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@Speedrace
I like the rule, although I don't think it should be in every game.
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@TheRealNihilist
Oh. I forgot I said that.
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@Bullish
Also Sir's reaction feels unnatural as ****.
It was. I found it so funny that I didn't care. I don't know how to communicate laughing in a natural way.
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@Lunatic
No, I don't have an alt.
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@Barney
@warren42
Times a'wastin'...
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I think Grey being town makes it more likely that there were scum on his lynch, since it wouldn't be a bus. I could do a Pie lynch today. However, I would like everyone to get active first.
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@Bullish
Firstly, Grey is a he. Secondly, while that post was highly suspect, it's impossible for him to be scum. If he is, then it would be impossible for town to win because lynching Grey makes Lunatic win.
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@Bullish
Good idea.
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@Lunatic
I'm SirAnonymous. Any question about anonymity is automatically addressed to me.
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@Lunatic
Why the initial anonymity?
If you have to ask, I can't explain it to you.
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@Bullish
you just said a theme was "highly likely," then directly contradicted yourself by saying no theme was highly likely. 
Ok, I worded that confusingly.
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@EtrnlVw
You're free to believe the account is literal of course, but you do know that the Bible uses both forms of language right? actually the Bible uses all different forms of writing styles.
Yes, I know.
So why would you force a literal application to obvious figurative writing? 
Because it isn't obviously figurative.
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@EtrnlVw
No. Of course animals can't speak naturally. However, Satan is supernatural, and the Bible doesn't say a lot about what he can and can't do.
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@EtrnlVw
Can you give us an example IRL where this happens at all ever?
The demon-possessed people in the NT.

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@EtrnlVw
I've been a Christian probably longer than most people here Sir.
Sorry. Your bio said other for religion, so I thought you weren't.
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@Stephen
I couldn't be sure I was right though. This is why I say, it has never for me, been Satisfactorily answered.
So? Suppose the snake isn't Satan. It makes no difference. All that would mean is that there's a part of the Bible we don't understand. That proves...absolutely nothing.
And a perfect example of what I mean is given above  at post #2 by the great biblical wordsmith himself EtrnlVw.

He tells us the serpent is only "symbolic".  and is " only  representative of the forms of temptation mankind faces".   Is he not correct? 

And he hasn't related or equate Satan Or the Devil at all to this serpent in the Garden. So, should he;  as you seem to have done.? And has Revelation appears to also do?
He's not a Christian, though. He thinks that all religions have some truth, but none are completely right. To him, anything can be metaphorical.
It would be nice to hear that it is "strong evidence"  from someone who believes they know more or better ,  SirAnonymous. 
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Could you rephrase that?
Are you a devout Christian, SirAnonymous ?
Yes.
and are you telling me that the serpent of the Garden is the Satan also known as the Devil?
Probably, or just a random snake that the devil was speaking through. Again, though, what's the point of this question?
And could you just clear up for me if or not the serpent/Satan Devil at Genesis 3:1 is the same serpent Satan Devil as the one cursed Genesis 3:14
Most of it was to Satan, but the part about crawling on the belly was probably for all snakes.
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@Greyparrot
Fine. You're a Nazi. Feel like arguing yet?
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@oromagi
That would be hilarious if we gave them a good 15-20 pages of politics to read. I get the feeling that Speed would either modkill us or delete all political posts, though.
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@TheRealNihilist
I'm in the don't know section. I only asked what the president would do, not expressed support.
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@Barney
@warren42
Get on here. You're 19 pages behind. If you wait any longer, it'll hit 30.

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@Lunatic
So now you're stuck in a game you can't win?
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@Singularity
Actually he could be scum partners with GP and pulled this gambit
No, it would be too risky. There are some TP roles like Survivor that would CC because it helps their wincon.

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Everyone unvote Grey. Lunatic just unwittingly town confirmed him.
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This explains the balance issue. GP being suicidal was to counterbalance Lunatic being a lyncher.
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Haha! This is so funny. Lunatic just pulled a brilliant gambit that worked, but he just lost because he didn't read the rules.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
There's something bothering me about you. This is going to sound weird, but what's bothering me is that you're town reading me. If your theory is right, then I should be a good suspect, especially given my abominable play at the beginning that influenced the lovers to claim.
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@Singularity
I reread Grey's posts, and you're right about how he's choosing his words. I felt like I was reading someone else's posts. Those weren't like Grey at all.
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@Singularity
His character is inherently scummy
There's no theme, so no character claim is scummy.
GP is scum. He is usually more direct with people who falsely scum read him. In previous games if you tell him he is scum, he comes after you. In this game, I call him scum and he avoids interactions with me.
This is a good point. However, it was night, so it's entirely possible he just wasn't awake. If he continues like this, it will be suspicious.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
What do you think of drafter's theory that scum are on GP's lynch?
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@Singularity
you will need the help of the scum team to secure it
There are seven town players other than you two, which is enough for a lynch without any scum. Getting them to agree on a lynch could be a problem, though. This DP seems to be well on its way to 30+ pages.

