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@Elliott
No, I hadn’t forgotten that Jesus was a Jew and it was Paul who preached to the gentiles.Regarding the Jews crucifying Jesus, crucifixion was a Roman method of execution, the Jews stoned people to death. From what we now know about Pontius Pilate, he was a cruel and ruthless individual and if Jesus was claiming to be the Messiah he would have had no hesitation in executing him for treason.The reason the Jews didn’t covert to Christianity is that their faith was in Judaism, people’s religious faith tends to be strong and they tend not to change it, that makes them difficult to convert.
Has it not occurred to you Jesus fulfilled at the prophesies in the Old Testament which Judaism follows.
The Old Testament is the Torah, the books of the Prophets and the books of the Writings. Within Judaism this trio is known simply as the Bible, or the Tanakh, an acronym derived from תורה/ Torah (Teaching), נביאים / Nevi’im (Prophets), and כתובים/ Ketuvim (Writings). When the term Old Testament is used, it is often in order to distinguish it from the New Testament, a collection of Christian books and letters that are not part of the Jewish faith.
The Old Testament ended with Malachi 430 years before Jesus’s birth.
But the Old Testament contained prophesies about the coming Messiah promised to the Jews.
Prophecies Christians consider fulfilled by Jesus from the Old Testament. But because the Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah, Christianity was created to account for the fulfillment of OT prophesies.
Daniel 9:24–27
Deuteronomy 18:15
Ezekiel 37:24, 25–27
Hosea 11:1
Isaiah 7:14
2Isaiah 8:14
Isaiah 8:22–9:1 (9:1–2)
Isaiah 9:6,7 (Masoretic 9:5,6)
Isaiah 11:12
Isaiah 28:16
Isaiah 53:5
Jeremiah 31:15
Micah 5:2 (Micah 5:1 in Hebrew)
Psalm 2
Psalm 16
Psalm 22
Psalm 34
Psalm 69
Psalm 110
Samuel 7:14
Wisdom 2:12–20
Zechariah 9:9
Zechariah 12:10
Verses read as Davidic line prophecies
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@Intelligence_06
Religious people: Is it your duty to convince others that your god is real, and if yes, WHY?Honestly, both in DDO and in DART, a clog of debates such as "god exists" has been common enough that upon seeing it makes me snort.Atheists can live their lives without, say, a god, and they would live fine. So would religious people praying to their god every day and living fine.Why do these clashes exist and are as common as they are right now? Why are so many topics of debates and forums centred upon whether god exists or not?Is it perhaps a duty in religion, or in some parts of a religious groups, to convince others that your god is real?
A lesson from History. The Jews were not very successful at convincing its neighbours their Abrahamic God was real.
As a result the Jews were exiled from their homeland by Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Medians, the Greeks, and now under Western rule (Holocaust).
Now compare that to the Romans turning the Roman Catholic Church into a universal religion by convincing its believers Jesus was real. Today there are some 2 billion Christians in the world.
Similarly the Prophet Mohammad convince the Arabs his God was real. Today there are some 1.9 billion Muslims in the world.
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@SkepticalOne
Christian nationalism holds that the US was founded on "Judeo-Christian" principles. "Judeo-Christian" seems nonsensical to begin with (Judaism is Judaism because it rejects Christianity and vice versa). Regardless, principles in the holy texts of Judaism and Christianity are so distinctly different than those embodied in America's founding documents that to suggest a link between them is to grossly misrepresent America.Rather than waste time defending against arguments that might not be used, I leave it to proponents to define "Judeo-Christian principles" and provide arguments. Perhaps, each respondent may limit themselves to one or two of their best arguments, and let's do our best to keep it civil folks!
Judeo-Christian Principles is a combination of Judaism and Christian principle beliefs.
Judaism teaches about a coming Messiah who will liberate the Jews and restore the Davidic Kingdom. The Jews rejected Jesus as the promised Messiah and demanded he be crucified.
Christianity teaches the Messiah Jesus was crucified and will return to restore the same Davidic Kingdom.
So Judeo-Christian is about the restoration of the Davidic Kingdom by Jesus a Jew. It is about the humble expectations Jews and Christians have placed on Jesus.
How big was the Davidic Kingdom? The united kingdom of David and Solomon, described in the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom."
Israel Finkelstein, chairman of the Archaeology Department at Tel Aviv University, with archaeology historian Neil Asher Silberman, has just published a book called "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Text."
"The Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land [of Canaan] in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the twelve tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is the fact that the united kingdom of David and Solomon, described in the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom."
Jerusalem was essentially a cow town, not the glorious capital of an empire. These findings have been accepted by the majority of biblical scholars and archaeologists for years and even decades.
The tales of the patriarchs -- Abraham, Isaac and Joseph among others -- were the first to go when biblical scholars found those passages rife with anachronisms and other inconsistencies. The story of Exodus, one of the most powerful epics of enslavement, courage and liberation in human history, also slipped from history to legend when archaeologists could no longer ignore the lack of corroborating contemporary Egyptian accounts and the absence of evidence of large encampments in the Sinai Peninsula ("the wilderness" where Moses brought the Israelites after leading them through the parted Red Sea).
Finkelstein is an iconoclast. He established his reputation in part by developing a theory about the settlement patterns of the nomadic shepherd tribes who would eventually become the Israelites, bolstering the growing consensus that they were originally indistinguishable from the rest of their neighbors, the Canaanites. This overturns a key element in the Bible: The Old Testament depicts the Israelites as superior outsiders -- descended from Abraham, a Mesopotamian immigrant -- entitled by divine order to invade Canaan and exterminate its unworthy, idolatrous inhabitants.
The famous battle of Jericho, with which the Israelites supposedly launched this campaign of conquest after wandering for decades in the desert, has been likewise debunked: The city of Jericho didn't exist at that time and had no walls to come tumbling down. These assertions are all pretty much accepted by mainstream archaeologists.
Marcus says that Finkelstein is "difficult to dismiss because he's so much an insider in terms of his credentials and background. He's an archaeologist, not a theologian, and he is an Israeli. It's hard to say that someone who was born in Israel and intends to live the rest of his life there is anti-Israeli."
