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@thett3
But I think people of all stripes feel more comfortable respectfully discussing and debating stuff
And you think Leshwanda was" respectfully discussing and debating"?
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@FLRW
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We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
T. S. Eliot
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One of the difficulties of dealing with biblical scripture is that none of it was written originally in English, so we deal with the blur of meaning by translation, whether done correctly or incorrectly, and innocently, or by intent to deceive.
Aramaic, Hebrew, Koine Greek, Latin and English is a rough approximation of the journey that had to be taken to arrive at an English translation of the Bible. All of these languages use different words, syntax and grammatical structures. Translation from one language to another always results in an inexact interpretation of words, meanings, and context. Even within a single language, words are very inexact, ambiguous and equivocal and they can have multiple meanings or different meanings to different people.
Aramaic, the native language of Jesus and the one he mostly taught in, is a rich, poetic language that utilizes webs of constellated meanings to represent ideas. Jesus "spoke as no man had spoken before", and he spoke as "One who knows". The language He used was polyphonic, poetic, with layered meanings, He used words in profoundly imaginative ways to inspire and initiate, to involve the listener, and to transmit complex ideas through imagery. He taught the truth of the Kingdom mainly in parables, which is an "invitational" form of speech that stimulates the imagination and needs to be completed in the mind and heart of the listener.
Jesus was inviting His listeners to seek the âKingdom withinâ, it is a great tragedy if we try to take words and expressions that were originally meant to resonate on many different levels of meaning, (intellectual, metaphorical, and universal) and translate them into explicit representations of literal material facts. We are bound to "miss the mark", so to speak.
One of the best examples is John 4: 23, 24, both of which, in English [KJV] contain the English word âspirit,â but the two verses in Greek, allegedly the original language, but who can know for sure as no original text has yet been discovered.
Even if we had the original texts, we must recognize that they were translations from Aramaic into Koine Greek that werenât even written down until decades later.
In Greek, v23 says ÏΜΔÏΌαÏÎč [pneumati] and the other, v24 says ÏΜΔÏΌα [pneuma]. Though the words are related, v24 is the root word from which the v23 is derived.
That is assumption rather than fact, and itâs an assumption made retroactively, from a different time and a different culture in a profoundly different language.
V23 interpretation is âin, or by the spiritâ whereas the root in v24 interpretation is the âspirit being a physical breath, or wind, such as saying God is a physical breath or wind.But the more valid interpretation, since the NT has numerous references to a Trinity, where, again, in Greek, these are understood to be three gods: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, unified in purpose, but three distinct beings, the third being a spirit, ÏΜΔÏΌα [pneuma], .which is still physical matter, but refined, as implied by the distinction of John 4: 23, 24.
Nonsense, if you accept that Luke was a convert, then every single word in the NT was written by a Jew, none of which would accept, or write about the Trinity concept.
It is certainly not my intent to contend that what was implicit in His life and was made explicit through theological discourse three hundred years later is not an image of truth; it is only to say that the original intent of passages such as Matthew 28:19 and Matthew 3:16-17 could not have been about the Trinity, it was hundreds of years later that these passages were interpreted that way.
What does âa spirit which is still physical matter, but refinedâ even mean, arenât âspiritâ and âphysical matterâ mutually exclusive terms?
Once again, context is king since no language has the exact lexicon [library of words] Â as another language. Therefore, correct interpretation from one language to another is critical for correct understanding.
We cannot confuse the words and the language with the reality and truth that they attempt to represent symbolically. Language is no more than a very limited symbol of the reality experienced and then expressed, changing in time and place, and meaning different things to different people of different points of view.
That is why Voltaire told us that we should always be highly suspicious of any religion that proclaims the truth to be captured territory.Â
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@LucyStarfire
I think a better question is, "Should you give abandoned cats to a Thai Restaurant".
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@n8nrgim
iran was playing the long game with obama's nuclear deal. it allowed inspectors and limited enrichment for 15 years in exchange for trade and economic and sanction relief. they wouldn't agree to longer than that.
When it comes time to renegotiate, we are negotiating with a country that has peaceful prosperity, they have more to lose.  Iran can never get nukes, if they don't agree is 15 years, we bomb them.Â
what's better, dealing with iran when it's weak or when it's much more economically powerful?
