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@Greyparrot
I think the Democrat party has room for improvement.
I think when everyone thinks alike it's not an "improvement", diversity of opinions is healthy.
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Longing for a Fascist Dictatorship where nobody disagrees?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
“Rep. Ken Buck (R-Colo.) said Wednesday that he would not seek reelection next year, expressing disappointment that many fellow Republicans continue to push the “big lie” that the 2020 presidential election was stolen”“Buck’s announcement came hours after Rep. Kay Granger (R-Tex.) also said she would not seek reelection next year”There will be nobody left but the wack jobs like Boebert the clown, Marjorie (I’m really a man) Greene, and Jim “I see nothing” Jordan.
Voters continue to leave the party also.
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@FLRW
Do you think Greyparrot is really Lindsey Graham?
Don't be ridiculous, obviously he's Eric Trump.
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@ebuc
Do rocks have consciousness due to the fact that rocks are made from atoms?All nervous system animals have consciousness from least complex nematodes to most complex humans.
Consciousness extends beyond “nervoussystem animals”, the most rudimentary form of life is the prokaryote, a singlecell without a nucleus like bacteria. Bacteria can orient themselves and engagein purposeful behavior, they respond to a broad range of stimuli, demonstrateelementary forms of “memory”. They are sensate beings that not only“experience” things in their environment, but also respond to sensory inputs.They are extraordinarily perceptive, demonstrating elaborate behavioralresponses and adaptations to a wide range of environmental stimuli. They havecomplex signaling capabilities, show the ability to communicate, and changetheir behavior based on population size, and clearly demonstrates socialbehavior on at least a rudimentary level. They have been proven to have someform of memory and a rudimentary ability to learn, and the discriminatoryability to “choose” among alternatives. They clearly integrate thesecapabilities into a self-organized and sensate being that in at least anextremely attenuated way is perceiving, discriminating, remembering, and even“thinking”, on some level it is conscious.
If even less complex consciousness exists then we go the other direction... two-ness/other-ness <<<< sub-atomics ( ex 2 or 3 quarks } <<< atomics { hydrogen least complex } <<< molecular <<< viruses <<< single celluar organisms <<<< plants <<<<< fungi <<<< animals <<<< mammals <<< humans.
When we think of life in terms of discrete forms and species, we are only focusing on certain stages of the transformation process. When we think in terms of continuous change moving toward the formation of more complex self-regulating wholes, the intermediate states fall into place as essential parts of the process. From the study of consciousness itself, it becomes clear that consciousness is not something that evolved with human beings, or with primates, mammals or any other particular degree of biological evolution. It has always existed. What emerged over the course of evolution were the various qualities and dimensions of conscious experience -- the contents of consciousness.
Seen in its entirety, seen the way evolution demands that we see it; there is a direction to life, it constantly progresses towards greater complexity and higher forms of sentience, from inanimate matter, to life, to thought, to self-reflective consciousness.
Memory is a significantly key ingredient to more complex consciousness.
Memory refers to the temporal aspectof being, consciousness necessarily implies a “self” that is aware via a singleunified conscious experience of the world that provides continuity of self overtime allowing the being to relate the continual stream of temporal experiences,recall antecedent experiences, and utilize the contents of experience todynamically interact with the environment in a purposeful way.
Do digital machines communicate with each other? Can digital machines smell, taste, hear, talk/sing? Yes
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..." “In a pond, after the ripples pass, the water returns to its old level,” says David Garfinkle, a cosmologist at Oakland University in Michigan. You might imagine that after the gravitational wave has passed, the fabric of the universe returns to normal too. “But it doesn’t,” says Garfinkle. In fact, Albert Einstein’s general theory of relativity, which says that gravity results from mass warping space-time, predicts that gravitational waves should ever-so-subtly shift the structure of space-time in their wake. In other words, the universe remembers."...