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@Harikrish
Harikrish if Jesus was an atheist, what does it make the Christians who idol worship him?
From the Scriptures and the actions and words of Jesus we can conclude Jesus was an Atheist.Atheist definition: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.Jesus mocked the religious leaders of his time. He called them vipers and scums just like Atheist mocked the believers today.Matthew 23:33 "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?Jesus called his body a temple and drove people out of the real temple of worship.John 2:19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."Matthew 21:12 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.Jesus claimed he had all authority over his alien Kingdom and earth. Yet he stood idly by as the Romans destroyed the holy city and sanctuary.He believed anybody who ate his flesh and drank his blood would have eternal life. Who needs a God if Jewish meat is kosher and gets you eternal life in the hereafter.John 6:54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.Jesus said he was from an alien world.John 8:23 I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.John 18:36 Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place."Jesus was despised like most atheists were during his time. He comforted them.Isaiah 53:3 He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their faces he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.Luke 6:22 Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.Jesus on the cross mocked the God of the Bible.Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").Were those last words of Jesus that motivated the Pope to declare Jesus was a failure of the cross?Pope declared:"And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and not produce fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus Christ and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross."Jesus called God his father throughout his life. By doing this he reduced God to a rapist and the cause of his illegitimate bastard status.He even blamed God for his alcoholism like God willed him to drink the water he turned into alcohol.Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."He was not directing people to God, he was forcing believers to chose between family or him.Matthew 10:34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.35 For I have come to turn ""a man against his father, a daughter against her mother,a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law"36 a man"s enemies will be the members of his own household."[c]37 "Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me.But if Jesus was an atheist as scriptures suggests who went against the religious leaders of his time by denouncing their beliefs. Then why do Christians worship an atheist Jesus?By worshipping the atheist Jesus they believe they are turning him into God by their exhaltation.If the Pope did not remind Christians that Jesus was a failure of the cross we would be swamped by Christians on DDO. But we find DDO is full of happy atheists who take delight in the fact that Jesus was an atheist......Harikrish.
Harikrish, if Jesus was an atheist what does it make the Christians who idol worship him?
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@TheUnderdog
If you believe aliens are just curious to see what happens when certain stimuli is produced, you must believe you are performing for aliens.
If you define performing as just living my life, I could see that.
You performing to alien stimuli is living under alien stimulation.
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Polytheist-Witch:Already busted yourself, dumbass.
The link exposes MISS TRADESECRET.
MISS TRADESECRET RUNAWAY EXCUSE #1: Tradesecret will call you a “bully,” for making her the Bible fool, or for asking questions that she could not answer, even though the questions asked were logically valid and biblically axiomatic!
MISS TRADESECRET RUNAWAY EXCUSE #2: Tradesecret will accuse you of “stalking” her if you repeat more than once why Tradesecret hasn’t addressed your questions in the first place!
MISS TRADESECRET RUNAWAY EXCUSE #3: Tradesecret will use the ruse of “attacking them personally,” by name calling, which has nothing to do with the questions asked to her. Where the irony is she performs this act as well. Can Tradesecret spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E? Sure she can.
MISS TRADESECRET RUNAWAY EXCUSE #4: she will just go “SILENT” to your questions in the hopes that you will forget about the fact that you presented them to her in the first place!
MISS TRADESECRET RUNAWAY EXCUSE #5: she will give you “cutesy” excuses and images to try and take your mind off of the FACT that she is running away again from your valid axiomatic biblical questions! Child-like, but what did we expect. :(
MISS TRADESECRET RUNAWAY EXCUSE #6: Now if you want to make her the continued Bible fool, she “may” answer you if your question or statement to her is “properly presented to her!“ LOL!
MISS TRADESECRET RUNAWAY EXCUSE #7: She will tell you that you are not interpreting the scripture correctly, even though it is LITERAL in nature. She disagrees with the literal presentation of any passage or narrative that embarrasses her, then she will come up with another ungodly "convenient interpretation" of said verse to make you wrong!
MISS TRADESECRET RUNAWAY EXCUSE #8: She will tell you that what you have found regarding her ungodly and despicable nature is because you have "hacked" into her DA account, and changed her posts to disgusting posts to further embarrass her! Priceless runaway tactic.
MISS TRADESECRET EXCUSE #9: She will divert the attention away from her in failing to prove her point by calling you a “creepy old man or a dunce.”
MISS TRADESECRET EXCUSE #10”: She will use the term that you “Distract and Attack” to save her from further embarrassment to her outright Bible stupidity and ignorance that has no bounds!
MISS TRADESECRET EXCUSE #11: She will say that she is not answering personal questions even though she at times presents personal things of hers in her posts, like showing us she is an admitted SEXUAL DEVIANT! https://www.imagebam.com/view/MEBCZRV
MISS TRADESECRET EXCUSE #12: When you challenge her to a debate like I did, she will tell you that you argue like a 12 year old girl or boy and have not matured enough, therefore she will RUN away from debating you, because in essence, she can't debate you in the first place!
MISS TRADESECRET EXCUSE #13: She will tell you that you don’t have a brain and that you are a fake, and you don’t have the background to discuss religion with her.
MISS TRADESECRET EXCUSE #14: She will tell you that you look “dumb” and that you couldn’t really grasp the subject matter, therefore she will RUN AWAY from your posst to her and hide.
MISS TRADESECRET EXCUSE #15: Zeus forbid if you are an Atheist who outright owns her Bible stupidity, because she'll send up a smoke screen to prevent the Atheist from further embarrassing her regarding the Bible, she will call you names and blanket unwarranted claims about your denying any God.
MISS TRADESECRET EXCUSE #16: Her computer tells her that she should not open up webpage links it does not recognize that you have posted to her, therefore releasing her from further biblical embarrassment! LOL!
MISS TRADESECRET EXCUSE #17: If you make a derogatory comment to her it is enough for her to not address your question, BUT, she makes these same remarks to other members, can we say HYPOCRITE, sure we can!
MISS TRADESECRET EXCUSE #18: She will call your posts to her as LIES, therefore there is no need for her to discuss your posts, yes, this is true! Can we call Miss Tradesecret the habitual RUNAWAY? Sure we can!
