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Intolerance is the real enemy.
To You Your Religion and To Me Mine (Qur'an 109:6)
Let there be no compulsion in religion. (Qur'an 2:256)
May God bless the Man whosaid those things.
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@ebuc
It's mathematics, it isn't science.What got me consider my Quantum Pulse, --3 overlapping and nucleated hexagons--- within the Quantum Space-time torus, was with variou images like the following, tho keep in mind that, many particles are presumed possible to be entangled.
I’m not questioningQuantum Entanglement, that is an observed feature of reality, valid science.
It’s the concept of “superposition”I’m challenging, like so called “collapse of the wave function”, it is amisconception of the mathematics of quantum theory, none of the things it issaid to explain are better explained differently, it has never been observed,it is not falsifiable, it just isn’t science, and it is not something that canbe said to be true about reality. It isa purely theoretical misinterpretation of the mathematics of wave mechanics, nothing more.
..." Here is where we return to the topic of this article—because quantum entanglement lies at the heart of questions about hidden-variable theory. "....
I’m not necessarily pushing hidden variables either, I will also contend that there is no evidence that determinism is a feature ofreality.
Laplace developed the concept of determinism in athought experiment 200 years ago, since then there has been no actualscientific evidence that reality is deterministic, and a boatload of evidencethat it is not. It has never made any credible advance beyond being an abstracttheoretical “thought experiment”, and by “any credible advance”, I meanevidence, evidence that it is something more than a thought experiment, andthere has been none whatsoever.
Twocenturies ago, what Laplace proposed was, IF reality is completelycircumscribed by Newtonian mechanics (and it isn’t), AND the motion of everyparticle in the universe can in principle be predicted from exact knowledge ofits position, momentum, and the forces acting on it (and it can’t), AND everything occurred within a single,universal reference frame where an absolute Euclidean space and an absolutetime that passes uniformly, AND that as such, time and space are autonomous andindependent aspects of reality (and they aren’t), THEN “theoretically”, allevents, including human action, are ultimately determined by purely physical causessuch that, there is one and only one possible effect for a particular cause orset of causes, (there isn’t).
Every one of these assumptions have been proven wrong for over ahundred years, by both Relativity and Quantum Physics, our two best scientifictheories.
..." When pushed to explain why quantum computers can outspeed classical computers, stories about quantum computing often invoke a mysterious property called “entanglement.” Qubits, the reader is assured, can somehow be quantum mechanically entangled such that they depend on one another. If more detail is needed, the reader is told that entanglement links qubits no matter how far apart they are—so long as the qubits are “coherent.”...1972..." Dr Clauser used duct tape and spare parts to measure quantum entanglement in 1972 by firing hundreds of photons in opposing directions to explore a feature known as polarization.....When he measured the polarizations of photon pairs, he discovered a correlation, demonstrating that a concept known as Bell’s inequality, a theory developed by John Bell, had been broken and that the photon pairs were entangled.....The research affirmed Schrödinger’s claim. Quantum mechanics was the universe’s operating system. "...~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yep, entanglement is well proven scientifically, I think it is safe to say that according to science, reality is non-local. What I’m pushing back on is the concept of “superposition” (and “collapse of thewave function”), both are misrepresentations of mathematical abstractions,rather than science.
i'm imaging a quantum pulse { graviton-darkEon } of any diametric { distance } size. In review, I take note that the first set of nucleated hexagonal numbers only match { entangled so to say } with last hexagon set, that, has only one common number and that is 6. So I ask myself, how can this scenario of mine, be correct?0...1...5p.....3p.....6.....4...2p and this is representative of Fullers concept of off-center { the nucleus see Fullers concepts } >3p...5p..7p....6......9.....8....4..... > more specifically, the nuclei represent tainted { see Fullers concepts } reality >6..7p..11p......9....12...10....8.....> i.e. our occupied space reality is complementary to occupied space Gravity and occupied space Dark Energy and Meta-space mind/intellect/concepts and ego.......1....................5p.......7p....................11p..........13p.....--(0)...............................6...................................(12).................................3p..............................9...................................--...........2p.........4....................8.........10..............................