If you look at the mass of a thing “in and of itself”, you find that it has no mass in and of itself, the thing has no independent existence when it comes to mass. The mass off an object is determined by its relationship to the rest of the mass in the universe, its mass is a function of the distribution of the rest of the mass in the universe. If a star reaches the end of it’s life and explodes, distributing it’s mass across a large region of space, the mass of all objects in space changes, which is why the General Theory predicts gravity waves. Gravity waves are the physical manifestation of the whole reacting to the changed distribution of mass
Taken in its entirety, what we observe is one unfolding cosmic process of becoming, a universe in which entities of matter are increasing form and complexity in space and time, becoming increasingly aware of itself. We are just an animal confronted by and pondering this vast and complex thing in transformation, who can see groups of connected realities but cannot truly and fully understand what they represent because we are an animal whose mind is still awakening.
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@FLRW
We have consciousness due to the fact that life is made from atoms.
Do rocks have consciousness due to the fact that rocks are made from atoms?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
No Americans have died in Ukraine or Israel.
So far, 29 Americans have died in the Israel Hamas conflict, and 14 Americans have died in the Ukraine-Russia conflict.
Trump the idiot tried to break up NATO like the idiot that he is.
Trump is the King of the Idiots.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Trump was fined $10,000 for his lie and stormed out of the court like a petulant child
Then he told reporters "The witness just admitted that we won the trial and the judge should end this trial immediately. Thank you."
Trump thinks witnesses decide the case, somebody ought to tell him it's the judge he keeps pissing off that decides the case.
$15,000 is chump change, the judge needs to incarcerate him for contempt if he keeps it up, and I can't wait :)
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@Greyparrot
Mass shootings are practically non-existent compared to the USA.
Not counting the ones Kim Jong Un has done.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
The new speaker, Mike Johnson, had a brilliant idea to stop mass shooters in this country - prayer.“We’re really, really hopeful and prayerful,” he said. “Prayer is appropriate at a time like this, that the evil can end and the senseless violence can stop.”Oh boy, We are in good hands now!Imagine if your house burned down and when you went to your insurance company the agent told you all he can do for you is pray.Let’s pray that your house can be rebuilt and the fires will stop burning down homes!
MAGA Mike wants to make being gay illegal, the vast majority of the American people want equal rights .
He wants to make abortion illegal, most Americans do not.
He wants to shut down the government, no American wants that.
With MAGA Mike third in line, what we all need to pray for is the safety of Biden and Harris.
Who would have thought Matt Gaetz would emerge as the most powerful Republican in Congress.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
The new speaker, Mike Johnson, had a brilliant idea to stop mass shooters in this country - prayer.“We’re really, really hopeful and prayerful,” he said. “Prayer is appropriate at a time like this, that the evil can end and the senseless violence can stop.”Oh boy, We are in good hands now!Imagine if your house burned down and when you went to your insurance company the agent told you all he can do for you is pray.Let’s pray that your house can be rebuilt and the fires will stop burning down homes!
MAGA Mike wants to make being gay illegal, the vast majority of the American people want equal rights .
He wants to make abortion illegal.
He wants to shut down the government.
With MAGA Mike third in line, what we all need to pray for is the safety of Biden and Harris.
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@zedvictor4
We assume that the Universe exists because we assume that we are conscious.The Universe is irrelevant otherwise.
We assume the Universe exists, but we do not assume that we are conscious, that is a brute fact.
All knowledge begins with experience andknowledge itself is based on a distinction between subject and object, knowerand known, so to speak. Descarte’s “Ithink, therefore I am” comes to mind, he explained that the only knowledge wehave that is immediate and can be taken as a given, is that we exist assubjective experiencing beings. All other knowledge is mediate, contingent uponsomething, our only evidence that there even is a universe, or a reality, comesfrom a “presumption” of sorts. What we take as the reality outside of us, theso-called objective reality, is a construct that is the presumed cause of oursensations. We must presume something is “out there” causing these sensationsthat we are having “in here”. The only knowledge that is immediate is “inhere”, in our consciousness, that is the only thing we know directly. All otherknowledge is mediate; everything else is a projection, we only know it by oursensations, reality is the thing we presume to be “out there”, beyond us;causing our sensations.
