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@oromagi
Lover is not a particularly town claim:Lovers have been known to be of any alignment. It is not at all implausible to have Lovers in Town-scum pairs.Tragic Lovers are a rather annoying variant. One can be town aligned. The other can be scum aligned. Each lover can have two win conditions. It can win with its own alignment as its lover loses. Or they can win together, acting as their own faction eliminating all other scum and town players.
That's a good point.
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GP said what day he will die, so I'm inclined to wait to see whether or not he does then. Unvote
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Well, I have done more than enough damage with my stupidity for one night. I'll be back tomorrow.
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Oh, I see how I outed Supa and Singularity. I am an idiot. I panicked and wasn't thinking straight.
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@Vader
I misinterpreted what you were saying. My bad.I was saying thisA) Grey is scum, meaning game is pretty balancedorB) Grey is town and game is horribly balanced
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Ok, this point about the balancing makes sense. VTL Greyparrot
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@Vader
Balance!!! There is no way a role that can potentially kill 3 town on one night is in anyway, shape, or form balance. It could kill 4 at most if we have a vigil shoot someone. This is terrible balancing, and you seem to play it off as "bad play." Wtf am I supposed to do if people don't believe me.And right now we go into the DP if we die at 8v2 assuming no vig NK. This is extremely winnable
It wasn't a question of believing you. I thought you were trying to tell me that Speed had made a horribly balanced game.
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@Singularity
<br>Because of balance issues. You aren't going to disadvantage town with a dp that puts us a man down with the suicide, while a mislynch and an NK of a lover puts the town behind by 4 people immediately.
Okay, that makes sense. Thank you for explaining this instead of just insisting "Grey's scum!"
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@Vader
@Singularity
Firstly, I don't think it was wise to say that. Now scum knows not to bother NK'ing you, increasing their chances of taking out a PR. Secondly, that's just crazy. How can this game be balanced with 3 scum, 1 TP, a suicide, and a negative role? It's beginning to feel like Speed slapped this game together at the last minute without really thinking about it.
This is what I said before Supa started giving away his role. How does this in any way require you claiming? How is this outing lovers?
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@Singularity
It is also dumb to allow lovers to out themselves to prove a particular player is scum if you aren't even going to act on the information
Why on earth are you blaming me for this? How did I out lovers? How does outing yourselves as lovers prove he's scum? I don't understand what is going on right now.
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@Vader
I wouldn't have if you just believed what I had to say and listened to the argument
Did you seriously think that I was having problems believing it was this unbalanced? I said, "I can't believe this." That is one of the most common exaggerated expressions meant to show surprise and astonishment and isn't to be taken literally.
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@Singularity
What is the reasoning behind lynching GP? We can't be sure he's scum. Furthermore, if he's lying, we will know for 100% fact. On the other hand, though, if he's telling the truth, vtl'ing him is essentially a vtnl since he'll die anyway, so it wouldn't do too much harm.
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@Vader
You came out and told scum that there was a way for them to kill 2 town at the same time. That was dumb. I'm sorry, but that was not a good idea.This isn't my fault buddy. I just hinted that it is impossible game is this inbalanced
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@ILikePie5
Ok, I didn't think of that. That's a good point. However, since when does GP do gambits?The odd possibility that he’s a cop and purposefully doing this to avoid being killed because he’s going to be killed anyways.
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@Singularity
Are you out of your mind? Why are you claiming? If both of you are town, then scum will target you for the NK and we'll lose two players instead of one.Because he has a variation of the lover role and I am his lover. Don't even care if I admit this because we caught scum early enough to overcome the disadvantage
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@ILikePie5
How does WIFOM play into this? Either he tells the truth and he's town, or he lies and we lynch him because he didn't die.I disagree, WIFOM
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Stop blabbing out your roles, people. Seriously.
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@Greyparrot
I would. I don't see how knowing that can help scum at all, but it will help town.Do you want to know the day I kill myself?
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@Vader
Grey does that sometimes. It is too outlandish with my role. Did you read it? If this player dies, I die in the night as well ____
You should not have revealed that. However, this is just beyond ridiculous. If GP dies somewhere in the first two DPs and the mafia or our lynch hits the player who you die with, and then we mislynch next DP, then we can lose 6 players in two DPs and lose the game. I just can't believe this.
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@ILikePie5
A suicidal player dies after a certain point. Nothing can stop them from dying.
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@Vader
Grey's role puts town too much at a disadvantage this game to even remotely be a town role. Grey is scum
What scum in their right minds would claim suicidal? It's pretty much the worst possible fake claim because everyone would know that you're scum if you don't die after a certain point. It's a guaranteed way to confirm yourself as scum.