OK, so now you are back to talking abstract mathematics,very very abstract, I don’t comprehend it enough to know how it applies, or evenwhat it is supposed to apply to.
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@IlDiavolo
Besides, the democrats have leaned to the left in a very radical way
I don't think that common perception is the least bit accurate, a lot of people buy into that propaganda the far right is throwing out there, but I think the left has mostly stayed where it was, it only seems like the left is further left because it's so much farther away from the radicalized right.
So, it would't be surprising if Trump ends up being killed by a lefty. And again, I hope nothing bad happens.
I would like to say I'm above such thinking myself, but the truth is, not a day goes by that I don't hope something bad happens to Trump.
I wish I was a better person than that, but I'd be lying if I said that wasn't the case, hell, when I'm bored, a lot of the time I entertain with thoughts on terrible things happening to Trump.
This is coming from a lifelong Republican, a serious Republican too, George Will was my favorite author, but I left the party when George Will left. Probably why I resent Trump so much is because it was my party that he destroyed. Trump tapped into and exploited a darkness in the Republican Party that I would never have believed was even there, I left my party in horror, and I am as Democrat as they come now.
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@janesix
How are you using the words "exist" and "real"?
What do you mean when you say the world isn't "real", what does that mean?
Only a handful of people "actually exist", what does that even mean?
Exist, real, illusion, I see these words used a lot but I rarely see them used in a way that has meaning.
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Stephen isn't prejudiced, he hates everyone.
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@FLRW
Superposition is the ability of a quantum system to be in multiple states at the same time until it is measured.
Superposition is a mathematical phenomenon, nobody has ever observed a superposition before, ever.
It's mathematics, it isn't science.
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@IlDiavolo
Why would Democrats do that, Trump is the best thing to ever happen to the Democratic Party, he has single handedly destroyed the Republican Party, if anything, liberals will put up a Trump statue.But the last poll is at odds with what you're saying.
The polls said Hillary was going to beat him in 2016 too, Trump's party is not the Republican party, he destroyed the Republican party, and is trying to destroy democracy. Putin thanks him.
I think you need to stay off the conspiracy sites.I have good reasons to believe in these prophecies that have been published way before the advent of the internet.But even so, the prophecy is not clear which is the reason why I'm asking if it's possible the political assasination of Trump. And it's not something new, Tucker Carlson has been saying it for a long time.
With the country as polarized as it is, and with Trump stirring up so much "us/them" hatred, anything can happen, it wouldn't surprise me at all if somebody kills Trump, but I don't think there's a prophecy to that effect, if there was, we'd have seen it all over the place.
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@Lemming
Are there financial costs to running DART?Do you make money by owning DART?'Could you make money owning DART?
You can make a small fortune running Dart, all you have to do is start with a large fortune.
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@IlDiavolo
This may sound like old news, but given the current context in which liberals can't get Trump out of the elections, do you think liberals are capable of doing what the title of this thread says?
Why would Democrats do that, Trump is the best thing to ever happen to the Democratic Party, he has single handedly destroyed the Republican Party, if anything, liberals will put up a Trump statue.
Remember that in the US history there have been several political assasinations, even to a president (JFK), so many people think Trump's time has come. Personally, I think it doesn't make sense because democrats will lose anyway whether Trump is in the election or not. However, there is a renowned prophecy circulating on the internet that speaks of the assasination of an important american politician that the prophecy calls "the orchestra man", so people think Trump is "the orchestra man".
Oh, I didn't realize it's a "renowned" prophecy and it's on the internet, must be true then.
What do you think?
I think you need to stay off the conspiracy sites.
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@Sam_Flynn
Strawman fallacy.Not what I said.Clown.
Methinks the Lady doth protesteth too much.