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@FLRW
We have consciousness due to the fact that life is made from atoms.
That makes no sense at all.
It's time for a whole new theory of why the Universe exists in the first place.
Maybe the Universe exists because ice is made from water.
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@Critical-Tim
After attempting for thousands of years, how do you explain our failure to find "a mutually agreed concept".Consciousness is not empirical, yet many people try to describe and measure it.
The very process by which science translates qualitative experiences into measurable quantities that do not themselves exhibit the qualitative constituents of experience, fundamentally changes the subject matter of the investigation such that the resultant account of consciousness is a contradiction in terms.
Not all people agree about what it should be called because it is closely tied with religion and fate, making it often an emotionally driven topic.
The reason that this concept has been so hotly debated for centuries is that it is it is a matter of our identity; it speaks to what and who we are as human beings.
Consciousness is difficult to define precisely, but nevertheless, we all use the pronouns “I”, “you”, and “we”, with an understanding that what we are talking about is intuitively clear and involves common agreement. It may be hard to articulate a definition, but we know it more immediately than anything else we know. We observe it during every waking moment, it is a fundamental part of our experiential reality at all times, hence it is self-evident. The definition problem is only a problem of physicalism, like time, consciousness, is just conceptually real, it is an idea without any physical referent. It is not a physical reality; it is just an experiential reality.
It would make sense to me that people won't reach an agreement until they agree on a single religion and philosophy, which will probably never happen.
That wouldn’t make sense to me.
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@Critical-Tim
I don't see the definition as a self-referential paradox, but an attempt for a mutually agreed concept, which if done well could be conclusive.
After attempting for thousands of years, how do you explain our failure to find "a mutually agreed concept".
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@FLRW
This is why consciousness exists. Human brain has more switches than all computers on Earth https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/human-brain-has-more-switches-than-all-computers-on-earth/A typical, healthy one houses some 200 billion nerve cells, which are connected to one another via hundreds of trillions of synapses. Each synapse functions like a microprocessor, and tens of thousands of them can connect a single neuron to other nerve cells. In the cerebral cortex alone, there are roughly 125 trillion synapses, which is about how many stars fill 1,500 Milky Way galaxies.
Why would physical complexity be “why consciousness exists.”
The answer to the hard problem would entail a description of the mechanism by which the conscious experience is produced, the number of synapses in the brain does nothing to explain why a physical state is conscious rather than not conscious. The description of a physical state is not enough, to be explanatory, there must be a descriptive mechanism that tells us why it feels like something to be in that physical state.
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@PressF4Respect
Newton's Flaming Laser Sword (yes this is a real thing) is a philosophical razor coined by Australian mathematician Mike Alder in 2004, which states that:what cannot be settled by experiment is not worth debating.Since God exists outside of the observable universe, there would be no way to observe God. There would also be no experiment we could do to prove or falsify God's existence, since God exists independently of the universe. Given this, according to NFLS, God's existence is not worth debating. Also, since there is no experiment to prove or disprove God, the notion of his existence is unfalsifiable, and therefore unscientific.What are your guys' thoughts on this?
What experiment can validate Newton's Flaming Laser Sword? If there is no experiment we could do to prove or falsify Newton's Flaming Laser Sword, so it is self-denying. Also, since there is no experiment to prove or disprove Newton's Flaming Laser Sword, it is unfalsifiable, and therefore unscientific.
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@Best.Korea
There are quite a few demons on these boards, and they'd know, why don't you just PM them.
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@Critical-Tim
I think the theory of consciousness is mostly undecided because it is so vaguely defined.Without a common consensus of what consciousness is, how could anything be discovered about it?
By its very nature, it invokes the self-referential paradox that always makes a logically certain and conclusive analysis crumble. it is all but impossible to define precisely; any attempt at a precise definition will be self-referential and therefore paradoxical at best. By definitionself-reference is not referential at all.