When it's economically powerful there's more to bomb, economic prosperity does have a tendency to make angry people chill out and want to protect their possessions.
you can't always bribe terrorists or bad guys or give them slack and always expect they'll play nice. sometimes force is necessary.Â
Yes, either they come around or force it is, the JCPOA was an agreement to cooperate, and it may have served to diffuse the situation, instead of bombs today, we could have an Iran that has enjoyed the benefits of 15 years of peaceful prosperity to consider when determining if 15 more years is better than bombs.
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@Lemming
It is possible you are right, but I think this because I am uninformed on the deal, or 'why it would supposedly be good.
Check out the chart in this article regarding the number of centrifuges in Iran, look what happened after the Iran Nuclear deal, and then look what happened after Trump cancelled the deal.  He created this situation.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-iran-strikes-jcpoa-nuclear-deal-rcna214131
Many of the restrictions on Iranâs nuclear program "have expiration dates," according to the Council on Foreign Relations, noting for example that centrifuge restrictions would be lifted after 10 years and limits on how much low-enriched uranium Iran can possess after 15 years.
"Some of the dealâs opponents faulted these so-called sunset provisions, saying they would only delay Iran building a bomb while sanctions relief would allow it to underwrite terrorism in the region," the organization said.That doesn't really sound an 'ideal deal for us, (To me)
It was effective, it may not have been effective forever, but the current situation would be a lot better had Trump kept it. Iran is a terrorist threat, that didn't change and it never will, the task at hand is to keep them from getting nukes, the JCPOA was effective in that regard.
Why do we expect them to have any intentions to back away from their 'years of Iran and state-sponsored terrorism - Wikipedia?
Nobody expects that, which is why we can't let them get nukes.
I 'suppose they've continued their nuclear plans 'anyhow, so one can make the argument that it's better to 'try to get along, try to keep an eye on the situation.
Yes, that was the intent of the Nuclear Deal.
Rather than let them continue in secret their own way, and hostile to us without any cooperation.
The JCPOA included international monitoring and verification of Iran's nuclear program by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). Unscheduled inspections and strict monitoring were effective; their nuclear plans only continued in secret after Trump wrecked the deal.
I 'must admit, I 'am leery of US military involvement in Iran,Hard to know which way situations will go sometimes,Though if Trump 'manages a quick end in some way, be a feather in his cap.
Yeah, it would be nice if Iran decides to join hands and sing Kumbaya with everyone, maybe their response to the bombing attack will be to shut down the US terrorist cells, yeah, the terrorist cells will probably join Putin in singing Kumbaya too.
I'm a 'bit doubtful it'll be that easy, but some situations can go a lot of ways.
Yeah, and one of the ways this one can go is really bad. Trump invading California didn't make him look tough, his birthday parade didn't either, but maybe Iran and Putin are both shaking in their boots now, that's probably why Iran's Foreign Minister is in Moscow, learning to harmonize for Kumbaya.
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@Lemming
'Would it have been easier years ago?
It was unnecessary years ago, Obama's nuclear deal with Iran was much more effective without bombs, it would still be unnecessary today, but because Trump was obsessed with undoing anything Obama did, no matter what the consequences, he pulled out of the JCPOA, and now we have another war on out hands.. Â
âWe will measure our success not only by the battles we win but also by the wars that we end - and perhaps most importantly, the wars we never get into.â - Donald Trump inaugural address.
Gaza and Ukraine were the wars he would end. (in 24 hours btw), I think this is one of those wars we were never going to get into,
Trump has betrayed everyone who ever trusted him, his creditors, his wives, his business partners, everyone in his administration, the American people, his base, the only person he ever stayed loyal to was Putin...until now.
Iran's Foreign Minister is in Moscow meeting with Trump, they have said "Wait for our response".
Trump promised to be a "peacemaker and unifier", he promised to make us all safer.
I don't think we should feel safer as we wait for Iran and Russia to respond.
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@Savant
There is no afterlife. When your brain stops working, you are dead.Ok, Ok, yes I think like Stephen Hawking.Stephen Hawking is dead, are you saying your brain has stopped working?Yeah, he kind of walked into that one. Or rolled into, I should say.
Definitely led with his chin.
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@FLRW
There is no afterlife. When your brain stops working, you are dead.Ok, Ok, yes I think like Stephen Hawking.
Stephen Hawking is dead, are you saying your brain has stopped working?