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@FLRW
Why do you think he wasn't an Atheist when he died?
I think the final authority on the matter would be Einstein himself, he said he was not an atheist, I believe him.
Your basic premise seems to be that atheists are more intelligent than theists, if we can take Einstein's opinion that he was not an atheist as fact, would that mean you think you are more intelligent than Einstein?
If you believe he converted to Atheism at the end of his life, does that mean he got smarter?
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@FLRW
Is it your contention that every time Albert Einstein was asked if he was an atheist, he got it wrong, every time?
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@Sam_Flynn
They are like a half percent of the population,No, they are like 0.6% after the fad took hold. Prior to the proliferation of their insanity, they were less than 0.4% of the population.
OMG, that's what you are afraid of? You think it's contagious?
That is hilarious.
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@FLRW
Atheists are highly intelligent people (Einstein, Hawking), and highly intelligent individuals often have a heightened sense of empathy and compassion.
Einstein was not an Atheist, he was asked many times throughout his life, he always said he was not an atheist, always.
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@Sam_Flynn
If it's not transphobia, then you explain it, why are you obsessed with the genitals of Transexuals?I, like no one else against kowtowing to the mental illness and delusions of grandeur of those claiming to be a sex/gender they are not, are not obsessed with the genitals of anyone. It has nothing to do with their genitals and everything to do with their mental illness. MENTAL. In the head. Gender Dysphoria is a few criterion away from Schizophrenia.
Yeah, you guys are always projecting your characteristics onto others, it's MAGA that is a mental illness, manifested in hatred, hostility, denigration of others, and obsession with Transexual's genitals..
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@Sam_Flynn
If it's not transphobia, then you explain it, why are you obsessed with the genitals of Transexuals?
I mean, I get it that you don't want immigrants poisoning our blood, I understand that you guys think it's important to maintain the purity of the race, but why hate Transexuals too? They are like a half percent of the population, have you ever even met one to hate? If you have met one, did you ask them to show you their genitals? I mean, if that's what it takes for you to use the preferred pronoun, I'm sure they will pass and tell you they don't really care what you want to call them, I'm sorry, but no matter how much you obsess, you still don't get to see their naughty parts.
But hey, if it's really that important to you, I'm sure there are web sites you can go to.
Freak.
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@Sam_Flynn
Just because the term can be found in a dictionary to appease the SJW on the left doesn't make it factually true.No one is afraid of (an irrational fear thereof) trans people. They just don't want to be forced to pander, accept, let alone tolerate their mental illness.
Ah yes, of course the dictionaries are all part of a vast conspiracy, fake words for fake news...LOL you guys are a hoot.
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@Sam_Flynn
No such thing as a "transphobe."
Get a dictionary Einstein.
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@FLRW
I get Turmeric gummies from Amazon.
I get Turmeric capsules from Costco....prefer Delta 9 gummies.
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All you would need to do is get 2/3 of both houses to vote to amend the constitution in order to "allow for a breakup of the two-party system". I'm sure 2/3 of our Senators and Congressmen would be selfless enough to vote to abolish the system that put them in office.
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@zedvictor4
@Sam_Flynn
Bobby McFerrin is one of the most respected people in the music industry, he's won 10 Grammys, "Don't Worry, Be Happy" won him best song, best album, and male recording artist of the year, and it made him over five million dollars. He probably doesn't care that some kid in middle school who has never accomplished anything belittles his accomplishment.
Stupid kids think calling everyone stupid makes them look smart, but all it does is make them look like a kid.
It's not the first time a kid came in here pretending to be an adult, won't be the last
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@Sam_Flynn
Oh gee, you must be sooooo smart.
We are all very impressed.
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@Sam_Flynn
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@sadolite
The joke is on anyone who thinks Trump or Biden will make one one fucking difference in their life. They both will work for or currently work for the most evil ,corrupt human maggot infested pile of shit in the world. The US federal govt. They both will suck shit from its ass and spit it on you. Neither gives a flying fuck if you live or die. Bow to your worthless masters everyone and kill your neighbor. And people ask me why I don't have any friends and trust no one.