We know it's a definition issue and the problem is that there isn’t anything even approaching common agreement on what consciousness is, and for every different attempt at a definition, it's still hard to know about because we don't have access to the inner world of anybody but ourselves. The dilemma is that we can’t even be sure other people areconscious, we can only presume it about other people and some of them make thatreally hard to do.
We do have access toour own inner world, so I know I'm conscious, I can start there, but I can'teven examine my own consciousness very well because it's constantly changing,it just won't sit still long enough to become a well-defined object of analysis. Despite the fact that we directly experienceit and so we know it with greater certainty than we can know anything else, theobject of study, consciousness itself, remains hidden behind its effects, it'slike trying to understand and analyze the movie projector by watching the moviein a theater. I'm having thisexperience, I know it's back there in the back of the theater causing theseimages to appear on the screen, but the movie just doesn't help me describe theprojector with any degree of accuracy. Consciousness if just too fuzzy of a concept and the experiential datawe have to go on is even fuzzier, hell, before I've had my coffee in themorning the experience of consciousness is even more fuzzy.
As I said, this question is a matter of our identity and"Know thyself" is an ancient aphorism that appears to be something ofa philosophical mandate, but when you set yourself to the task, it's hard notto think these ancient philosophers weren't a bunch of comedians just trying topiss us off. I have this image of Socrates and Plato smoking a joint andSocrates says to Plato, "Hey man, let's put a lot of stuff about"know thyself" in there, that should keep them flustered forthousands of years", and they both start laughing hysterically while Platosays, "Stop it man, you're killing me".
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Truth is ugly. There is no point in knowing the truth.I prefer to live in delusion, because delusion is a better place to live in.Fuck the truth.
Have you received your MAGA card yet?
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@Greyparrot
The big difference is that Clinton lied about it where Trump bragged about it. People hate liars more than cheaters.
Yeah, that's the big difference, Trump doesn't lie....Bwahahahahahahahahahahah.
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No matter how many times that you pose this question or variations of, the burden of proof will always lay with those that make the claim.
This is a self-contradictingstatement that renders itself untrue. The idea that belief in somethingrequires proof is not based on observation or evidence; it is not a logicalconclusion, it is unproven, it is nothing but a dogmatic axiom of faith. Hence it does not meet its own burden of proof.
So, you have checkmated yourself unless (1) You can confirm which god your talking about. (2) You can prove his existence. (3) You can prove where he came from.
This Pavlovian regurgitation betrays total ignorance of the subject matter. The problem with such obdurate and dogmatic closedmindedness is that everything is one dimensional, there's no depth, nothing atall below a surface level understanding of childish literalisms and acting out deeppersonal grievances.
It’s common for young children to see the Bible as a storybook and to have a childish understanding of God as an invisible man in the skythat grants wishes to those who pray. Usually,as children age and mature their conception of God and their understanding offaith develops and matures beyond such childish ways of understanding things.
But that isn’t always the case. There are those whoseconception of God and faith did not mature as they got older and who now spenda lot of time ranting about how much more intelligent, rational, and maturethey are than people of faith because they now reject this childish idea of God.They apparently don’t understand that no adult Theist believes in the God theydon’t believe in and yet, they really seem thrilled with themselves for theirintellectual achievement It just seemsthat they are using the faith discussion to brag about how they are all grownup now and so they don’t believe in the invisible man in the sky anymore, andwhen I read these posts I can’t help but recall the image of a little child Isaw on vacation a few years back who was clinging to the wall of the hotel poolnext to the three foot sign yelling “Mommy, mommy, look at me, I’m in the deepend just like a grown up”. I’m sorry, but this type of religious scholarshitjust doesn’t appear to be all that grown up to me, and clinging to suchchildish ideas about God and faith isn’t what I’d call “deep”.