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@ebuc
I think when a person blocks someone it should work in both directions, many users block another user and continue to respond to that user's posts, quite often it increases their engagement with the blocked individual who can't respond.I agree, Fuaxlaw has blocked me for year or more. I figured out to unblock him and made a few posts --in a thread he was posting in-- over the last year, explaining for him out to do it. Never heard from. I dont think I ever tried a direct message to him. I dunno.To best of my knowledge he still makes replies or posts in threads Ive begun, and Ive just presumed he still has me blocked. I dunno.Some people are'nt worth time and effort to attempt fair back and forth with.
Yes, Faux Law has done it to me, so has Ratman, and as I said, Stephen was the worst.
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@Greyparrot
Trumps approval ratings have plunged to the lowest in a century, apparently somebody cares.Yes, it's so low TDS has been cured around the globe as they declare victory.Well done, you earned your rest. It's over.We can finally stop caring now.
No thanks, as long as MAGA suffers from LDS, Liberal Derangement Syndrome, we need to care. I'm sure you guys would just love it if your crime, violence, and hatred would just be unopposed while you tear down our democracy, but no, as long as there are decent, moral, law-abiding people, you will be opposed.
"All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing"Â
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@David
Proposition 4: New featuresWhat new features would you like to have added to the website?
I think when a person blocks someone it should work in both directions, many users block another user and continue to respond to that user's posts, quite often it increases their engagement with the blocked individual who can't respond.
Stephen was the worst, he would block a user, deny that he blocked them, and then focus on harassing that user while claiming their lack of response showed they were afraid, or outmatched, or whatever his inane game was. Â
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@Greyparrot
Anyone remember this, he said it 53 times during the campaign.Remember when last week Trump said he wasn't going to go after farm workers last week and MSNBC called Trump a liar?Then the next week he said he would go after the farm workers and MSNBC called Trump a monster?Nobody cares.
Trumps approval ratings have plunged to the lowest in a century, apparently somebody cares.
Cadet Bone Spurs desperately wants to look tough.
Sending troops to LA only made him look petty.
His Birthday parade only made him look like an idiot.
His inane nonsense at G7 only made him a laughingstock.
Now he thinks a war with Iran will make him look tough.
MAGA has become a bad joke.
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@Double_R
Anyone remember this, he said it 53 times during the campaign.
âBefore I even arrive at the Oval Office, shortly after we all together win the presidency, I will have the horrible war between Russia and Ukraine settled. It will be done within 24 hours.â - Donald Trump
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@Greyparrot
Frankly, I am just tired of the logical arguments.I am really done at the point when immigrants refuse to sing the national anthem in English at a ballgame for any reason.That's a hostile takeover of American culture and I will unapologetically resist that. I get that we stopped enforcing assimilation since the 90's, but that earns a big fuck you when you think you can force your culture on me and force ME to assimilate into your backwards culture. I never asked for that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LdYZiKDIh8
For once I agree with you, anybody who doesn't speak our native language should just get the hell out of my country.
As far as I'm concerned you are all illegal immigrants, anyone who doesn't speak Tsalagi can just go back to wherever you came from,Â
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@WyIted
I liked the title of the thread thinking it's worth discussing. Then I see it's Remy and am disappointed.Â
Turns out he thinks he is funny.
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@Greyparrot
Thatâs what I want to be: a peacemaker and a unifierâNothing screams peace like shooting Antifa in the face with 2000 national guard rubber bullets. Now the whole country can get behind that wall of peace, unified against left wing terrorism. Thatâs the kind of unity you get when lawlessness meets accountability.
We are pure evil and nothing you do can stop us, we will destroy civilization with tolerance and compassion and demolish the purity of the white race with DEI.
Your Aryan race is doomed.
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@Double_R
Anyone remember that? I didn't know the place to find them was in schools, churches or at the Home Depot.
Anyone remember this from his inaugural address?
âMy proudest legacy will be that of a peacemaker andunifier. Thatâs what I want to be: a peacemaker and a unifierâ ..., âWe will be a nation likeno other, full of compassion, courage and exceptionalism. Our power will stopall wars and bring a new spirit of unity to a world that has been angry,violent and totally unpredictable. America will be respected again and admiredagain.â - Donald Trump
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@sadolite
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity,Â
That one's Einstein, and you left off the best part.
"Only two things are infinite:Â the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
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@ultramaximus2
Cleaners.I have mucho respect for this guy
The last sentence is perfect:
"ABC7 News asked Jong to meet for an interview, and he declined because he's working."
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@Greyparrot
LOL, may the Farce be with you.
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@Greyparrot
Democrats Call For Slavery, brag About Having Illegals Work For Low Pay And NO BENEFITS,They're EVIL.