MISS TRADESECRET EXCUSE #19: She will tell you that your posts are “not worth it” to respond too, in once again showing her outright Bible ignorance to run away from them!
MISS TRADESECRET EXCUSE #20: She will tell you that she doesn’t give a “toss” about your stupid ideas of a post you’ve directed to her, again, in running away from it as usual.
MISS TRADESECRET EXCUSE #21: When she opens a previous link that was directed to her, and after opening it and it showed her that she was wrong in her perceived biblical knowledge, she will tell you that she DID NOT open said post because she could care less in what you proposed! LOL
MISS TRADESECRET EXCUSE #22: She will tell you that you don’t have enough “integrity” to take her time in debating you or answer your questions as a little crybaby!
MISS TRADESECRET EXCUSE #23: If she knows you will easily “own her Bible stupidity,” and allegedly you are using a fake personna, she will not debate you or answer your questions, other than to run away and HIDE from them!
MISS TRADESECRET EXCUSE #24: She will answer questions that she wants to answer, and not other questions that makes her the Bible fool!
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@FLRW
I can see that you are not related to Einstein.
That is how Einstein’s Theory of Relativity explored every related association.
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@FLRW
Still, Einstein felt a deep bond with the Jewish people, one that transcended religion as well as the anti-Semitism that Nazis and their sympathizers leveled against him..Despite his differences with fellow Jews in their practices and beliefs, Gimbel says, Einstein recognized that the relationship he had with Jewish friends was fundamentally different from the one he had with non-Jewish friends. He came to believe that whatever their beliefs, Jews shared common traits.The first trait Einstein identified as common among Jews was an ability to face the world with a sense of awe and joy, whether the Jews in question were rapturous Hasidim or secular physicists.The second trait Einstein identified was a sense of social justice. As he wrote in 1938, “The bond that has united the Jews for thousands of years and that unites them today is, above all, the democratic ideal of social justice coupled with the ideal of mutual aid and tolerance among all men.”I am related to Einstein through the Koch family.
Albert Einstein did not work directly on the atom bomb. But Einstein was the father of the bomb in two important ways: 1) it was his initiative which started U.S. bomb research; 2) it was his equation (E = mc2) which made the atomic bomb theoretically possible.”
So the greatness of his Jewishness was contributing to weapons of mass destruction. He singly managed to undo everything Jesus stood for which was the salvation of humanity.
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@FLRW
Well stated.
You draw a blank when listing what was well stated. Should we take this as a not so subtle insult.
I think Stephen will get it.
Are you saying Stephen is good at picking up on your insults?
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Polytheist-Witch: There's nothing atheists love more than throwing sexual assault and rape at women they don't agree with it. Never ceases to disappoint me that it's the go-to for white male pigs. I'm surprised unlike the other atheists you didn't bring my kids into it. Seems atheism and the site is rather friendly to pedophilia jokes.
Learn the definition of atheist before using it in your post.
Atheist definition: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
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Polytheist-Witch: There's nothing atheists love more than throwing sexual assault and rape at women they don't agree with it. Never ceases to disappoint me that it's the go-to for white male pigs. I'm surprised unlike the other atheists you didn't bring my kids into it. Seems atheism and the site is rather friendly to pedophilia jokes.
According to FLRW “Yes, XXXchurch.com, the #1 Christian porn site is Jesus approved.”
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Polytheist-Witch: The mods know it too and they simply allow him to keep spewing his hatred because you know it's directed at us.
How am I spewing hatred by quoting scriptures? Tradesecret as a preached does it all the time even though he knows Jesus was crucified for what he claimed and preached.
John 10:33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
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@FLRW
The smartest Jew once wrote, "The word 'God' is for me nothing but the expression and product of human weaknesses; the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish,"
That was written by Albert Einstein.
Young Einstein went through an observant phase at 12, even though his parents were secular Ashkenazi German Jews. He didn’t stay interested in Judaism long enough to have a bar mitzvah though.
Germany did not care for his type as the Holocaust proves.
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@FLRW
Does the Bible say if strippers are witches?
You must be following some Christian porn site.
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@FLRW
Well stated.
You draw a blank when listing what was well stated. Should we take this as a not so subtle insult.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
Miss Tradesecret, as a woman shown herewith: https://ibb.co/NFcsLgy that goes directly against Jesus’ words in 1 Timothy 2:12, whereas she is not to teach and in being SILENT towards men!YOUR REVEALING QUOTE ONCE AGAIN: "While I hold no love for witches and I think in our century we have a false view of history and ACTUALLY of what occurred back then. In other words, I think most of the history we talk about now is exaggerated and nonsense."You have to have no love for witches, even in you being a pseudo-christian woman! This is because of the biblical FACT that you are to follow what the inspired words of Jesus state herewith: “A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.” (Leviticus 20:27)."So Saul died for his breach of faith. He broke faith with the Lord in that he did not keep the command of the Lord, and also consulted a medium, seeking guidance. He did not seek guidance from the Lord. Therefore the Lord put him to death and turned the kingdom over to David the son of Jesse." (1 Chronicles 10:13-14)YOUR REWRITE OF THE BIBLE QUOTE: " ... which is that covenantal death is not to be automatically equated with a physical death."The passages above are PHYSICAL DEATHS in nature in stoning, their blood shall be upon them, and where Jesus killed Saul, and not your comical and wishful thinking of your laughable "covenantal deaths" like you proffer to try and cover up Jesus' exact words of killing His creation, is it dear? NO, they are not!Miss Tradesecret, your ungodly presence within this forum is excused for now.NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN WOMAN THAT TRIES IN VAIN TO REWRITE THE SCRIPTURES LIKE MISS TRADESECRET WILL BE ...?
Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Tradesecret is testing the scriptures. BrotherD.Thomas you too are falling short by ignoring her pleas to end her suffering.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
Pope Francis kisses Ukrainian flag as he denounces 'massacre of Bucha’ as shown in the link below:“He told the audience he had received a Ukrainian flag from the “martyred city” of Bucha the day before. The pope then held up a war-stained flag before folding it and kissing it. BUT WAIT! A group of "children" who had fled the war in Ukraine joined him on the podium! “These "children" had to flee and come to a strange land,” Francis said. “This is one of the fruits of war. Let’s not forget them, and let’s not forget the Ukrainian people.”BUT, WHAT WAS NERVE RACKING IS THE FACT THAT THE POPE HAD INNOCENT CHILDREN STANDING WITHIN “TOUCHING DISTANCE” OF HIM AS SHOWN IN THE LINK BELOW:As we should all be aware, the Catholic church still is in the press regarding pedophile priests, and the history going back to the late 1960’s where under Bishop RATzinger, they ungodly hid the fact that their priests were buggering innocent children, and once caught, they were moved to another church and state in the USA in a “hush, hush” manner which is BLASPHEME to Jesus the Christ!At least this Catholic priest is telling the truth about ungodly pedophilia within the Catholic church: https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME971QUHere is the irony of all ironies, as Pope John spills the beans in this link relating to pedophilia in the Catholic church: https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME971FFQUESTION; who wants to be a hell bound Catholic whose church hid pedophile priests, and spent 6 BILLION DOLLARS of their flocks money from collection plates on Sunday mornings to pay over time the reparations to the parents of the buggered kids by smelly old priests, and the ramification of these poor kids needing psychiatric help in the aftermath, raise your hands! :(
Hard to see a Pope who has dedicated his life to Jesus and a leader of over a billion Catholics turn to buggering kids unless it was a part of his calling.
Children are curious skeptics just like Thomas was and the Pope has to follow by example.
Jesus Appears to Thomas
24 Now Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”
But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”
26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
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@Elliott
Jews don’t seek convert people because Judaism is not a missionary faith; the main reason for this is down to their theology which doesn’t necessitate the need to be Jewish in order to enter Heaven. This is from the Talmud:“The righteous of the nations have a share in Olam Ha-Ba (heaven).”This is at odds with the Christian doctrine that only by accepting Jesus as your saviour can you enter the Kingdom of Heaven and the grim alternative, that if you don’t accept Jesus you will suffer internal damnation. Therefore it is the duty of a Christian to go out and convert all non believers to Christianity. It is a teaching that has lead to some of the worst acts of intolerance, not only towards non Christians but towards those Christians whose faith was deemed heretical.
You forget that was Jesus’s original position as a Jew. That his disciple preach only to the Jewish people.
Matthew 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
Matthew 10:23, NIV: When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
But all this changed after Jesus was given all authority over heaven and earth.
The Great Commission
Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
The Jews feel betrayed by their messiah Jesus. But they could only crucify Jesus once.
Christianity can only benefit from Jesus’s return. Should Jesus be crucified on every subsequent return by the Jews. Christianity will see that as another opportunity to renew their vows.
Jesus taught the concept of dead Jews like him could forgive sins and offer salvation to the gentiles. Any wonder the Jews rejected Jesus’s eaching to protect Jews from becoming daily sacrifices.
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@zedvictor4
Witches could just be misdiagnosed mood swings some women go through during their monthly periods.
Because these mood swings are predictable they are define by the hysteria common to this group. Witches/Bitches
For sure, moods alter relative to endocrinal function and processes.And hysteria would certainly be an archaic diagnosis.But try telling that to a militant feminist.Though it could be said that all unruly behaviour is the manifestation of internal processes relative to procreation and survival.Male aggression for instance.
But a broom between a witches legs is sexually taunting to any aggressive male.
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@Stephen
According to Secret Mark Jesus was gay.
So? What's your point, other than if it were proven to be true it would go against everything taught about the "abomination" of homosexuality in the Bible for which "the lord " commands the death sentence? And the word is homosexual, not "gay".I think your link says it all in its very first sentence:'Over the last several centuries, people have made Jesus what they wanted Him to be".
There is certainly no evidence for the Church’s presumption that he was heterosexual. Nothing in the Bible points to him having desires or relationships with women. The possibility of a gay Christ cannot be ruled out (“Was Jesus Gay? Missing…,” 1998).
Peter denied Jesus 3 times and Judas betrayed him. When men or women turn on each other it betrays the intimacy behind the falling out.
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@Stephen
Jesus , it has been agreed by some Christians that Jesus resurrected as flesh and blood man.So a recent question I have posed is- how did Jesus enter the closed and locked room?"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”John 20:19 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+20%3A19-20&version=NIVHow did he do it?
According to the JW Jesus appeared to the disciples in the spirit and not in flesh and blood.
Do you actually read the threads that you comment on?
Regardless of what JW , you or the reverend Tradsecret have to say, Jesus makes it quite plain that he returned the same way he went, as a flesh and blood fully grown human with wounded flesh .
Stephen wrote: #29Jesus said"36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Luke 24:36- 39
So I am right, Jesus appeared before the disciples as a spirit.
Luke 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luke 4:Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about him spread through the whole countryside.
After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh or Spirit?
The Bible’s answer
The Bible says that Jesus “was put to death in the flesh but made alive [resurrected] in the spirit.”—1 Peter 3:18; Acts 13:34; 1 Corinthians 15:45; 2 Corinthians 5:16.
Jesus’ own words showed that he would not be resurrected with his flesh-and-blood body. He said that he would give his “flesh in behalf of the life of the world,” as a ransom for mankind. (John 6:51; Matthew 20:28) If he had taken back his flesh when he was resurrected, he would have canceled that ransom sacrifice. This could not have happened, though, for the Bible says that he sacrificed his flesh and blood “once for all time.”—Hebrews 9:11, 12.
If Jesus was raised up with a spirit body, how could his disciples see him?
Spirit creatures can take on human form. For example, angels who did this in the past even ate and drank with humans. (Genesis 18:1-8; 19:1-3) However, they still were spirit creatures and could leave the physical realm.—Judges 13:15-21.
After his resurrection, Jesus also assumed human form temporarily, just as angels had previously done. As a spirit creature, though, he was able to appear and disappear suddenly. (Luke 24:31; John 20:19, 26) The fleshly bodies that he materialized were not identical from one appearance to the next. Thus, even Jesus’ close friends recognized him only by what he said or did.—Luke 24:30, 31, 35; John 20:14-16; 21:6, 7.