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@Stephen
@eventuality001Cut and paste nonsense.But no less valid questions, regardless of their source.Except for being made up nonsense.I see. And you know this how, exactly?It comes from being knowledgeable about the subject matter, you should try it some time.I see.Then you will have absolutely no problem addressing the OP's questions will you. Which up to now, you have simply dismissed as "nonsense" without a single piece of evidence.Sorry kiddie, I'm afraid you are gonna have to be the expert on both nonsense and Mohammud LOLSo from the very beginning you have had absolutely no intention or interest in responding to the OP's questions that have been posed to the likes of you that claim to be "knowledgeable on this particular "subject matter".You should be banned just for admitting that you are only on this forum to stir shit and cause conflict and have no interest in conversation or discussion even when it concerns your own claimed "knowledge and expertise" in this particular "subject matter".I suppose you don't mind looking like a complete bellend!🤣
LOL, another whiney baby tantrum, just how old are you little one.
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@eventuality001Cut and paste nonsense.But no less valid questions, regardless of their source.Except for being made up nonsense.I see. And you know this how, exactly?It comes from being knowledgeable about the subject matter, you should try it some time.I see.Then you will have absolutely no problem addressing the OP's questions will you. Which up to now, you have simply dismissed as "nonsense" without a single piece of evidence.
Sorry kiddie, I'm afraid you are gonna have to be the expert on both nonsense and Mohammud LOL
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@eventuality001Cut and paste nonsense.But no less valid questions, regardless of their source.Except for being made up nonsense.I see. And you know this how, exactly?It comes from being knowledgeable about the subject matter, you should try it some time.
I see.
Then you will have absolutely no problem addressing the OP's questions will you. Which up to now, you have simply dismissed as "nonsense" without a single piece of evidence.
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@eventuality001Cut and paste nonsense.But no less valid questions, regardless of their source.Except for being made up nonsense.I see. And you know this how, exactly?
It comes from being knowledgeable about the subject matter, you should try it some time.
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@eventuality001Cut and paste nonsense.But no less valid questions, regardless of their source.
Except for being made up nonsense.
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@eventuality001
Cut and paste nonsense.
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You are all asserting your metaphysical beliefs, those whotry to deny this fact are only hiding it, obscuring it, or just doing it badly. All knowledge is contingent upon metaphysicalpresuppositions, anyone who doesn’t recognize that is simply asserting theirown metaphysics unconsciously, unreflectively, and uncritically, which is whatI define as “just doing it badly”.
Metaphysics is axiomatic, materialism, reductionism,naturalism, physicalism, determinism, atheism and theism, they are allmetaphysical contentions, axiomatic systems of belief rather than evidence-basedsystems of thought.
Contentions about how competing metaphysical systems ofthought require “proof” or “evidence” betrays a total lack of understanding thesubject matter.The fact is, reality isalways going to be ambiguous regarding the questions being raised here, Theism is not logically coercive, it’s a matter offaith, but for those who choose it, it does provide an intellectually satisfyingway of making sense of the broadest possible band of human experience, ofuniting in a single account, the rich and many layered encounter that we havewith a reality that is experienced as full of qualities, values, meanings, andpurposes.
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@John_C_87
How can you explain the existence of God?Are we explaining GOD as only a religion or as animal, vegetable, and mineral ?
We aren't explaining God, I was being facetious.
The originating question is not valid, you don't explain existence, existence just is.
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@Best.Korea
How can you explain the existence of God?He created himself, obviously.
Contradictory statement, obviously.
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@zedvictor4
How can you explain the existence of God?YepGame over before it started theists.
How do you explain existence?
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@Best.Korea
How can you explain the existence of God?
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And stop being sneaky and cowardly by not tagging me when you are responding to me directly.
Still pretending you don't have me blocked, at least you are consistently dishonest.
But this way you can call me sneaky and cowardly, oh, you so clever.
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Obviously, the agenda is to control the conversation and suppress the free exchange of ideas and opinions,Not at all. It is simply required that you stay on topic. You have not at all attempted to express or exchanged any ideas or opinions of the topic matter, have you?
What you are whining about here is that I gavemy opinion, try to pay attention.
but how exactly are the kinds of questions that can be askedBut you haven't asked any questions have you?