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@Singularity
If GP is hinting that he only full claims dp1 as town, he needs to be banned from future games. Manufacturing 100% accurate town tells is unfair. 
He does it as scum, too. No cause for a ban.

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@drafterman
@warren42
I'd forgotten that. Let's get him active, then. We need another good player to make some sense of this mess.
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@Bullish
I started rereading the DP, and I just caught this post from Bullish.
Let's claim which side of Captain America: Minor Airport Skirmish you're on.

I am on the side of cap.
Now he's saying that it is dumb and scummy to have thought that the theme was anything other than protagonists vs. antagonists. This particular post was right after vtl'ing GP over claiming the antagonist. Why, then, did he ask people to claim whether their character was affiliated with Cap or Iron Man?

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Care to explain?
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@Bullish
That's the wrong play because you're implying that all possibilities are equally likely, when there is 1 obvious possibility that is far more likely than all the other possibilities.
Cap vs. Iron Man was highly likely. No theme at all was highly likely. There was no one theme that was far more likely than all the others.

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@Singularity
 Also even on DP3, we still can't be sure because he already set up some bullshit reason for surviving,  by saying no ly a black man can save him or something
No, we can't be certain. However, I'd be willing to lynch him DP3 if he's still alive regardless. By that point, the odds would highly favor that it was a scum gambit.
Thinking of lynching you just for saying pie has good reads
In the Office mafia, he scum read all three mafia players in DP1 and was the only player to scum read Speed, who went on to survive seven DPs to win the game. In a QF, he was the only player to catch Lunatic's scumslips. He does have a history of accurate reads, even seeing through some of the best DART mafia players.
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@Singularity
Then sheep us, if you town read us.
I don't sheep people. It's an objectively bad way to play the game. The only exception to that is if I know for an absolute fact that they are town and I also know that they are good at reading people (for instance, I might sheep Pie if he was town-confirmed because he tends to be accurate in his reads). Even then, I would only sheep if I had no time to analyze the situation for myself.

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@Bullish
It's the the fact that she claimed, it's WHAT she claimed. I too by far the most reasonable guess of the theme at the time, that is bad = scum, so yes that's exactly why I said it was a scummy claim and the fact you still don't understand that means you had inside info before hand.
Or it just means I'm open to other possibilities and don't immediately jump to conclusions based on nothing.

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@Bullish
Because prior to speed revealing there is no thematic split it would have been by far the most reasonable assumption for Zemo to be mafia/TP.

Which is totally unreasonable hence why I FOS you.
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Protagonists vs. antagonists is only a reasonable possibility if you exclude every other possibility. For instance, a Cap vs. Iron Man split would be reasonable. Also, we knew that Speed didn't do a theme last time, so there was no reason to assume that there would be a theme at all. Your logic only makes sense if you exclude every other possibility, even though you have no reason to exclude them.
And idk if you've been explain this before but in a game of mafia everybody is GUILTY until proven innocent, and someone who's even 40% likely to be scum is more likely than average and thus is a good lynch target. So there would have been no reason for you to defend him unless you had inside knowledge.
Except for the simple reason that he will confirm himself as either town or scum within two DPs, so it is more reasonable to just wait until those odds increase to 90-100% and search for other likely scum in the meantime.
I just opened up DP1 of that game, speed says right in the OP that there are no villains, there is no theme split, and all the players are heroes.
Which didn't stop players from assuming that there would be a theme anyway.
He doesn't say that in the OP of this game. So in fact the absence of immediate clarification would have been evidence to the theory that there IS a thematic split this game.
Except that he is an inexperienced mod who is prone to making that kind of mistakes.