You forgot we kill puppies and kittens and eat babies.
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@Greyparrot
Maybe stop trying to assassinate your president? Stop telling Democrats to assassinate other Democrats for enforcing immigration laws?
Gee, what a surprise, MAGATs think they are entitled to murder their opponents.
And I'm sure Faux Law can show you where that's called for in the Constitution.
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@zedvictor4
Things is sure going downhill y'all.
You just don't understand time zone differences between the US and England, for instance, yesterday when it was 11PM in England, it was late 1930s Germany here.
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@Double_R
So in just the past week Trump has deployed the US military onto US streets, endorsed his administration arresting the governor of California, and said anyone who protests his birthday parade will be met with force, publicly pressured a news organization to fire a journalist for saying mean things about Trump, and arrested a sitting US senator for the crime of asking a question at a press conference.Are we seriously still pretending this isn't everything the left said about Trump during the campaign that you all claimed was just TDS?
They aren't pretending anything, they know they are a fascist authoritarian movement, they don't care, it's what they wanted. Trump staged a deadly insurrection on Jan 6, tried to overthrow our democracy, and they still voted for him, he said he would be a dictator on day one, and they still voted for him, in anger at lawful protests the summer of 2020 he said âCanât you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?â and they still voted for him. He defined Americans, the Federal Government, the Free Press, diversity, and liberals as the "ENEMY", and they still voted for him. He was a twice impeached ex-President, an adjudicated rapist, has 34 felonies, and is a hate mongering demagogue, they didn't vote for him DESPITE those things, they voted for him BECAUSE of those things.
They are hypocrites, the more he suppresses free speech, the more they claim the people they hate suppress free speech, they more they want violence, the more the accuse the hated of wanting violence. Anything that outrages the opposition is good and true, and denial, hypocrisy, lies, and conspiracies are seen as ways of doing that. Anything the opposition says is TDS, or fake news, or witch hunt, or conspiracy, or politically motivated, etc. It's not about politics, it's not about policy, it's a culture war, it's about hatred plain and simple.
This is just who these people are, morally corrupt, politically and economically stupid, angry and hateful, and Trump loves them because they are too "poorly educated" to realize what they are doing. They know full well that they are at war with Americans and their government, and anything goes in war. They will see violence as the fulfillment of their goals.
Recognize that this is simply who they are, they aren't pretending, it really doesn't matter how they respond to questions like yours, it isn't in their interest to admit they a fascist authoritarian movement, but they know what they are. Â
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@LucyStarfire
I had severe autism before
Before, then you got better?
Those autism pills really work great.
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@RemyBrown
Desperate for attention and nobody cares.Not really; I just like making people laugh. To prove that I'm not desperate for attention and merely trying to be funny, I will quit this site for 1 week after I check my streaks.
We don't care.
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@Double_R
Anyone remember that? I didn't know the place to find them was in schools, churches or at the Home Depot.
Best place to look is the Oval Office.
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@RemyBrown
If me joking about black people and other ethnicities makes me a racist, then I'm a racist and I don't care.
You're a racist and we don't care either.
Desperate for attention and nobody cares.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Some people's thinking is hopelessly crippled by an inability or unwillingness to understand categorical logic, instead substituting a constant misuse of generalizations with no scope or connection.The result is a abstraction structure that is limited in scope and far too small to describe the world accurately.I would compare it to the difference between a chimpanzee and a human being (at his peak). The chimp has good memory, creativity, self-awareness, but what he does not have is the capacity to layer abstractions.Remy is somewhere between a chimp and a properly functioning human mind.
If you are saying RemyBrown is a chimpanzee, that is extremely offensive.
You owe chimpanzees an apology.
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@Greyparrot
Dude, pro tv wrestling isn't real, and neither is this.
Don't tell me, let me guess, it's a conspiracy, fake news, and cover-up.
Musk lost $34 billion, Trump lost $1.1 billion, it's a very expensive "pretend" fight.
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@Greyparrot
Dude, pro tv wrestling isn't real, and neither is this.
Don't tell me, let me guess, it's a conspiracy, fake news, cover-up.
Musk lost $34 billion, Trump lost $1.1 billion, it's a very expensive pretend fight.
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Fellinu died 30 years ago. Woke, much?
Non-sequitur much?
Woke is dead, too, but actually, never living, just rock-unconscious. Â aka , basic matter from which chaos becomes ordered, per the Architect: "Let there be..."
Coherent much?