Go back and read it again, slowly for comprehension this time. You will see that White Flame referenced two posters in his response to your whine, n8nrgim asked a question, and then I responded to the question, hence “the kinds of questions that can be asked and the kinds of answers that can be given”.
By the way, the full sentence that you extracted your quote from was “Obviously, the agenda is to control the conversation and suppress the free exchange of ideas and opinions, but how exactly are the kinds of questions that can be asked and the kinds of answers that can be given determined?” Note the punctuation mark at the end of that sentence, they call that a question mark, when you see one of those at the end of a sentence, that sentence is a question. So yes, I have asked a question, please try to pay attention.
I have even addressed something that you have raised with another member on this thread that had absolutely nothing to do with the topic but was kind enough to address you anyway. But then what did you do?, you ignored it and have now started a dispute with a moderator! <<<<<<
LOL, my my, how dramatic, "dispute" huh, try reading again, I asked for the moderator for clarification, but hey, calling it a dispute is much more dramatic, I’m sure you think that furthers your agenda somehow, and maybe it does, I still haven’t gotten the requested clarification as to how your game is played, I guess we’ll just have to see if "dispute" scores with the moderators.
My request for clarification is valid, I see you and Brother D constantly derailing threads, Critical Tim asked you again and again to stop turning his Buddhism thread into a bashing Christians thread and you simply ignored him, the moderators seem to be OK with you and Brother D derailing threads all day long. So I am trying to understand why the same posters who derail threads are allowed to determine what questions and answers are allowed in their own threads. The question is why is this applied so selectively, why is it you can control the conversation and pick what ideas and opinions are allowed, and Critical Tim cannot? Is it that certain agendas are protected, and others are not?
If I am expected to comply with the moderators wishes, I need to know how the moderators apply these “rules”, apparently, you can control conversations and Critical Tim can’t, it would help if the mods would tell us who the privileged posters are, or at least which agendas are protected, and which ones aren’t.
This is something you should have done in a PM as not to further derail this topic.
Neither you or themod used a PM, am I to understand that you make the rules about what can bediscussed AND how it can be discussed? How exactly do we get granted that authority?
Would you like to have another go Sidewalker ?Here you are, note the underlined.:Sidewalker wrote @n8nrgim: That's not it, it's way too personal and obsessive for that, this is about a person. There is a Christian he is deeply angry with but it's someone he is afraid to address directly.If I am not constrained by C of C rules and I knew who you were referring to, I would most certainly address "directly" the "person" it is you have in mind but you appear far too afraid to mention, as I have all posters on this, my thread.So when you're ready.
What exactly are you waiting for? n8nrgim asked a question, I answeredit, you whined about it, Whiteflame did what you wanted, the end…what am Isupposed to be getting ready for?
Since you get to control the conversation, you certainly needto be more specific about what the responses need to be.
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@whiteflame
Please refrain from derailing this thread by trying to place attentions elsewhere. The OP posted a thread with a specific subject. If you don’t intend to engage on that, you can always post elsewhere.
Please help me understand this "derailing the thread" idea that it is so popular to whine about here.
Where is it mentioned in the so called "C of C rules"
Obviously, the agenda is to control the conversation and suppress the free exchange of ideas and opinions, but how exactly are the kinds of questions that can be asked and the kinds of answers that can be given determined?
Why is this applied so selectively, what are the protected agendas?
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@FLRW
I LOVE SMART PEOPLE !!!!! That must be what God says.
I think he must love idiots even more, why else would he have made so many of them.
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@n8nrgim
it is odd that you have such hang ups on the intricacies of the bible. either you are excessively worried about a fiction book, or you harbor some sympathies to it being something that is worthy of concerning yourself. at least, that's what it looks like to me. you might want to honestly reflect on that.
That's not it, it's way too personal and obsessive for that, this is about a person. There is a Christian he is deeply angry with but it's someone he is afraid to address directly, this is his way of being naughty, he's "acting out".