All of your logic here relies on throwing out every other possibility with no reason to do so.
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@Singularity
Why wait to lynch scum on DP3 when it can be done dp1? 
Because we can't be certain that he's scum. We can be certain by simply waiting.
Ask anybody why they would town read him, and you'll just get silence
Except for the extremely minor fact that DD just did a 3-4 paragraph analysis explaining why he town reads Grey and that drafter just explained why he thinks scumreading Grey based on balance is highly flawed, yes, you get silence - but only so long as you ignore the noise.
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@Singularity
My PM explicitly states supa as town. We can confirm each other.
So you're either both town or both scum. At the moment, I'm town reading the two of you because you seem to playing consistently with your regular play.

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@Discipulus_Didicit
Town Bullish comes in on post 61 and sees GP claimed a character that is an antagonist then votes for GP after thinking to himself "Yes, it makes sense that scum would claim their actual character under no pressure whatsoever and GP claimed an antagonist character so GP must be scum." This seems unlikely due to the fact that this line of thinking is retarded and Bullish is quite well known as a decent mafia player. Notice also how post 61 advocates for the DP to be as short as possible. Again, unlikely to come from someone known as a decent town player.
It doesn't look good for him, but it is consistent with his previous town play. Here's something he said in the South Park mafia.
Are  you defending drafterman? If so then you have employed a LOGICAL FALACY. Just because staring someone down is a lie tell, does not mean not having the balls to look me in the eye is NOT a lie tell.

From this I have determined that you and drafter are scum together. And the third scum on your team is Lunatic.
This was from Page 2 of DP1, and he was already sure he knew who the mafia was, but with even less logic than his read on GP this game.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Because what grey claimed was objectively scummy, and if you let scummers do scummy thinks and excuse it for "oh it's just retardation/WIFOM" then you're just letting scum get away with doing scummy things
You're not used to Grey's meta, are you? He always claims in his first few posts. I don't see anything scummy about him claiming. Also, how is it a scummy claim? Because you took a guess at the theme and he claimed a role that will be confirmed at the start of DP3?

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@Bullish
Ok and in this scenario where does that put Zemo? TP at BEST. always lynch TP.
Firstly, that was a possibility. I didn't know whether or not it was correct. Secondly, this goes beyond thematic analysis into mind-reading the mod. No, he would not have to be third party. Thirdly, why would you even bring this up after Speed already clarified that there is no thematic split?
And you had to think that these "other" thematic possibilities are VERY likely in order to just come out and defend Grey like that.
Or I could just think that no one possibility was more likely than another, so there was no thematic basis to use to reach conclusions about Grey's character (which is what I thought).
Yeah that's cause the word "heroes" is literally in the title of the game.
There's still an interesting contrast between this game and that one. In DP1 of the MCU Heroes mafia, several players assumed that the villains would be scum, until Speed clarified that there were no villains and no thematic split. Sounds familiar, no?
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@Stephen
In the book of Revelation, Satan is called “the ancient serpent” (Revelation 12:9, 20:2), is this referring to the snake in Genesis?
You have just answered your own question. But seriously, what do you mean "No One Can EVER Answer This Question Satisfactorily"? Pretty much every Christian everywhere thinks it was Satan, and you just provided strong evidence that they're right. 

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@Bullish
To begin with, you need to bold your votes.
This was before speed outed that there is no thematic split. Any sane person would have assumed that bad guys = scum, like the way it is in the vast majority of themed games where there is an obvious good vs evil split.
No, there are any number of possibilities, such as Cap-aligned heroes vs. Iron Man-aligned heroes. In Speed's earlier game (The MCU Heroes game DD linked), all the characters were heroes.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
That's a good analysis.
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@Bullish
I hate to use mod psych again on an inexperienced mod but grey is semi-confirmed, or else why would speed just come out and say "there's no theme split."
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Because he forgot to say it at the beginning of the DP. This is in no way mod confirmation. There were all sorts of possible themes other than just antagonists vs. protagonists.
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@drafterman
In situations like this, where there is some anti-utility role, scum is usually smart enough to realize that they have to be on that lynch otherwise they look scummy by comparison.

Consider just last game with oro as Turn Coat. Scum would have preferred oro stay alive so they can convert him, but being conspicuously not on his lynch would have been suspicious, so they pushed for his lynch to look town sided.

This is also the exact same scenario. It is a better guarantee that scum is on Grey's wagon than it is that Grey is scum himself.
Even though I was on the GP wagon and am consequently suspicious, this makes sense to me.
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@Singularity
If he's scum, he's not going anywhere. If he's still alive in DP3, we lynch him.
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@Speedrace
Your VC is wrong. I unvoted.
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