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@Barney
Please don't accuse GP of fucking sheep (or any other wildlife).Some members will be cool with comedic insults, he is not among them.Accuse me of a three-way with sheep, I'll say something like "don't insult your grandmothers by calling them sheep!"
I didn't really have a choice in the matter, I'm part of a vast nefarious conspiracy, George Soros personally directed me to say it, and if I didn't comply, I could lose my standing as a 33rd degree Mason. Then where would I be?
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@Lemming
I like having a regular group of people to talk to,
This group is about as irregular as a group gets.
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@Greyparrot
A better idea is to tax Republicans at 92% and then use that money to help struggling Democrats. Those that cannot pay are enemies to Democracy and should rot in jail.
Already happening, red states receive a massive amount of tax funds from blue states, the Democrats are carrying the Republicans, paying for them to hate them.
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@Greyparrot
We have to jail them all to save democracy.
Yes, only Trump can get the trains to run on time, so they should jail all who oppose him.
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@FLRW
Americans don't understand the implications of Trump's criminal activities. Well, the USA is ranked 29th in IQ.
Everybody likes to say that Trump's followers don't understand, or don't know what they are doing, or why can't they see this?
But I think they do, I think they are fully aware and consciously choosing authoritarianism over democracy, and a criminal thug over law and order. It's all "us/them" thinking and they are driven by hatred of the other side.
I'm not saying they aren't stupid, they are dumb as shit, but they know what they are doing, they just don't care.
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@FLRW
Buffett stated, “I could end the deficit in five minutes. You just pass a law that says that anytime there is a deficit of more than 3% of GDP all sitting members of congress are ineligible for reelection.”I think this would be a great plan.
I think the "all sitting members of congress are ineligible for reelection.” by itself is a good plan.
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I'd like to offer a public service tip about safety this Holiday Season:
This time of year, it's pretty common to find yourself having over engaged with Holiday Cheer, and I'd like to share something from last year. If you think you have had too much to drink, remember my story, better safe than sorry. So, last year I was out celebrating and realized I had been drinking too much, so I did something I have never done before, I took a city bus home, and consequently, I arrived home safe and sound.
I have no idea where I got the city bus.
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@Greyparrot
So if it was discovered by one guy, it wouldn't be science?
Of course not, only one guy can still be a conspiracy, that's where most conspiracies start, first there is the solo-conspiracy and a coverup, and then it grows into a vast conspiracy.
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@FLRW
Are you saying the Continental Army DID NOT take over the airports during the Revolutionary War?
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Everyone in my generation can tell you, all you need to do to survive a nuclear war is get underneath a small wooden desk.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Grey Parrot almost had a 3 way once. He just needed 2 more people.
You mean that weekend with the two sheep didn't count?
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@FLRW
Michael Crichton Explains Why There Is ‘no Such Thing as Consensus Science’
Nonsense, Michael Crichton makes good movies, writes good books, he's very good at the business of sensationalizing science themes, but he does not know what he is talking about regarding consensus science.
Science is no longer the realm of the standout genius like Einstein, those days are over, it is a collaborative endeavor, primary to the process is publication, peer review, conferences, and debates, all intended to establish the requisite collaboration and consensus. The final quark to be discovered was the Top Quark in 1995, over 450 scientists were credited with the discovery, that's just how science is done today. This is not to say the consensus of the scientific community is always right, the truth goes marching on so to speak, but consensus is foundational to the practice and study of science.
With the politicization of science has come science denial, and fundamental to science denial is discrediting scientific consensus, fake news becomes fake science, scientific consensus becomes a vast conspiracy and all that. You can always find a single whack job scientist to support whatever whack job position you want to take, look at the Institute for Creation Research, those clowns are scientists, there are scientists in the Flat Earth Society, I'm sure you could find a scientist to support the idea that Trump can change the trajectory of a hurricane with a Sharpie pen, wind turbines kill whales, nuking hurricanes, injecting bleach to cure Covid, Jewish Space Lasers start fires in California, etc.