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@HistoryBuff
The email claimed his Dad took half of his earnings.I've already replied to this exact message. my answer is: So? He wrote an email saying a thing that he has a very good reason to lie about. There is nothing to suggest what he said in the email is true. That email isn't evidence of anything on it's own. If you could also show millions of dollars showing up in Joe biden's bank account around the same time as hunter got paid, then sure that email might help point to who sent that money. But on it's own, that email tells us nothing other than what Hunter wanted people to believe.So I reiterate. There isn't a single shred of actual evidence that ties Joe to any corruption, bribery or wrong doing of any kind. There is only inuendo and hearsay.
The entire GOP Campaign Platform is inuendo, hearsay, and conspiracy theories, so "two out of three ain't bad".
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@n8nrgim
an atheist here made a good point... sometimes things look more like they are 'consistent' with God theory, rather than 'evidence for' God theory. any time you see evdience for God, ask if it would be better or at least possible to not call it evidence but merely consistent with God theory.there's lots of philosophic arguements for God. id group those with things like casuality arguments and design arguments. the thing about these is that there's at least plausible arguments that can be made that are counter those. so it's easy to just call these consistent with God and not evidence.
The basis of faith is not inferential reason, it is personal encounter. The experiential reality of a human being involves a wide range of disparate cognitive states that result in conscious, sentient, rational beings that perceive quality, value, purpose, and meaning. Human beings experience a many-leveled, multifaceted reality that is mediated by means of our senses and involves our whole cognitive equipment, the “God theory” is not an explanatory hypothesis, it is a way of relating to reality in its most significant aspects.
In the end, reality is always going to be ambiguous regarding the questions being raised here, the “God theory”, is not logically coercive, it’s a matter of faith, but for those who choose it, it does provide an intellectually satisfying way of making sense of the broadest possible band of human experience, of uniting in a single account, the rich and many layered encounter that we have with a reality that is experienced as full of values, qualities, meanings, and purposes.
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@Public-Choice
And there are nothing but dumb people in MAGA.Uhhh... permit me to follow your logic here... but if you agree with the rationale that smart people sound stupid to idiots, and all the MAGA people don't sound stupid to each other, and Trump is one of the smart ones... then... like... doesn't that mean all the MAGA people are smart?
No, it means all MAGA people are stupid, but they think they are smart.
"Trust me, I’m, like, a smart person" - Donald Trump
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@ponikshiy
Donald Trump was the dumbest goddamn student I ever had!" - William T. Kelley, Marketing Professor at WhartonTo be fair there is a lot of smart people at Wharton. Somebody has to be the dumbest smart person.
And there are nothing but dumb people in MAGA. Somebody has to be the smartest dumb person.
MAGA is a cesspool, the biggest chunks rise to the top.
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There might be something in that. I should imagine anyone taken in by such an invention as the devil dogma that has absolutely no grounds may well be suffering from-as you put it - mental turmoil or traumatic internal issues, and just the kind of weak minded sort that the Christian church and other religions usually prey on.
Good for you, recognizing the problem is the first step in overcoming it. How is that "obsessively attacking Christianity" thing working out for you? Doesn't seem to be working, it hasn't done a thing to lessen the your anger, perhaps you should simply confront the Christian you are so upset with, if you can overcome your fear of speaking directly to them, maybe putting it all on the table will help you handle your demons. It's very clear trolling the internet isn't helping, it's time to stop acting out and face up to the real world.
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@FLRW
At New York Military Academy. Trump was known as a gold brick who consistently broke the rules. He was dismissed from his only command assignment for being a detriment to unit discipline and morale.Even in High School he was a loser and a failure.Oh, and his father sent him to military school because he was a lazy gold brick and rule breaker in regular high school.Then he went to Fordham, where he got lousy grades and was a layabout and rule breaker. His father bought him a spot at Wharton undergrad where he was “The dumbest student I ever had,” according to one tenured professor. He graduated without distinction and has no graduate degrees, though he likes to pretend he has a Wharton MBA (he does not).