When Jesus appeared to the apostle Thomas, he took on a body with wound marks. He did this to bolster Thomas’ faith, since Thomas doubted that Jesus had been raised up.—John 20:24-29.
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@Tradesecret
The Christian understanding of God is that God is ONE. He is Trinity. ONE God, yet THREE persons. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
The Christian view is Jesus is not God the Father. They are separate persons. Hence most of your arguments are actually "arguments of straw".
Jesus said he too had a father and a God.
John 20:17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
Furthermore, I have explained to you before that Jesus NEVER blamed God for his crucifixion. In fact the Crucifixion was planned before the beginning of the world and the THREE persons of the TRINITY were in agreement with it.
Jesus lamented on the cross God had betrayed and forsaken him just as he had done to David.
Matthew 37:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).
Also we know that Jesus knows the Scriptures.
Jesus was mostly clueless. When asked when he would return what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” He could not answer.
Matthew 24:3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
Matthew 24:36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Only God knew and Jesus admitted he was not God.
clearly - at least in my view - illustrates he knows he is an instrument of prophecy - and is expressly declaring that even as he died on the cross.
Matthew 37:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).
Jesus was not an instrument of prophecy. Jesus was expressly declaring God had betrayed and forsaken him on the cross
jesus even denied he was heir to the Davidic kingdom.
John 18:36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
Jesus never claimed he was God. He said he was sent by God to save the Jews. But we know that failed. Jesus said he would return 2000 years ago. But that never happened.
During his life on earth Jesus was called a liar and a lunatic.
1. Liar.
John 10:33 "We are not stoning You for any good work," said the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God."
2. Lunatic.0
Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, "He is out of His mind."
John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him?"
3. They demanded Jesus be crucified.
Luke 23:21 but they kept shouting, "Crucify Him! Crucify Him!"
4. The Romans crucified Jesus.
John 19:23 When they crucified him, the Roman soldiers took his clothes and divided them up four ways, to each soldier a fourth. But his robe was seamless, a single piece of weaving ...
5. Even Jesus blamed God for forsaking him on the cross.
Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?"
6. Jesus's call to his disciples failed too. No one followed Jesus or joined him in his crucifixion. Therefore no one was saved or worthy of Jesus.
Matthew 10:38 and anyone who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me.
7. His discipiles all tried to save their own lives and did not want to lose it for Jesus.
Luke 17:33 Whoever tries to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life will preserve it.
8. The one time offer for salvation ended with Jesus. Jesus has not returned to make a similar offer to future generations. But God has sent another prophet Mohammad in his place.
9. Jesus spoke to his generation. Repeating his words does not carry the same promise. His promise ended on the cross.
Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?"
10. Even the Pope declared the cross was a failure of God.
Pope Francis said during his whirlwind U.S. tour. "And if at times OUR EFFORTS AND WORKS SEEM TO FAIL AND PRODUCE NO FRUIT, we need to REMEMBER that WE ARE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS ... and His LIFE! humanly speaking, ENDED IN FAILURE, THE FAILURE OF THE CROSS"
When you don"t understand something, when desperation hits you then look at the CROSS. THAT IS THE GREAT FAILURE OF GOD, THAT IS THE DESTRUCTION OF GOD, AND IT'S A CHALLENGE TO OUR FAITH
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@zedvictor4
For sure.Witchery is just madey up shit, like all the other madey up shit.And the crowds used to love the pseudo erotic frisson of a good burning.Westerners pretend not to be interested in that sort of stuff these days.But certain people away out East somewhere, still get a buzz from a good public execution.
Witches could just misdiagnosed mood swings some women go through during their monthly periods.
Because these mood swings are predictable they are define by the hysteria common to this group.
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Whites are the actual Jews
Ashkenazic Jews are the Jews of France, Germany, and Eastern Europe and their descendants. The adjective "Ashkenazic" and corresponding nouns, Ashkenazi (singular) and Ashkenazim (plural) are derived from the Hebrew word "Ashkenaz," which is used to refer to Germany. Most American Jews today are Ashkenazim, descended from Jews who emigrated from Germany and Eastern Europe from the mid 1800s to the early 1900s. The pages in this site are written from the Ashkenazic Jewish perspective.
Today Ashkenazim constitute more than 80 percent of all the Jews in the world, vastly outnumbering Sephardic Jews. In the early 21st century, Ashkenazic Jews numbered about 11 million. In Israel the numbers of Ashkenazim and Sephardim are roughly equal, and the chief rabbinate has both an Ashkenazic and a Sephardic chief rabbi on equal footing. All Reform and Conservative Jewish congregations belong to the Ashkenazic tradition.
So the majority of Jews today are descendants of European women converting to Judaism.
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@Stephen
According to Secret Mark Jesus was gay.
See link.
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@Stephen
Jesus , it has been agreed by some Christians that Jesus resurrected as flesh and blood man.So a recent question I have posed is- how did Jesus enter the closed and locked room?"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”John 20:19 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+20%3A19-20&version=NIVHow did he do it?
According to the JW Jesus appeared to the disciples in the spirit and not in flesh and blood.
So a locked door or a sealed tomb would not be a problem for a spirit.
Thomas even confirm Jesus appeared as a Ghost/Spirit. He still has the cuts and flesh sounds where he was pierced with nails and a spear. But he was not bleeding.
Jesus Appears to Thomas
John 20:24 Now Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”
But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”
26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
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@Tradesecret
No one makes Jesus God. Jesus is and always has been God. He is the Son from eternity.
Christians quote verse from the Bible that suggests Jesus is God even though Jesus never said he was God.
1. John 10:30, "I and the Father are one."
There are those who declare that God the Father and Jesus Christ, are the same person. They contend that Jesus is merely a manifestation or development or role of the Father. The Bible, however, says that the Father and Jesus are distinct from each other. They are not the same person. There are several ways in which the Bible illustrates this truth.
1. The Father Sent The Son
Another distinction we have between the Father and the Son is that the Father is the sender and Jesus, the Son, is the one sent.