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@RemyBrown
He was not in my White American mind (not against the other minds, even if they're undocumented, but my personal mind is White, American, Male, Straight leaning, Black sized dick, Asian sized brain, Hispanic style Bilingual abilities, White style Ambition, Jewish style Chrisma, Native style wisdom, I have the voice like I live in Manhattan and the pushup abilities like I'm from a military camp in rural TX, the investing policy of a guy from Greenwich, and Suburban).I'm the perfect American!
You forgot champion MMA fighter and astronaut.
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@FLRW
Is taxation theft of your moolah?  Obviously!
Is driving on highways trespassing?
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@WyIted
LOL, no wonder Trump said he loves the poorly educated.
MAGA people are against science, they are against education, and they are against experience, they are against qualifications. They sit in their menial jobs, pumping out septic tanks and handing out burgers with a âyou want fries with thatâ, and the whole time they are thinking, I could run a company, I could head up a major organization.Â
Anybody with any management or organizational experience knows the importance of qualifications and experience, but the MAGA crowd, sitting at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder, doing the jobs nobody wants, resent those with education, resent those with management experience, resent those who are qualified to do more. I mean, why do you need those things when you have conspiracy theories, why not just have felons run everything, I mean, if they can execute Biden and a fucking robot can run the country, then why do you need to be qualified, educated, or experienced for any job?
Tariffs will make us all rich anyway. you sure donât know need science, education, qualifications, or experience, we can just sit back and wait for China to send us money, and once we are all rich off tariffs, we can grab a womanâs pussy without asking. Â
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@FLRW
Well, in his numerous appearances on âThe Howard Stern Show,â Trump frequently ranked women on a scale of 1 to 10 and discussed everything from oral sex to anal sex to whether he could get an erection for certain famous women.
Didn't he tell Howard that his daughter Ivanka was one of the famous women that gave him a woody? Â
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@ADreamOfLiberty
He's a citizen...This is truly clown world.I thought we had reached peak clown world; but no...
I think we must logically conclude that we are trapped in a Fellini movie.
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Last week Trump retweeted a theory that Joe Biden was executed in 2020 and replaced with a robot.Which presidential top secret briefing that Trump was privy to and you weren't that he used to come to this conclusion do you disagree with?
Are you talking about Trump's top-secret trips to Epstein Island?
Also what makes Gardner's inherently inferior people and unable to have high IQs to be best positioned to do great things for that administrationÂ
I don't speak dumbass, so you tell me, does your trailer park logic say planting bushes prepares you to be in charge on Homeland Security? Â
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@FLRW
Musk called for Trump's impeachment.
Bannon called for Musk's deportation LOL.
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Twenty-two years old, his prior work experience:Â he was a gardener, and he worked at a grocery store, he also spent some time as an intern at the Heritage Foundation, so he's got the Project 2025 playbook to guide him.
Last week Trump retweeted a theory that Joe Biden was executed in 2020 and replaced with a robot.
This just keeps getting more insane, we greet each day with morbid curiosity.
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Turns out Musk did not buy the Presidency after all; he only rented it.
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Whatever helps you sleep at night.God knows I am Christian in heart. That is all that matters.
Use it, abuse it, it's all you.
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Damn, you think you judging me sends you to hell and judged me anyway.
LOL, you are such a phony, you are no Christian, you only use Christianity to elevate yourself and condemn others, it all about you, you are a clueless pretend Christian. Â
Instead of using the bible to bask people with it, you should try reading it, it's a Good Book.
By the way, if you do read it, you will be surprised to find it's not about you, it's about a guy named Jesus.
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Romans 2:1-2Â
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man,whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thoucondemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we aresure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commitsuch things.
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Luke 6:42
How can you say to your brother, âBrother, let me take the speck out of your eye,â when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
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@Barney
I can't understand how you could see him as mentally well enough to do that.I donât believe him to be mentally unwell.There is plenty he and so disagree on, but I donât care about the wellbeing of this site even a quarter as much as he does.
Oh pulease, he doesn't give a shit about this site, he's done nothing but trash it since he came back, and he did nothing but trash it before he left. Wylted kicked his ass in the election, and he's done nothing but throw a hissy fit ever since. Â
He only cares about himself, and he only wants to use the site to elevate himself, an insatiable desire for authoritarian control has nothing whatsoever to do with the "wellbeing" of the site.
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Yes you should already be banned.
If they ban everybody that thinks you are an asshole, there won't be anyone left but you and Barney, and I'm pretty sure Barney is faking it.
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