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@Speedrace
THERE IS NO THEME SPLITMy bad
Ok.
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@Vader
My role already puts us at a disadvantage
Firstly, I don't think it was wise to say that. Now scum knows not to bother NK'ing you, increasing their chances of taking out a PR. Secondly, that's just crazy. How can this game be balanced with 3 scum, 1 TP, a suicide, and a negative role? It's beginning to feel like Speed slapped this game together at the last minute without really thinking about it.
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@Vader
Also, if it's a fake claim, what mafia in their right mind would claim the antagonist? I suppose it could still be WIFOM, though.
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@Vader
Oh, ok.I mean length wise
Wait I just realized something. If your suicidal, how do you win with town?
A suicidal role means that the player dies at a certain point in the game, so it can be town. It just puts town at an even greater disadvantage than we were already at with 3 mafia and 1 TP. If GP's telling the truth, then town must be loaded with power roles in order to balance this game.
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@Vader
You picked the 49ers; I picked the Chiefs. May the best knight win!
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@Bullish
Shouldn't we discuss this kind of thing before just going out and revealing important info about our characters? I'm not saying you're wrong. I just think it might be a good idea to discuss whether or not this is a good idea first.Let's claim which side of Captain America: Minor Airport Skirmish you're on.I am on the side of cap.
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@Bullish
No, antagonist doesn't have to be scum. In any case, lynching Grey is a waste of time. If he's suicidal, he'll take care of himself. If he's not, we'll know shortly.
On a different note, do you (or anyone else) think its a good idea to ask Grey when he will die? I think that would be useful.
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@ILikePie5
Ok. That makes sense.Very rarely actually. Just a precaution I like to take to put people on the record so they can’t scummily last minute vote. My last proxy from what I recall was Club
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@Vader
What do you mean? Drafter's justifications last game were spot on. You and speed were able to successfully predict what roles the characters would have (or at least the type of role).Interesting, but I don't know, that seems like a drafter type justification. Speed would put a lot of effort into it
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@Vader
I'm not sure the theme would actually be protagonists vs. antagonists. While that is the most obvious, there are other themes that could be done.
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@ILikePie5
How frequently is it necessary to resort to a proxy lynch? A random vtl doesn't seem like a good strategy. Of course, we would gain info, but I'd prefer to avoid a random lynch if possible.
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As I said, I haven't seen the movie, so I'll have to rely on others for some parts of the theme. Does anyone else agree with Supa on this?Helmut Zemo is also the main antagonist now too, the more I'm reading the more I am starting to hate this. How can one small ending of the character near the end literally be your justification to your entire role
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@ILikePie5
Well, if there's no good lynch options, I would vtl whoever was inactive.
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@ILikePie5
What do you mean by proxy vote?
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Who's Helmut Zemo? I've seen the Avengers movies, but I haven't seen Civil War yet. (I know, I know, I'm watching them out of order).
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@WaterPhoenix
I think Supa is town reading Grey because he always starts by claiming when he's town. I don't think it's a good reason, though, because Grey has done it as mafia as well.
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Three mafia and a third party? I hope we can joint win the the third party, or town could be at a serious disadvantage.
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@Imabench
You could be right. I think that Warren was going down anyway, though.
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@Alec
Hong Kong should be independent, but I've got to agree with HistoryBuff and TheDredPirateRoberts here. China will never give them up, and no one will stop them because it would start WWIII.
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@HistoryBuff
I'm not a Bernie fan, but I agree with you here. This was a low move from Hillary. Ever since she lost the election, she's spent her time blaming everyone other than herself. But not only is she a sore loser regarding the election, she has also proved that she's a sore winner regarding the primary.
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@Mopac
I'd forgotten that. However, that's just more proof that Republican Emperors are great and Democrat Emperors aren't.
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@Mopac
I know that. However, a TRUE Trump fan isn't bothered by such details.
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@ethang5
I already know how I'm going to do that. Stay tuned!Know what I'd love to see you write? A conversation between a right wing ultra conservative nut job, and an ultra left liberal progressive snowflake.
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@Vader
It would have been a dumb thing to do, but we were too lazy to find an alternate explanation.Why would I pull that gambit as mafia when I was already setup to win. It is a dumb gambit and it's a dumb gambit to pull off
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Thanks, but you should probably tag Disc if you find him funny as well.
And yes, funniness is a word.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Thanks! I plan to jump around from one time period to another rather than go chronologically.
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@Speedrace
For sheer lack of competition, yes.
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@Vader
No, he killed someone who, to the best of our knowledge, had lied.Zaradi is made a terrible mistake in doing that with basically killing the only protective role. Ugh so annoying
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