Jesus said that it was God the Father who sent Him into the world.
"My food," said Jesus, "is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work" (John 4:34).
He emphasized it again
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me (John 5:30).
Jesus made it clear the Father had set Him apart and sent Him into the world.
What about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, `I am God's Son'? (John 10:36).
Jesus said that His words came from the Father.
For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it (John 12:49)
The Apostle Paul also testified that the Father sent the Son into the world:
But when the fulness of the time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law (Galatians 4:4).
2. The Father Testified To The Son
The Bible speaks of the Father testifying of the Son:
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. There is another who bears witness of me, and I know that the witness which he witnesses of me is true . . . And the Father himself, who sent me, has testified of me (John 5:31,32,37).
In this passage, Jesus is speaking to the religious leaders. He says that He is not the only one who is testifying concerning Himself. Jesus mentions the testimony of John the Baptist and the testimony of God the Father. Jesus contrasts His testimony from that of the Father showing that they are two distinct persons. The Father provides additional testimony to the character of Jesus.
3. Jesus Prayed To The Father
The two divine persons-God the Father and God the Son-exist eternally and distinctly in an interpersonal relationship. For example, in the Garden of Gethsemane Jesus did not pray to Himself, but to the Father. In Jesus' prayer to God the Father, the clear distinction is made between the two of them. He prayed.
I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in me through their word; that they may all be one; even as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. "The glory which you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as we are one; I in them and you in me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that you sent me, and loved them, even as you have loved me (John 17:20-23).
4. There Was Mutual Knowledge And Love Between The Father And The Son
Scripture speaks of the mutual knowledge and love that God the Father and God the Son have for one another. Jesus said.
All things have been handed over to me by my Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal him (Matthew 11:27).
Jesus also said.
The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand (John 3:35).
5. Jesus Did The Father's Will
Jesus did the will of the Father not His own will.
Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father?' "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own initiative, but the Father abiding in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves (John 14:8-11).
Jesus did not say He was the Father but rather He was the one who perfectly represented the Father. However Jesus testified that God the Father was with Him in a mystical way.
6. No One Can Get To God The Father Except Through Jesus The Son
Jesus told people to believe in Him.
Do not let your hearts be troubled. Believe in God, believe also in me (John 14:1).
The Bible also makes it clear that one cannot know God the Father apart from Jesus
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through me. If you had known me, you would have known my Father also; from now on you know him, and have seen him" (John 14:6).
Paul wrote.
For there is one God; there is also one mediator between God and humankind, Christ Jesus, himself human (1 Timothy 2:5).
Summary
It is the teaching of Scripture that God the Father is a distinct person from Jesus Christ, God the Son. This is demonstrated in a number of ways. The Father sent Jesus the Son to earth. The Father also gave a testimony to the Son. We find that Jesus, the Son, prayed to the Father There is also mutual love and knowledge between God the Father and Jesus the Son. Jesus, the Son, always did the Father's will not His own will. One cannot know God the Father without knowledge of Jesus the Son. These truths make it clear that the Father and Son are two distinct Persons.
2. John 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am."
According to the Bible there were many before Abraham. Adam to Noah.
3. John 10:33 33 The Jews answered him, "It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God."
The people were not impressed with Jesus's miracles and found him to be a blasphemous liar and a lunatic.
4. John 1: 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
That is John speaking about Jesus. Those are not the words of Jesus. Many things were said about Jesus like he was a madman, demon possessed.
Mark 3:21 When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind."
John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and raving mad. Why listen to him?" - ...
We know the people rejected Jesus and the Romans crucified him. This would not have happened if Jesus was God. No one would have dared to mock, beat, ridicule and crucify God who is the supreme power.
The people of Jesus's time knew the power of God.
1. God sent the plagues to Egypt.
2. God destroyed the world with a flood.
3. God destroyed the Canaanites, Ammonites and Moabites.
Jesus on the cross even blamed God for his failures.
Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").
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@Lit
Christianity teaches that Jesus came when the fullness of time had come. What made the days of Jesus most suitable for his advent?
Remember Jesus was a jew. Jews were not known for using or applying astrology to pick the most appropriate time that aligned with the planets.
The Magi Visit the Messiah
Matthew 2:1 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi[a] from the east came to Jerusalem 2 and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”
King Herod was shocked it took Magi from the east to apply astrology to determine the time and place of Jesus’s birth.
Jesus therefore did not know when was an appropriate time to come.
Jesus picked a bad time because Israel was under Roman occupation.
The Jews were desperate for a messiah to deliver them from the Roman occupation.
This might explain why Jesus’s ministry only lasted 3 years. The Jews ran out of patience when Jesus allowed the Roman’s to beat and ridicule him. That was not the messiah they were promised.
This might also be the reason Jesus did not commit to a return date. His knowledge of astrology never improve during his first visit.
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@Tradesecret
When will Jesus return?
Same questions asked by the disciples in Matthew 24.
Matthew 24:3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
It depends how you interpret the term "coming"?The Lord comes - or is coming is an OT reference to judgment. Not necessarily to a literal appearance or return.Many passages in the OT and the NT refer to the Lord's coming - in judgment and there are many other passages that refer to the return of the Lord Jesus.The two are not necessarily the same thing. And when the two are conflated - then things get messy.The same as when people talk of the last days or the latter days or the last Day.What particular day are they are talking of - in relation to what particular event or covenant?I suggest that Jesus' judgment - his coming occurred in AD 70 - at the destruction of Jerusalem. But I would not relate that to his second coming - which is talking about his return to collect his bride.The covenant between Israel and God - came to an end definitely at AD 70. It started to end at Jesus' death. Between Jesus' death and the destruction of Jerusalem is approximately 40 years - one generation. This is what Jesus referred to in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 22. Jesus came - in judgment at Jerusalem within that generation - just as he predicted.It was not a literal coming - it was a judgment coming - and is similar to nature to every time the Lord came in the OT with many judgments over many nations including Israel.I think his second return however will not occur yet. I think he is going to return to collect his bride. The church. When she is fully grown up and mature - and ready to be a wife. At the moment the church acts like a petulant child or teenager. She doesn't know whether she is Arthur or Martha. She is all over the place - like a scatty teenager in puberty. Not yet ready to meet her Lord and Husband.