"Donald Trump was the dumbest goddamn student I ever had!" - William T. Kelley, Marketing Professor at Wharton
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@IwantRooseveltagain
“Let’s just say he was not treated well by his fellow Ohioan (John Boehner)who, you know, used terms like ‘knucklehead’ and so on,” Issa said.The normal Republicans knew Jordon was a moron and treated him like one.
That is offensive, I think you owe knuckleheads an apology.
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@n8nrgim
the average worker is a slave to society.... essentially a slave to the powerful. it's not outright slavery, but it basically is. there is an element of violence imposed on the average worker, cause he has no means of changing the system other than the electoral processi said that to someone i respect a lot, and they said it's a juvenile world view. i view it as just calling a spade a spade. what do ya'll think?
When we are "juvenile" we live with our parents, we are "entitled" to a certain standard of living without having to work, to carry that feeling of entitlement into adulthood to feel that having to have a job is an act of violence, certainly isn't what I'd call a grown up world view, I can certainly understand why someone would call that a juvenile world view.
If you were just calling a spade a spade, then you'd be calling working working, calling working slavery is drama.
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So;Why has the Christian Church filled our minds of such fearful satanic dogma and the same said Church has attached to the incident with Eve and the serpent?
Thequestion is why has the Christian Church filled YOUR mind with such fearful satanic dogma. Very few report the Christian experience as “fearfulSatanic dogma”, clearly the answer to your questions can only be found viaintrospection.
Nowhere in the Genesis account is there any mention, direct or indirect of Satan's involvement but it hasn't stopped -indeed it has become common practice - for the Church to portray the Eden serpent as a representative of Satan or Satan himself as in Revelation 12:9.
Yousay ”the Church” as if Christianity is a single monolithic entity with twobillion people that all think alike. It mostcertainly is not, and your portrayal here is not the least bit representativeof the majority of Christians by any stretch of the imagination. This drama is a psychological drama playingout internally and being projected onto others.
From my own understanding, in the Hebrew bible as in the conventional or mainstream Judaism to this day Satan never appears as Western Christendom has come to know him. The Christian perception of Satan is that of an evil imperialist whose hoards of demons wages war on god and humankind, but this Satan character was an invention of the post -Jesus era that has absolutely no more historic value than anything written by Bram Stoker and his Gothic fictional character, count Dracula.Though rarely mentioned in the Old Testament 'satans' are portrayed as obedient underling servants or sons of gods (the bene ha - elohim) who's duty it is to perform specific tasks or strategic obstruction. Whenever a bene ha - elohim satan appears in the Old Testament he is seen as a fully signed up member of the heavenly court- one that carries out god's more aggressive dictates and is also know as an obstructer and accuser.
Judaismand Christianity are indeed two different religions, with differing interpretationsof the same ancient Scriptures.
So in this regard, why is it that the Christian Church felt it necessary to wrap around an emissary of god a myth that is only worthy of a gothic novel that has no historicity to it whatsoever?
It is said that all wars are internal wars, perhaps the inner turmoil you are projecting outwardly is a deliberate and intentional effort to be disconnected from a poor self-image, negative feelings, guilt, or mental illness. Demonic religious ideation and Satanic delusions could be outward manifestations of dark internal realities of a mind in turmoil as it struggles to preserve some semblance of self-esteem, sense of self-worth and identity by denying the existence of the traumatic internal issues.
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@Greyparrot
Obviously the Democrats represent a cabal of nefarious form filling misinformation that are operating a global hair sniffing ring which conspired against Donald Trump.
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@ponikshiy
ponikshiy - I want to keep this subject contained to a single thread where various conversations can take off.
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@Greyparrot
Do they permanently mutilate their underage trans kids though? Cop feels and sniff hair of kids?That would be the real hypocrisy for today's Republican.Sodom aint nothing without Gomorrah.
What about Hunter?
Don't forget he filled out a form wrong.
The horror, the horror.
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