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@Swagnarok
@Greyparrot
I think he meant to say if the Republicans were as good at Blackmailing and Extortion as the Democrats, there would be more resignations.
See Swag, that's what I'm talkin bout...."Blackmail and Extortion", stuff like that, conspiracies, vast nefarious conspiracies. secret societies and all that.
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@HistoryBuff
Still a hundred votes higher than the number of Democrats who would vote to expel a Democratic colleague in the same boat.the difference is that if it were a democrat, a vote would never have happened. Because they would have resigned. The fact that he has been allowed to remain a congressman this long is a stunning indictment of the republicans. His vote in congress meant more to them than the fact that he is a grifter who lied his way into office. But since most of them are just grifters too, it isn't that surprising.
He pissed off donors, that's the one and only constituency the Republicans give a shit about.
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@Swagnarok
Still a hundred votes higher than the number of Democrats who would vote to expel a Democratic colleague in the same boat. Additionally it was GOP Speaker Johnson who allowed the vote to happen in the first place, even with the party's majority being as narrow as it is.
If you are just going to make up stupid shit to say, you could make it better than that...no George Soros, no Jewish space lasers, not even taking our guns, it's like you aren't even trying.
Wait for Greyparrot, he will show you how it's done.
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@n8nrgim
Your thoughts on Israeli war is that many libs don't make sense?
The war has nothing to do with liberals and conservatives, or with Democrats and Republicans.
It's about Muslims and Jews, Palestinians and Israelis.
i dont know much about this dispute... and am open to new persepctives/info, but this is the way i see it from my limited perspective.
If you can only see it from your own "us/them" perspective, you will never know much about the dispute.
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@sadolite
No one knows jack shit about how the universe came to be. Yes, even people who believe in god.
It's turtles all the way down.
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@FLRW
This is not to say we can't speculate about it, and apparently, we are constitutionally organized to do so, but we can’t really accurately represent it within the four-dimensional framework of science. All we can really say about it is that any prior existence you did postulate would have to be postulated as a given, it would absolutely defy description since you could not apply the terms of time and space to it, and consequently, it would be rationally incomprehensible and logically transcendent. It could not be based on evidence, its existence would be a matter of faith, and it would not be in any way subject to a logical "proof" within the scientific frame of reference. This existence could only be described by analogy because words are relative things that can't adequately describe absolute or transcendent concepts; the "ultimate reality" being described would necessarily have to be timeless rather than everlasting, universally present rather than infinite in space, uncaused and therefore eternally changeless. This would all have to fall completely outside the realm of science because objective knowledge of it would be impossible, it could not be approached from any ordinary, finite point of reference, and therefore it could never be fully grasped in any fixed form. This is not to say it cannot be conceived of, or that it does not exist, and we should recognize that the vast majority of mankind has postulated just such a transcendent entity as existing, and in general they have described it in much the same way.
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@FLRW
The problem with these “scientific” first cause analyses is that in the end we are just conjuring with mathematics here, when nature doesn’t exist yet, principles can’t exist yet either, if “nothing” exists then there are no states and no principles of laws and it’s impossible to say what might come into existence or how it might occur. An initial state of “nothing” falls completely outside of the four-dimensional frame of reference of science. All we can do is postulate a transcendent reality from which our reality causally manifested, but it would necessarily fall outside of the frame of reference of the calculations being done, we can’t really apply the principles of this reality to a reality that transcends all of the principles that these calculations are built on.
Big Bang Cosmology states that time and space came into existence with the Big Bang, therefore there is not aspatial or temporal framework for any mathematical process to occur in, withoutspace or time, there simply can't be any process. By definition, it must be an uncaused event, those who postulate the Universe resulted from a quantum fluctuation aren't recognizing that there was no space for a quantum fluctuation to occur in, and there was no time in which the quantumfluctuation could occur.