Jesus makes it clear why he will return the second time.
John 14:2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”
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@Greyparrot
Throne of God.Does this imply God has a butt?
It implies God used a toilet and even showed his glorified backside to Moses.
Exodus 33:18 Then Moses said, “Now show me your glory.”19 And the Lord said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the Lord, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 20 But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”
21 Then the Lord said, “There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. 22 When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.”
21 Then the Lord said, “There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. 22 When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.”
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Polytheist-Witch: I don't know, why are you a spam posting anti semite?
Polytheist-Witch: Why are you blocking Shila but yet responding the my posts?
Jews on a Christian forum are the ones out to discredit Christianity.
Ancient Jews never contributed anything to science, Medicine, mathematics or even astrology. The wise men (Magi) were from the east that identified Jesus. “Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.”
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@Elliott
I’m not sure of the point you are making regarding the Jews difficult interpretation of the Old Testament because it was written in Hebrew, as that was and still is the language of the Jewish people and they wrote the Old Testament.
Biblical Hebrew was the spoken language of the Jews for over 1,000 years. But when the Romans destroyed the second Jewish Temple in 70 CE, Hebrew began to die out. It was essentially completely dead 65 years later in 135, after the failure of the Bar Kokhba Revolt, when Roman emperor Hadrian expelled, enslaved, or killed most of Israel’s remaining Jews — the final native Hebrew speakers. The remaining Jews left in the Land of Israel continued using Hebrew in the study of the Torah, but they only used it as a written language.
So not only did the Jews kill their messiah Jesus. They allowed the Romans to destroy their temple and language
I think the reason for the high number of Christians is that Christianity actively seeks converts and has often taken harsh measures against those who were unwilling to convert. Judaism on the other hand does not seek out converts.
Hard for Jews to seek converts to Judaism when they rejected Jesus and suffered antisemitism for over 3000 years.
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Yes you are.
Polytheist-Witch: Why are you blocking Shila but yet responding the my posts?
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@Stephen
And like I have pointed out above already: #44 Muslims may have a case when pointing to the Old Testamant, which is nothing more than a book of war and conquest as is the Quran.
And I gave the valid reason Muslims point to the Old Testament.
FM! Is that all you are good for is repetitive posting causing others to remind you what they too have ALREADY said. I have more or less agreed with your comment you clown.😂😂
There are more than one member following my posts and arguments. Some of what I do are for their benefit. It is designed to encourage a larger participation.
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@SkepticalOne
I back my arguments with scriptural evidence. We have the evidence why not use it?
Your claim was that virgin births are rare because of contraceptives, anal sex, and homosexuality. Substantiatiation is not found for this claim in the Bible or anywhere else.
The Bible is clear Mary was a virgin and was not on any birth control pills or contraceptives.
It is only after women heard virgin births are possible as is salvation through Jesus that virgins seeing the fate of Jesus a suffering saviour that virgin birth control became a choice. Other methods and options developed with time.
They all worked to stop Jesus returning as he promised in his preferred method of virgin birth conception.
White Christian men are seeking to abolish all forms of virgin birth controls including sex to improve the odds of Jesus returning.
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@Pendragon524
I am about ten days out from the closing of the voting period for my debate on God's existence - "There is no God." If you have time to read through it and vote on it, that would be much appreciated!
You have been quite successful attacking the God of Intelligence_06’s creation outside of the Bible.
Even when Christian agree about God they identify their beliefs spread over 30,000 Christian denominations.
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Polytheist-Witch: Atheists forums are mainly about God and the lack of evidence for God.
But theists forums are more about contradictions in the Bible and the Jewish Covenant with God.
Where does that leave the Gentiles?
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Polytheist-Witch: So am I. I don't worship gods I think are shitty personalities.
Why do you things gods are shitty personalities?
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@Elliott
To be fair the Gospel teachings of Jesus are mostly benign but Christians will also reference the Old Testament to reinforce their doctrines, these are not always so benign.2 Chronicles 15:12-1312 And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, 13 but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.Exodus 22:1818 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
The Jews were given the difficult burden to interpret God’s word in the Old Testament. The Old Testament was in Hebrew. Thus might explain why the Old Testament did not help or work for the Jews. They kept getting it wrong and earning the wrath of God.
It did not help Jesus either when he quoted from 24 Old Testament books.
But the New Testament and the Gospels was written in Greek which was less ambiguous which is why we have 2 billion Christians today but only a fraction or 14 million Judaism followers.
Here we see prophets were treated as witches.
Deuteronomy 18:20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.”
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@Benjamin
Some christians love to use the Bible to condemn the LGBT community. There are people who think that gay people are worse than everyone else - despite mainstream theology stating that all humans are born sinners by default. Apart from the logical fallacies at play, the behavior born from these views are outright unethical. The result of Christian demonization is often unjustifiable social sanctions, hate and stigma leading to depression and suicide among gays and others.
Christians should not condemn gay people because the more gays we have the more women will end up as virgins not having enough sex to go around.
With more virgins around will only facilitate the return of Jesus whose preferred method of conception is virgin birth.
But the Bible does discourage men trying to get men pregnant.
Lev 18:22 “’Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable
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@Tradesecret
Islam does not irk me. I just happen to think it is wrong and dangerous and unhelpful for those who want truth and salvation. Islam in that sense is a religion that denies the deity of Christ. It denies his resurrection. It denies the Trinity. Each of which are clearly expressed in the Bible.
The Jews of his time rejected Jesus and demanded Jesus be crucified.
Luke 23:21 But they kept shouting, “Crucify him! Crucify him!”
Peter denied Jesus 3 times and Judas even betrayed Jesus.
Jesus prayed for the safety of his disciples.
John 17:15 My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.
But we know they were all eventually killed.
What good was the resurrection?
The Romans went on to destroy theHoly Temple, destroy Jerusalem and slaughter the Jews the very people Jesus was sent to save.
Matthew 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
All this happened after the resurrection and after Jesus claimed he was given all authority over heaven and earth.
