesus, would be considered a success. Today we have 2 billion Christians that believe this Jewish liar and lunatic named Jesus is God.
According to John 3:36, "He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him."
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@Harikrish
Guided by the Holy Spirit the first church which is the Roman Catholic Church was built. Today we have 30, 000 denominations of Christians. Most of them are in opposition to the teachings of the Catholic Church which was inspired by the Holy Spirit.Christians say Jesus was without sin and therefore the perfect human sacrifice. But scriptures paint a very different story.Scriptures show Jesus broke all the 10 commandments. These ironies exist in the Bible.The 10 commandments say.1. You shall have no other gods before Me.2. You shall not make idols.3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.4. Remember the Sabbath day, To keep it holy.5. Honour your father and your mother.6. You shall not murder.7. You shall not commit adultery.8. You shall not steal.9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.10. You shall not covet.Jesus broke many of the commandments, If not all!1. You shall have no other gods before Me.Jesus tried to claim he was God.John 10:33 "We are not stoning You for any good work, " said the Jews, "but for blasphemy, Because You, Who are a man, Declare Yourself to be God. "2. You shall not make idols.Jesus made a covenant with a cup.Luke 22:20 In the same way, After supper He took the cup, Saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, Which is poured out for you.3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.Jesus said every word he spoke came from God. Unless God too was as incoherent as Jesus. God in the OT never spoke in parables. His orders were clear and direct.Luke 18:34 But the disciples did not understand any of these things. The meaning was hidden from them, And they did not comprehend what He was saying.4. Remember the Sabbath day, To keep it holy.Jesus broke the sabbath.Pharisees accused Him of breaking the Sabbath (Matthew 12:10; Mark 3:2, John 9:14-16).5. Honour your father and your mother.Jesus tried to destroy the traditional family.Matthew 10:35 For I have come to turn ""a man against his father, A daughter against her mother, A daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law"6. You shall not murder.Jesus murdered the truth.Matthew 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. "Yet he spent his entire ministry condemning the very people he was sent to save.7. You shall not commit adultery.Jesus was unfaithful to God and his disciples. He left them to die even though he was given all authority over heaven and earth.Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.8. You shall not steal.Jesus stole the words of the prophets before him and claimed they pointed to him.Luke 24:27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, He explained to them what was written in all the Scriptures about Himself.Then Jesus took them through the writings of Moses and all the prophets, Explaining from all the Scriptures. . . And Jesus explained to them what was said about himself in all the Scriptures, Beginning with the books of Moses and the writings of all the prophets".9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.Jesus accused God of betraying and forsaking him on the cross.Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, Lema sabachthani? " which means, "My God, My God, Why have you forsaken Me? "10. You shall not covet.Jesus suffered from a messiah complex and coveted the title messiah/Christ/Anointed one.John 17:1 After Jesus said this, He looked toward heaven and prayed:"Father, The hour has come. Glorify your Son, That your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, The only true God, And Jesus Christ, Whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, Glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.Scriptures tell us Jesus was tried, Convicted and crucified for his blasphemous lies and lunacy. . . . By the Romans. But the confusion continues.Christians have waited for 2000 years for Jesus's return as he had promised without any success.Preterists claims Christisns got it wrong, That Jesus returned in 70 AD.Jehovah's Witnesses claim Jesus returned in 1874 or maybe 1914.Others say Jesus could be the next thief who robs your house.Revelation 16:15, Matthew 24:43, 1 Thessalonians 5:2, 1 Thessalonians 5:4, 2 Peter 3:10 ESV - ("Behold, I am coming like a thief in the night! )Harikrish biblical scholar and spiritual leader.
Jesus never said he was good.
Mark 10:18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
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