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Also them simply arguing that it might be possible that the universe is eternal isn't very meaningful than if they provided hard science that proved it or at least made it more likely than not. All they have is speculationActually, they are not arguing that the universe is eternal, they appear to be doing nothing but semantics.Here is FLRW's point:Believing in God is unscientific, it’sbelieving in a transcendent reality beyond time and space, it’s believing inthe existence of a timeless, pre-existing consciousness without physical formthat is just true by definition and that necessarily existed and is describedas infinite and singular. In the beginning,this consciousness had a thought and there was some kind of mentaltransubstantiation whereby that thought took on substance and the physicaluniverse came into existence… that’s scientifically impossible, and you have tobe scientific of course.Scientifically speaking, the real basis of the universe isconceptual or mathematical, but without a mind for the mathematics or conceptsto occur in, they just pre-existed without physical form in some kind oftranscendent reality beyond time and space. In the beginning was a deep mathematical structure that istrue by definition and which necessarily existed, and from it the physicaluniverse arose. Now,according to science, when you apply relativity and quantum theory to theprimordial nothing you get a cosmic loophole big enough for all creation tojump through. In some kind of mathematical transubstantiation, there was aquantum fluctuation whereby our numbers took on substance and became physicallyreal...and the physical universe came into existence.See the difference?
Allof this is unobservable, and even better than that, it is alsounfalsifiable, so it must be true.
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@n8nrgim
Also them simply arguing that it might be possible that the universe is eternal isn't very meaningful than if they provided hard science that proved it or at least made it more likely than not. All they have is speculation
Actually, they are not arguing that the universe is eternal, they appear to be doing nothing but semantics.
Here is FLRW's point:
Believing in God is unscientific, it’sbelieving in a transcendent reality beyond time and space, it’s believing inthe existence of a timeless, pre-existing consciousness without physical formthat is just true by definition and that necessarily existed and is describedas infinite and singular. In the beginning,this consciousness had a thought and there was some kind of mentaltransubstantiation whereby that thought took on substance and the physicaluniverse came into existence… that’s scientifically impossible, and you have tobe scientific of course.
Scientifically speaking, the real basis of the universe isconceptual or mathematical, but without a mind for the mathematics or conceptsto occur in, they just pre-existed without physical form in some kind oftranscendent reality beyond time and space. In the beginning was a deep mathematical structure that istrue by definition and which necessarily existed, and from it the physicaluniverse arose. Now,according to science, when you apply relativity and quantum theory to theprimordial nothing you get a cosmic loophole big enough for all creation tojump through. In some kind of mathematical transubstantiation, there was aquantum fluctuation whereby our numbers took on substance and became physicallyreal...and the physical universe came into existence.
See the difference?
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@FLRW
"I don't think you can use science to either prove or disprove the existence of God," Filippenko said.
If we're after the ultimate origin of everything, however, invoking the laws of physics doesn't quite do the trick. It may get us one step closer, but it doesn't take us all the way, Filippenko said.
"The question, then, is, 'Why are there laws of physics?'" he said.
The article doesn't really say anything new, it speculates that prior to the big bang the "laws of physics" existed and just replaces Where did the universe come from? with Where did the laws of physics come from?
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@Tradesecret
Theword "Genesis" means "in the beginning", it relates thetrue nature of man and establishes the basis for all that follows; it"prefaces" a book that quite explicitly states we are all"One" and consequently, we should not judge one another. It is mostcertainly NOT about being divisive, self-righteous, or condemning.
Genesis was never intended to be an historical description of events thatactually happened, it is a myth that expresses mankind's codified memory ofreal events that occurred in our distant past. It is not literally true; it'smore profound than that, rather it is the embodiment of a deeper truth, anexpression of an ultimate reality that just couldn't be expressed in any otherway, especially 3500 years ago.