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
The only mention of the trinity or threesome is in Luke 1.
Luke 1:34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called[b] the Son of God.
35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called[b] the Son of God.
The Holy Spirit came on Mary, God overpowered Mary. And Mary was the only virgin in the room. The trinity was a threesome gang rape which produced Jesus.
Muslims do not accept the virgin birth of Jesus. They cannot justify gang rape of a virgin.
Muslims do not accept the resurrection of Jesus.
Because Jesus would never have allowed the Romans to slaughter the Jews the very people he was sent to save.
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@Lunar108
Why hasn't a "god" ever healed an amputee?I've just copied this question from facebook and I'm just asking for help here .
Jesus preached self amputation and the justification for it. So it would be a contradiction to heal amputees after they followed his commandment.
Matthew 5:30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
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@Stephen
And like I have pointed out above already: #44 Muslims may have a case when pointing to the Old Testamant, which is nothing more than a book of war and conquest as is the Quran.
And I gave the valid reason Muslims point to the Old Testament.
Muslims have a valid reason for claiming the Abrahamic covenant and promise.
Ishmael was a son of Abraham, born of Sarah’s maidservant Hagar in an attempt to bring into the world the son God had promised to Abraham and Sarah. Later, Isaac was born to Abraham and Sarah, and Hagar and Ishmael were driven away because of Ishmael’s attitude toward Isaac (Genesis 21:9–10, 14). But God still had plans for Ishmael.
God promised Hagar that Ishmael, as a son of Abraham, would become a great nation (Genesis 21:17–18). The fulfillment is recorded in Genesis 25:12–18—Ishmael had twelve sons who became great rulers and eventually a nation of people. That came about in this way: Hagar, who was Egyptian herself, found a wife from Egypt for her son, and Ishmael settled in the desert of Paran (Genesis 21:21). Ishmael’s descendants “settled in the area from Havilah to Shur, near the border of Egypt as you go toward Ashur” (Genesis 25:18). The Bible lists Ishmael’s sons as Nebaioth, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, Mishma, Dumah, Massa, Hadad, Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah (verses 13–15).
So it was Ishmael that became a great nation even as Isaac flounder and the Abrahamic Covenant transferred from the Jews to the Muslims.
Matthew 21:43 I tell you, the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a nation that will produce the proper fruit.
Fulfillment of the Abrahamic promise.
A simple comparison of covenant transfer.
Arabs own land 650 times the size of Israel.
Arabs own 2/3 of the worlds oil reserves.
Muslim population 1.9 billion.Jews total only 14 million.
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🤣🤣🤣 Morons.
witchcraft are mostly associated with witches.
Witches are mostly women.
Witch hunt mostly target witches.
Witches are mostly women.
Calling witches Morons would hardly justify burning them.
😂😂😂😂
A cartoonish response still isn’t justification for burning witches.
🤣😂🤣 it gets stupider each response.
You are being too self critical Polytheist-Witch. They are just the same dumb cartoons.
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@Elliott
Christianity maintains its authority because that authority is a God who is supposedly infallible; this makes it a useful political tool and one that gives it an advantage over secular authoritarian regimes, as you can’t question an infallible authority. All you need do is find a passage in the Bible that can be interpreted in such a way that it supports your agenda and then claim that it is God’s will and as your audience consists mainly of authoritarian followers they will submit to whatever you want under the belief that their God requires it.
So you agree the passages I quote supports my arguments.
Jesus too quoted from 24 different Old Testament books.
Matthew 4:19 Then He said to them, “Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men.”
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@Stephen
You are being disingenuous.Stop trying to make out that these two so called saints had established a full fledged established "church" with a congregation made up off the masses in Rome, they didn't.They may well have founded a underground 'movement' which went against Rome. The persecution of Christians was rife at the time these two lived and Rome was still at war with the Jews. Jerusalem hadn't even fell at the time c 63-64 bc. Rome had it own gods and no way were they ready to add another "god" to their own established pantheon , especially a Jew god .
According to Irenaeus, a 2nd-century Church Father, the church at Rome was founded directly by the apostles Peter and Paul.
So an apologist writing about 150 years after these two had been executed means exactly what? Like I have already said, these two may well have "founded" an underground early Christian movement in Rome and they, or others later, called it a "church. But it was not the established organisation that you are attempting to make it out to have been ..... Christians /Christianity wasn't accepted by Rome until the Battle of the Milvian Bridge c312. Which to my mind makes 248 years AFTER Paul & Peter were executed for crimes against Rome.
The church was established in Rome. the church at Rome was founded directly by the apostles Peter and Paul.
Over time, the Christian church and faith grew more organized. In 313 AD, the Emperor Constantine issued the Edict of Milan, which accepted Christianity: 10 years later, it had become the official religion of the Roman Empire.
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@rosends
Today (outside of Jerusalem) is the holiday of Purim. We celebrate the events retold in the Scroll of Esther and the miraculous saving of the Jewish population of Persia/Medea from the machinations of our enemies.Freedom from oppression and the concern that there are those who collude to destroy us are still current concerns so we remind ourselves that faith, combined with action is the path we must follow.Wishing happiness and peace to all.
Christians celebrate Passover which is a Jewish holiday.
Both Jews and Christians celebrate the crucifixion of Jesus who was crucified during Passover.
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@Yassine
! I love destroying opponents. However, I wanna try something different instead.
Muslims wanting to destroy their opponents is hardly new or radical.
Now Muslims trying something different instead might be one for the record.
Is it because Islam is reaching equality with Christianity in numbers, so slitting the throats of infidels is less necessary?
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@rosends
Someone did try to call Jews out for the same thing and I said that it was not the case. I was told that, despite my being Jewish and in a position to be informed about these things, I am wrong about my own beliefs. Go figure.
Jews only stoned adulterers. They did not consider Homosexuality adultery.
But Jews are less informed about Jesus or even wrong in their beliefs and reasons for rejecting Jesus. Yes go figure!!
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Polytheist-Witch: What constitutes an organized religion?
Religious tax exemptions!!! If the IRS believe you are running an organized religion they will offer you tax exemptions.
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