To treat it as merely an historical narrative account alters its originalintent and completely obfuscates the profound truth to which the symbolicnarrative points. The Hebrew word "Adam" translates to the Englishword "mankind", it was never intended to be the proper name of anindividual. Genesis is not just some detached record of an historical event; itis more meaningful than that.
It is an expression of man's "experience" of a dimly remembered pastevent, relating our emotional reaction, establishing it's significance,providing it's meaning, and demanding a response. It conveys a much deeperunderstanding of the birth of consciousness and the subsequent transition froma life based on instinct to one involving self-awareness, explaining andrelating the resultant requirements for conscious and moral decision-making, aswell as responsible stewardship for Life and Earth, over which we have been"given dominion" because of the unique way we think.
The fact of "knowledge" would be unaccountable without a distinctionbetween subject and object, our access to self-reflective consciousnessachieved that, and in so doing we necessarily separated ourselves from perfection,we were no longer perfectly attuned to, and One with nature, we were "castout of the garden of perfection", so to speak. We are distinct in theanimal world because of the way we think, and now we image reality in adetached and symbolic manner, and everything that is distinctively human,language, culture, science, technology, it all followed from that"break" with the true reality we were once part of.
But now the self-conscious ego takes a detached point of view artificiallyassuming a position outside of reality, we say we "face reality" asif we were Gods, standing outside of nature and looking upon it. The fact is weare part of nature, we don't "face reality"; we are a significant andintegral part of reality.
What Genesis is telling us is that unless we accept a deeper understanding ofour profound interrelatedness with all of life, until we recognize that a partcan never be whole, if we don't consciously "eat from the fruit of thetree of life" so to speak, we will continue to lay waste to our motherearth and go on killing ourselves and each other.
I believe that is what Genesis is and was trying to tell us.
Genesis was never intended to be an historical description of events thatactually happened, it is a myth that expresses mankind's codified memory ofreal events that occurred in our distant past. It is not literally true; it'smore profound than that, rather it is the embodiment of a deeper truth, anexpression of an ultimate reality that just couldn't be expressed in any otherway, especially 3500 years ago.
To treat it as merely an historical narrative account alters its originalintent and completely obfuscates the profound truth to which the symbolicnarrative points. The Hebrew word "Adam" translates to the Englishword "mankind", it was never intended to be the proper name of anindividual. Genesis is not just some detached record of an historical event; itis more meaningful than that.
It is an expression of man's "experience" of a dimly remembered pastevent, relating our emotional reaction, establishing it's significance,providing it's meaning, and demanding a response. It conveys a much deeperunderstanding of the birth of consciousness and the subsequent transition froma life based on instinct to one involving self-awareness, explaining andrelating the resultant requirements for conscious and moral decision-making, aswell as responsible stewardship for Life and Earth, over which we have been"given dominion" because of the unique way we think.
The fact of "knowledge" would be unaccountable without a distinctionbetween subject and object, our access to self-reflective consciousnessachieved that, and in so doing we necessarily separated ourselves from perfection,we were no longer perfectly attuned to, and One with nature, we were "castout of the garden of perfection", so to speak. We are distinct in theanimal world because of the way we think, and now we image reality in adetached and symbolic manner, and everything that is distinctively human,language, culture, science, technology, it all followed from that"break" with the true reality we were once part of.
But now the self-conscious ego takes a detached point of view artificiallyassuming a position outside of reality, we say we "face reality" asif we were Gods, standing outside of nature and looking upon it. The fact is weare part of nature, we don't "face reality"; we are a significant andintegral part of reality.
What Genesis is telling us is that unless we accept a deeper understanding ofour profound interrelatedness with all of life, until we recognize that a partcan never be whole, if we don't consciously "eat from the fruit of thetree of life" so to speak, we will continue to lay waste to our motherearth and go on killing ourselves and each other.
I believe that is what Genesis is and was trying to tell us.
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